Boycott CNN! (Exposing the Hidden Political Propaganda Machine Behind the Media) (3718 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-16 14:31:28 EDT
CNN, Cable News Network, has shown more and more of late its unwillingness to bring the American people the actual news, instead choosing to print and report fallacious attacks exclusively directed at the political psyche of the American people. They have, again and again, proved their usefulness as a 'credible' news source in serving up agenda-driven propaganda pieces that amount to little more than direct quotes from right-wing think tanks with little, if any, rebuttal from the opposing side of the issue.
Just as in the days leading up the Iraq war, CNN is once again at the forefront in preparing the minds of the unsuspecting Americans for a possible overseas invasion or air strike on an 'enemy' that is operating perfectly within its rights as a soveriegn nation. It is poised to capitalize on yet another news-generating, fear-based bruhaha with Iran.
Here is one good example I came across today. This is a 'news story' outlining the recruitment of suicide bombers and nuclear facilities expansion by the Iranian government.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/16/iran.wrapup.reut/index.html
The entire article hinges on combining a report by The Institute for Science and International Security, with a statement by some guy named Mohammad Ali Samadi, who is supposedly the spokesman for the Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign (seems a little convenient to have such a committee). The ISIS report uses commercially available satellite images of developing nuclear facilities to draw conclusions about the Iranian intentions, and the statement by this Mohammad Ali Samadi character outline his organization's martyr-recruiting activites in the wake of the possible threat of U.S. and Israeli strikes against Iran: "Some 200 people have registered to carry out operations against our enemies. America and Britain are definitely considered enemies," he says.
A quick google search for this Samadi character reveals this isn't the first time he's issued such a neat, convenient statement of intent from a 'suicide bomber organization'. The following quote is from June of 2004, "Some 10,000 people have registered their names to carry out martyrdom operations on our defined targets... Our targets are mainly the occupying American and British forces in the holy Iraqi cities, all the Zionists in Palestine, and Salman Rushdie."
That quote was used by a variety of sources to justify pressing on with the stated aim of wiping terrorism out through the battleground of Iraq.
One of those sources is the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies: http://www.defenddemocracy.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=317517
A quick perusal of their stated aim should reveal its leanings:
"""The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) is the only nonpartisan policy institute dedicated exclusively to promoting pluralism, defending democratic values, and fighting the ideologies that drive terrorism.
FDD was founded shortly after 9/11 by a group of visionary philanthropists and policymakers to engage in the worldwide war of ideas and to support the defense of democratic societies under assault by terrorism and Militant Islamism.
FDD uniquely combines policy research, democracy training, strategic communications, and investigative journalism. We focus our efforts where opinions are formed and, ultimately, where the war of ideas will be won or lost: in the media, on college campuses, and in the policy community, at home and abroad."""
The quote was also used in an article by World Net Daily: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38895
A quick perusal of their 'commentary' section to the right reveals which side their on as well:
"""Commentary
Another fishy missing link
- By Joseph Farah
Easter Alien
- By Pat Boone
Ex-'gays': Ignored and discounted
- By Jerry Falwell
Rebutting Darwinists
- By Ted Byfield
Will your kids be named Dhimmi?
- By Henry Lamb
What do you live for?
- By Greg Laurie
A cardinal cheers on lawbreakers
- By Les Kinsolving
Busting empty bunkers
- By Gordon Prather
Where's the respect for law?
- By Alan Keyes
The generals' revolt
- By Pat Buchanan"""
Pat Boone, Jerry Falwell, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchanan... Yes, this is a perfectly centrist organization, let me tell ya. In case you don't know who these people are, I invite you to google search for some of their more outlandish quotations and be amused at the general stupidity of which the human mind is capable.
But it doesn't stop there... In big letters at the top of the article to which I just linked you, you will note a link to an affiliated Insight Magazine (yet another Christian-right, think-tank, pundit-haven posing as a 'news' organization). http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/Default.asp
According to their "About Us" page, Insight features "commentary by renowned pundits such as Wesley Pruden, Mark Steyn, John O'Sullivan, Michael Barone, Rich Lowry, John Leo and others."
Wesley Pruden, according to Wikipedia, has close ties to neo-Confederate organizations like the United Daughters of the Confederacy, and his father was a staunch opponent of racial integration in schools. Not to hold a person responsible for the sins of the father, but it kinda says a lot.
On the Editorial Advisory Board of Insight is one Herbert I. London, who is also the President of the Hudson Institute, an ultra conservative think-tank featureing I. Lewis Scooter Libby as one of its senior advisors, according to Sourcewatch. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
Feel free to google the other names in that list and peruse the sourcewatch information and it will become clear where the agendas of Insight Magazine and Hudson Institute lie.
Now, let's get back to The Institute for Science and International Security for a moment and take this another direction... Let's look at who heads up the organization, David Albright. According to Sourcewatch - a website dedicated to keeping tabs on who runs and funds these 'think tanks' - Mr. Albright not only chairs ISIS, but is also involved with the Iraq Policy Information Project. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Albright
And what is IPIP? That's right, it's yet another conservative think tank. This one, however, is dedicated to controlling the public opinion of the debate over the Iraq war using concentrated PR as its weapon of choice and the media as its battleground.
These are the really scary folks, in my opinion, because they have websites that look like this: http://www.iraqpolicy.com/do/Home
Notice the dove symbolism. Peace right? Notice the hand-holding with the child on a sunny day. Innocence right? Well, read the text below that and decide for yourself if peace is really on the minds of these people. They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
"""Grassroots.org believes in peace. And we know that peace can not be achieved if ones people are under attack. In the world struggle against radical Muslim groups we believe in peace by dismantling these terrorist organizations, due to their callous attitudes toward human life."""
This recalls the infamous "WAR IS PEACE" motto of the ruling party in George Orwell's 1984, as well as echoing George Bush's own words when he stated flatly: "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
There has been much talk and debate about the nature of 'credible' news sources of late. It's a sad fact that, in this climate of paranoia and fear generated by the convenient, never-ending, "global war on terror", and the resulting political schism between left and right-leaning ideologies, there are few, if any, truly credible news sources left, or if there are, they are so overshadowed by the mountains of non-credible or straw-man sources so as to be rendered obsolete.
It is a common practice these days that news organizations - out of a stated need for expediency or a general laziness - will use quotes passed off as truth from political pundits in think-tank organizations with little background given to the consumer of the news.
In this way, think-tanks have successfully blurred the lines of politics and media to such an extent that even the most visible media outlets such as CNN are severely compromised in their journalistic integrity. This is why I say that unless we are prepared to do our own research legwork as consumers of the news, we boycott such outlets as CNN as being unreliable and biased.
It is only through complete transparency that journalistic integrity is upheld, and CNN, through its close association with think-tank punditry, seems to have abandoned the high road.
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-16 13:56:43 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html
Submitted by Doodies (user info) at 2006-04-25 20:50:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-21 21:31:26 EDT (#)
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One word...or rather, one acronym: IRA.
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Interest-Free Retirement Account?
What the duece?
Yes, I'm fucking around.
Submitted by OrganicBuddha (user info) at 2006-04-20 09:10:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-20 02:06:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-19 22:18:51 (#)
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They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
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I didn't realize "history" was "mythology".
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One word...or rather, one acronym: IRA.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-19 22:18:51 EDT (#)
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They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
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I didn't realize "history" was "mythology".
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-19 13:05:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-19 07:01:21 (#)
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That whole "Israel should be wiped off the map" thing is a stretch. I just read an article about what was said and the translation was "As the Imam said, the Occupier regime of al-Qods [Defenders of Palestine/Israel/Holy Land/whatever you call it] must be wiped off the map".
"The Occupier Regime"... That may be the Israeli government, that may be the Zionist movement, but it doesn't mean the nation of Israel.
This was a Turkish article.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1805
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What? So it refers to the people that live there, but not the actual nation? They're the same thing. You can't have a nation without people.
Are you stoned?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-19 11:42:24 EDT (#)
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since you're a victim of the Internet vultures: -2
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-19 08:43:08 EDT (#)
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Still waiting on ETS' super duper "better government"...
I can't tap my toe in anticipation for much longer without getting a serious cramp in my calf.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-19 07:01:21 EDT (#)
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That whole "Israel should be wiped off the map" thing is a stretch. I just read an article about what was said and the translation was "As the Imam said, the Occupier regime of al-Qods [Defenders of Palestine/Israel/Holy Land/whatever you call it] must be wiped off the map".
"The Occupier Regime"... That may be the Israeli government, that may be the Zionist movement, but it doesn't mean the nation of Israel.
This was a Turkish article.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1805
Submitted by r0fl (user info) at 2006-04-18 23:13:16 EDT (#)
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I think you're all Method.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:49:31 EDT (#)
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I does sound like his reaction to most.
But me, especially.
I've asked him to clarify something like 5 points, and all I get are more -2's on my posts.
21 and counting.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:22:31 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564 -- oh and check out his recent replies on this post. i tried to show him what an 'academic' argument should look like.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:21:36 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86758 -- here you go jay. and he was talking about me, woody just responded. but i reckon his opinion doesn't differ much from me to you or really any other logical thinker.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:11:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:52:19 (#)
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Aw, ETS...
That's 21, I'm sobbing.
Really.
You're just pathetic.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:01:09 EDT (#)
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Or he could have been talking about you.
In that case, nevermind.
but he should still nut up and do something.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 21:59:29 EDT (#)
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DC, just because I didn't read the 100 or so reviews between mine from Sunday night/Monday morning and today, is he talking about me there?
He's right, after about the first 3-4 paragraphs, I stop reading, because my head hurts.
I still want him to tell us what HIS idea for a perfect government is.
Shit, I'll settle for just federal, too.
But he won't do it, because he can point out things, and make opinions, and rip things to pieces, but he can not offer a single constructive paragraph about anything.
Like I said, it's easy to rip and moan and groan and cry that the sky is falling, it's hard to help prop it up.
At least *I* can point to actions and say "I am doing my part to make the situation better"
I work with the Colorado Democratic Party 10 hours a week from December to July, and 20 hours a week from August to November. I moderate and observe one study outreach a month, with groups of people ranging from the GLBT community to the Denver Police Unions to retirement homes.
I am a community G.O.T.V. co-ordinator, and yes, I register Democrats and Republicans and Independents.
I was a fundraiser for Sen. Ken Salazar last election cycle.
Last year, I helped to organize and oversee four signature petitions to get issues on the City of Denver ballot (decriminalization of pot, and three laws that slow the T.A.B.O.R. amendment.)
basically, I am telling him to nut up and do something, instead of sitting around bitching.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-04-18 21:56:18 EDT (#)
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Was it A or was it B, or was it X or Z?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 19:30:40 EDT (#)
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"His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it"
Okay that does it, even if you completely change you're still not coming in my commune.
You are a FUCKING RETARD. That is just name calling but what?
You expect me to try and back it up? You can't even follow simple logic that tends to click in to place in humans at around the age of 5 and allows them to start having conversations rather than just shouting 'wanna bickie' over and over and over again.
You are to goddamn stupid to understand concepts drummed into little kids such as 'just becasue someone else does something doesn't make it ok'.
I am no longer going to contribute towards your posts, even though it sometimes amuses me, because you're to dumb to talk to.
Submitted by Tyrone_Washington (user info) at 2006-04-18 17:26:43 EDT (#)
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Maybe they do, but what the hell are you going to do about it.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:23:48 EDT (#)
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You a fark.com reader, too?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:18:44 EDT (#)
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Holy shit jay, that's creepy.
Uhhh.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:18:01 EDT (#)
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Check this out. Some guy tagged air force one and now thinks he's a hero.
http://www.stillfree.com/
"I thought spraypainting the president's plane would be a great way to open a dialogue"
Heh.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:14:33 EDT (#)
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http://www.stillfree.com/
If this is real, this is hilarious.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:08:24 EDT (#)
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Jesus, I've seen shit fights at the zoo more organized than this guys posts
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 15:58:22 EDT (#)
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Did ETA just say a cold war is better than a hot one?
AND THIS IS THE MAN AGAINST ALL SORTS OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND WASTE???
Dude... That's funny.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:58:21 EDT (#)
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no, it's not. fewer bullets, possibly less death, but far more damage, and all in the name of cowardice. we're still living through the effects of the last one, and that ended over 15 years ago. i'm off, seeya later
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:55:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:43:28 (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 (#)
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'It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.'
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see."
well it's good you'll never amount to anything of significance, since this is exactly how the Cold War was orchestrated.
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A cold war is better than a hot one.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:49:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:34:23 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
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No they are not. They are based on mathematical LAWS. Which are not up for debate. We're not talking about theories.
You can't make up your own reality...
...hmmmm, may have stumbled upon something here.
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You can't make your own reality. You can't escape the modes of logic....UNLESS you do not accept the premises upon which that logic is based. Logic is a castle in the air, supported by nothing more than assumption.
HOWEVER, if you choose to work within the confines of logic, then a problem like the one you previously presented can be solved in multiple ways if the premises upon which the problem is based only call for any logical solution and fail to stipulate, as you did, that only one particular kind of solution is sought, or that such solution is based on a particular mathematical function that determines the value of the difference between each successive number.
Otherwise, I could 'logically' conclude that the answer could be based on the particuar relationship of the shapes involved in the numbers themselves (i.e. straight lines or curved lines), or I could attach some historical significance to the numbers like how many home runs a particular baseball player hit during his career (i.e. Joe Shmoe hit 1,4,9,16, and 25 home runs respectively in his first 5 seasons playing baseball). If Joe Shmoe hit 3 home runs the following year, then one possible answer to you question of pattern would be '3'.
If you're going to tout the virtues of logic, you have to understand it enough to know where it comes from and how it operates. You can't lay out a problem like the one you gave without stipulating the type of answer you're looking for, or precisely how such an answer should be arrive at.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:46:09 EDT (#)
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He still going on an on about this?
OHS NOES! I -2'D HIM AGAIN!
I SHALL BE -2BOMBED TO HELL AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
OHS NOES WHOA IS ME!
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:43:28 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 (#)
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'It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.'
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see."
well it's good you'll never amount to anything of significance, since this is exactly how the Cold War was orchestrated.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:41:01 EDT (#)
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you still have failed to acknowledge my point about how a few posts ago i did nothing but +2 you and you still went back and -2ed my posts.
oh, and your comments on my patriot act post are completely absurd. once again you left the argument when i pointed out that you were retarded. well that, and the fact that you were -2ing it made you a hyppocrit.
and you still have yet to make any sense on your numbers argument.
what does all this mean? you're a lot of fun to argue with because there really is no telling what is going to happen next.
thanks chucko.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:39:14 EDT (#)
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"The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms."
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that quote can be heard in the opening credits for a tv show called numbers.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:18:21 (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
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The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it."
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do you really not see the problem here? seriously? or are you just ignoring/justifying it through the usual mumbo-jumbo?
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:34:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
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No they are not. They are based on mathematical LAWS. Which are not up for debate. We're not talking about theories.
You can't make up your own reality...
...hmmmm, may have stumbled upon something here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:24:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:16:24 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
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i watch that show numbers too. even though its on friday nights at 10. so what? i'm tired on fridays! i could go out if i wanted!!
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I don't know what you're talking about.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:18:21 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
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The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it."
do you really not see the problem here? seriously? or are you just ignoring/justifying it through the usual mumbo-jumbo?
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:16:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
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i watch that show numbers too. even though its on friday nights at 10. so what? i'm tired on fridays! i could go out if i wanted!!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:09:08 EDT (#)
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you just proved what we've been telling you: math isn't logic. it's based on the same principles, yes. but it isn't logic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 EDT (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 EDT (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
Any function of logic is inherently a function of math.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:48:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:37:56 (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 (#)
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
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If you're talking about patterns or code-breaking, you're using inductive reasoning, and multiple correct answers are possible. So, yes, if 3 was logical and I could make a case for it, there are no premises forbidding me from doing so.
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once again, you completely disregard the fact that we've shown you how math is not logic, but that it is 'logical.' fuck, you've even used the term in your response. what do you have to say to that? remember, points for creativity!!!
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:47:08 EDT (#)
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*shakes head*
you completely missed the point.
And 3 can never be an answer with those numbers, only 36.
But if you want to argue about, feel free.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:44:59 EDT (#)
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ok, he's just getting ri-goddamm-diculous now
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:43:31 EDT (#)
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hahahahahhahaha.... holy shit....
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:37:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 (#)
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
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If you're talking about patterns or code-breaking, you're using inductive reasoning, and multiple correct answers are possible. So, yes, if 3 was logical and I could make a case for it, there are no premises forbidding me from doing so.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:35:47 EDT (#)
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OMG I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:50:19 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 (#)
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No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
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okay, clearly you are hanging onto reality by a very thin thread. math is not logic. it relies on logic, on givens and expected interpretations, but it is not logic. Things like Boolean algebra rely on logic to form valid premises and turn those into sound conclusions. Boolean algebra and things of this nature, however, require that one does not pull data out of context to mean something it does not. which is readily apparent to even method, a casual observer.
are you seeing how you look like a retard to everyone else? i'm not great at explaining things to morons, but i'm trying to break this down into terms you can understand. anyone else have a better way of helping our friend ets out? i know my limitations...
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:09:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564#1248870 -- there's my works cited.
hahaha... momma's boy? coming from the guy that lives in his parent's closet? okay, fine by me.
you're right, i can't afford to shell out the 33,000 dollars a year it costs to go to my college. fuck, i'm such a failure. although, i'm taking out my own loans and paying my parents back the rest when i get a 'real' job as you call it.
what's your profession again? right now i'm coaching two youth soccer teams and taking a full course load. oh, and i volunteer at various university charity events. and i pay my taxes. i know, i'm sure it isn't enough for someone as tight as you, but i'm doing my best.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:00:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Method: dictators don't give choices. They just kill first and ask questions later. My rule will be far more benevolent than that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:59:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:55:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
but seriously, please spare me the 'real world' lectures. you're the last person i would consider to be an authority on the subject.
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Says the momma's boy whose parents are paying for his college and doesn't have a real job.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:56:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
OMG!! REAL WORLD HOUSTON IS THE BOMB!!!! LOL!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:55:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:46:20 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's Wardy's choice what he wants to do. That's not childish, Method; that's the way the real world works!
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAH... what could you possibly know about the real world? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A REAL PERSON!!! this is like santa claus trying to tell me what it's like in the north pole.
but seriously, please spare me the 'real world' lectures. you're the last person i would consider to be an authority on the subject.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
or so it seems
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ets is a fuckin nutjob
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
wardy is okay too
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
method makes me happy
Submitted by Zol (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:53:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WHY? AGAIN
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:52:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So, Hitler Jr., if someone doesn't agree with you, they shall be persecuted, is that how it goes?
Your word is the law, and anyone who says otherwise shall suffer your wrath?
hoooooooo-boy, that thar is some mighty good logic, let me tell you
You sound like an up and coming dictator with delusions of grandeur. Really makes me want to follow you and agree with everything you say!
ETS LOGIC:
Anyone that has a differing opinion than me is wrong. Therefore, logically, EVERYTHING I say is the truth, and I am infallible.
ETS is infallible.
God is infallible.
You are God.
that about sum up what goes on in your head?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:50:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 (#)
Ranking: 0
No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
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okay, clearly you are hanging onto reality by a very thin thread. math is not logic. it relies on logic, on givens and expected interpretations, but it is not logic. Things like Boolean algebra rely on logic to form valid premises and turn those into sound conclusions. Boolean algebra and things of this nature, however, require that one does not pull data out of context to mean something it does not. which is readily apparent to even method, a casual observer.
are you seeing how you look like a retard to everyone else? i'm not great at explaining things to morons, but i'm trying to break this down into terms you can understand. anyone else have a better way of helping our friend ets out? i know my limitations...
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:49:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WTF, I'm not reading all that...
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:47:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ets is freaking me out, man.
Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:46:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Your argument is moot, Method.
I have given my ultimatum NUMEROUS times to certain individuals. I give it because reasoned arguments will not thwart their onslaught of mindlessness, so I offer them a very clear choice: start being reasonable and quit following me around and bashing me, or I will return the favor sevenfold.
It's Wardy's choice what he wants to do. That's not childish, Method; that's the way the real world works!
In fact, he's lucky to even have a choice.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:37:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm done arguing with you, you've proven in the past that you are an absolutely worthless, stubborn moron and there is no point arguing with you, regardless of the facts set in front of you.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Let me break it down for you, dipshit.
You post something. Wardy disagrees. He -2's you. It doesn't matter if he -2's you 5000 times on that post, the rating stays the same. You post something else. He disagrees again. -2 again. Fair enough. If you're going to post something, you should expect that NOT EVERYONE will agree with you.
In retaliation, you go back and -2 30 of his old posts that had nothing to do with you or your latest post, nor were they offensive, nor was there any reason for you to -2 them aside from spite and childish revenge. You do the same to me. You do the same to Jgreening. Then you bust out the alter, which I know has been banned now, and do the same.
TELL ME, OH WISE AND LOGICAL ONE, HOW IS THAT THE SAME?
-2ING A FRESH POST ON THE FRONT PAGE AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE POST WITH AN ARGUMENT, IS THE SAME AS GOING BACK AND -2ING THAT GUYS POSTS 30 TIMES????????
AM I TAKING THE CRAZY PILLS? WHAT THE FUCK IS IN THE WATER DOWN THERE??? GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:33:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
your overall rating of me is -1 because some of my posts you've already given me +2's on before, so the average becomes zero on those. simple math would show that this is the case on about half of the posts you've gone back recently to -2. see how that works? good.
i read all your posts and rate them accordingly. for a few of your recent posts i only gave you +2's to see if it would change your attitude and keep you from -2ing some of my old posts. did it work? no. why? because you're a little girl.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:33:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
Ranking: 0
His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically
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Did you just say someone else doesn't have the capacity to think critically?
ha
HA
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:17:12 (#)
Ranking: -2
That's bullshit, ETS, if wardy had made as many shit stirring posts as you do, you'd have rated his stuff alot more. Those 30 or so reviews on his posts are straight -2's that you've given him on his posts solely as retaliation BECAUSE HE DISAGREES WITH YOU.
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If they were straight -2s, my overall rating of him wouldn't be just -1, now, would it?
And what the fuck is your point busting out the ratings I've given you? That only helps my point.
The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:28:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
actually scratch that last one
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:20:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
And if you'll notice, asshole, my overall ratings of your posts is higher than your overall ratings of my posts, so don't even try and pull that shit - if you're going to use numbers and "logic", don't pick and choose what you're going to use. We have access to the same information that you do.
I misread it
smooches, you dumb shit!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:23:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You want a perfect analogy of what I'm talking about?
Go look at this post.
http://ubersite.com/m/69629
now tell me what's wrong with it.
That's EXACTLY what you do, ALL THE TIME.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:22:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:16:43 (#)
Ranking: 0
And you call this vapid review logic?
Where's the 'logic'?
That's right, it was in MY review with the math.
Because math=logic
If you think you have an issue with me, email Bart about it like that pussy, jason greening. See what he says about it.
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haha, yeah method pretty much already said it, but this is too good to pass up. math does not equal logic, it follows logic. holy shit, i'm actually at a loss of how to explain this to you in terms you might actually understand. are you really this dumb? seriously?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:20:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
And if you'll notice, asshole, my overall ratings of your posts is higher than your overall ratings of my posts, so don't even try and pull that shit - if you're going to use numbers and "logic", don't pick and choose what you're going to use. We have access to the same information that you do.
The trap is sprung, indeed. You fucking loser.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:17:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
That's bullshit, ETS, if wardy had made as many shit stirring posts as you do, you'd have rated his stuff alot more. Those 30 or so reviews on his posts are straight -2's that you've given him on his posts solely as retaliation BECAUSE HE DISAGREES WITH YOU. His total number of reviews are higher because he responds to your posts multiple times.
WE WON'T GET INTO THE -2'S YOU'VE GIVEN MYSELF AND WARDY AS YOUR ALTER VENGEANCE, AMONGST OTHERS. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT ONE AS A FREEBIE
How method has rated:
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -148 on 197 = -0.75
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated
Method (user info) -9 on 100 = -0.09
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -56 on 3202 = -0.02
ONCE AGAIN, YOU PICK AND CHOOSE THE INFORMATION YOU WANT TO DISSEMINATE, AND IGNORE THE REST, YOU PIECE OF SHIT. GO FUCK YOURSELF, ASSHOLE, NO ONE FALLS FOR YOUR BULLSHIT
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:16:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:05:15 (#)
Ranking: -2
the fact of the matter is the manner in which you rate my posts, dumbass. surely they teach common sense where you go... wait... where you're from? i don't even know, clearly it doesn't matter. trying to use reason and logic with you is pointless...
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And you call this vapid review logic?
Where's the 'logic'?
That's right, it was in MY review with the math.
Because math=logic
If you think you have an issue with me, email Bart about it like that pussy, jason greening. See what he says about it.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:05:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
the fact of the matter is the manner in which you rate my posts, dumbass. surely they teach common sense where you go... wait... where you're from? i don't even know, clearly it doesn't matter. trying to use reason and logic with you is pointless...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 11:56:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:45:59 (#)
Ranking: -2
for -2ing all of my posts and numerous other users as well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *The trap is SRUNG!*
I haven't -2d all your posts. In fact, I barely even RATED a FRACTION of your posts:
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated other users
wardy (user info) -39 on 38 = -1.03 <-------------------38 Reviews
Everything you ever wanted to know about wardy
User id: 3889
Registered on or around: 2003-11-26 01:07:58
# Messages posted: 217 <---------------------------------217 Posts
# Reviews written: 3780
# Times these posts have been reviewed : 4506
# Hits: 181104
Average rating of all messages: 0.97
Now, let's look at how you rate me, shall we?
How other users have rated electrictoothsyndrome
wardy (user info) -30 on 270 = -0.11 <------------------270 Reviews
Everything you ever wanted to know about electrictoothsyndrome
User id: 8892
Registered on or around: 2004-05-24 22:55:07
# Messages posted: 271 <-------------------------------------271 Posts
# Reviews written: 9621
# Times these posts have been reviewed : 15049
# Hits: 317221
Average rating of all messages: 1.02
So, I hardly think I'm hounding you, treating you unfairly, or "-2ing all your posts", as you say.
Surely they teach basic math classes at that university you seem to be so PROUD of. It's about time you enroll in some.
PS: my overall rating of your posts basically reflects how I feel about you, Wardy, "I've seen better".
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 11:52:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564 -- this is how you write an argument, retard.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:45:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
for -2ing all of my posts and numerous other users as well.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:14:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:18:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
i hope you get banned.
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hahahahaha
For what?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 08:22:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:52:45 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
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Hes a real person for fucks sake, hundreds upon hundreds of people have seen him, he fought against the russians...tried to organise a Jihad against Saddam Hussein...sound familiar.
No 'propaganda machine' controls everything. There is no way Bin Laden could possibly be a fake person and I seriously doubt that the first video was 'prooved' to be a different person.
Wheres your proof.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 08:06:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 (#)
Ranking: -2
hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
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In the spirit of patriotism I'm forced to inform you that it was a British teacher who had been to Ganjistan that pointed out that he could tell where it was filmed to about 50 miles.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-18 04:41:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Fuck
This
Kid
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:18:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
i hope you get banned.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:03:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:57:38 (#)
Ranking: 2
in all reality, I only give this because the author said he revels in negative ratings.
oh yeah, that and I agree on the whole "far right think tanks are full of self righteous assholes who only want to establish a theocracy in the united states"
maybe that's not what he said, but he did mention think tanks....
right?
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Hey....
Talk to me for a second. Don't talk to them.
This is what makes all the difference.
Do you that what I've written here is true?
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:57:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
in all reality, I only give this because the author said he revels in negative ratings.
oh yeah, that and I agree on the whole "far right think tanks are full of self righteous assholes who only want to establish a theocracy in the united states"
maybe that's not what he said, but he did mention think tanks....
right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:40:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
At this point, I have learned to revel in negative ratings. They are my life-blood. Without them, I am just another cow in a herd. I hope one day you will all see it. For those that do, I only hope you vote - because, who knows, I could be wrong and this might not resort to blows.
I hope.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-04-17 22:21:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
cinder calhoun
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-04-17 19:00:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:12:47 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
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Why? Because it's the only thing in life you'll ever win, including a debate with me.
Off you go. """
you fucking loser.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:52:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
sorry doom code, i'll stop.
and sorry filthy for sounding like an ass just then, i'm more worried about ets and whatever grand plans he'd have for the use of such information. i go to a very good university (which is interchangable with your universities, we have two year colleges as well, but those are usually called 'community colleges' or 'tech schools') but nothing along the lines of ivy league. but yeah, i hope that answers your question.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:47:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:33:44 (#)
Ranking: -2
filthy, i'm in college. you don't need to know which one.
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Over here college is somewhere you go for two years before university. Are the two terms interchangeable in the states?
Why so defensive about giving me the name? It's not like I could or would want to put the information to any devious use. I'm just curious dude - you seem to bring up the fact that you've done nothing but write papers for four years a lot, and throw around a lot of criticism of people who only have a highschool education, so I figured you went to some ivy league major kudos place.
I'll give you the name of mine if you like.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:37:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:33:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
filthy, i'm in college. you don't need to know which one. ets, i'm not going to waste my time with you anymore. all of your arguments end up circular because you never end up answering any of the gaping holes that are poked into them. keep thinking you're tight, it seems like it's gotten you real far in life.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:12:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
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Why? Because it's the only thing in life you'll ever win, including a debate with me.
Off you go.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No, the question is the thing with the question mark after it. Clues in the name, you know.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:32 (#)
Ranking: 2
...I was under the impression you were at university.
You are, aren't you? Or have I just made that up? Which one?....
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:08:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
opinion and thesis are practically interchangable, especially in the manner that ets presents them.
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Prove it.
Again, where are you getting all these absurd opinions?!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:10:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:02:18 (#)
Ranking: -2
that argument proves nothing ets, we've already covered that. all you're saying is that i can't trust anything i haven't seen in person. by that logic almost nothing is verifiable, which is completely absurd...
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Oh yea? PROVE it.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:08:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
opinion and thesis are practically interchangable, especially in the manner that ets presents them.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:04:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I asked a question wardy - http://www.ubersite.com/m/86710#1937094
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:02:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
that argument proves nothing ets, we've already covered that. all you're saying is that i can't trust anything i haven't seen in person. by that logic almost nothing is verifiable, which is completely absurd...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:53:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Third time's a charm....
We can only hope.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:52:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:47:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:55 (#)
Ranking: -2
you're right, i can't possibly begin to make sense to someone who barely has a high school diploma.
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Now that's not hypocritical at all. Nor is it the LEAST bit elitist.
You're so hopelessly obtuse, it's really sad. Makes me thank god I didn't go to college longer.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:45:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Really solidifies your faith in the American school system doesn't it, Kathy.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
you're right, i can't possibly begin to make sense to someone who barely has a high school diploma. what do i know about writing research papers other than it's the vast majority of what i've been doing for the last four years of my life.
you still have yet to explain to me using any pattern of logic why i was wrong about the osama videos. it's okay, i didn't expect you to...
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:32:40 (#)
Ranking: -2
seeing as how he's claiming to be the voice of 'truth' and the authority on these subjects, he's the one that should be worried about the strength of his sources. come on filthy, i know you're only one small part of his many personalities, but try and keep up.
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He's voicing his opinion on a website, not submitting a thesis. You seem to have some difficulty understanding the difference between the two, which amuses me because I was under the impression you were at university.
You are, aren't you? Or have I just made that up? Which one? I don't even know what country you're in.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:41:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge,
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Because a 'source' isn't a base of knowledge.
*rolls eyes and pukes*
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:34:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:31:39 (#)
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Still? No wardy, I was his alter but then one day I magically took on human form and started living out in the world like a real boy. Getting a social security number was a bitch. Try again.
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i thought you were a girl... you're wierd...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:32:40 EDT (#)
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seeing as how he's claiming to be the voice of 'truth' and the authority on these subjects, he's the one that should be worried about the strength of his sources. come on filthy, i know you're only one small part of his many personalities, but try and keep up.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:31:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:23:39 (#)
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filthy, are you still one of brad's alters?
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Still? No wardy, I was his alter but then one day I magically took on human form and started living out in the world like a real boy. Getting a social security number was a bitch. Try again.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:29:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge, but realistically no encyclopedia should be used as a source in a research paper. like i said, it's the equivalent of using a dictionary.
was that funny enough for you?
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And who here is writing a research paper? Last I checked we were bullshitting on a website designed for people who are bored at work.
And no, that wasn't funny enough. But I have faith little one, keep going.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:23:39 EDT (#)
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filthy, are you still one of brad's alters?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 EDT (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge, but realistically no encyclopedia should be used as a source in a research paper. like i said, it's the equivalent of using a dictionary.
was that funny enough for you?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:19:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:14:22 (#)
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for definitions it's okay, dipshit. for research it is generally considered to be unacceptable -- just like i can't use a dictionary as a source on my post-modern brit lit papers. goddammit you're a fucking moron.
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So it's possible that wikipedia content is wrong or misleading, unless that content happens to be a definition. Uh-huh. Because THAT makes sense.
You're pretty funny wardy. Say more things.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:14:22 EDT (#)
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for definitions it's okay, dipshit. for research it is generally considered to be unacceptable -- just like i can't use a dictionary as a source on my post-modern brit lit papers. goddammit you're a fucking moron.
but way to not respond again.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:12:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:00:26 (#)
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A straw man (or straw dog[1]) argument is a rhetorical technique based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted. -- wikipedia.com
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WIKIPEDIA!?!?!?
Fucking hypocrite.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:03:25 EDT (#)
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maybe it was more of a slippery slope argument than a straw man... i guess it had elements of both... sorry...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:00:26 EDT (#)
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A straw man (or straw dog[1]) argument is a rhetorical technique based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted. -- wikipedia.com
all you did was answer me by arguing that i have no idea what bin laden really looks like. WOW ETS THAT'S FUCKING MIND BLOWING!!!! I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHAQ LOOKS LIKE OR EVEN THE PRESIDENT HOLY SHIT OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you dumbass, even if that was the case, then they still would have no reason to stop putting out videos of bin laden, which is what i said. you didn't refute that, all you did was completely misdirect my comment away from what i said in order to weaken it. god you're retarded.
i'm really glad i've never met you in person...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:54:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:12 (#)
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whoops, didn't see that you'd responded. either way, you talk about a straw man argument, that's the epitome of one. go take a logic course at your local community college or something, and then come back.
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Do you even know what a straw man is? I don't even NEED one with idiots like you around. You set them up for me.
Your comebacks are getting more and more pathetic, by the way. I think that deserves a couple -2s.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:41:04 (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
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Nancy Grace makes my fucking skin crawl with disgust. Her over-the-top "TONIGHT! LIVE! WE. HAVE. THE. VIDEO! THE LATEST ON THE STUNNING DOUBLE MURDER MYSTERY."
ahhhhhhhhhhhh Kill me now.
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She is a drama mama, but I know a sure way to "put the gag order" on her. Ahhh, and then I'D have THE VIDEO.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:12 EDT (#)
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whoops, didn't see that you'd responded. either way, you talk about a straw man argument, that's the epitome of one. go take a logic course at your local community college or something, and then come back.
holy shit dude. holy shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:50:57 EDT (#)
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This has nothing to do with my watching TV.
In fact, none of this shit is ON TV. That's why I'm saying it here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
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It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:34 EDT (#)
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no answer? why am i not surprised...
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:14 EDT (#)
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i think i figured out your problem man.
its tv...stop watching tv
I don't care what's on, it will rot your brain
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 EDT (#)
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It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:41:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
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Nancy Grace makes my fucking skin crawl with disgust. Her over-the-top "TONIGHT! LIVE! WE. HAVE. THE. VIDEO! THE LATEST ON THE STUNNING DOUBLE MURDER MYSTERY."
ahhhhhhhhhhhh Kill me now.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:32 EDT (#)
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that doesn't even make sense.... but please explain to me why i'm wrong, rather than just insulting me. i mean, you are supposed to be showing me the truth, right? so tell me why i'm wrong, please.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 EDT (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:35:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
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You are a fucking retard. And I don't mean that in a "haha, look at the funny retard" kind of way.
I mean RE-TARD. Like you were tarded once, but just had to be tarded again.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:34:24 EDT (#)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285482188969118384&q=osama+bin+laden&pl=true -- i don't see any curtains in this one. keep digging...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:32:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:05:37 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 (#)
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hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
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Uh, wouldn't you just have put up a curtain and taped in front of that? It's not like the muslim fraternity could be accused of having a shortage of cloth....
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He had curtains up in all the videos I've seen.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:31:23 EDT (#)
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relax cunty, i was joking. but it does disprove his theory that osama is just someone created by the neo-cons because if he was, they wouldn't have a reason to stop creating the videos. as far as having more credibility with videos, i don't think the al-qaeda folk really give a shit about whether or not it is osama spitting off america-hate rhymes anymore than if it was some average joe. but that's just what i think.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:27:41 EDT (#)
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100 reviews. woo
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:24:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
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Any video will give clues, but it also gives whatever is said a lot more credence - surely you'd have to weigh the potential security risk with the fact that video will always be more convincing than audio. What possible evidence of location could you get from a tape of a man standing in front of a curtain? Maybe the make of the video camera, time of day if it was outside....what else? It's not exactly GPS co-ordinates, is it?
I don't personally suspect the videos of being faked because honestly I haven't given it any thought, but even with my childlike understanding of technology, I'm pretty sure you haven't even come close to debunking anything with your comment there. You said it was because they were using the rocks to narrow down a list of possible locations, and I came up with a ridiculously obvious and simple solution to that problem. So now you come back with the conveniently vague "any videos gives clues - HAHA! DEBUNKED!"
Just like the man you love to hate, you'd find people much more open to your ideas if you didn't come across as so needlessly self-congratulatory. Makes you seem rather ignorant.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 EDT (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
i rock. pizza time.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:05:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 (#)
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hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
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Uh, wouldn't you just have put up a curtain and taped in front of that? It's not like the muslim fraternity could be accused of having a shortage of cloth....
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 EDT (#)
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hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:38:02 EDT (#)
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NEWSFLASH:
THE MEDIA IS BIASED.
IN BRADLEY 'BATSHIT' LINZY'S POST TOMORROW: MCDONALDS IS BAD FOR YOU.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:27:38 EDT (#)
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ah, unfortunately for you Bradley, the real world has gone and acted, fucking up your carefully held delusions.
The IAEA will be seeking sanctions, due to this weekend's announcement by Iran.
a moot point, really...Israel will handle this before it becomes an issue anyways.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:18:02 EDT (#)
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Heheh. I feel better for that. Somebody give me an opportunity to shout at them - it's doing me some good.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:17:16 EDT (#)
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"The saturation doesn't make it 'evil' - it just means it works. There doesn't need to be some sinister overlord trying to "keep the country dumb" because the country does that for itself. If you didn't buy these products, watch these shows or vote with your feet in any other countless ways then the media situation you are railing against would not exist."
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:15:13 EDT (#)
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Yeah, what she said.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:12:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:36:20 (#)
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The way I see it, chav, is you have no idea what you're talking about. You've got your media and we've got ours, and I think I'm in a much better position to judge the state of my own country's media than you are, so I think you'd do yourself well to keep it shut on this one.
You're not the one that wakes up everyday of his life and rolls out of bed onto American soil, you're not the one who watches American TV and American commercials, so you're in no position to bloviate about any of this. (Yes, I watch too much Bill O-Reilly.)
See, I bet you have no idea who that is, do you? I can almost rest my case right there. If you've never seen O'REilly in action, you have no idea how frightening our media can be.
One of the things I was struck with when I came to your country was the almost...transparent nature of your advertising. It might have been just a cultural thing, or that I wasn't used to the brands, but all the commercials seemed...generic in a way. Like they were produced in a grey communist building that churns out 100,000 a year just like them.
This wasn't entirely the case, but overall, your advertising firms (and subsequently, your government) aren't using the same PR techniques American firms are using.
The American media machine is much more refined and sophisticated - capable of subtle, undetectable nuggets of mind-control. Your media from what I've seen is apples to our oranges.
Kathy might disagree with me on this point.
I'm not saying ours is 'better'. This isn't a typical "we can do anything you can do better" American response here. I'm just saying our machine is far more....sinister....evil...than anything your country's got going. Keeping the country dumb is like an unspoken policy in this country.
You have absolutely no room to talk when I rail against it. None.
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Well, first of all, you need to wind your neck in with the calling people chavs shit. If he, according to you, has no concept of american advertising because he's not american then you sure as hell have no concept of what a chav is. It doesn't do your argument any favours.
The characteristics of the american media machine that you're talking about are not 'more refined and sophisticated' - they're just relentless. American advertising is probably the least subtle I have ever seen - it may seem more effective but that's only because you can't escape it. You advertise chemotherapy treatments on television for christ's sake. That's not subtle - that's fucking outrageous commidification of everything from health to happiness. You were raised on this shit - it doesn't seem weird to you to have adverts for abortion all over the interstate or national monuments. People don't object to it because they don't know any different. It's not that american adverts use different techniques from english ones - making someone want to buy something is the same the world over - it's just that everything in america is attached to a product. In england, there is at least an opportunity to take a breath.
The saturation doesn't make it 'evil' - it just means it works. There doesn't need to be some sinister overlord trying to "keep the country dumb" because the country does that for itself. If you didn't buy these products, watch these shows or vote with your feet in any other countless ways then the media situation you are railing against would not exist. And that works exactly the same over here - we get what we pay for and all too often we prove that convenience never comes at too high a price. I was completely obsessed over there with watching the 700 Club because I just could not believe that people were pledging hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to some shaky old mean-hearted cunt who wouldn't know the meaning of compassion if I beat it into the back of his head. That isn't the machine keeping people dumb brad - that's people choosing to be dumb.
You need to be very careful when you start suggesting that someone can't comment on something american because they themselves are not american. If you give them a chance to air their views you might find that having an outsiders perspective brings something new to the table and might even teach you something.
Submitted by hoojAmAphut (user info) at 2006-04-17 15:09:16 EDT (#)
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I'm always surprised at the reactions to your posts, it seems people get pretty threatened when they're basically told they're living a lie. I don't see how the majority of people dont just click on what is really going on here in America. George Bush is a communist
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:55:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:37:39 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:20:23 (#)
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Looking forward to the 'Russia faked the end of the cold war so they can sneak up on the US with a big fuck off nuclear bomb and rule the world' post.
Got a timeline on that one or did I miss it already.
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Obviously, you've already thought of it, which inherently makes it plausible. I suggest you post it yourself. Save me the trouble.
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I thought about it, and the government being behind 9/11, about injust wars, about Enron, about moon faking and KFK shooting, about the loans and Savings scandal. But to avoid making myself look like a complete freak I tend not to post on the subject because I'm not fully versed.
Here's one for you FREE ENERGY, get your google teeth into that. (check also N.Tesla)
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:45:55 EDT (#)
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Insults don't bother me, but I am really not a chav. I'm somewhat surprised at this choice of insult, not just its inaccuracy; you don't know me I type in slang...but it just doesn't seem like you.
I know who Bill O-Reilly is.
you being american and me not makes no difference to your simple lack of a grasp of certain straightforward principles like sovereignty.
"transparent nature of your advertising. It might have been just a cultural thing, or that I wasn't used to the brands, but all the commercials seemed...generic in a way."
Guniess adverts. I have seen plenty of american adverts and a fair bit of american tv and I AM saying that British tv and definately British adverts are better than those in the US.
All I said was that you shouldn't call people stupid cos you aren't exactly over endowed.
I never said anything arguing against the bias in the american media.
I don't think its controlled by the government I just think they want more people to watch them.
Its like saying the government controlls fortune cookies cos they always tell you good news.
Proof? well you never get one telling you you're payinjg to mcuh in taxes do you??
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:37:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:20:23 (#)
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Looking forward to the 'Russia faked the end of the cold war so they can sneak up on the US with a big fuck off nuclear bomb and rule the world' post.
Got a timeline on that one or did I miss it already.
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Obviously, you've already thought of it, which inherently makes it plausible. I suggest you post it yourself. Save me the trouble.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:36:20 EDT (#)
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The way I see it, chav, is you have no idea what you're talking about. You've got your media and we've got ours, and I think I'm in a much better position to judge the state of my own country's media than you are, so I think you'd do yourself well to keep it shut on this one.
You're not the one that wakes up everyday of his life and rolls out of bed onto American soil, you're not the one who watches American TV and American commercials, so you're in no position to bloviate about any of this. (Yes, I watch too much Bill O-Reilly.)
See, I bet you have no idea who that is, do you? I can almost rest my case right there. If you've never seen O'REilly in action, you have no idea how frightening our media can be.
One of the things I was struck with when I came to your country was the almost...transparent nature of your advertising. It might have been just a cultural thing, or that I wasn't used to the brands, but all the commercials seemed...generic in a way. Like they were produced in a grey communist building that churns out 100,000 a year just like them.
This wasn't entirely the case, but overall, your advertising firms (and subsequently, your government) aren't using the same PR techniques American firms are using.
The American media machine is much more refined and sophisticated - capable of subtle, undetectable nuggets of mind-control. Your media from what I've seen is apples to our oranges.
Kathy might disagree with me on this point.
I'm not saying ours is 'better'. This isn't a typical "we can do anything you can do better" American response here. I'm just saying our machine is far more....sinister....evil...than anything your country's got going. Keeping the country dumb is like an unspoken policy in this country.
You have absolutely no room to talk when I rail against it. None.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:20:23 EDT (#)
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Looking forward to the 'Russia faked the end of the cold war so they can sneak up on the US with a big fuck off nuclear bomb and rule the world' post.
Got a timeline on that one or did I miss it already.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:18:45 EDT (#)
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I ain't a chav just cos I've got a leicester accent.
Damn I just typed ain't. I even type with an accent.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:17:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:07:04 (#)
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"revert back into herd mode...slinking away like a little scared snake.]"
I like amusing mixed metaphors
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I like debating with chavs about American politics.
Fun innit!
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 14:07:04 EDT (#)
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"revert back into herd mode...slinking away like a little scared snake.]"
I like amusing mixed metaphors
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 13:42:23 EDT (#)
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Brad, you may have an IQ of 140ish or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're not a complete and utter moron.
I occasionally enjoy discussing things with you, but don't claim superiority to people who disagree with you. The things you say, its obvious you don't understand even simple political concepts. You are so fucking dumb I was convinced for a long time that you were just putting it on to take the piss.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 13:34:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 13:17:09 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 08:21:55 (#)
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Um, Jesus isn't *in* the old testament...
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*sighs*
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Do you SEE the utter stupidity with which I'm am faced?
This is only a sampling. Wait around till Wardy shows up. If it's possible, he's even dumber.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 13:17:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 08:21:55 (#)
Ranking: -2
Um, Jesus isn't *in* the old testament...
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*sighs*
I am aware of that. I was just saying the bibles pretty fucked up too and he should get off his christians are nice horse.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2006-04-17 13:08:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
"the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign (seems a little convenient to have such a committee)."
I'll say. Finally, an organization that can handle my complex martyr commemoration needs.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:29:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:03:01 (#)
Ranking: -2
Do you really believe that shit ETS?
The govt made up Osama's speeches? They made them so well that Al Jazeera carries them before CNN?
How do you function in the real world seriously, I would have thought anyone as stupid as you would need to be watered twice a day.
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Why wouldn't Al-Jazeera carry them first? That only makes sense. It would be a stupid mistake to plant the story at CNN. For one thing, it's a felony to do so (only a slight consideration); for another thing it would be anachronistic and would raise red flags.
Besides...CNN doesn't show or play them anyway!
Here's why... They WANT war. Our government WANTS the war to continue indefinitely. If they can show that suicide bombers are everywhere, we could use the Muslim population against themselves and against the American peaceful mind to convince people to continue a war in perpetuity.
We're talking nothing but cold, hard $$$$$$$$$.
A never-ending supply of cash, courtesy of printed money from the world's reserve printing press.
1) Control Bin Laden's speech content.
2) Control Al-Jazeera network.
3) Broadcast manufactured speech on manufactured news station.
4) Watch as Muslim would-be martyrs are inflamed and blow themselves up in crowded places across the globe, but mainly in the middle east.
5) Use evidence as PROOF this war is just and "Long War" on "Terror" is completely justified.
6) Control cable news networks inside the United States with bribes, blackmail, and/or death threats.
7) Prevent Bin Laden speeches from reaching a wide prime-time audience by keeping the news stories on CNN centered around red-herrings like the Natalie Halloway disappearance or some other bullshit little two-bit murder that doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to the other shit going on in the world.
8) Spin every news story in favor of the overall agenda, which is to continue the "Long War" at all costs. George Bush is expendable. Rumsfeld = expendable. Cheaney = expendable. Their time is almost over anyway. The people that control the government will remain long after they're gone. As long as they can make the American people think their votes make bit of difference, and as long as we're kept docile and stupid with their products, they will have power over us. Unless we kill them all.
It's not hard to figure out who they are. They're actually posted all over the internet.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:20:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Your little trailer you live in must smell like shit, which is what I imagine happens when you never leave it, fuckwad.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:10:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-17 10:51:00 (#)
Ranking: -2
So you could find absolutely nothing false in what CNN reported, but since they used a report from a group with right leading beliefs the whole network is questionable?
The NAACP has left leaning tendencies, and a clear agenda, if a network uses them as a source is the network trying to brainwash people?
"Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign (seems a little convenient to have such a committee)"-
It would seem convenient to someone like you who has absolutely no understanding of the world outside the internet. Suicide bombers are celebrated in Iran. Their country is filled with memorial's for suicide bombers. CNN doesn't make that up, Al-Jazeera has stories about it, do you think they are trying to brainwash people to hate muslims too?
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Not saying Iran doesn't have memorials to martyrs, but Al-Jazeera is a joke. Yet another western puppet network based in Qatar and with western-friendly leanings. It's the staging area for the middle east psy-ops.
Read their history page: http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/JAZhistory.html
Suddenly, out of the blue, in 1995, a Saudi emir up and decided to dissolve his Ministry of Information after a broken deal between the BBC and the Arab company Orbit fell through? Why? Freedom of press? Sounds like a noble gesture, but not to be at least a little cynical is to not be realistic.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-17 11:03:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Do you really believe that shit ETS?
The govt made up Osama's speeches? They made them so well that Al Jazeera carries them before CNN?
How do you function in the real world seriously, I would have thought anyone as stupid as you would need to be watered twice a day.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 10:54:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-04-17 05:55:25 (#)
Ranking: 0
1. Dude, read some quotes from bin LAden and his Merry Men. They may twist things or take it to extremes, but all the shit they say about fighting to spread Islam around the world and killing anyone who will not convert is right out of the Koran. As opposed to, say, that Jesus fellow, who didn't exactly advocate violence.
2. I thought you'd be taking a dump on FOX News, not CNN.
3. You have less of a life than I do... amazing.
4. I'll send you new plans for a fail-safe tin foil hat, you nutty conspiracy finder you!
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The last few speechs Bin Laden made were about a truce and warned that, as we already know, violence begets violence, and every act of aggression America perpetrates will be brought back on her.
It's a plea to stop the killing and start minding our own fucking business, which is surprisingly what I want as well - what most of us want.
But, again, I don't even know if that was really Bin Laden. The U.S. has made it a practice to falsify video of him. The 2001 Oscar should have gone to whoever directed that Bin Laden confession tape after 9/11. A now he's mysteriously gone to audio tape. The CIA has voice altering technology. That could easily be faked.
I think Osama Bin Laden was created by powerful neo-cons (at least the myth of him). He is a real man. He existed as a terrorist long before the current psy-wars, but he is the neo-con's creation. Everything we think about him has been forced on us and coerced upon our minds through a worldwide marketing campaign carried out by the world's gullible, unquestioning media and an even more gullible population.
For all we really know, Bin Laden is already in U.S. custody and is being forced to make videotapes. It only takes one moment of clarity to realize this is no more far-fetched a thought than that the biggest enemy of the United States is running around the mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan, and that only a few special forces personnel are there to chase him, while the bulk of our army is fucking around in Iraq.
Think Goldstein. This IS 1984. And the government has us all hook, line, and sinker. The only difference is, in this version, we maintain a semblance of freedom to help keep us docile, because the fluoride in the drinking water isn't enough. The microwaves and chemicals in the air aren't enough to knock us out completely, so they have to throw us a bone. That bone is called 'liberty'.
In reality, liberty doesn't exist.
Could I be going insane? Sure. But what if I'm not? What then? Would you even care? If the answer is "no", then it's already worse than I thought.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-17 10:51:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So you could find absolutely nothing false in what CNN reported, but since they used a report from a group with right leading beliefs the whole network is questionable?
The NAACP has left leaning tendencies, and a clear agenda, if a network uses them as a source is the network trying to brainwash people?
"Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign (seems a little convenient to have such a committee)"-
It would seem convenient to someone like you who has absolutely no understanding of the world outside the internet. Suicide bombers are celebrated in Iran. Their country is filled with memorial's for suicide bombers. CNN doesn't make that up, Al-Jazeera has stories about it, do you think they are trying to brainwash people to hate muslims too?
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-04-17 10:18:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
but fox news is still credible right?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-17 09:54:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
For god's sake man... I'm a goddamn national socialist and I come away looking less foaming at the mouth.
+2 for the research.
-2 for the fact that:
a) Major news conglomerates being biased isn't exactly recent news.
b) You're going too far and are making an idiot out of yourself and your entire arguement because you lose all credibility.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-04-17 09:53:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
As always a clear ETS post. I do watch CNN but being European the enormous difference between your news gathering and broadcasting and ours is so obvious. I know not to rely too much on USA news and always have a comparing look at more neutral European broadcasters.
Keep it up!
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-04-17 09:51:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-04-17 09:43:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
It's all censored anyway. Truth does not exist.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-17 09:37:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
CLICK
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-04-17 08:38:16 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-17 08:37:39 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86655 <----------- i agree with ETS!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 08:21:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Um, Jesus isn't *in* the old testament...
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-17 07:59:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
read the old testament foolproff. and please stop it ETS
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-04-17 05:55:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
1. Dude, read some quotes from bin LAden and his Merry Men. They may twist things or take it to extremes, but all the shit they say about fighting to spread Islam around the world and killing anyone who will not convert is right out of the Koran. As opposed to, say, that Jesus fellow, who didn't exactly advocate violence.
2. I thought you'd be taking a dump on FOX News, not CNN.
3. You have less of a life than I do... amazing.
4. I'll send you new plans for a fail-safe tin foil hat, you nutty conspiracy finder you!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:39:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Getting under your skin again, Brad?
You seem to be getting testy and all, and I'd hate to have you threaten to shoot me with a sniper rifle without me ever even seeing you.
Seriously. I'm in therapy for that.
And here's the funny thing.
If he didn't "care" as you put it (which is the wrong word) then why has he done it in the past?
Look through my history, seriously. I've been -2 bombed more than you can believe.
Why?
Because I don't cow-tow to shitty alters and bandwagons, I give people who think their shit doesn't stink infarktions, and I have a set of opinions that I will never deviate from, because I'm a stubborn ol' sumbitch.
So, go right ahead. For whatever reasons you think you need, hit every post I have, all 195 of them, with a -2.
Seriously.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:32:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You've refuted points made by me?
Really?
When?
Here's an example.
In a post, you stated pretty plainly that we needed a new government. Top to bottom.
I then asked you what YOU thought would be a suitable for of government. Federal, state, local.
YOU HAVE STILL NOT ANSWERED THAT.
In another post, the ENTIRE post was reasons the nation was fucked up. In it, you said you'd post next about ways that you would fix things.
STILL WAITING ON THAT ONE, TOO.
You love to bitch, whine, moan, groan, complain and point fingers, yet you NEVER come up with ways to make things better.
You start talking about living off the grid, or about letters you've sent to Reps about how their time is ending.
You decline to pay $200 in federal income taxes. (Wow, they'll NEVER survive)
It's pretty easy to sit around and bitch moan and groan, you've proven that.
I'd bet dollars to pesos that IRL, I'm more politically active than you are.
And no, politically active does not mean "sitting in a drum circle, wailing about the plight of Guantanamo prisoners" and it isn't "setting up a quasi-government compound that is a sovreign nation unto itself"
Wanna start comparing?
Seriously?
It'll probably humiliate you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:25:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:21:55 (#)
Ranking: -2
id, I don't normally care, which has been made plainly obvious in the past.
What get's to me, is that for some reason I can NOT fathom, ETS is allowed to do what others get banned for.
Why is that?
You have an answer?
I don't.
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Why don't you email Bart again and find out, you blathering little shit.
I'll let you in on a little secret though...maybe it's because Bart doesn't give a FUCK about you! Ever think of that?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:23:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Chazzy (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:15:21 (#)
Ranking: 2
ETS.. you dont know me but I started looking into similar things that you have around the same time you did, so am finding your posts extremely interesting. What amuses me is how closed minded many people are being, throwing personal insults at you, which are totally unnecessary. Someone visits your post, and when you do the same as he does (rates -2, and when considering how many times Ive personally seen it, I dont understand how he can moan when you do it!) he turns into a whining child, all over RATINGS. Jeebus, sort it out; theres something fundamentally wrong there if someone thinks they actually matter, slightly worrying perhaps. ETS, I like you, and I find what you have to say interesting and well thought out. Dont let the willing ignorance of some take you off track.
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Thank you, one person!
I appreciate that you took the time to say that. I appreciate even more the knowledge that I'm not alone in seeing all this shit.
Welcome to the minority.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:21:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
id, I don't normally care, which has been made plainly obvious in the past.
What get's to me, is that for some reason I can NOT fathom, ETS is allowed to do what others get banned for.
Why is that?
You have an answer?
I don't.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:20:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
1)
My -2's are at least for a reason beyond "oh, I'll show him and he won't come back".
I do not agree with you.
And I have, in previous posts, left VERY civil points for debate that you've ignored because it suits you, so don't give me that shit that you just want constructive debate. in a constructive debate, people do more than calling those who disagree idiots and morons, then point out the same thing time and time again.
[I don't have to have a *good* reason, Jason. I just have to have *my* reason. Accept that. I refute your points all the time and you always revert back into herd mode...slinking away like a little scared snake.]
2)
I don't seem to be the only person dropping -2's on you, yet I am the only person who get's retalitory -2's for voicing my opinions that disagree with you. I also don't see you throwing around +2's to those who agree with you.
[There you go again, Jason, with that 'herd' thing. "I don't seem to be the only person -2ing you" blah blah blah. If you think you're the only one, ask Method or Wardy or Caul. Don't go feeling all special, now, like I've singled out poor Jay.]
3)
If you think that threatening me with a "weakness" is going to make me stop, you are a bit more delusional than I thought. It doesn't bother me at to a point of a mental breakdown, like they do to you.
[Dude, I honestly don't give two fucks what you do. Just don't be surprised and stop whining to Bart and the uber public when you get exactly what I said you would. Mmmmkay?]
4)
You can believe this or not, but I rate posts, not posters. I really dislike Sphagnum, I give him +2's when he does good work, or writes something I agree with. I do that with everyone. I simply don't agree with you, so I rate accordingly on the post. Remember, I have +2'd you many times in the past.
[Again, I really don't give a fuck how you feel or how you rate. You don't get it, do you?]
5)
You're still pissed at me over the "respect" thing, aren't you? YOu know the rant of yours from a few posts ago, where you sad you were mad at me because you gave me +2's and backed me up, and then I didn't back you up. I think holding an internet grudge is pretty fucking sad.
[I'm beyond pissed off. This is no longer a grudge. This is a systematic retaliation...very cold and calculated. You just happened to have been in the crosshairs when I took stock of my enemies.]
6)
Bah, fuck #6. It's a shitty number.
[Shitty number for a shitty user with a second-rate series and a third-rate personality.]
Submitted by Chazzy (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:15:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
ETS.. you dont know me but I started looking into similar things that you have around the same time you did, so am finding your posts extremely interesting. What amuses me is how closed minded many people are being, throwing personal insults at you, which are totally unnecessary. Someone visits your post, and when you do the same as he does (rates -2, and when considering how many times Ive personally seen it, I dont understand how he can moan when you do it!) he turns into a whining child, all over RATINGS. Jeebus, sort it out; theres something fundamentally wrong there if someone thinks they actually matter, slightly worrying perhaps. ETS, I like you, and I find what you have to say interesting and well thought out. Dont let the willing ignorance of some take you off track.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:14:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
that really was quite golden. i'm sure he shits rainbows too
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:14:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
jgreening - its a negative 2 you petty fucking loser. WHO GIVES A FUCK. so he drops a -2 on your posts, so fucking what, its jsut indicative of his idiocy, and proves you fucked him over AGAIN.
but by all means, go right ahead and care about an arbitrary number that has no meaning whatsoever, not even on this tiny site. get some fucking perspective. go outside. get laid.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:11:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"The difference between and 99% of the other assholes that inhabit this (site) I can see what's bullshit and what's not because I can see what makes sense and what doesn't, not to mention who gains what from whatever gets printed. "
aaahahahahahahahaha.
time to go back on the meds, batshit.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:07:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Few things, whackjob.
1)
My -2's are at least for a reason beyond "oh, I'll show him and he won't come back".
I do not agree with you.
And I have, in previous posts, left VERY civil points for debate that you've ignored because it suits you, so don't give me that shit that you just want constructive debate. in a constructive debate, people do more than calling those who disagree idiots and morons, then point out the same thing time and time again.
2)
I don't seem to be the only person dropping -2's on you, yet I am the only person who get's retalitory -2's for voicing my opinions that disagree with you. I also don't see you throwing around +2's to those who agree with you.
3)
If you think that threatening me with a "weakness" is going to make me stop, you are a bit more delusional than I thought. It doesn't bother me at to a point of a mental breakdown, like they do to you.
4)
You can believe this or not, but I rate posts, not posters. I really dislike Sphagnum, I give him +2's when he does good work, or writes something I agree with. I do that with everyone. I simply don't agree with you, so I rate accordingly on the post. Remember, I have +2'd you many times in the past.
5)
You're still pissed at me over the "respect" thing, aren't you? YOu know the rant of yours from a few posts ago, where you sad you were mad at me because you gave me +2's and backed me up, and then I didn't back you up. I think holding an internet grudge is pretty fucking sad.
6)
Bah, fuck #6. It's a shitty number.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 02:02:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:54:27 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:34:27 (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:28:35 (#)
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whether you get your info from cnn, fox, or some random dudes blog, its all the fucking same you moron. its all facts being realted to you through someone else's eyes. its ALL filtered one way or another.
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THANK YOU.
That's all I wanted one of you to say. Again, I win. Now I don't wanna hear any more of your shit about the 'credibility' of my sources ever again.
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why dont you go ahead and post yet another spurious link to support yourself again?
the media is only bullshit to you when it disagrees with whatever youre saying. you epitomise hypocrisy.
you certainly do 'win' again.
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Don't you have a crocodile to tame or something?
Again, I go back to what you just said: "whether you get your info from cnn, fox, or some random dudes blog, its all the fucking same you moron. its all facts being realted to you through someone else's eyes. its ALL filtered one way or another."
If it's all filtered in one way or another, then the very notion of a 'credible' source flies out the window. All you're left with is whether or not you possess the specific decoder necessary to decode the motivations behind the news and enough search savvy to trace them back to their source.
The difference between and 99% of the other assholes that inhabit this I can see what's bullshit and what's not because I can see what makes sense and what doesn't, not to mention who gains what from whatever gets printed.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:54:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:34:27 (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:28:35 (#)
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whether you get your info from cnn, fox, or some random dudes blog, its all the fucking same you moron. its all facts being realted to you through someone else's eyes. its ALL filtered one way or another.
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THANK YOU.
That's all I wanted one of you to say. Again, I win. Now I don't wanna hear any more of your shit about the 'credibility' of my sources ever again.
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why dont you go ahead and post yet another spurious link to support yourself again?
the media is only bullshit to you when it disagrees with whatever youre saying. you epitomise hypocrisy.
you certainly do 'win' again.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:47:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:40:22 (#)
Ranking: -2
And yeah, on Afterlife, my ratings do matter to me. I put some good work into those, and people won't read a series that sits below 1.5 rating.
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Good, now I've found your weakness. I suggest if they matter to you so much you do as I suggest and take your bullshit opinions elsewhere, because my posts matter to me as well, and I don't need your whining getting in the way of real debate and reasonable disagreements based on more than filing in with your precious uber crowd.
Either that, or send Bart yet another email about me. It's really your choice.
I'm not cutting off your ability to speak or express your opinion, I'm not forcing your hands off the fucking keyboard, I am merely laying out clear consequences of your choice to keep doing so on my posts. So, now, the ball is in your court. If you still feel like being a whiny asshole on my posts, go for it.
But don't say again I didn't warn you and keep relying on Bart to save your ass.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:40:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Wait, so the advocate of free speech is telling me that to stop his pissy act, I should not voice my opinion.
Great.
Now, instead of being just a fucking whackjob, he's an elitist hypocrite.
I think it's pretty fucking childish and lame that because I voice an opinion that isn't yours, and because I won't bend to your onslaught of bullshit, you feel threatened enough to do that.
And yeah, on Afterlife, my ratings do matter to me. I put some good work into those, and people won't read a series that sits below 1.5 rating.
I do wonder though, what do you do to people in real life who won't listen to your bullshit rants and seriously slanted world view. Do you follow them and berate them until they run away?
Oh, wait. NO one will listen to you in the real world.
My bad.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:36:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:32:06 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:20:40 (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey ETS, you fucking whackjob, what the fuck?
Because I don't fucking agree with you, you have to fucking -2bomb me AGAIN?
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if you care, you're an idiot
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Obviously he does care, otherwise he wouldn't whine like a bitch everytime I do it.
Besides, I've told him 1000 times, if he wants me to stop,all he has to do is leave me alone. Follow McCallum's advice, Jason. Boycott my posts. It'll do you good.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:34:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:28:35 (#)
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whether you get your info from cnn, fox, or some random dudes blog, its all the fucking same you moron. its all facts being realted to you through someone else's eyes. its ALL filtered one way or another.
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THANK YOU.
That's all I wanted one of you to say. Again, I win. Now I don't wanna hear any more of your shit about the 'credibility' of my sources ever again.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:32:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:20:40 (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey ETS, you fucking whackjob, what the fuck?
Because I don't fucking agree with you, you have to fucking -2bomb me AGAIN?
if you care, you're an idiot
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:29:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I think this post broke uber.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:28:35 EDT (#)
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for the love of god, you cant use media sources to back up your thoughts, and then turn around and say the media is bullshit. you rant and rave and carry on and post link after link after link to support whatever spurious claim your latest bag of weed has inspired you to, and then you go and bite the hand that feeds you.
whether you get your info from cnn, fox, or some random dudes blog, its all the fucking same you moron. its all facts being realted to you through someone else's eyes. its ALL filtered one way or another.
i mean, honestly, do you really think youre saying anything new at ALL by saying that a media organisation is biased? do you expect us to go run our hands under a tap if you say water is wet?
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:24:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:20:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey ETS, you fucking whackjob, what the fuck?
Because I don't fucking agree with you, you have to fucking -2bomb me AGAIN?
Serious as fuck, I don't know what kind of incriminating photos you have of Bart, but that's TWENTY retalitory -2's on me, and somehow you STILL aren't fucking banned.
You are a sad sad man, seriously. I do not agree with you, and I don't think I ever will.
You are so extreme in what you think, you make moderate liberals like me look bad, and because I voice that, you have to go fuck up a series that has been running in the 1.7+ range if not for you and DipshitAJ.
Get back on your fucking meds or start getting off the grid like you so sadly desire.
Submitted by Phate (user info) at 2006-04-17 01:17:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
NURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 00:47:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-17 00:30:50 (#)
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oh noes...they're ignoring you...arggggggggggg
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I WIN!
Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Let 'em run away. They can't defend their idiotic points of view anyway without trying to put words in my mouth, twist my words, or extrapolate wild meanings from my words to set up a straw man for the reader.
It takes about 2 seconds to see through the bullshit in their arguments anyway, which is about the same length of time any of them can possibly remain interesting.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-17 00:41:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
derka derka
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-17 00:30:50 EDT (#)
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oh noes...they're ignoring you...arggggggggggg
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-16 22:12:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:44:59 (#)
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"Terrorism" is just a convenient word that helps to villify and demonize those that seek to protect themselves from our military and political meddlings in their home countries through the only tactical means available to them - covert and guerilla.
Under this very definition, the colonists who fought the British Army under General Washington were also terrorists.
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wow, you've called the founding fathers 'terrorists.' does michael bay know you're stealing lines from his movies now?
oh, and once again you are pretty much completely wrong on everything you've written here. nice work, keep reaffirming the belief that there is no hope for people with nothing better than a high school diploma. what's next on the career list for you if you don't decide to live in a shanty on the west side of the appalacian mountains? i bet you've got a real cusy job lined up at the mickey d's down the road from you, huh? a sweet drive thru gig, i bet. you lucky bastard...
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2006-04-16 22:11:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
I am starting to like you more and more, but didn't CNN's nickname use to be Clinton News Network?
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-04-16 21:51:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You're calling CNN Right-wing? Boy, are you funcked up.
Submitted by IWalkOnPavement (user info) at 2006-04-16 20:24:15 EDT (#)
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I read this because I was just told that I shouldn't by someone called Jack.
I liked it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 20:14:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2006-04-16 19:05:14 (#)
Ranking: -1
Surprise Surprise...another ETS post that you can discern solely by title...
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You should APPLAUD that. It's called delivering that which was promised.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 19:55:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
hello
Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2006-04-16 19:05:14 EDT (#)
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Surprise Surprise...another ETS post that you can discern solely by title...
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-16 19:02:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You are the turd in the punchbowl.
How's that tan working out for you? Get a lot of sun this weekend?
Idiot.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-04-16 19:00:30 EDT (#)
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Little late, hon. Everybody already knows CNN is bullshit.
Was kind of funny though.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:50:11 EDT (#)
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I never keep track of things with American news groups. When I get a hankering for being informed, I look to the BBC. Their World News site contains sub-pages dedicated to different sections of the world (so I can check out what's going on here in the US, if I'm so inclined). I also appreciate the fact that they never make a meal out of substanceless reports like the "McDonalds vs. fatass" lawsuits, not even during a slow news week.
I'm not sure how much more reliable they are, given that becoming a journalist effectively means learning to lie, but I believe they give a 3rd person perspective that no American news networks can give, no matter how non-partisan they attempt to be.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
Submitted by TheCrystalShip (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:47:56 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by extacy_red (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:43:26 EDT (#)
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because.
the end
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:39:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:23:24 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:54:29 (#)
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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:20 (#)
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Oh yeah, they teach you at college the proper way to change someone's opion is to never tell them it's wrong.
Sounds odd, but it's extremely effective.
Never, never, allienate your listener.
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I know this. This is no secret.
The difference is, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion at all. I'm just trying to raise awareness that our cable news media is nothing more than a 24-hour-long infomercial, bought and paid for by numerous organizations who seek to skew public opinion one way or the other.
The fact that I'm only looking for truth and not trying to subtly manipulate people's thoughts lends itself to the type of backlash I ALWAYS recieve.
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You are not looking for truth. You're using random facts put together to portray what you believe to be truth. Practically in the same way CNN uses assorted facts to create their stories. You are a fucking informercial seeking to "raise awarness", which is actually just a subtle bash intending to change people's opinions of "right wing" news organizations.
You are no better than the thing you bash.
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No, I'm using random facts to help people understand what they're reading when they look at a website like CNN.com or watch a newscast like CNN thinking it's REAL NEWS, when in reality it's all bought and paid for. I laid all the groundwork for you here. If you want to follow up by doing your own research, or if you'd like to debunk mine in some way, I'm all ears, otherwise, attacking me personally will get you nowhere.
As long as a NEWS organization is right-wing, left-wing, ANY-wing except the news, the whole news, and nothing but the news so help you god, then my bashing will be more than a subtle; you can take that to the bank.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:35:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:20 (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh yeah, they teach you at college the proper way to change someone's opion is to never tell them it's wrong.
Sounds odd, but it's extremely effective.
Never, never, allienate your listener.
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Never tell your children when they are wrong. They will grow up to be just like
you, wishy-washy twits who don't know shit from applebutter.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:23:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:54:29 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:20 (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh yeah, they teach you at college the proper way to change someone's opion is to never tell them it's wrong.
Sounds odd, but it's extremely effective.
Never, never, allienate your listener.
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I know this. This is no secret.
The difference is, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion at all. I'm just trying to raise awareness that our cable news media is nothing more than a 24-hour-long infomercial, bought and paid for by numerous organizations who seek to skew public opinion one way or the other.
The fact that I'm only looking for truth and not trying to subtly manipulate people's thoughts lends itself to the type of backlash I ALWAYS recieve.
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You are not looking for truth. You're using random facts put together to portray what you believe to be truth. Practically in the same way CNN uses assorted facts to create their stories. You are a fucking informercial seeking to "raise awarness", which is actually just a subtle bash intending to change people's opinions of "right wing" news organizations.
You are no better than the thing you bash.
Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-04-16 18:01:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
white-people, hav-ing fun,
glo-bal do-mi-nation over ev-ry-one,
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-16 17:42:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
you so cray-ze
hahaha
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-16 17:38:52 EDT (#)
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blahhhhhhhhhhhh
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-16 17:38:40 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-16 17:38:30 EDT (#)
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i can't ignore my sensationalist buddy.
:)
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2006-04-16 17:15:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA I don't give a shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 16:44:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-04-16 16:07:48 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:49:56 (#)
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Fox News is way too easy. Why even bother exposing something that is shamelessly biased?
Unfortunately today, most Christians nowadays seem to know very little about what Christ actually taught, and instead tend to focus on the hellfire and brimstone of apocalyptic books and Old Testament laws. To these people, killing in the name of Christianity apparently makes perfect sense
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If you want people to start listening to you, stop making broad generalizations about entire religions and stop claiming to know more about everything than everybody else.
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I'm gonna say exactly what's on my mind, buddy, and I honestly don't give a fuck if you listen to me or not.
How 'bout them apples?
Submitted by Mrdurden24 (user info) at 2006-04-16 16:34:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Go to sleep America..Your goverment in in control..
Go to sleep America..
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-16 16:18:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK, IT'S EASTER!
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-04-16 16:07:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:49:56 (#)
Ranking: 0
Fox News is way too easy. Why even bother exposing something that is shamelessly biased?
Unfortunately today, most Christians nowadays seem to know very little about what Christ actually taught, and instead tend to focus on the hellfire and brimstone of apocalyptic books and Old Testament laws. To these people, killing in the name of Christianity apparently makes perfect sense
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If you want people to start listening to you, stop making broad generalizations about entire religions and stop claiming to know more about everything than everybody else.
Submitted by MisterMojoRisin (user info) at 2006-04-16 15:59:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"Wesley Pruden, according to Wikipedia, has close ties to neo-Confederate organizations like the United Daughters of the Confederacy, and his father was a staunch opponent of racial integration in schools. Not to hold a person responsible for the sins of the father, but it kinda says a lot. "
Wasn't it southern Democrats who opposed integration? Solid South ringing any bells? ahem... Carry on.
Submitted by Freakmagnet (user info) at 2006-04-16 15:12:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Wait, the media is biased...WHA WHA WHAT!?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-16 15:01:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:47:16 (#)
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You and David Icke should spoon.
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David Icke is fucking awesome. He says something quite reasonable and you're going "yeah, ok, I could see that" and then suddenly descends into "THE QUEEN IS A MEMBER OF OF A SECRET SNAKE RACE WHO GOVERN THE PLANET ACCORDING TO THEIR REPTILIAN AGENDA....AND I AM THE SON OF GOD! FEAR ME!" and you just have to back away slowly.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:54:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:20 (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh yeah, they teach you at college the proper way to change someone's opion is to never tell them it's wrong.
Sounds odd, but it's extremely effective.
Never, never, allienate your listener.
--------------------------------------------
I know this. This is no secret.
The difference is, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion at all. I'm just trying to raise awareness that our cable news media is nothing more than a 24-hour-long infomercial, bought and paid for by numerous organizations who seek to skew public opinion one way or the other.
The fact that I'm only looking for truth and not trying to subtly manipulate people's thoughts lends itself to the type of backlash I ALWAYS recieve.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:54:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
"To these people, killing in the name of Christianity apparently makes perfect sense. "
I didn't read the post, I just thought the reviews would be interesting. But seriously, what he just said pisses me off, because it's true.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:49:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Fox News is way too easy. Why even bother exposing something that is shamelessly biased?
Unfortunately today, most Christians nowadays seem to know very little about what Christ actually taught, and instead tend to focus on the hellfire and brimstone of apocalyptic books and Old Testament laws. To these people, killing in the name of Christianity apparently makes perfect sense.
Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:47:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
You and David Icke should spoon.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:47:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:44:59 (#)
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And Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't guilty of calling for counter measures based on Christian ideologies either, right?
Because we attacked Iraq under completely solid and reliable pretenses, right?
"Terrorism" is just a convenient word that helps to villify and demonize those that seek to protect themselves from our military and political meddlings in their home countries through the only tactical means available to them - covert and guerilla.
Under this very definition, the colonists who fought the British Army under General Washington were also terrorists.
My motto: stop fucking with them and they'll stop fucking with us. If they don't, then and only then, will we be justified in attacking them.
But, again, even a cursory look at history will tell you who the real aggressors are.
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Example:
Everyone of these is a negative remark towards the person you are trying to persuade.
How is being negative towards them going to get them to change.
Negativity closes minds.
Cunt.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Oh yeah, they teach you at college the proper way to change someone's opion is to never tell them it's wrong.
Sounds odd, but it's extremely effective.
Never, never, allienate your listener.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:45:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
1. Dude, read some quotes from bin LAden and his Merry Men. They may twist things or take it to extremes, but all the shit they say about fighting to spread Islam around the world and killing anyone who will not convert is right out of the Koran. As opposed to, say, that Jesus fellow, who didn't exactly advocate violence.
2. I thought you'd be taking a dump on FOX News, not CNN.
3. You have less of a life than I do... amazing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:44:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
And Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell aren't guilty of calling for counter measures based on Christian ideologies either, right?
Because we attacked Iraq under completely solid and reliable pretenses, right?
"Terrorism" is just a convenient word that helps to villify and demonize those that seek to protect themselves from our military and political meddlings in their home countries through the only tactical means available to them - covert and guerilla.
Under this very definition, the colonists who fought the British Army under General Washington were also terrorists.
My motto: stop fucking with them and they'll stop fucking with us. If they don't, then and only then, will we be justified in attacking them.
But, again, even a cursory look at history will tell you who the real aggressors are.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:41:51 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Yeah, now I'm going to go write an artical about how leftist media outlets use their own dirty tricks to agenda set in their own little way.
All media does this shit.
Although, what you're accusing CNN is a bit much.
They're a buisness, news machine. Nar is good news/ buisness.
Why don't you write a nice long artical about how people need to be critical and analyze the media for what it is, one more source of information, no different than some nut online, that you can use to develop your own informed position.
Fact is, this consipracy bull shit is killing any chance you have to be respected and listened to. Instead of offering usefull advice you've been throwing out angry bashes against all views that oppose you.
Telling someone they suck will never change them.
Show them the fucking light.
Bitch.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-16 14:37:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
Yes, a total mythology. That's why dozens upon dozens of imams, Ayatollahs, militant leaders, sheiks, and Zaccharias Moussaoui all say that Islam mandates such activity so that Islam will rule the world.