Boycott CNN! (Exposing the Hidden Political Propaganda Machine Behind the Media) (3524 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-16 14:31:28 EDT
CNN, Cable News Network, has shown more and more of late its unwillingness to bring the American people the actual news, instead choosing to print and report fallacious attacks exclusively directed at the political psyche of the American people. They have, again and again, proved their usefulness as a 'credible' news source in serving up agenda-driven propaganda pieces that amount to little more than direct quotes from right-wing think tanks with little, if any, rebuttal from the opposing side of the issue.
Just as in the days leading up the Iraq war, CNN is once again at the forefront in preparing the minds of the unsuspecting Americans for a possible overseas invasion or air strike on an 'enemy' that is operating perfectly within its rights as a soveriegn nation. It is poised to capitalize on yet another news-generating, fear-based bruhaha with Iran.
Here is one good example I came across today. This is a 'news story' outlining the recruitment of suicide bombers and nuclear facilities expansion by the Iranian government.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/16/iran.wrapup.reut/index.html
The entire article hinges on combining a report by The Institute for Science and International Security, with a statement by some guy named Mohammad Ali Samadi, who is supposedly the spokesman for the Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign (seems a little convenient to have such a committee). The ISIS report uses commercially available satellite images of developing nuclear facilities to draw conclusions about the Iranian intentions, and the statement by this Mohammad Ali Samadi character outline his organization's martyr-recruiting activites in the wake of the possible threat of U.S. and Israeli strikes against Iran: "Some 200 people have registered to carry out operations against our enemies. America and Britain are definitely considered enemies," he says.
A quick google search for this Samadi character reveals this isn't the first time he's issued such a neat, convenient statement of intent from a 'suicide bomber organization'. The following quote is from June of 2004, "Some 10,000 people have registered their names to carry out martyrdom operations on our defined targets... Our targets are mainly the occupying American and British forces in the holy Iraqi cities, all the Zionists in Palestine, and Salman Rushdie."
That quote was used by a variety of sources to justify pressing on with the stated aim of wiping terrorism out through the battleground of Iraq.
One of those sources is the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies: http://www.defenddemocracy.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=317517
A quick perusal of their stated aim should reveal its leanings:
"""The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) is the only nonpartisan policy institute dedicated exclusively to promoting pluralism, defending democratic values, and fighting the ideologies that drive terrorism.
FDD was founded shortly after 9/11 by a group of visionary philanthropists and policymakers to engage in the worldwide war of ideas and to support the defense of democratic societies under assault by terrorism and Militant Islamism.
FDD uniquely combines policy research, democracy training, strategic communications, and investigative journalism. We focus our efforts where opinions are formed and, ultimately, where the war of ideas will be won or lost: in the media, on college campuses, and in the policy community, at home and abroad."""
The quote was also used in an article by World Net Daily: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38895
A quick perusal of their 'commentary' section to the right reveals which side their on as well:
"""Commentary
Another fishy missing link
- By Joseph Farah
Easter Alien
- By Pat Boone
Ex-'gays': Ignored and discounted
- By Jerry Falwell
Rebutting Darwinists
- By Ted Byfield
Will your kids be named Dhimmi?
- By Henry Lamb
What do you live for?
- By Greg Laurie
A cardinal cheers on lawbreakers
- By Les Kinsolving
Busting empty bunkers
- By Gordon Prather
Where's the respect for law?
- By Alan Keyes
The generals' revolt
- By Pat Buchanan"""
Pat Boone, Jerry Falwell, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchanan... Yes, this is a perfectly centrist organization, let me tell ya. In case you don't know who these people are, I invite you to google search for some of their more outlandish quotations and be amused at the general stupidity of which the human mind is capable.
But it doesn't stop there... In big letters at the top of the article to which I just linked you, you will note a link to an affiliated Insight Magazine (yet another Christian-right, think-tank, pundit-haven posing as a 'news' organization). http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/Default.asp
According to their "About Us" page, Insight features "commentary by renowned pundits such as Wesley Pruden, Mark Steyn, John O'Sullivan, Michael Barone, Rich Lowry, John Leo and others."
Wesley Pruden, according to Wikipedia, has close ties to neo-Confederate organizations like the United Daughters of the Confederacy, and his father was a staunch opponent of racial integration in schools. Not to hold a person responsible for the sins of the father, but it kinda says a lot.
On the Editorial Advisory Board of Insight is one Herbert I. London, who is also the President of the Hudson Institute, an ultra conservative think-tank featureing I. Lewis Scooter Libby as one of its senior advisors, according to Sourcewatch. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
Feel free to google the other names in that list and peruse the sourcewatch information and it will become clear where the agendas of Insight Magazine and Hudson Institute lie.
Now, let's get back to The Institute for Science and International Security for a moment and take this another direction... Let's look at who heads up the organization, David Albright. According to Sourcewatch - a website dedicated to keeping tabs on who runs and funds these 'think tanks' - Mr. Albright not only chairs ISIS, but is also involved with the Iraq Policy Information Project. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Albright
And what is IPIP? That's right, it's yet another conservative think tank. This one, however, is dedicated to controlling the public opinion of the debate over the Iraq war using concentrated PR as its weapon of choice and the media as its battleground.
These are the really scary folks, in my opinion, because they have websites that look like this: http://www.iraqpolicy.com/do/Home
Notice the dove symbolism. Peace right? Notice the hand-holding with the child on a sunny day. Innocence right? Well, read the text below that and decide for yourself if peace is really on the minds of these people. They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
"""Grassroots.org believes in peace. And we know that peace can not be achieved if ones people are under attack. In the world struggle against radical Muslim groups we believe in peace by dismantling these terrorist organizations, due to their callous attitudes toward human life."""
This recalls the infamous "WAR IS PEACE" motto of the ruling party in George Orwell's 1984, as well as echoing George Bush's own words when he stated flatly: "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
There has been much talk and debate about the nature of 'credible' news sources of late. It's a sad fact that, in this climate of paranoia and fear generated by the convenient, never-ending, "global war on terror", and the resulting political schism between left and right-leaning ideologies, there are few, if any, truly credible news sources left, or if there are, they are so overshadowed by the mountains of non-credible or straw-man sources so as to be rendered obsolete.
It is a common practice these days that news organizations - out of a stated need for expediency or a general laziness - will use quotes passed off as truth from political pundits in think-tank organizations with little background given to the consumer of the news.
In this way, think-tanks have successfully blurred the lines of politics and media to such an extent that even the most visible media outlets such as CNN are severely compromised in their journalistic integrity. This is why I say that unless we are prepared to do our own research legwork as consumers of the news, we boycott such outlets as CNN as being unreliable and biased.
It is only through complete transparency that journalistic integrity is upheld, and CNN, through its close association with think-tank punditry, seems to have abandoned the high road.
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-16 13:56:43 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html
Submitted by Doodies (user info) at 2006-04-25 20:50:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-21 21:31:26 EDT (#)
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One word...or rather, one acronym: IRA.
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Interest-Free Retirement Account?
What the duece?
Yes, I'm fucking around.
Submitted by OrganicBuddha (user info) at 2006-04-20 09:10:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-20 02:06:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-19 22:18:51 (#)
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They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
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I didn't realize "history" was "mythology".
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One word...or rather, one acronym: IRA.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-19 22:18:51 EDT (#)
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They openly advocate and perpetuate the mythology of the relationship between what we are now calling 'terrorism' and Islam.
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I didn't realize "history" was "mythology".
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-19 13:05:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-19 07:01:21 (#)
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That whole "Israel should be wiped off the map" thing is a stretch. I just read an article about what was said and the translation was "As the Imam said, the Occupier regime of al-Qods [Defenders of Palestine/Israel/Holy Land/whatever you call it] must be wiped off the map".
"The Occupier Regime"... That may be the Israeli government, that may be the Zionist movement, but it doesn't mean the nation of Israel.
This was a Turkish article.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1805
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What? So it refers to the people that live there, but not the actual nation? They're the same thing. You can't have a nation without people.
Are you stoned?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-19 11:42:24 EDT (#)
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since you're a victim of the Internet vultures: -2
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-19 08:43:08 EDT (#)
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Still waiting on ETS' super duper "better government"...
I can't tap my toe in anticipation for much longer without getting a serious cramp in my calf.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-19 07:01:21 EDT (#)
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That whole "Israel should be wiped off the map" thing is a stretch. I just read an article about what was said and the translation was "As the Imam said, the Occupier regime of al-Qods [Defenders of Palestine/Israel/Holy Land/whatever you call it] must be wiped off the map".
"The Occupier Regime"... That may be the Israeli government, that may be the Zionist movement, but it doesn't mean the nation of Israel.
This was a Turkish article.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1805
Submitted by r0fl (user info) at 2006-04-18 23:13:16 EDT (#)
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I think you're all Method.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:49:31 EDT (#)
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I does sound like his reaction to most.
But me, especially.
I've asked him to clarify something like 5 points, and all I get are more -2's on my posts.
21 and counting.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:22:31 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564 -- oh and check out his recent replies on this post. i tried to show him what an 'academic' argument should look like.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:21:36 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86758 -- here you go jay. and he was talking about me, woody just responded. but i reckon his opinion doesn't differ much from me to you or really any other logical thinker.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:11:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:52:19 (#)
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Aw, ETS...
That's 21, I'm sobbing.
Really.
You're just pathetic.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 22:01:09 EDT (#)
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Or he could have been talking about you.
In that case, nevermind.
but he should still nut up and do something.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 21:59:29 EDT (#)
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DC, just because I didn't read the 100 or so reviews between mine from Sunday night/Monday morning and today, is he talking about me there?
He's right, after about the first 3-4 paragraphs, I stop reading, because my head hurts.
I still want him to tell us what HIS idea for a perfect government is.
Shit, I'll settle for just federal, too.
But he won't do it, because he can point out things, and make opinions, and rip things to pieces, but he can not offer a single constructive paragraph about anything.
Like I said, it's easy to rip and moan and groan and cry that the sky is falling, it's hard to help prop it up.
At least *I* can point to actions and say "I am doing my part to make the situation better"
I work with the Colorado Democratic Party 10 hours a week from December to July, and 20 hours a week from August to November. I moderate and observe one study outreach a month, with groups of people ranging from the GLBT community to the Denver Police Unions to retirement homes.
I am a community G.O.T.V. co-ordinator, and yes, I register Democrats and Republicans and Independents.
I was a fundraiser for Sen. Ken Salazar last election cycle.
Last year, I helped to organize and oversee four signature petitions to get issues on the City of Denver ballot (decriminalization of pot, and three laws that slow the T.A.B.O.R. amendment.)
basically, I am telling him to nut up and do something, instead of sitting around bitching.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-04-18 21:56:18 EDT (#)
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Was it A or was it B, or was it X or Z?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 19:30:40 EDT (#)
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"His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it"
Okay that does it, even if you completely change you're still not coming in my commune.
You are a FUCKING RETARD. That is just name calling but what?
You expect me to try and back it up? You can't even follow simple logic that tends to click in to place in humans at around the age of 5 and allows them to start having conversations rather than just shouting 'wanna bickie' over and over and over again.
You are to goddamn stupid to understand concepts drummed into little kids such as 'just becasue someone else does something doesn't make it ok'.
I am no longer going to contribute towards your posts, even though it sometimes amuses me, because you're to dumb to talk to.
Submitted by Tyrone_Washington (user info) at 2006-04-18 17:26:43 EDT (#)
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Maybe they do, but what the hell are you going to do about it.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:23:48 EDT (#)
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You a fark.com reader, too?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:18:44 EDT (#)
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Holy shit jay, that's creepy.
Uhhh.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:18:01 EDT (#)
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Check this out. Some guy tagged air force one and now thinks he's a hero.
http://www.stillfree.com/
"I thought spraypainting the president's plane would be a great way to open a dialogue"
Heh.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:14:33 EDT (#)
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http://www.stillfree.com/
If this is real, this is hilarious.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 16:08:24 EDT (#)
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Jesus, I've seen shit fights at the zoo more organized than this guys posts
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 15:58:22 EDT (#)
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Did ETA just say a cold war is better than a hot one?
AND THIS IS THE MAN AGAINST ALL SORTS OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND WASTE???
Dude... That's funny.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:58:21 EDT (#)
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no, it's not. fewer bullets, possibly less death, but far more damage, and all in the name of cowardice. we're still living through the effects of the last one, and that ended over 15 years ago. i'm off, seeya later
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:55:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:43:28 (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 (#)
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'It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.'
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see."
well it's good you'll never amount to anything of significance, since this is exactly how the Cold War was orchestrated.
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A cold war is better than a hot one.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:49:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:34:23 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
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No they are not. They are based on mathematical LAWS. Which are not up for debate. We're not talking about theories.
You can't make up your own reality...
...hmmmm, may have stumbled upon something here.
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You can't make your own reality. You can't escape the modes of logic....UNLESS you do not accept the premises upon which that logic is based. Logic is a castle in the air, supported by nothing more than assumption.
HOWEVER, if you choose to work within the confines of logic, then a problem like the one you previously presented can be solved in multiple ways if the premises upon which the problem is based only call for any logical solution and fail to stipulate, as you did, that only one particular kind of solution is sought, or that such solution is based on a particular mathematical function that determines the value of the difference between each successive number.
Otherwise, I could 'logically' conclude that the answer could be based on the particuar relationship of the shapes involved in the numbers themselves (i.e. straight lines or curved lines), or I could attach some historical significance to the numbers like how many home runs a particular baseball player hit during his career (i.e. Joe Shmoe hit 1,4,9,16, and 25 home runs respectively in his first 5 seasons playing baseball). If Joe Shmoe hit 3 home runs the following year, then one possible answer to you question of pattern would be '3'.
If you're going to tout the virtues of logic, you have to understand it enough to know where it comes from and how it operates. You can't lay out a problem like the one you gave without stipulating the type of answer you're looking for, or precisely how such an answer should be arrive at.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:46:09 EDT (#)
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He still going on an on about this?
OHS NOES! I -2'D HIM AGAIN!
I SHALL BE -2BOMBED TO HELL AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
OHS NOES WHOA IS ME!
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:43:28 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 (#)
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'It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.'
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see."
well it's good you'll never amount to anything of significance, since this is exactly how the Cold War was orchestrated.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:41:01 EDT (#)
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you still have failed to acknowledge my point about how a few posts ago i did nothing but +2 you and you still went back and -2ed my posts.
oh, and your comments on my patriot act post are completely absurd. once again you left the argument when i pointed out that you were retarded. well that, and the fact that you were -2ing it made you a hyppocrit.
and you still have yet to make any sense on your numbers argument.
what does all this mean? you're a lot of fun to argue with because there really is no telling what is going to happen next.
thanks chucko.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:39:14 EDT (#)
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"The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms."
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that quote can be heard in the opening credits for a tv show called numbers.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:37:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:18:21 (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
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The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it."
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do you really not see the problem here? seriously? or are you just ignoring/justifying it through the usual mumbo-jumbo?
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Problem? No. I see absolutely no problem with laying out a clear-cut line in the sand, warning someone not to cross it, detailing the consequences of crossing it, and accepting whatever consequences should be returned upon me as a result of carrying out such consequences.
It's all very basic, you see.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:34:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
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No they are not. They are based on mathematical LAWS. Which are not up for debate. We're not talking about theories.
You can't make up your own reality...
...hmmmm, may have stumbled upon something here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:24:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:16:24 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
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i watch that show numbers too. even though its on friday nights at 10. so what? i'm tired on fridays! i could go out if i wanted!!
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I don't know what you're talking about.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:18:21 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
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The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it."
do you really not see the problem here? seriously? or are you just ignoring/justifying it through the usual mumbo-jumbo?
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:16:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
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i watch that show numbers too. even though its on friday nights at 10. so what? i'm tired on fridays! i could go out if i wanted!!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:09:08 EDT (#)
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you just proved what we've been telling you: math isn't logic. it's based on the same principles, yes. but it isn't logic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:06:44 EDT (#)
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By the way, Oxymoron, patterns are a construct of the brain - an inferance of order based on previously held concepts - and as such, they are subject to perception.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 14:05:16 EDT (#)
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I have disregarded nothing. I stated that math is logic. They are the same basic concept.
Everything to which you can apply logic can be represented in an equasion or a function of some sort. The entire world can be represented in mathematical terms.
Any function of logic is inherently a function of math.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:48:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:37:56 (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 (#)
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
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If you're talking about patterns or code-breaking, you're using inductive reasoning, and multiple correct answers are possible. So, yes, if 3 was logical and I could make a case for it, there are no premises forbidding me from doing so.
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once again, you completely disregard the fact that we've shown you how math is not logic, but that it is 'logical.' fuck, you've even used the term in your response. what do you have to say to that? remember, points for creativity!!!
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:47:08 EDT (#)
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*shakes head*
you completely missed the point.
And 3 can never be an answer with those numbers, only 36.
But if you want to argue about, feel free.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:44:59 EDT (#)
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ok, he's just getting ri-goddamm-diculous now
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:43:31 EDT (#)
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hahahahahhahaha.... holy shit....
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:37:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 (#)
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
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If you're talking about patterns or code-breaking, you're using inductive reasoning, and multiple correct answers are possible. So, yes, if 3 was logical and I could make a case for it, there are no premises forbidding me from doing so.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:35:47 EDT (#)
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OMG I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:26:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:50:19 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 (#)
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No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
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okay, clearly you are hanging onto reality by a very thin thread. math is not logic. it relies on logic, on givens and expected interpretations, but it is not logic. Things like Boolean algebra rely on logic to form valid premises and turn those into sound conclusions. Boolean algebra and things of this nature, however, require that one does not pull data out of context to mean something it does not. which is readily apparent to even method, a casual observer.
are you seeing how you look like a retard to everyone else? i'm not great at explaining things to morons, but i'm trying to break this down into terms you can understand. anyone else have a better way of helping our friend ets out? i know my limitations...
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You're correct. Math is Logical not Logic.
with a pattern like 1,4,9,16,25... logic says that 36 is the next number in the pattern.
ETS' logic says that the next number is 3. As long as he can reason it in his head, it's logic to him.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:09:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564#1248870 -- there's my works cited.
hahaha... momma's boy? coming from the guy that lives in his parent's closet? okay, fine by me.
you're right, i can't afford to shell out the 33,000 dollars a year it costs to go to my college. fuck, i'm such a failure. although, i'm taking out my own loans and paying my parents back the rest when i get a 'real' job as you call it.
what's your profession again? right now i'm coaching two youth soccer teams and taking a full course load. oh, and i volunteer at various university charity events. and i pay my taxes. i know, i'm sure it isn't enough for someone as tight as you, but i'm doing my best.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 13:00:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Method: dictators don't give choices. They just kill first and ask questions later. My rule will be far more benevolent than that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:59:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:55:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
but seriously, please spare me the 'real world' lectures. you're the last person i would consider to be an authority on the subject.
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Says the momma's boy whose parents are paying for his college and doesn't have a real job.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:56:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
OMG!! REAL WORLD HOUSTON IS THE BOMB!!!! LOL!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:55:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:46:20 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's Wardy's choice what he wants to do. That's not childish, Method; that's the way the real world works!
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAH... what could you possibly know about the real world? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A REAL PERSON!!! this is like santa claus trying to tell me what it's like in the north pole.
but seriously, please spare me the 'real world' lectures. you're the last person i would consider to be an authority on the subject.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
or so it seems
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ets is a fuckin nutjob
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
wardy is okay too
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:54:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
method makes me happy
Submitted by Zol (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:53:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WHY? AGAIN
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:52:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So, Hitler Jr., if someone doesn't agree with you, they shall be persecuted, is that how it goes?
Your word is the law, and anyone who says otherwise shall suffer your wrath?
hoooooooo-boy, that thar is some mighty good logic, let me tell you
You sound like an up and coming dictator with delusions of grandeur. Really makes me want to follow you and agree with everything you say!
ETS LOGIC:
Anyone that has a differing opinion than me is wrong. Therefore, logically, EVERYTHING I say is the truth, and I am infallible.
ETS is infallible.
God is infallible.
You are God.
that about sum up what goes on in your head?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:50:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 (#)
Ranking: 0
No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
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okay, clearly you are hanging onto reality by a very thin thread. math is not logic. it relies on logic, on givens and expected interpretations, but it is not logic. Things like Boolean algebra rely on logic to form valid premises and turn those into sound conclusions. Boolean algebra and things of this nature, however, require that one does not pull data out of context to mean something it does not. which is readily apparent to even method, a casual observer.
are you seeing how you look like a retard to everyone else? i'm not great at explaining things to morons, but i'm trying to break this down into terms you can understand. anyone else have a better way of helping our friend ets out? i know my limitations...
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:49:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
WTF, I'm not reading all that...
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:47:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
ets is freaking me out, man.
Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:46:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Your argument is moot, Method.
I have given my ultimatum NUMEROUS times to certain individuals. I give it because reasoned arguments will not thwart their onslaught of mindlessness, so I offer them a very clear choice: start being reasonable and quit following me around and bashing me, or I will return the favor sevenfold.
It's Wardy's choice what he wants to do. That's not childish, Method; that's the way the real world works!
In fact, he's lucky to even have a choice.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:37:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm done arguing with you, you've proven in the past that you are an absolutely worthless, stubborn moron and there is no point arguing with you, regardless of the facts set in front of you.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Let me break it down for you, dipshit.
You post something. Wardy disagrees. He -2's you. It doesn't matter if he -2's you 5000 times on that post, the rating stays the same. You post something else. He disagrees again. -2 again. Fair enough. If you're going to post something, you should expect that NOT EVERYONE will agree with you.
In retaliation, you go back and -2 30 of his old posts that had nothing to do with you or your latest post, nor were they offensive, nor was there any reason for you to -2 them aside from spite and childish revenge. You do the same to me. You do the same to Jgreening. Then you bust out the alter, which I know has been banned now, and do the same.
TELL ME, OH WISE AND LOGICAL ONE, HOW IS THAT THE SAME?
-2ING A FRESH POST ON THE FRONT PAGE AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE POST WITH AN ARGUMENT, IS THE SAME AS GOING BACK AND -2ING THAT GUYS POSTS 30 TIMES????????
AM I TAKING THE CRAZY PILLS? WHAT THE FUCK IS IN THE WATER DOWN THERE??? GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:35:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
No, Wardy, math IS logic.
You're gonna have to do a little better than name-calling to beat me in an argument.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:33:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
your overall rating of me is -1 because some of my posts you've already given me +2's on before, so the average becomes zero on those. simple math would show that this is the case on about half of the posts you've gone back recently to -2. see how that works? good.
i read all your posts and rate them accordingly. for a few of your recent posts i only gave you +2's to see if it would change your attitude and keep you from -2ing some of my old posts. did it work? no. why? because you're a little girl.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:33:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 (#)
Ranking: 0
His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically
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Did you just say someone else doesn't have the capacity to think critically?
ha
HA
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:29:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:17:12 (#)
Ranking: -2
That's bullshit, ETS, if wardy had made as many shit stirring posts as you do, you'd have rated his stuff alot more. Those 30 or so reviews on his posts are straight -2's that you've given him on his posts solely as retaliation BECAUSE HE DISAGREES WITH YOU.
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If they were straight -2s, my overall rating of him wouldn't be just -1, now, would it?
And what the fuck is your point busting out the ratings I've given you? That only helps my point.
The fact is, I will continue to rate Wardy with -2s as long as he continues to do so with me. It's really that simple. His vacuous reviews reveal that he doesn't have the capacity think critically and he doesn't read the posts before he decides to rate them. Therefore, I am justified in what I do, and I will continue to do it. My ultimatum stands: leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It's very very simple. Even kindergarteners can understand it.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:28:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
actually scratch that last one
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:20:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
And if you'll notice, asshole, my overall ratings of your posts is higher than your overall ratings of my posts, so don't even try and pull that shit - if you're going to use numbers and "logic", don't pick and choose what you're going to use. We have access to the same information that you do.
I misread it
smooches, you dumb shit!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:23:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You want a perfect analogy of what I'm talking about?
Go look at this post.
http://ubersite.com/m/69629
now tell me what's wrong with it.
That's EXACTLY what you do, ALL THE TIME.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:22:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:16:43 (#)
Ranking: 0
And you call this vapid review logic?
Where's the 'logic'?
That's right, it was in MY review with the math.
Because math=logic
If you think you have an issue with me, email Bart about it like that pussy, jason greening. See what he says about it.
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haha, yeah method pretty much already said it, but this is too good to pass up. math does not equal logic, it follows logic. holy shit, i'm actually at a loss of how to explain this to you in terms you might actually understand. are you really this dumb? seriously?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:20:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
And if you'll notice, asshole, my overall ratings of your posts is higher than your overall ratings of my posts, so don't even try and pull that shit - if you're going to use numbers and "logic", don't pick and choose what you're going to use. We have access to the same information that you do.
The trap is sprung, indeed. You fucking loser.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:17:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
That's bullshit, ETS, if wardy had made as many shit stirring posts as you do, you'd have rated his stuff alot more. Those 30 or so reviews on his posts are straight -2's that you've given him on his posts solely as retaliation BECAUSE HE DISAGREES WITH YOU. His total number of reviews are higher because he responds to your posts multiple times.
WE WON'T GET INTO THE -2'S YOU'VE GIVEN MYSELF AND WARDY AS YOUR ALTER VENGEANCE, AMONGST OTHERS. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT ONE AS A FREEBIE
How method has rated:
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -148 on 197 = -0.75
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated
Method (user info) -9 on 100 = -0.09
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -56 on 3202 = -0.02
ONCE AGAIN, YOU PICK AND CHOOSE THE INFORMATION YOU WANT TO DISSEMINATE, AND IGNORE THE REST, YOU PIECE OF SHIT. GO FUCK YOURSELF, ASSHOLE, NO ONE FALLS FOR YOUR BULLSHIT
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:16:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:05:15 (#)
Ranking: -2
the fact of the matter is the manner in which you rate my posts, dumbass. surely they teach common sense where you go... wait... where you're from? i don't even know, clearly it doesn't matter. trying to use reason and logic with you is pointless...
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And you call this vapid review logic?
Where's the 'logic'?
That's right, it was in MY review with the math.
Because math=logic
If you think you have an issue with me, email Bart about it like that pussy, jason greening. See what he says about it.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 12:05:15 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
the fact of the matter is the manner in which you rate my posts, dumbass. surely they teach common sense where you go... wait... where you're from? i don't even know, clearly it doesn't matter. trying to use reason and logic with you is pointless...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 11:56:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:45:59 (#)
Ranking: -2
for -2ing all of my posts and numerous other users as well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *The trap is SRUNG!*
I haven't -2d all your posts. In fact, I barely even RATED a FRACTION of your posts:
How electrictoothsyndrome has rated other users
wardy (user info) -39 on 38 = -1.03 <-------------------38 Reviews
Everything you ever wanted to know about wardy
User id: 3889
Registered on or around: 2003-11-26 01:07:58
# Messages posted: 217 <---------------------------------217 Posts
# Reviews written: 3780
# Times these posts have been reviewed : 4506
# Hits: 181104
Average rating of all messages: 0.97
Now, let's look at how you rate me, shall we?
How other users have rated electrictoothsyndrome
wardy (user info) -30 on 270 = -0.11 <------------------270 Reviews
Everything you ever wanted to know about electrictoothsyndrome
User id: 8892
Registered on or around: 2004-05-24 22:55:07
# Messages posted: 271 <-------------------------------------271 Posts
# Reviews written: 9621
# Times these posts have been reviewed : 15049
# Hits: 317221
Average rating of all messages: 1.02
So, I hardly think I'm hounding you, treating you unfairly, or "-2ing all your posts", as you say.
Surely they teach basic math classes at that university you seem to be so PROUD of. It's about time you enroll in some.
PS: my overall rating of your posts basically reflects how I feel about you, Wardy, "I've seen better".
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 11:52:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564 -- this is how you write an argument, retard.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:45:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
for -2ing all of my posts and numerous other users as well.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 10:14:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:18:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
i hope you get banned.
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hahahahaha
For what?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 08:22:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:52:45 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
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Hes a real person for fucks sake, hundreds upon hundreds of people have seen him, he fought against the russians...tried to organise a Jihad against Saddam Hussein...sound familiar.
No 'propaganda machine' controls everything. There is no way Bin Laden could possibly be a fake person and I seriously doubt that the first video was 'prooved' to be a different person.
Wheres your proof.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-18 08:06:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 (#)
Ranking: -2
hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
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In the spirit of patriotism I'm forced to inform you that it was a British teacher who had been to Ganjistan that pointed out that he could tell where it was filmed to about 50 miles.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-18 04:41:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Fuck
This
Kid
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:18:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
i hope you get banned.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 03:03:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:57:38 (#)
Ranking: 2
in all reality, I only give this because the author said he revels in negative ratings.
oh yeah, that and I agree on the whole "far right think tanks are full of self righteous assholes who only want to establish a theocracy in the united states"
maybe that's not what he said, but he did mention think tanks....
right?
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Hey....
Talk to me for a second. Don't talk to them.
This is what makes all the difference.
Do you that what I've written here is true?
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:57:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
in all reality, I only give this because the author said he revels in negative ratings.
oh yeah, that and I agree on the whole "far right think tanks are full of self righteous assholes who only want to establish a theocracy in the united states"
maybe that's not what he said, but he did mention think tanks....
right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-18 02:40:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
At this point, I have learned to revel in negative ratings. They are my life-blood. Without them, I am just another cow in a herd. I hope one day you will all see it. For those that do, I only hope you vote - because, who knows, I could be wrong and this might not resort to blows.
I hope.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-04-17 22:21:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
cinder calhoun
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-04-17 19:00:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:12:47 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
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Why? Because it's the only thing in life you'll ever win, including a debate with me.
Off you go. """
you fucking loser.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:52:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
sorry doom code, i'll stop.
and sorry filthy for sounding like an ass just then, i'm more worried about ets and whatever grand plans he'd have for the use of such information. i go to a very good university (which is interchangable with your universities, we have two year colleges as well, but those are usually called 'community colleges' or 'tech schools') but nothing along the lines of ivy league. but yeah, i hope that answers your question.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:47:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:33:44 (#)
Ranking: -2
filthy, i'm in college. you don't need to know which one.
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Over here college is somewhere you go for two years before university. Are the two terms interchangeable in the states?
Why so defensive about giving me the name? It's not like I could or would want to put the information to any devious use. I'm just curious dude - you seem to bring up the fact that you've done nothing but write papers for four years a lot, and throw around a lot of criticism of people who only have a highschool education, so I figured you went to some ivy league major kudos place.
I'll give you the name of mine if you like.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:37:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:33:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
filthy, i'm in college. you don't need to know which one. ets, i'm not going to waste my time with you anymore. all of your arguments end up circular because you never end up answering any of the gaping holes that are poked into them. keep thinking you're tight, it seems like it's gotten you real far in life.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:12:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
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Why? Because it's the only thing in life you'll ever win, including a debate with me.
Off you go.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No, the question is the thing with the question mark after it. Clues in the name, you know.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:32 (#)
Ranking: 2
...I was under the impression you were at university.
You are, aren't you? Or have I just made that up? Which one?....
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:08:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
opinion and thesis are practically interchangable, especially in the manner that ets presents them.
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Prove it.
Again, where are you getting all these absurd opinions?!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:11:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
but enough of this, i'm going to go play some crash bandicoot 2 for playstation. why? because i kick ass.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:10:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:02:18 (#)
Ranking: -2
that argument proves nothing ets, we've already covered that. all you're saying is that i can't trust anything i haven't seen in person. by that logic almost nothing is verifiable, which is completely absurd...
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Oh yea? PROVE it.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:08:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
opinion and thesis are practically interchangable, especially in the manner that ets presents them.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:04:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I asked a question wardy - http://www.ubersite.com/m/86710#1937094
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 18:02:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
that argument proves nothing ets, we've already covered that. all you're saying is that i can't trust anything i haven't seen in person. by that logic almost nothing is verifiable, which is completely absurd...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:53:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Third time's a charm....
We can only hope.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:52:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
Ranking: 0
It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:47:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:55 (#)
Ranking: -2
you're right, i can't possibly begin to make sense to someone who barely has a high school diploma.
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Now that's not hypocritical at all. Nor is it the LEAST bit elitist.
You're so hopelessly obtuse, it's really sad. Makes me thank god I didn't go to college longer.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:45:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Really solidifies your faith in the American school system doesn't it, Kathy.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
you're right, i can't possibly begin to make sense to someone who barely has a high school diploma. what do i know about writing research papers other than it's the vast majority of what i've been doing for the last four years of my life.
you still have yet to explain to me using any pattern of logic why i was wrong about the osama videos. it's okay, i didn't expect you to...
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:44:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:32:40 (#)
Ranking: -2
seeing as how he's claiming to be the voice of 'truth' and the authority on these subjects, he's the one that should be worried about the strength of his sources. come on filthy, i know you're only one small part of his many personalities, but try and keep up.
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He's voicing his opinion on a website, not submitting a thesis. You seem to have some difficulty understanding the difference between the two, which amuses me because I was under the impression you were at university.
You are, aren't you? Or have I just made that up? Which one? I don't even know what country you're in.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:41:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge,
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Because a 'source' isn't a base of knowledge.
*rolls eyes and pukes*
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:34:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:31:39 (#)
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Still? No wardy, I was his alter but then one day I magically took on human form and started living out in the world like a real boy. Getting a social security number was a bitch. Try again.
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i thought you were a girl... you're wierd...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:32:40 EDT (#)
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seeing as how he's claiming to be the voice of 'truth' and the authority on these subjects, he's the one that should be worried about the strength of his sources. come on filthy, i know you're only one small part of his many personalities, but try and keep up.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:31:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:23:39 (#)
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filthy, are you still one of brad's alters?
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Still? No wardy, I was his alter but then one day I magically took on human form and started living out in the world like a real boy. Getting a social security number was a bitch. Try again.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:29:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge, but realistically no encyclopedia should be used as a source in a research paper. like i said, it's the equivalent of using a dictionary.
was that funny enough for you?
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And who here is writing a research paper? Last I checked we were bullshitting on a website designed for people who are bored at work.
And no, that wasn't funny enough. But I have faith little one, keep going.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:23:39 EDT (#)
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filthy, are you still one of brad's alters?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:22:28 EDT (#)
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i'm saying it's not okay to use as your research sources. yeah, it's okay to get a base of knowledge, but realistically no encyclopedia should be used as a source in a research paper. like i said, it's the equivalent of using a dictionary.
was that funny enough for you?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:19:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:14:22 (#)
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for definitions it's okay, dipshit. for research it is generally considered to be unacceptable -- just like i can't use a dictionary as a source on my post-modern brit lit papers. goddammit you're a fucking moron.
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So it's possible that wikipedia content is wrong or misleading, unless that content happens to be a definition. Uh-huh. Because THAT makes sense.
You're pretty funny wardy. Say more things.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:14:22 EDT (#)
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for definitions it's okay, dipshit. for research it is generally considered to be unacceptable -- just like i can't use a dictionary as a source on my post-modern brit lit papers. goddammit you're a fucking moron.
but way to not respond again.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:12:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:00:26 (#)
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A straw man (or straw dog[1]) argument is a rhetorical technique based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted. -- wikipedia.com
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WIKIPEDIA!?!?!?
Fucking hypocrite.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:03:25 EDT (#)
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maybe it was more of a slippery slope argument than a straw man... i guess it had elements of both... sorry...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 17:00:26 EDT (#)
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A straw man (or straw dog[1]) argument is a rhetorical technique based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted. -- wikipedia.com
all you did was answer me by arguing that i have no idea what bin laden really looks like. WOW ETS THAT'S FUCKING MIND BLOWING!!!! I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHAQ LOOKS LIKE OR EVEN THE PRESIDENT HOLY SHIT OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you dumbass, even if that was the case, then they still would have no reason to stop putting out videos of bin laden, which is what i said. you didn't refute that, all you did was completely misdirect my comment away from what i said in order to weaken it. god you're retarded.
i'm really glad i've never met you in person...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:54:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:12 (#)
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whoops, didn't see that you'd responded. either way, you talk about a straw man argument, that's the epitome of one. go take a logic course at your local community college or something, and then come back.
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Do you even know what a straw man is? I don't even NEED one with idiots like you around. You set them up for me.
Your comebacks are getting more and more pathetic, by the way. I think that deserves a couple -2s.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:41:04 (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
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Nancy Grace makes my fucking skin crawl with disgust. Her over-the-top "TONIGHT! LIVE! WE. HAVE. THE. VIDEO! THE LATEST ON THE STUNNING DOUBLE MURDER MYSTERY."
ahhhhhhhhhhhh Kill me now.
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She is a drama mama, but I know a sure way to "put the gag order" on her. Ahhh, and then I'D have THE VIDEO.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:51:12 EDT (#)
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whoops, didn't see that you'd responded. either way, you talk about a straw man argument, that's the epitome of one. go take a logic course at your local community college or something, and then come back.
holy shit dude. holy shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:50:57 EDT (#)
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This has nothing to do with my watching TV.
In fact, none of this shit is ON TV. That's why I'm saying it here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:49:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 (#)
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It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:34 EDT (#)
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no answer? why am i not surprised...
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:14 EDT (#)
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i think i figured out your problem man.
its tv...stop watching tv
I don't care what's on, it will rot your brain
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:48:09 EDT (#)
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It's really simple Wardy.
The first video the government put out after 9/11, the infamous confession tape, has been analyzed for facial proportions and found NOT to be the same man as in other Bin Laden videos.
They made a tactical mistake using a double.
Think about it... How do you know what Bin Laden looks like? That's right, you really don't. With the exception of what the people at Al-Jazeera and other news agencies (which are controlled by the same propaganda machine that controls everything else) show us, we don't have a CLUE what the man looks like.
Following this path of logic, unless you've actually MET a person, what is there but pieces of paper, or photographs, or stories of their exploits to testify to their existence?
If Bin Laden is a Goldstein - a completely fabricated enemy used to instill fear and hatred in the population, thus keeping the economy and the will of the people under the thumbs of the few - it would only make sense to stop creating videos (you yourself admitted are more INCRIMINATING).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:41:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
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Nancy Grace makes my fucking skin crawl with disgust. Her over-the-top "TONIGHT! LIVE! WE. HAVE. THE. VIDEO! THE LATEST ON THE STUNNING DOUBLE MURDER MYSTERY."
ahhhhhhhhhhhh Kill me now.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:32 EDT (#)
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that doesn't even make sense.... but please explain to me why i'm wrong, rather than just insulting me. i mean, you are supposed to be showing me the truth, right? so tell me why i'm wrong, please.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:39:18 EDT (#)
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I'll boycott all but Nancy Grace's hot MILF southern drawl, bitch could make a dead man rise with just a single "y'all". Goddamnit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:35:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
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You are a fucking retard. And I don't mean that in a "haha, look at the funny retard" kind of way.
I mean RE-TARD. Like you were tarded once, but just had to be tarded again.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:34:24 EDT (#)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285482188969118384&q=osama+bin+laden&pl=true -- i don't see any curtains in this one. keep digging...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:32:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:05:37 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:00:56 (#)
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hey douche mccallister, bin laden stopped sending out video tapes of himself because after his first or second one following the 9/11 attacks, the media began reporting that the pentagon was using geologists to determine where the cave rocks were from in the background of said tapes. seeing as how he didn't want to get caught, he no longer uses video because he doesn't want to give the u.s. clues.
way to forget shit again, dipshit.
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Uh, wouldn't you just have put up a curtain and taped in front of that? It's not like the muslim fraternity could be accused of having a shortage of cloth....
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He had curtains up in all the videos I've seen.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:31:23 EDT (#)
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relax cunty, i was joking. but it does disprove his theory that osama is just someone created by the neo-cons because if he was, they wouldn't have a reason to stop creating the videos. as far as having more credibility with videos, i don't think the al-qaeda folk really give a shit about whether or not it is osama spitting off america-hate rhymes anymore than if it was some average joe. but that's just what i think.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:27:41 EDT (#)
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100 reviews. woo
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:24:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
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Any video will give clues, but it also gives whatever is said a lot more credence - surely you'd have to weigh the potential security risk with the fact that video will always be more convincing than audio. What possible evidence of location could you get from a tape of a man standing in front of a curtain? Maybe the make of the video camera, time of day if it was outside....what else? It's not exactly GPS co-ordinates, is it?
I don't personally suspect the videos of being faked because honestly I haven't given it any thought, but even with my childlike understanding of technology, I'm pretty sure you haven't even come close to debunking anything with your comment there. You said it was because they were using the rocks to narrow down a list of possible locations, and I came up with a ridiculously obvious and simple solution to that problem. So now you come back with the conveniently vague "any videos gives clues - HAHA! DEBUNKED!"
Just like the man you love to hate, you'd find people much more open to your ideas if you didn't come across as so needlessly self-congratulatory. Makes you seem rather ignorant.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:14:29 EDT (#)
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perhaps filthy, but any video at all still gives clues. i'm just saying why he stopped sending out the videos, that's all. if the neo-cons really had *created* the videos, there would be no reason for them to stop producing them, now would there? therefore, once again ets' looney theory is debunked.
i rock. pizza time.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-17 16:05:37 EDT (#)
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