Eisenhower's Speech on the Military Industrial Complex (with commentary) (1716 hits)
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Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
[Commentary in brackets.]
My fellow Americans:
Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.
This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.
Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.
Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.
My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.
In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.
II.
We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
III.
Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. ***Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.***
[***Here I think Ike is romanticizing, somewhat, the American responsibility of preserving freedom abroad, thus he is paradoxically supporting the very idea upon which the military industrial complex through government contracts and corruption has built its vast blood empire.]
Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.
Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
***But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.***
[***Here, Ike urges balance as a central virtue of government and highlights the necessity not to live beyond our means as a nation. See figure 1 at the bottom. Note how our country started to get on the right track in the 1990s after the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the end of Desert Storm. Note, also, how no major conflicts were engaged in during the Clinton administration, where the same cannot be said for the past two Bush presidents. Also note that the current president has added more to our national deficit (both declared and UNdeclared) than all 42 previous presidents COMBINED! This is precisely what Ike so prudently warned us against some 45 years ago.]
The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.
IV.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
***In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.***
[***Today, the American government spends more than 50 cents of every dollar on its military. The pressure on congressmen, senators, and especially presidents to justify this spending by identifying an enemy and utilizing our military might in demonstrable ways is enormous. Our country's military spending dwarfs that of other nations, accounting for 47% of the world's TOTAL military spending in 2003. That means we spent almost as much alone as every other nation on the face of the earth COMBINED. See figure 2 below.]
***We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.***
[***Here, Ike touches on another major problem we face in America today - an alert and knowledgable citizenry. The vast military industrial complex is currently supplemented by a friendly and diversionary media that focuses more on the latest news sensations than it does on actual facts and figures that are relevant to the issues discussed here - issues that lie at the very CORE of our way of life. And, as in the case of cable news networks such as Fox News, entire news organizations present news that is biased to skew the viewer toward one side of any given issue.]
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. ***Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.*** For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
[***In fact, the intellectual community has become a natural extention of the military industrial complex in that the government funds these institutions only insofar as they have something meaningful to offer for its military purposes in most cases. In this way, new discoveries become the property, not of private investors with a product in mind, but of the federal government to be used and abused to its own militaristic ends. The threat of cutting funding also ensures that intellectuals, scientists, and researchers operating out of government-funded institutions are less likely to dissent from an official government position on highly important and pressing issues such as global warming.]
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
V.
***Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.***
[***I don't know if Ike could have forseen our current world situation in its totality, but this paragraph echoes many of our current concerns about the environment, oil supplies, pollution, climate change, conservation, and depletion of our natural resources such as our forests. This is the greatest problem humanity has ever faced and its implication are epochal in the sense that our very survival as a species is at stake, and it will require all available resources and participation of every nation on the planet to fix. To neglect this issue at this crucial time would not only be imprudent, it would be fateful.]
VI.
***Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.***
[***It's as if Ike has been reading the newspapers (or my emo posts) for the past 5 years! The accuracy of this part of Mr. Eisenhower's farewell speech is undoubtedly the result of his extensive military and public service experience and an uncanny foresight and wisdom. If Ike were alive today, judging from his words here, he would agree with me about the current situation in Iran. He would insist that a "confederation of equals" cannot include the exclusion of a country - for reasons of politics or fear - from enjoying the same rights we have afforded ourselves and others. He would acknowledge Iran's right to engage in research and development of a peaceful nuclear power system for its people while engaging in talks that promote a "mutual trust and respect" with the Iranian government to ensure they understood the grave responsibility that becoming a nuclear power entails. In the current world political climate, the "conference table" is presided over by those countries with nuclear power, weakening the diplomatic process and creating an environment of distrust and fear.]
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
VII.
So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.
You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.
To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:
***We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.***
[***Amen, brother Ike. We could use someone like you right now.]
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You ask me to become an investigative reporter then say all I do is whine.
I consider half of what I have written here lately investigative reporting. I'm reporting the results of my reading and investigation into important issues to the uber public. How is that not investigative reporting???
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I hear what you're saying Icarus. I have a plan that I think could go a long way toward helping us overcome our problems in the world, a plan that makes sense on so many fronts as to be obvious. Yet, I don't see people willing to put faith in it UNLESS the government adopted the plan and made it known worldwide...then it would be popular and would bring about world peace. I'll post about it when the time is right and the spirit moves me.
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So you've come up with a concrete plan to bring about world peace, end suffering and the environmental degredation, and generate a quasi-utopian society. If you've got enough gray matter to schneider every philosopher, social worker and tinpot dictator since the beginning of time, I would think you could come up with a way to convince a few politicians that it would be in their best interests to execute it. Any cult leader could come up with some lame sound bites about a mystical panacea they will bring to light in the obscure future "when the time is right and the spirit moves [them]."
Seriously, if you're concerned about the environment, get out there and invest in green funds, start a preserve, or volunteer your time at an animal rehab center or with a local phenology project. They're always looking for people. If you're concerned about corruption, run for office or become an investigative reporter. I don't have a ton of cash, but I landscaped my backyard to promote native species, invest ethically, and donate to causes I believe in. The lamest cop out, the worst excuse, is that there's nothing you can do but whine.
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You ask me to become an investigative reporter then say all I do is whine.
I consider half of what I have written here lately investigative reporting. I'm reporting the results of my reading and investigation into important issues to the uber public. How is that not investigative reporting???
Just because I'm not asking for money from you or culling revenues from advertising while doing it doesn't make it any less 'reporting'.
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I hear what you're saying Icarus. I have a plan that I think could go a long way toward helping us overcome our problems in the world, a plan that makes sense on so many fronts as to be obvious. Yet, I don't see people willing to put faith in it UNLESS the government adopted the plan and made it known worldwide...then it would be popular and would bring about world peace. I'll post about it when the time is right and the spirit moves me.
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So you've come up with a concrete plan to bring about world peace, end suffering and the environmental degredation, and generate a quasi-utopian society. If you've got enough gray matter to schneider every philosopher, social worker and tinpot dictator since the beginning of time, I would think you could come up with a way to convince a few politicians that it would be in their best interests to execute it. Any cult leader could come up with some lame sound bites about a mystical panacea they will bring to light in the obscure future "when the time is right and the spirit moves [them]."
Seriously, if you're concerned about the environment, get out there and invest in green funds, start a preserve, or volunteer your time at an animal rehab center or with a local phenology project. They're always looking for people. If you're concerned about corruption, run for office or become an investigative reporter. I don't have a ton of cash, but I landscaped my backyard to promote native species, invest ethically, and donate to causes I believe in. The lamest cop out, the worst excuse, is that there's nothing you can do but whine.
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again our politics are similar, however, I am not insane, I am reasonably intelligent and I have a life, career and real, i.e. not E-L-E-C-T-R-O-N-I-C girlfriend.
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Oxymoron: You might have already gotten all of what I just said. I just wanted to be sure so you and no one else was confused or thought you had 'debunked' the graph I posted, when, in fact, you supported it.
Again, I *think* you already know that, but the casual reader is just gonna look at that and say "A-HA! I KNEW that ETS was wrong!" when I really wasn't.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 23:54:17 EDT (#)
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Oxymoron: Do you understand what you just looked at? That website is supporting my point. Look at this page: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
That's what you get when you click on the link that says "here is the REAL graph" at the top. That graph was created from the very information on the whitehouse.gov website, using their OWN criteria.
Bush's argument is that the economy is strong and that the national deficit numbers can't be understood unless looked at as a percentage of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
What the website is trying to show you there is how the Bush webpage is intentionally misleading people with bad graphs. That link you gave me is the page with the BAD graph they're using as an example.
Then they go on to show you how, even using Bush's own criteria, he's wrong in his assertions that the national deficit is declining. (As if!)
Notice how the declining lines are in BLUE and the increase in national debt is in RED? That indicates how misleading the information is on Bush's whitehouse.gov website is. That site right there is SUPPORTING what I'm saying, and, in fact, what you're trying to be cautious against, which is misleading graphs.
Notice how the red lines start at the Reagan era and stop at Clinton? That's because Clinton actually DECREASED the deficit and got us back in the black for a couple years in the late 90s. This is also illustrated nicely in the graph I posted here.
Then along comes Bush, and he drives the economy wrecklessly into deficit. The confusing part is (and this is the part that casual readers won't understand) how can the economy be 'growing' and yet the deficit is growing? That's because we're borrowing more and more money to keep the economy afloat. This is living on borrowed time.
Don't be confused by the numbers and the concepts. Understand it first, THEN make an informed judgement. I'll do a post about it to illustrate how the economy works next.
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-04-24 18:50:54 (#)
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You have a lot of pretty soundbites about moderation and the fraternity of man, but, like most extremists of any vein, you lack specifics. Most people don't want war, or corruption, or global warming, but what specific steps do we take to get from the imperfect world we live in to the utopia in your imagination?
I personally think that President Jr. and his cadre of whackjob fundie ultra-conservatives will be remembered as the biggest douches in American history. But you know what? The liberals aren't doing much better right now. For all their talk of peace and moral superiority, they're too lazy to get off their fucking asses and form a solid plan.
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I have a plan.
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Of course you do.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-24 22:11:58 EDT (#)
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I came, I Googled, I found....
http://zfacts.com/p/55.html
Now, I will believe this. It has all it's sources, all of the correct content and, it's from an unbiased party.
I was never arguing the increase in deficit with the Bush Admn. Just wanted some numbers I could believe. I do realize that you just wanted a "pretty" picture to show...just erase the source next time.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 21:52:21 EDT (#)
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Look, you can google "budget deficit" and get similar graphs from about a million different sources. I chose that one because it was one of the prettiest I saw.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 21:49:36 EDT (#)
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Who cares who prepared the fucking graph if the numbers are true?
It's the national budget deficit. Pretty damn simple.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-24 21:48:24 EDT (#)
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You say that like you know where they got the figures. That other graph is also partisan. The Democratic Staff of the House Budget Commitee prepared it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 21:39:57 EDT (#)
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But you're forgetting that the war is mostly undeclared spending. It's not even considered in the main budget.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-24 21:29:48 EDT (#)
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I'm too tired to read this with as much attention as it may deserve. So I'll rate it later.
But, the graph of military spending appears at first glance to drastically misrepresent/underestimate China's military spending...it also doesn't represent an average spending, the graph represents the years 2003-2005. We're at war, obviously we're spending a shit load more than in peacetime, unlike most of the other nations on there.
No one except China's ruler can say exactly how much they spend. It's not public record like our's is.
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I hear what you're saying Icarus. I have a plan that I think could go a long way toward helping us overcome our problems in the world, a plan that makes sense on so many fronts as to be obvious. Yet, I don't see people willing to put faith in it UNLESS the government adopted the plan and made it known worldwide...then it would be popular and would bring about world peace. I'll post about it when the time is right and the spirit moves me.
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-24 19:22:04 (#)
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ETS, do you even know why everyone hates you so much? I've gone over this with you before but you obviously didn't pay attention or didn't get what I said so I'll explain it again.
It's not because you're a genius or they just can't see the truth or whatever else you think the reasons are. It's because you shove your points into our faces and expect us to just accept whatever you say. You're always going on about how you hate that we're all sheep and we blindly follow along with the rest of the crowd but you only say that because we're not following you. You want us all to think for ourselves but only if we're agreeing with you. How does that make any sense?
You say you like a friendly debate but when people question what you have to say or prove you wrong, you throw a temper tantrum. It doesn't help you or your cause at all when you start slamming other people. How can you expect anyone to listen to your points when you're not willing to listen to anyone else's or accept the fact that you're not always right?
Then again, this may all just be an act to get more hits and be #1 MVA! on a stupid fucking website that means nothing in the real world. If that's the case, you're even more pathetic and retarded than everyone thinks.
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Where did I not listen to someone on this post? Where was I needlessly mean or arrogant toward someone who wasn't mean or arrogant toward me first? Show me on this post. Link me to the review.
What pisses me off about people here is that you're just following along with what everyone else EXPECTS you to think, particularly with regard to your high school mentality on who's 'cool' and who's not.
I would like you to think for yourselves, but not if that means simply disregarding the ample evidence I've given to support my arguments. Indoninja made an excellent point about Eisenhower on this post and his involvement with the Iranian coup of 1953 and I conceded that he had a good point and said I'd read up on it a little. Then after a little reading, of which all pointed to the CIA and the British SIS as the main movers and shakers behind the deal, I concluded that if Eisenhower signed off on it, it was the kind of activity in which he definitely saw potential for future abuse judging by his words in this speech at the end of his tenure 7 years later.
People live and people learn and people admit mistakes and move on. Problem is, I seem to be about the only person here (at least among those that review my posts) willing to do those things.
It really is as if none of you read a word I say sometimes. It's like I'm talking to myself, which is fine; I'm used to it.
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-04-24 18:50:54 (#)
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You have a lot of pretty soundbites about moderation and the fraternity of man, but, like most extremists of any vein, you lack specifics. Most people don't want war, or corruption, or global warming, but what specific steps do we take to get from the imperfect world we live in to the utopia in your imagination?
I personally think that President Jr. and his cadre of whackjob fundie ultra-conservatives will be remembered as the biggest douches in American history. But you know what? The liberals aren't doing much better right now. For all their talk of peace and moral superiority, they're too lazy to get off their fucking asses and form a solid plan.
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I have a plan.
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According to your past posts, that plan is to shoot everyone in power in the face, and we all know how well that's worked in the past, Robespierre. I'm a moderately liberal quasi-minority (good part Ojibwa.) I agree with many of your stances, including the environment, so I shouldn't be a hard sell. Give me a plan that has a reasonable chance of success.
I think part of your issue is that you've gone so far into left field you can no longer think in realistic terms. I think it's often easier to think (and convince people to hear your thoughts) in extremes than it is to think in moderation - just look at talk radio hosts like Rosh Limbaugh.
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-24 19:22:04 EDT (#)
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ETS, do you even know why everyone hates you so much? I've gone over this with you before but you obviously didn't pay attention or didn't get what I said so I'll explain it again.
It's not because you're a genius or they just can't see the truth or whatever else you think the reasons are. It's because you shove your points into our faces and expect us to just accept whatever you say. You're always going on about how you hate that we're all sheep and we blindly follow along with the rest of the crowd but you only say that because we're not following you. You want us all to think for ourselves but only if we're agreeing with you. How does that make any sense?
You say you like a friendly debate but when people question what you have to say or prove you wrong, you throw a temper tantrum. It doesn't help you or your cause at all when you start slamming other people. How can you expect anyone to listen to your points when you're not willing to listen to anyone else's or accept the fact that you're not always right?
Then again, this may all just be an act to get more hits and be #1 MVA! on a stupid fucking website that means nothing in the real world. If that's the case, you're even more pathetic and retarded than everyone thinks.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 18:52:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-04-24 18:50:54 (#)
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You have a lot of pretty soundbites about moderation and the fraternity of man, but, like most extremists of any vein, you lack specifics. Most people don't want war, or corruption, or global warming, but what specific steps do we take to get from the imperfect world we live in to the utopia in your imagination?
I personally think that President Jr. and his cadre of whackjob fundie ultra-conservatives will be remembered as the biggest douches in American history. But you know what? The liberals aren't doing much better right now. For all their talk of peace and moral superiority, they're too lazy to get off their fucking asses and form a solid plan.
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I have a plan.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-04-24 18:50:54 EDT (#)
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You have a lot of pretty soundbites about moderation and the fraternity of man, but, like most extremists of any vein, you lack specifics. Most people don't want war, or corruption, or global warming, but what specific steps do we take to get from the imperfect world we live in to the utopia in your imagination?
I personally think that President Jr. and his cadre of whackjob fundie ultra-conservatives will be remembered as the biggest douches in American history. But you know what? The liberals aren't doing much better right now. For all their talk of peace and moral superiority, they're too lazy to get off their fucking asses and form a solid plan.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-24 17:42:58 EDT (#)
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So what exactly is the difference between tool and APC?
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-04-24 17:23:37 EDT (#)
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Eisenhower was one of the best presidents this country ever had
He fully understood the pitfalls and downside of armed conflict, if it involved US troops,
anywhere in the World
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 17:17:41 EDT (#)
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I have not listened to the next Tool album yet but I'm willing to bet it will be another makerting stunt.
This band have been very good at recycling their music over and over. Some riffs are even identical from one album to another.
Couple that with vague angry lyrics about some unspoken malaise which supposedly contain a dark secret whose meaning is claimed by each pseudo-intellectual Tool fan who think they are unique. "Maynard talked to me!"
Their music are just long whiny 3-chords (thanks to Adam Jones lack of skills) mantras. Kinda like yours but in your case it's a lack of vocal skills.
I used to like them but I realized that Tool is just emo metal and is a complete rip off. Their official site kinda confirm that. They got that "Tool Army" going and they keep referring to their magick powers so 13-years old will idolize them further more.
I actually wrote them about their crafty plans (I was just fucking around) and told them they were just a darker version of a boys band, which is perfect for insecure teenagers who want to feel badass. Surprisingly, I got an answer and a pretty defensive one. The next day the front page said: "Today, I will be answering emails and maybe we'll recieve another mean email from France." What a bunch of fucking idiot. They removed it when I informed them that .ca is actually Canada. Americans and geography... :-D
I do like "A Perfect Circle". The songs are actually DIFFERENT and have melodies.
And the Goo Goo Dolls too. They make me weep like I haven't wept since that first cock was thrusted into me...WHOA! WTF?!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:47:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:43:02 (#)
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I don't know man, all I saw is that you steal music on the Internet (10,000 days) and were chatting with your briton internet-wife-to-be. Do you jerkoff cam-to-cam at work?
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Yes I do.
And I'm buying the new Tool album when it comes out. I try to support the bands I love. Besides, their artwork is worth having.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:43:41 EDT (#)
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you're in this post: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86918 btw
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:43:02 EDT (#)
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I don't know man, all I saw is that you steal music on the Internet (10,000 days) and were chatting with your briton internet-wife-to-be. Do you jerkoff cam-to-cam at work?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:33:27 EDT (#)
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http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/stocks.jpg
That is in 6 weeks.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:16:35 EDT (#)
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Actually, ETS was reading and checking his Yahoo portfolio while BLDP jumped 22% in one day and made oodles of money. """
Sure you did...hahahhahaha
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 16:14:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 15:47:52 (#)
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Apparently Caul is curious about my job. It sucks. I hate it. I support dialup and broadband internet, meaning I speak to some of the dumbest people on the planet on a daily basis. I have to reset passwords for idiots like Caul who don't think they're important enough to remember. I troubleshoot connectivity issues and the like. It's pretty fucking redundant and soul-sucking. It's a big reason why I'm such an asshole.
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That explains a lot. You ask the world to change but you can't even find a happy niche for yourself. How lame.
As for "idiots like Caul who forget they're password", I need dozens of different users and password for all kinds of tools, all of which must be changed at different intervals. Now if I had fuck all to do, I would probably keep a close look at those but since I don't, little overpaid technician bitches with no responsabilities like yourself should stfu and do what you're required to do for one single minute.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 15:47:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 15:13:19 (#)
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Whenever ETS goes for a period of time without responding, he's googling all the facts he didn't know about that people have thrown at him and made him look retarded.
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Actually, ETS was reading and checking his Yahoo portfolio while BLDP jumped 22% in one day and made oodles of money.
I have no qualms about using google whatsoever. It's just like any other reference resource, you have to know what you're looking for. I'd rather get my facts right than be nit-picked to death because I was one number off. But, alas, no one has really said anything for me to respond to.
Apparently Caul is curious about my job. It sucks. I hate it. I support dialup and broadband internet, meaning I speak to some of the dumbest people on the planet on a daily basis. I have to reset passwords for idiots like Caul who don't think they're important enough to remember. I troubleshoot connectivity issues and the like. It's pretty fucking redundant and soul-sucking. It's a big reason why I'm such an asshole.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 15:13:19 EDT (#)
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Whenever ETS goes for a period of time without responding, he's googling all the facts he didn't know about that people have thrown at him and made him look retarded
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 15:03:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Where is ETS? I was enjoying reading this fucking clown.
Maybe he's busy.
I wonder what the tasks of an Internet Support Technician consist of.
I suppose it's an euphemism for male secretary.
So what do you do ETS? Do you fetch the coffee, fill staplers, write memos in the cafeteria to keep the micro-waves clean, relocate workstations, prepare neat powerpoint how-to's and procedures for the dumb 40 years old bitches who can't use simple tools, jerk off in the building's isolate bathroom thinking about your cyber-fiance in england?!
What is it that you do exactly? Because there are hardware support technicians here and they don't much except reseting my password whenever I forget it and trying to impress new coming consultants when they activate their accounts, so I have a hard time imagining that an INTERNET support technician does any work.
Perhaps your complete lack of life achievement is the reason behind your anxiety and depression. The sensation of having accomplished something is a great serotonin source after all. And like they say, work is the dignity of man.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 14:50:15 EDT (#)
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The coup was planned and carried out by the CIA. Eisenhower was relying on their advice when he signed off on it. Besides, there is a long time between 1953 and 1961 when he made this speech. A lot had happened. Sputnik was launched. Cuba had a new regime. And I think Eisenhower saw the writing on the wall by that time.
The Bay of Pigs, the assassination of his successor, Kennedy (probably perpetrated with the blessing of the military industrial moguls), and the subsequent war in Vietnam were already close on the horizon. I believe Eisenhower's message is still valid since the same complex is what keeps us at war at regular intervals.
A learned man is always learning. Don't forget that.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:53:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:46:59 (#)
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Funny, I don't seem to recall you ever so much as MENTIONING the coup of 1953 prior to me doing it a couple weeks back. I just acknowledged you had a point earlier. That still doesn't negate the truth of this speech.
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So you taught me about the coup?
Hahaha!!!
It is funny that you made a post about it a few weeks ago but already seem to have forgotten about it, or at least forgotten about Eisenhowers involvement in it? Gee you really are smart and have a clear understanding of history.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:46:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:41:27 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:31:16 (#)
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No, George, if I goad him into an argument, it's to knock him down again and again if for no other reason than you insulted my intelligence by suggesting he could even hold his own with me.
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Hold his own with you?
A high school kid with rudimentary understanding of the Cold war and a basic familiarity with the Truman doctrine fills your argument with holes.
Your argument is based, flimsily, on one speech and flies in the face of years of actions by eisenhower.
You are an idiot who has no understanding of history and tries to impose your naive and ignorant political beliefs on people who don't agree with you and if they ever met you in all likely hood would not like you.
Take a shower.
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Funny, I don't seem to recall you ever so much as MENTIONING the coup of 1953 prior to me doing it a couple weeks back. I just acknowledged you had a point earlier. That still doesn't negate the truth of this speech.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:41:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:31:16 (#)
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No, George, if I goad him into an argument, it's to knock him down again and again if for no other reason than you insulted my intelligence by suggesting he could even hold his own with me.
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Hold his own with you?
A high school kid with rudimentary understanding of the Cold war and a basic familiarity with the Truman doctrine fills your argument with holes.
Your argument is based, flimsily, on one speech and flies in the face of years of actions by eisenhower.
You are an idiot who has no understanding of history and tries to impose your naive and ignorant political beliefs on people who don't agree with you and if they ever met you in all likely hood would not like you.
Take a shower.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:36:24 EDT (#)
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Okay, I just saw this review on an old post of yours
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Submitted by Viper_04 (user info) at 2006-02-14 01:36:15 (#)
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China couldn't possibly become the world's next superpower. The US wouldn't allow it and could simply block pretty much all its attempts.
China's growth is currently fuelled by 2 main factors. One being the pump-priming of the economy by the Chinese government, which has lead to severe fiscal deficit and cannot possibly be maintained. Second is Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), which is fuelling the Chinese Export industry. The largest source of investment to China is the US, if it were blocked China would fall flat on its face as its economy simply couldn't handle the loss of finance.
Although this would come at great expense to both the American and world economy we know that the US would be more than willing to take such drastic measures to prevent another country from becoming the world's next superpower.
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This guy? He's dumbder than you.
Thats about as much as you've got.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:36:11 EDT (#)
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hahahahahaahah
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:33:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:31:16 (#)
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No, George, if I goad him into an argument, it's to knock him down again and again if for no other reason than you insulted my intelligence by suggesting he could even hold his own with me.
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LOL!! I can't get enough of this guy.
An Internet intellect pissing contest! Surely this will contribute in making the world a better place...hahaha
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:33:25 EDT (#)
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Insulted your intelligence? What intelligence?
Your posts and reviews keep getting dumber and dumber.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:31:16 EDT (#)
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No, George, if I goad him into an argument, it's to knock him down again and again if for no other reason than you insulted my intelligence by suggesting he could even hold his own with me.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:28:38 EDT (#)
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Oh Bradley, stop it, I know you're just trying to goad him into an argument so you can get more heat, and more hits, and somehow the fact that one day you might be on the top 10 MVA will somehow help your cause.
Smoke and mirrors, my friend.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:26:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:04:27 (#)
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I would LOVE to see you get into a real argument with PFF. He would embarass the fuck out of you. He wouldn't bother though, because you have no clue what you're talking about and it would be a waste of his time.
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Well, unfortunately, reading his reviews, he's utterly incapable. The kid is a punk. Nothing more.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:21:22 EDT (#)
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Caul, when ETS becomes leader of the free world through his internet crusade, then you're going to regret all of this. I suggest you conform and blindly follow him, or else you're going to suffer his wrath
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:17:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:04:23 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:01:36 (#)
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It's too bad I have work to do. I would have enjoyed seeing yet another ETS mental breakdown in which he screams "I AM ABOVE ALL OF YOU, YOU ARE SHEEPS! AGREE TO MY WORD! FEAR MY PROPHECIES! OBEY MY COMMAND! I. AM. GOD."
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Dude, I don't have to go apeshit to know I'm smarter than you.
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ahahahha
Exhibit #9472947592487389 of ETS case of egomaniac behavior.
I don't know if you're smarter than me or if I'm smarter than you. This is the kind of pissing contest I did when I smoked pot in grade 10.
I do know that IQ points are not indicators of common sense.
Even if you were twice as smart as I am, it wouldn't bother me at all since unlike you, I'm not batshit insane and miserable.
You can keep your self-acclaimed superior intellect if it means being a 30 years old drug addict with mental problems who claims to be God on the Internet from his basement.
Way to be, Einstein.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:07:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:59:23 (#)
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Then why is he back again if he doesn't give a shit?"""
Because everybody likes to throw a few jabs at a retard. No offense, like. Why do you think people flock to your posts and lapidate your pre-digested highschool bullshit?
I didn't say you were *trying* to mislead people"""
Allow me to quote you: "I forsaw someone would >try< to mislead people with the stats you just gave there,[...]"
Maybe you superior mind could foresee this, but your pothead short-term memory is close to the one of an insect.
Have a good day being persecuted Kurt, I got work to do.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:06:04 EDT (#)
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You're smarter than no one, Bradley. If you were really smart, you wouldn't be such a fucking blowhard and go around TELLING people that you're smarter than them. Side effects of too many acid trips, I suppose.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:04:48 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry, did I say argument? I meant debate.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:04:27 EDT (#)
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I would LOVE to see you get into a real argument with PFF. He would embarass the fuck out of you. He wouldn't bother though, because you have no clue what you're talking about and it would be a waste of his time.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:04:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:01:36 (#)
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It's too bad I have work to do. I would have enjoyed seeing yet another ETS mental breakdown in which he screams "I AM ABOVE ALL OF YOU, YOU ARE SHEEPS! AGREE TO MY WORD! FEAR MY PROPHECIES! OBEY MY COMMAND! I. AM. GOD."
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Dude, I don't have to go apeshit to know I'm smarter than you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:03:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:56:27 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:52:08 (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:43:13 (#)
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yes it does, otherwise youre just some douchebag armchair critic that has absolutely no fucking idea of what youre talking about. whether your assumptions are close to what the majority think or believe is irrelevant, because you're in actuality an uninformed tool, who is under the delusion that you are some sort of expert.
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What are your credentials? What's your doctorate in then?
Tell me now, otherwise, by your own standards, you have no reason to open your fucking mouth because your opinion is useless.
Again, this idea that laypeople cannot read and inform themselves and base an opinion on widely known facts is absolutely absurd. Literate people have the capacity to educate themselves. Again, you completely forget that people like Thomas Edison existed, who invented virtually every modern convenience you now enjoy, yet recieved ZERO formal education.
Now, you, sir, can kindly shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
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Now you're Thomas Edison?
And I see you now compare yourself to Jesus Christ?
I love how you extrapolate your Wiki-research and copy/paste crap to the work of historical figures.
Delusions, much?
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Delusions? No, but apparently I have plenty of 'dellusions'.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/87054#1947479
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:01:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:58:43 (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:57:31 (#)
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i HATE people that correct spelling/grammar with the exception of the whole they're, there and their thing.
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ETS thinks tat correcting people's grammar gives him credibility as a self-acclaimed genius.
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ummm yeah, Caul, its "that," not "tat." OMG I'M SO MUCH SMARTER THEN YOU!!!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:01:36 EDT (#)
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It's too bad I have work to do. I would have enjoyed seeing yet another ETS mental breakdown in which he screams "I AM ABOVE ALL OF YOU, YOU ARE SHEEPS! AGREE TO MY WORD! FEAR MY PROPHECIES! OBEY MY COMMAND! I. AM. GOD."
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 13:01:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:58:43 (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:57:31 (#)
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i HATE people that correct spelling/grammar with the exception of the whole they're, there and their thing.
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ETS thinks tat correcting people's grammar gives him credibility as a self-acclaimed genius.
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Hey, you're the one that proclaimed PFF a fucking genius when he can't even spell 'deluded'.
That's the first time I've corrected someone's spelling or grammar in ages. I thought it was appropriate considering he prizes education so highly.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:59:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:53:29 (#)
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PFF is one of the few people who qualify as bright here. He probably left the argument because he didn't give a shit. Silence doesn't mean you cyber-won something, it just means that some people have a life outside of the Internet and don't care what you think.
Yes, you are right. I was trying to mislead people. *sigh*
I ask you, how does that change my argument that a smaller percentage of your GDP is being spent on military?
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Then why is he back again if he doesn't give a shit? Why would he rate me 6 times if he didn't give a shit? NONSENSE! He thinks he's a smart kid, but I think he's too fucking big for his britches.
I didn't say you were *trying* to mislead people, I just said the numbers themselves were misleading. They tend to indicate the government is making strides toward cutting back on military spending when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Discretionary spending, the kind that is supposed to better our way of life and supplement domestic programs is going to the military. That number is increasing. Also, the Iraq War spending isn't even part of the main 'declared' budget. That's a separate issue altogether! They try to hide the numbers and skew them so we won't know what's going on with our money.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:58:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:57:31 (#)
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i HATE people that correct spelling/grammar with the exception of the whole they're, there and their thing.
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ETS thinks tat correcting people's grammar gives him credibility as a self-acclaimed genius.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:57:31 EDT (#)
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i HATE people that correct spelling/grammar with the exception of the whole they're, there and their thing.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:56:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:52:08 (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:43:13 (#)
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yes it does, otherwise youre just some douchebag armchair critic that has absolutely no fucking idea of what youre talking about. whether your assumptions are close to what the majority think or believe is irrelevant, because you're in actuality an uninformed tool, who is under the delusion that you are some sort of expert.
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What are your credentials? What's your doctorate in then?
Tell me now, otherwise, by your own standards, you have no reason to open your fucking mouth because your opinion is useless.
Again, this idea that laypeople cannot read and inform themselves and base an opinion on widely known facts is absolutely absurd. Literate people have the capacity to educate themselves. Again, you completely forget that people like Thomas Edison existed, who invented virtually every modern convenience you now enjoy, yet recieved ZERO formal education.
Now, you, sir, can kindly shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
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Now you're Thomas Edison?
And I see you now compare yourself to Jesus Christ?
I love how you extrapolate your Wiki-research and copy/paste crap to the work of historical figures.
Delusions, much?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:54:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:50:17 (#)
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Thought you said you were going to bed, fucktard, I didn't leave because of your infallible logic you delluded piece of shit.
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First, it's 'deluded'.
Second, you didn't respond when I slapped your silly shit down even after I was gone.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:53:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:40:32 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:31:12 (#)
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Today, the American government spends more than 50 cents of every dollar on its military."""
The U.S., even with the war in Iraq, spends about 2% of it's GDP on it's military. Which is a lot less than VietName (12%) or WWII (around 30%) and is a lot less than many countries.
I love to see PFF rape people like you -2 :-D
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PFF is a fucking child. He left the argument when I'd clearly left him in the dust on every point.
I forsaw someone would try to mislead people with the stats you just gave there, that's why I left this review at the beginning: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87054#1947448
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PFF is one of the few people who qualify as bright here. He probably left the argument because he didn't give a shit. Silence doesn't mean you cyber-won something, it just means that some people have a life outside of the Internet and don't care what you think.
Yes, you are right. I was trying to mislead people. *sigh*
I ask you, how does that change my argument that a smaller percentage of your GDP is being spent on military?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:52:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:43:13 (#)
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yes it does, otherwise youre just some douchebag armchair critic that has absolutely no fucking idea of what youre talking about. whether your assumptions are close to what the majority think or believe is irrelevant, because you're in actuality an uninformed tool, who is under the delusion that you are some sort of expert.
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What are your credentials? What's your doctorate in then?
Tell me now, otherwise, by your own standards, you have no reason to open your fucking mouth because your opinion is useless.
Again, this idea that laypeople cannot read and inform themselves and base an opinion on widely known facts is absolutely absurd. Literate people have the capacity to educate themselves. Again, you completely forget that people like Thomas Edison existed, who invented virtually every modern convenience you now enjoy, yet recieved ZERO formal education.
Now, you, sir, can kindly shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:50:17 EDT (#)
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Thought you said you were going to bed, fucktard, I didn't leave because of your infallible logic you delluded piece of shit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:47:18 EDT (#)
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July 11th 1953 President Eisenhower signed off on the plan.
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p2.php
So you really think a man who authorized a coup out of fears that a country might turn into a communist state would support that state in pursuing nuclear intentions when it has a clear anti american stance?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:44:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:28:25 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:10:52 (#)
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Iran include his "atoms for peace" initiative which sought to give American uranium to poorer countries for the purposes of energy.
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It sought to give uranium to poorer countries, not to teach poorer countries to enrich uranium themselves so they could make weapons.
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You said yourself: there is a vast difference between enriching uranium for energy purposes and highly enriched uranium for weapons purposes.
Under the provisions of the Nuclear Nonproliferation TREATY, which was signed by Iran, they have the right to research and produce nuclear power. You cannot argue with that.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:43:47 EDT (#)
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Um, Brad.
Seriously, I think you misread my little parable there...
The yeller convincs FEWER people, not more.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:43:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:10:52 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-24 03:14:51 (#)
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Of course everyone has opinions on everything, problem is the only time those opinions are worth conveying to anyone is when you have a doctorate in a field relating to those opinions
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furthermore, and far more importantly, years of EXPERIENCE in whatever given field they are educated in. stop replying, squattail.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361
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It doesn't take years of experience OR a fucking doctorate to be able to read and be well informed on a subject. At least well enough to form a valid opinion.
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yes it does, otherwise youre just some douchebag armchair critic that has absolutely no fucking idea of what youre talking about. whether your assumptions are close to what the majority think or believe is irrelevant, because you're in actuality an uninformed tool, who is under the delusion that you are some sort of expert.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:41:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:39:16 (#)
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You didn't have to call names to get your point across though."""
Because you never do that right?
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That I do. And you people call me out on it everytime. Now I'm returning the favor. So cool your jets.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:40:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:31:12 (#)
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Today, the American government spends more than 50 cents of every dollar on its military."""
The U.S., even with the war in Iraq, spends about 2% of it's GDP on it's military. Which is a lot less than VietName (12%) or WWII (around 30%) and is a lot less than many countries.
I love to see PFF rape people like you -2 :-D
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PFF is a fucking child. He left the argument when I'd clearly left him in the dust on every point.
I forsaw someone would try to mislead people with the stats you just gave there, that's why I left this review at the beginning: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87054#1947448
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:39:16 EDT (#)
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You didn't have to call names to get your point across though."""
Because you never do that right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:38:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:24:46 (#)
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You do realize Eisenhower had a hand in the Iranian Coup of 53?
You think that same man would be for anti american regime in Iran having nuclear weapons? Once again pull your head out of your fucking ass.
You really have zero concept of what goes on in the world outside of your 15 minute short term memory.
fucking simpleton.
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You have a point there. You didn't have to call names to get your point across though. Besides, if memory serves, the CIA was the main force behind instigating the coup. I'll read more on it. Thanks for reminding me.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:31:12 EDT (#)
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Today, the American government spends more than 50 cents of every dollar on its military."""
The U.S., even with the war in Iraq, spends about 2% of it's GDP on it's military. Which is a lot less than VietName (12%) or WWII (around 30%) and is a lot less than many countries.
I love to see PFF rape people like you -2 :-D
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:28:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:10:52 (#)
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Iran include his "atoms for peace" initiative which sought to give American uranium to poorer countries for the purposes of energy.
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It sought to give uranium to poorer countries, not to teach poorer countries to enrich uranium themselves so they could make weapons.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:24:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:12:58 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:01:10 (#)
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the commentary was abstract speculation, at best. you have no fucking idea what eisenhower would say about current world affairs, and you're harldy the authority i would trust to speculate.
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No, sir. I assume you're refering to the bit about Iran here. It's spelled out in the speech in plain terms that overzealous military action breeds long-term hatred and is not the way forward. He is saying that the way forward is through a climate of mutual respect and love between countries, and through allowing even countries you dislike or disagree with a seat at the discussion table, for to exclude them is to almost assure that differences will have to be settled on a battlefield.
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You do realize Eisenhower had a hand in the Iranian Coup of 53?
You think that same man would be for anti american regime in Iran having nuclear weapons? Once again pull your head out of your fucking ass.
You really have zero concept of what goes on in the world outside of your 15 minute short term memory.
fucking simpleton.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:10:52 EDT (#)
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Other interesting things about Eisenhower that support my belief that he would advocate peace with countries like Iran include his "atoms for peace" initiative which sought to give American uranium to poorer countries for the purposes of energy, his willingness to trade spy satellite images with Russia to ensure both countries respected the other's military might enough to persue peace, and his insistance on school desegregation on the grounds that "no second class citizens" exist in this country.
I think we could really use a Dwight D. Eisenhower in office right now, a man who understands the horrors of war first hand and the necessity and moral obligation to persue peace as the ultimate alternative to war. He was a good Republican and a good patriot, and his words in this speech ring as true today as when he wrote them 45 years ago.
Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-04-24 12:00:04 EDT (#)
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One of my favorite quotes has always been this by Eisenhower:
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
I give you a +1 because I figure that must be in there somewhere (didn't actually read it) and because it's so impressive, what with the charts & graphs and all.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:53:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:22:53 (#)
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http://www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/farewell.cfm -- and how would you rate this president's farewell speech? i'd say it's a bit more with the times than ike's. not that i agree with your interpretations anyways...
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Nothing particularly notable there. A lot of personal observations about the beauty of Washington, and a lot of the typical rhetoric about 'freedom'. The Ike speech is more profound and relevant in my opinion.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:33:33 EDT (#)
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Well, I take it that my story was not read and/or understood then...
Ah well.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:28:13 EDT (#)
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"Tell me what you're doing to "work towards change" besides LIVING OFF THE STATE."
Since when have I been living off the state. And you're in for a dissapointment if you think I'm telling you my plans. Maybe someday I'll post parts of my manifesto.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:22:53 EDT (#)
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http://www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/farewell.cfm -- and how would you rate this president's farewell speech? i'd say it's a bit more with the times than ike's. not that i agree with your interpretations anyways...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:20:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by IWasRaped (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:02:10 (#)
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did someone just see a ten second clip of 'why we fight'?
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I've been posting about this subject for a while now. And, no, I didn't see a fucking clip of 'Why We Fight'.
In fact, I didn't even know about this speech until recently while discussing the subject of military spending and its negative impact on society with Razor. I was saying many of these same things to him (probably less elegantly) when he pointed me toward this speech.
He can confirm that.
But, go on if you must...assume I haven't the capacity to observe the happenings in my own world and arrive at the same conclusion as anyone else with the same information. I think that opinion reflects the personal limitations of the person saying it more than it reflects mine.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:12:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:01:10 (#)
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the commentary was abstract speculation, at best. you have no fucking idea what eisenhower would say about current world affairs, and you're harldy the authority i would trust to speculate.
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No, sir. I assume you're refering to the bit about Iran here. It's spelled out in the speech in plain terms that overzealous military action breeds long-term hatred and is not the way forward. He is saying that the way forward is through a climate of mutual respect and love between countries, and through allowing even countries you dislike or disagree with a seat at the discussion table, for to exclude them is to almost assure that differences will have to be settled on a battlefield.
Submitted by IWasRaped (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:02:10 EDT (#)
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did someone just see a ten second clip of 'why we fight'?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:01:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:14:06 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 07:54:32 (#)
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your cut and paste skills are remarkable. NICE WORK!!!
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Thank you! And how did you feel about the commentary?
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the commentary was abstract speculation, at best. you have no fucking idea what eisenhower would say about current world affairs, and you're harldy the authority i would trust to speculate.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-24 11:00:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:08:18 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-24 06:01:03 (#)
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OMG the man who we voted in isn't doing what we want him to!!
Get used to it.
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Ummmmmm..... no.
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Oh man....WELL THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I don't think George reads Uber so won't be able to read your interesting stuff and change his policy. Here is an idea ..... (and someone has already suggested this, or at least something similar), Become him or one of his pals, or someone who can actaully affect change.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:47:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:43:01 (#)
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"He would acknowledge Iran's right to engage in research and development of a peaceful nuclear power system"
Would people seeking a peaceful nuclear power system be spending large amount on developing weapon systems ideally suited to delivering nuclear warheads?
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They already have weapons capable of delivering the payload...as do many of the surrounding countries in the hostile region.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:44:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:36:19 (#)
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HEU is not needed for a peaceful nuclear power system.
Pull your head out of your ass.
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And........I didn't say it was.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:43:01 EDT (#)
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"He would acknowledge Iran's right to engage in research and development of a peaceful nuclear power system"
Would people seeking a peaceful nuclear power system be spending large amount on developing weapon systems ideally suited to delivering nuclear warheads?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:36:19 EDT (#)
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[***It's as if Ike has been reading the newspapers (or my emo posts) for the past 5 years! The accuracy of this part of Mr. Eisenhower's farewell speech is undoubtedly the result of his extensive military and public service experience and an uncanny foresight and wisdom. If Ike were alive today, judging from his words here, he would agree with me about the current situation in Iran. He would insist that a "confederation of equals" cannot include the exclusion of a country - for reasons of politics or fear - from enjoying the same rights we have afforded ourselves and others. He would acknowledge Iran's right to engage in research and development of a peaceful nuclear power system for its people while engaging in talks that promote a "mutual trust and respect" with the Iranian government to ensure they understood the grave responsibility that becoming a nuclear power entails. In the current world political climate, the "conference table" is presided over by those countries with nuclear power, weakening the diplomatic process and creating an environment of distrust and fear.]
HEU is not needed for a peaceful nuclear power system.
Pull your head out of your ass.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:18:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-24 08:27:41 (#)
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I rarely air my beleifs. Some of them would get me arrested or mobbed.
And not like Patriot act style, I doubt there are many people who would even think to speak against it.
My beliefs are, as far as I know, way more extreme than those of anyone I've ever met.
Think of me as the Anti-Osama. The things I think would disgust people and yet I would in a perfect world argue with them.
I am an extremist. Most would think me insane. I hope (but don't expect) to one day lead a revolution.
And I'm not listening to you. I think you're a fucking nutjob. Not because of the opinions you hold but because of your inability to follow simple logic and perfom basic critical thinking.
You are dumb as shit. My opinions mirror yours, the difference being is that I'm willing to follow concepts through to their logical conclusion and I'm working towards change, rather than spouting unintelligble shit on some website.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Go and actually DO SOMETHING about it.
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If you think this post is "unintelligible", that's really your problem, not mine.
Tell me what you're doing to "work towards change" besides LIVING OFF THE STATE.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:14:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-24 07:54:32 (#)
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your cut and paste skills are remarkable. NICE WORK!!!
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Thank you! And how did you feel about the commentary?
PS: I'm leaving you another surprise. Congratulation. (You're not worthy of more than one.)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:12:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-24 07:40:04 (#)
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Use of phrases like 'blood empire' doesn't help your cause any, it just makes you seem like a frothing Loon.
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No, the incessant reviews suggesting as much plant the idea in people's heads, which grows from there on a mistake equating my passion for lunacy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:10:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-24 04:25:15 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-24 03:14:51 (#)
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Of course everyone has opinions on everything, problem is the only time those opinions are worth conveying to anyone is when you have a doctorate in a field relating to those opinions
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furthermore, and far more importantly, years of EXPERIENCE in whatever given field they are educated in. stop replying, squattail.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361
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It doesn't take years of experience OR a fucking doctorate to be able to read and be well informed on a subject. At least well enough to form a valid opinion.
Where did you people come from? The Dick Cheney school of criticism?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:08:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-24 07:15:49 (#)
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Please, just get a life and quit wasting valuable electrons posting this stuff.
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Says the resident jarhead.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:08:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-24 06:01:03 (#)
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OMG the man who we voted in isn't doing what we want him to!!
Get used to it.
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Ummmmmm..... no.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-24 10:08:11 EDT (#)
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You smell like shit, plagiarizer.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-04-24 09:58:01 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-04-24 08:47:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-24 08:27:41 EDT (#)
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I rarely air my beleifs. Some of them would get me arrested or mobbed.
And not like Patriot act style, I doubt there are many people who would even think to speak against it.
My beliefs are, as far as I know, way more extreme than those of anyone I've ever met.
Think of me as the Anti-Osama. The thin