The Completely Medieval and in no way Complex Guide to Understanding the Economy....For Dummies (2189 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-25 02:04:16 EDT
This will be the most entertaining and exciting post you'll read all week. That's because this post is about...that's right, wait for it.....economics! *CHEERS*
There has been a lot of confusion surrounding this subject of late. This is, of course, because Bush is again up to his old tricks of misleading the public about what's really going on with it. (Whether or not his misleading is intentional or if he is indeed that fucking stupid is still a matter of debate.)
'Economy' to a layman might as well be tensor calculus, because most people aren't going to spend the time required on this boring-ass subject to really understand it. Since the beginning of civilization, leaders have counted on their proletariat to have at least some mental deficiency or lack of knowledge because the confusion makes ruling over them easier. People tend to storm the proverbial castle with pitch forks a lot less if they have no idea what all the hell all the fuss is about. This is especially true with the 'economy':
"What's all this fuss about, Anderson? Did the lord of the manor try to exercise his Right of the First Night with yer garl, then?"
"Naw, O'Malley, he's just made a graph that expresses the budget deficit in terms of nominal shillings as a percentage of the gross village product and failed to adjust for inflation. This has mislead us simple villagers into thinking the economy is doing well, when in fact he's compromised the fiscal integrity of the entire fifedom, he has!"
"Oh...well....*pause* I'm going to go throw some hay around and wrestle swine for a while."
The history of the confusion over this mysterious and elusive 'economy' thing goes back even further than that. In fact, the word 'economy' stems from the Greek word meaning "what the fuck do all those numbers mean?"
In the interest of continuing my course of slowly riling up an army of uber dissidents to help me storm the White House and seize absolute power, I give you:
"The Completely Medieval and in no way Complex Guide to Understanding the Economy....For Dummies"
Let me break this down for you...
First of all, the budget deficit is NOT the same as the national debt.
Second of all, the trade deficit is NOT the same as the budget deficit.
With me so far? Good. Let's move on...
You have to think of the country as a business... Our country buys and sells products. Pretty simple, eh? Kinda like bartering, but with a little, evil, green middle man made of paper who sometimes gets fat and difficult to carry, and sometimes gets lighter and sexier in a halter top.
The yearly budget deficit (or surplus) is the number you get when you add up all the money our government brings in (in taxes) and subtract that from all the money it spends. For example, if O'Malley makes 3 shillings with which to buy burlap bags, and he only spends 2 shillings on a prostitute with syphillus instead, he has a budget surplus of 1 whole shilling! (Coincidentally, enough to have the retarded sister too!) But if O'Malley, in all his folly, cannot pay the 3 shillings for both sisters because he lazed around all day with the sheep in the field, then he now has a budget DEFICIT of 3 shillings....AND syphillus.
The national debt is the accumulation of all the debts of the past COMBINED. That's the money our little business/government owes its debtors (foreigners)...for food, for oil, for textiles, for weapons, whatever. It is the TOTAL of all the things we've bought on credit since the beginning of the country. It ADDS UP and is carried over from one president to the next...kinda like winning the lottery, but with a lot of negative numbers. This means that O'Malley not only has to pay the whores for their services, but he also has to pay for all this father's whores as well. (Because he was also quite fond of teh sheep.)
Now, the 'trade deficit' is what you get when you add up all our imports and subtract it from all our exports. Here's the catch: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE GDP IS WHEN IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE BOUGHT! This means that even if O'Malley raises more sheep and swine than he's ever raised in his entire life ('growing' economy), he's still going to debtor's prison if he tries to trade them for more whores than they're really worth. And who says how much they're worth? Well, the lord does. Because he's had his divine way with both sheep and whore and knows each of their true worth. Right now, the lord's name is Lord Bernanke (formerly known as Lord Greenspan). He was given his title and lands by King Bush.
Let's say for a minute, for argument's sake, that in the year 1370, Lord Bernanke says that 1 night with a whore is worth either 1 shilling or 1 sheep. (It's slow times in the sheep market.)
Now, let's say that O'Malley, in all his medieval industriousness, raises 297 sheep, which he sells for 297 shillings. This could be considered his 'gross domestic product'. But throughout the year, has his drunkened way with 366 syphillitic whores, one for each night of the year. (It's a leap year and our dear O'Malley is an especially cheeky sort.)
Now, poor O'Malley still owes 69 shillings or 69 sheep (I wonder what that's like). It could be said he has a budget deficit of 69 shillings for the year 1370.
Fast forward 10 years to the year 1380. Lord Bernanke, in all his divineness has decreed that 1 sheep now equals 2 shillings. (Inflation is a bitch...even in the 1380s.) Our dear O'Malley is older now and even cheekier than his younger self, but he is also more industrious as he succeeds in raising 594 sheep worth an amazing 1188 shillings! "Boy," muses O'Malley, "that's like 1188 whores!" But what our poor O'Malley doesn't know is that the price of 1 night with a syphillus-ridden slag is now up to 2 shillings as well. "Jesus fucking Christ!" exclaims O'Malley. (He's Catholic.) "Oh well, 366 whores should still be enough booty for one man, surely."
But the cheekiness gets the better of our dear O'Malley again as he takes his 366 whores AND their sisters too! That's a total of 732 syphillitic, plague-ridden bags of bubonic flesh for 2 shillings apiece. That's 1464 shillings! Now O'Malley is in deep dung, as he has overspent his budget by a whopping 252 shillings. Considering he still hasn't paid the 69 shillings from each of the last 10 years he was over budget, our poor O'Malley now owes the whores of fifedom 942 shillings (his 'national debt')...plus interest.
Now O'Malley feels really bad about the prospect of going to debtor's prison over his 942 shillings, so he decides that, to make himself feel better, he will sit down with his (completely anachronistic) Ti-81 calculator and calculate his yearly debt (annual deficit) as a percentage of the number of sheep he raised that year (GDP).
He figures that throught the 1370s, he ran an annual deficit of 69 shillings per year. That's 23% of his annual sheep output.
He also figures that in 1380, he ran an deficit of 264 shillings because of all those disease-infested whores and their sisters. That, he figures, HEY, that's still only 22% of his sheep output! He's not doing so bad! Hell, he's doing better now than he was in the 1370s right!?! ......
Right????
The next day, the soldiers come and seize him and throw him in the castle dungeon until he can labor away the 942 shillings he owes.
THE END
What's the moral of the story, boys and girls?
Just because you have an anachronistic calculator doesn't mean your should trade your perfectly good sheep for a bunch of syphillitic wenches, even if taken as a percentage of your gross domestic sheep product, you're technically 'getting better'.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050713.html
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:24 EDT (#)
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This is just a bunch of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:22:50 EDT (#)
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repo man
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-28 19:47:07 EDT (#)
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i hear arsenal is in the champions league finals? can you confirm this? huh? HUH?!?! WHERE'S LIVERPOND NOW!??!?!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-04-28 19:26:15 EDT (#)
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could this be any more patronising?
it makes me laugh that it is always the broke people who rant about economics.
Submitted by The_Cyst_Master (user info) at 2006-04-28 14:05:14 EDT (#)
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You know how the economy works?
No shit?
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-28 13:54:52 EDT (#)
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No, I assume you're retarded because none of you seem to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
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I can't understand what my 4 yr. old nephew is talking about 9 out of 10 times, that must mean I'm the retarded one.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-28 11:00:51 EDT (#)
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i would contend that i'm not, woody, but if anything it's a little bit ambiguous, just like his statement is. which is why i said 'not really.'
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
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Really?!?! OMG!!! Cause it had nothing to do with the fact that we had the nuclear bomb first! Nothing at ALL!
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not really.
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You're both getting effects mixed up with causes
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:13:43 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
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Really?!?! OMG!!! Cause it had nothing to do with the fact that we had the nuclear bomb first! Nothing at ALL!
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not really.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 16:31:31 (#)
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Razor: It doesn't matter how much you 'made' in a year, whether your revenues are $10,000 or $10,000,000. If you lose money, you LOSE MONEY! You take a loss! You're in the black!
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Maybe somebody already said it, but I think you meant "in the red". "In the black" means you're profitable. Or interracial.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-27 08:29:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:30:43 (#)
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"Abortion kills a living thing."
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And so does removing a tumor.
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Abortion kills a human being.
But thats a completely different blazing row.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-27 04:30:28 EDT (#)
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Its kinda annoying how you continue arguing after I've illustrated the fault(s) in your argument(s).
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-27 01:59:48 EDT (#)
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hahahahahahahahahahaha
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-04-26 21:20:37 EDT (#)
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How come people that preach about economic stablity are usually broke fucks?
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-26 19:13:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:34:54 (#)
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I love how you assume everyone is retarded because you just learn 8th grade economics.
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No, I assume you're retarded because none of you seem to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
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No, you assume everyone's retarded because they either don't care what the fuck you're talking about or they're not praising you for being a genius who's right about everything. There's a difference you know.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:34:54 (#)
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I love how you assume everyone is retarded because you just learn 8th grade economics.
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No, I assume you're retarded because none of you seem to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Do you even realize the contradiction of what you just said?
"Everyone is fucking stupid...why won't they understand me?"
The problem is not what you're talking about, the problem is your initial premise that we're fucking retarded.
But we've been over your attitude issues already and at this point, we can safely conclude that you're hopeless.
It's funny that you claim to be a genius yet you can't even grasp the basics of human communication.
Go you!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 19:00:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:34:54 (#)
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I love how you assume everyone is retarded because you just learn 8th grade economics.
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No, I assume you're retarded because none of you seem to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:59:24 EDT (#)
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AHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
This is RICH! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4945284.stm
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:34:54 EDT (#)
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The Completely Medieval and in no way Complex Guide to Understanding the Economy....For Dummies"
Let me break this down for you...
First of all, the budget deficit is NOT the same as the national debt.
Second of all, the trade deficit is NOT the same as the budget deficit.
With me so far? Good. Let's move on...
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I love how you assume everyone is retarded because you just learn 8th grade economics.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:32:31 EDT (#)
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way to miss the point
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 18:30:43 EDT (#)
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"Abortion kills a living thing."
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And so does removing a tumor.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 16:41:50 (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-26 12:10:18 (#)
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Mideval economics indeed, Brad. There's certainly no modern educated sentiment in anything you said.
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You mean there's no 'SPIN' sentiment in anything I said. Modern 'educated' economists do a good job complicating something that could be very fucking simple.
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ETS this is your problem, it isn't that simple.
That is like saying pro-choicers complicate something that could be very simple. Abortion kills a living thing. That is pretty simple, does it encompass the whole topic? No it doesn't.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 17:28:55 EDT (#)
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by "reasoning" you mean "obeying to your word", right?
Right.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 17:20:09 (#)
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There is no reasoning with you.
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How incredibly ironic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 17:20:09 EDT (#)
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I didn't patronize Razor, he patronized me.
You, Caul, you're easy to patronize. In fact, I have two choices with you: patronize you or ignore you. There is no reasoning with you.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-26 17:16:54 EDT (#)
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still haven't let go of your ego, have you?
i gotta say you're persistent. perhaps i would be to if my entire life revolved around patronizing people on the internet.
what a sad caase you turned out to be.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 17:05:54 EDT (#)
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Razor: One more thing...
You said:
"For example, if I am making $10,000 a year and I go $1000 in debt, I'm in much worse shape than if I make $100,000 a year and I go $1,000 in debt."
Also, you haven't adjusted for inflation, have you?
That statement is only true if you're sure you're going to be making the same amount the next year. There is never any guarantee of that. That's the whole POINT of not running up the deficit. It drives away investors. And with energy prices soaring, earnings are naturally going to drop across the board except for the oil companies. What it amounts to is a consolidation of wealth, which translates into a consolidation of POWER.
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-26 12:10:18 (#)
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Mideval economics indeed, Brad. There's certainly no modern educated sentiment in anything you said.
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You mean there's no 'SPIN' sentiment in anything I said. Modern 'educated' economists do a good job complicating something that could be very fucking simple.
It obfuscates the point to look at anything other than whether we're living within our means or NOT.
And don't fucking insult my intelligence by suggesting that because my peasant got arrested that I think the government would 'get fucking arrested'. I don't appreciate that coming from you. The rest of these assholes, maybe. Not you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 16:32:14 EDT (#)
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"If you lose money, you LOSE MONEY! You take a loss! You're in the black!"
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In the red, rather.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 16:31:31 EDT (#)
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Razor: It doesn't matter how much you 'made' in a year, whether your revenues are $10,000 or $10,000,000. If you lose money, you LOSE MONEY! You take a loss! You're in the black!
This is B.A.D. To try to make yourself feel better by saying "well, if I'd spent nothing all year I could have made $10,000,000" IS IRRELEVANT. Who gives a FUCK what Bush's numbers are compared to other presidents!?!?! All I wanna know is, is the motherfucker balancing the goddamn budget or not?
Is that so fucking hard, people?
Honestly...what the fuck is your problem that you can't understand that very simple fucking concept?
BALANCE THE BUDGET. STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE.
It's that simple.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-04-26 12:10:18 EDT (#)
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I'm not saying this post wasn't funny... it was.
I'm not saying that the national debt is a good thing... it isn't.
However, you're wrong when you say that the overall debt as a ratio of the GDP is an irrelevant figure, because it's not. A 6 trillion dollar debt in 1806 would have been a lot worse than a 6 trillion dollar debt in 2006.
That's just bad and misleading math to suggest that the independent number is the more important indicator.
For example, if I am making $10,000 a year and I go $1000 in debt, I'm in much worse shape than if I make $100,000 a year and I go $1,000 in debt.
In addition, the United States government isn't a peasant, able to be seized and in prison. That's completely simplistic. The US government has been in debt practically since it came into existence, starting with Hamilton's idea that the Bank of the U.S. could be financed by floating treasury bonds to its citizens.
The government does the seizing, and its debt is not the same as a person's debt. The only reason our dollars have value is because the government says they do, and we have confidence in that declaration.
Mideval economics indeed, Brad. There's certainly no modern educated sentiment in anything you said.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 11:52:21 EDT (#)
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Thanks Jimmo.
Great link. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/09/07/debt.clock/
To those that think the debt isn't a big deal:
""Vice President and Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore has outlined a plan that he says would eliminate the debt by 2012.
Senior economic advisers to Texas Governor and Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush agree with the principle of paying down the debt but have not committed to a specific date for eliminating it.""
Why would George Bush "agree with the principle" if there was't a good reason for doing it?
Some of you are making excuses for the most fiscally irresponsible president in history, and I can't understand why.
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-26 08:07:52 EDT (#)
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Not bad, was interested in the debt clock thing. Check this CNN story from back in the day:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/09/07/debt.clock/
"Vice President and Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore has outlined a plan that he says would eliminate the debt by 2012.
Senior economic advisers to Texas Governor and Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush agree with the principle of paying down the debt but have not committed to a specific date for eliminating it. "
Ha Ha.
Personally I hope there are moves by various governments to keep the corperations and the military out. It might be America's purpose to serve as an example.
That said nobody is going to force America to repay it's debt*. I also wonder how much the first Gulf war shennanigans actually cost America, considering that Saddam owed alot of money that was not repaid*. It's almost like V3.0 weaponry against V1.0, here are some free weapons, then we attack you with the shiny new stuff, which makes room for us to make more. I hope Saddam was well payed for the role he played.
* As far as I know.
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Submitted by seasofseems (user info) at 2006-04-25 03:26:21 (#)
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I save every penny I can instead of going out.
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Hahahahaha
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-26 01:32:33 EDT (#)
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but -2 for not only using a movie as a basis for forming opinion, but also fucking up a great movie through misinterpretation
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-26 01:18:13 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by seasofseems (user info) at 2006-04-25 03:26:21 (#)
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I convinced my mother to let me take over her retirement finances. I invested it all in alternate energy technologies like solar, hydrogen fuel cells, and uranium exploration. She's made a 36% increase on her initial investment in the past 6 weeks.
I registered to vote just this week at my new address in Indiana.
I changed all the light bulbs in my house to fluorescent to conserve energy.
I save every penny I can instead of going out.
I drive the speed limit now instead of going 70, which increases fuel efficiency. I also drive less.
I turn the water off when I'm brushing my teeth now (I never used to do that before).
I wash my dishes by hand even though I have a dishwasher.
I turn off lights in the house I'm not using habitually now. I even do it in other people's houses and inform them they should turn lights off when not in use.
I also turn my computers off at night and when I'm not using them. I used to leave them on all the time to reduce stress on the disc drive.
I have been emailing senators and congressmen about issues I think are important with more than just a "fuck you". I never would have done that in my LIFE until recently.
My dad is a hardcore Republican. I don't let him get away with talking nonsense anymore without calling him out on it.
I have been giving to charity whenever I can. I haven't given as much as I would like, but I really don't have much to give. That's another thing I've never done before until the last year or so.
Every year my family plays the Bad Santa game at Christmas. This year, I have convinced them that I don't want to participate anymore unless we just donate the money we would have spent on a gift to the pot and play to see whose charity it goes to.
There are a lot of just 'little' things I try to do. The more I try, the less I have to try, until they become habits. Again, I'm not perfect. There is a lot more I could do personally. I don't recycle like I should. I need to get off my ass and find a place in this town that hands out bins. I could dry my clothes on a clothes line instead of in a dryer. There are just a lot of things I still need to change....that I WILL eventually change. I'm baby stepping into this. I'm accustomed to a lifestyle I no longer believe in, so it's going to take some time to adjust here.
I'm not gonna say I'm doing my best, cause I'm not. I have a long way to go. But I'm still going to post about these things on the internet in the hopes that I can make some people think."
that was better than any post you've ever made by a very long shot. +2 for it
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 23:36:12 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/25/zarqawi/index.html -- so what's your solution to this, big guy?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-25 23:25:44 EDT (#)
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Wow.
I haven't even rated this yet.
Until now, that is...
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:27:38 (#)
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You should watch the movie "Lord of War". It's based on true events. You'll learn something.
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wow, learning from a blockbuster...no wonder you compare yourself to jesus and einstein after reading wikipedia.
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what smelly mcfrog said.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-25 21:31:34 EDT (#)
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This was actually one of your better posts of late...kudos.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-24 23:56:50 (#)
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Oxymoron: You might have already gotten all of what I just said. I just wanted to be sure so you and no one else was confused or thought you had 'debunked' the graph I posted, when, in fact, you supported it.
Again, I *think* you already know that, but the casual reader is just gonna look at that and say "A-HA! I KNEW that ETS was wrong!" when I really wasn't.
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This is from your last post....and here's my response with the z-facts link that you're refferring to...
http://www.ubersite.com/m/87054#1949097
I never doubted what you were saying, I just wanted a graph from a believable source. Bush has helped the economy by his tax cut, and the increase in employment. However he spends like a drunken sailor(no offense to drunken sailors). That's why the republicans aren't supporting him like they did previously.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:23:35 (#)
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You aren't saying the lack of gold standard benefits us at the expense of third world countries? If not could please explain your response, because it seems pretty clear that is what you are saying to me.
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Actually, no. If there was a gold standard still, we'd just find a way to steal everyone's gold as well as their oil, so it really doesn't matter. But, yes, hypothetically, if there were a lawful gold standard in place, and we didn't fight over it would prevent the United States from printing more dollars than it can realistically account for with goods of equal value and would stop us from exploiting foreign labor.
The world has become a feudalistic pyramid scheme, and the U.S. is the fat lord at the top.
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So are you saying the lack of a gold backing for the dollar keeps third world countries down or aren't you?
Because you had a hissy fit when I said you said that here http://www.ubersite.com/m/87122#1950763
Try and keep your own conspiracy theories straight, if you can't how can we.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-25 17:25:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:27:38 (#)
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You should watch the movie "Lord of War". It's based on true events. You'll learn something.
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wow, learning from a blockbuster...no wonder you compare yourself to jesus and einstein after reading wikipedia.
You're fucking pathetic.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-25 17:13:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:25:11 (#)
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Wait, what's all this talk about oniontooth being a porno girl? I want in on some of that action.
She sent me a picture, and MAN OH MAN is she a filthy slutbomb. That shit went RIGHT into the spank bank
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Where do I sign up? Want my email address so we can cyber, pornogirl?
*slides hand down pants*
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-04-25 17:05:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:58:11 (#)
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Yea, and she has a car that shoots lube out the tailpipe and instead of an 'ejector' seat, she has an 'erector' seat.
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And here I thought I was the only one.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:58:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:38:21 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:31:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:20:46 (#)
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Stay out of this, pornogirl.
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that is pornowoman to you IT boy.
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You're not doing her any favours there dude. Pornogirl sounds better - like it comes with a cape and a cock ring utility belt.
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Yea, and she has a car that shoots lube out the tailpipe and instead of an 'ejector' seat, she has an 'erector' seat.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:38:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:31:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:20:46 (#)
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Stay out of this, pornogirl.
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that is pornowoman to you IT boy.
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You're not doing her any favours there dude. Pornogirl sounds better - like it comes with a cape and a cock ring utility belt.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:33:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:23:35 (#)
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You aren't saying the lack of gold standard benefits us at the expense of third world countries? If not could please explain your response, because it seems pretty clear that is what you are saying to me.
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Actually, no. If there was a gold standard still, we'd just find a way to steal everyone's gold as well as their oil, so it really doesn't matter. But, yes, hypothetically, if there were a lawful gold standard in place, and we didn't fight over it would prevent the United States from printing more dollars than it can realistically account for with goods of equal value and would stop us from exploiting foreign labor.
The world has become a feudalistic pyramid scheme, and the U.S. is the fat lord at the top.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:32:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:25:11 (#)
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Wait, what's all this talk about oniontooth being a porno girl? I want in on some of that action.
She sent me a picture, and MAN OH MAN is she a filthy slutbomb. That shit went RIGHT into the spank bank
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i hate you...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:31:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:20:46 (#)
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Stay out of this, pornogirl.
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that is pornowoman to you IT boy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:27:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:21:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:13:43 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
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Really?!?! OMG!!! Cause it had nothing to do with the fact that we had the nuclear bomb first! Nothing at ALL!
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your path of logic is mind blowing.
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I bet the path of anyone's logic is mind-blowing for you.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:25:11 EDT (#)
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Wait, what's all this talk about oniontooth being a porno girl? I want in on some of that action.
She sent me a picture, and MAN OH MAN is she a filthy slutbomb. That shit went RIGHT into the spank bank
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:23:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:16:53 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:12:29 (#)
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What the fuck are you talking about? Read all those reviews again and then get back to me. I don't have time for your stupid shit.
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My stupid shit?
You are a fucking idiot.
I asked what country uses the gold standard (none to my knowledge anymore). You responded with this idiotic statement,
"Right, and who does that benefit the most? Why the hell do you think countries hate us? Why do you think the "third world" IS the "third world" in the first fucking place?
It's because we have created a situation where other countries HAVE to accept our non-gold-backed cash for real materials of worth. This creates the illusion of wealth. And the illusion is only supported by superior military might."
You aren't saying the lack of gold standard benefits us at the expense of third world countries? If not could please explain your response, because it seems pretty clear that is what you are saying to me.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:21:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:13:43 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
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Really?!?! OMG!!! Cause it had nothing to do with the fact that we had the nuclear bomb first! Nothing at ALL!
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your path of logic is mind blowing.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:21:29 EDT (#)
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but you're not. and you're still partially jealous of that so really how much of an insult is that?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:20:46 EDT (#)
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Stay out of this, pornogirl.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:17:30 EDT (#)
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you don't have time? you're not doing anything else though.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:16:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:12:29 (#)
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What the fuck are you talking about? Read all those reviews again and then get back to me. I don't have time for your stupid shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:13:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
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Really?!?! OMG!!! Cause it had nothing to do with the fact that we had the nuclear bomb first! Nothing at ALL!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:12:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:03:46 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:56:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:51:22 (#)
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Wardy, that is a stupid fucking question considering I didn't say anything about going back on the gold standard. I harp on the point of no backing to the dollar to illustrate my point about how the U.S. abuses its power to keep plundering the rest of the world's resources without producing enough to justify it. It's robbery, plain and simple.
Just shut the fuck up, dude. The adults are talking. It's like you're tugging at my fucking shirt going "but, did you SEE MEEE!?!?! WHAT ABOUT ME!?!?!" Annoying little shit.
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Who said go back on the gold standard?
You said the gold standard helps make thrid world countries.
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No I didn't. Show me where. Show everyone where I said that.
here
http://www.ubersite.com/m/87122#1950452
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:06:06 EDT (#)
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http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112a.html -- this is why the dollar is so important.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:05:47 EDT (#)
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wow dude you must be really upped on your meds to crack up that much.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:04:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:56:23 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:53:24 (#)
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and you don't get it either...
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Can I get one of those blow up sheep? And, yeah, the 'Kidney Killer' dildo on page 56 looks pretty good too. What's the shipping going to be on that?
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HAHAH HAAAAA
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:03:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:56:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:51:22 (#)
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Wardy, that is a stupid fucking question considering I didn't say anything about going back on the gold standard. I harp on the point of no backing to the dollar to illustrate my point about how the U.S. abuses its power to keep plundering the rest of the world's resources without producing enough to justify it. It's robbery, plain and simple.
Just shut the fuck up, dude. The adults are talking. It's like you're tugging at my fucking shirt going "but, did you SEE MEEE!?!?! WHAT ABOUT ME!?!?!" Annoying little shit.
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Who said go back on the gold standard?
You said the gold standard helps make thrid world countries.
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No I didn't. Show me where. Show everyone where I said that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:02:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:48:37 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:11:27 (#)
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It's 'stability' because it serves the US purpose. You missed the point of the movie and the profound message behind it. It's about the struggle between doing what's RIGHT and what's EASY. It's about how our version of 'stability' means war for others. It's about how the U.S. government maintains the status quo by keeping war alive instead of doing the more difficult thing of standing on principles and trying to better the world for everyone.
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Were you watching the same movie?
How did the US govt profit from what Nicholas Cage was doing? How did americans profit? He was selling chinese weapons to africa?
Did you completely miss the story between nic cage and the old grey haired guy, who lectured nic on who to sell to?
Jesus christ don't tell people to watch a movie because it is based on "real events" if you couldn't even understand the hollywood version of the situation.
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He was selling Russian and Chinese weapons all over the world, including Africa, the Middle East, and South America. The U.S. (and other countries in Europe, for that matter) were benefitting from keeping certain regimes in power. They allowed them to do what they wanted so long as American and European companies could still do business there. It was all about exploiting the country's natural resources, whether it be coal, diamonds, gold, labor force, whatever.
Or did you miss that part of the movie? There was a big monologue about it at some point in there.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 16:00:26 EDT (#)
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i'll send ya the latest catalogue. address please?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:56:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:51:22 (#)
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Wardy, that is a stupid fucking question considering I didn't say anything about going back on the gold standard. I harp on the point of no backing to the dollar to illustrate my point about how the U.S. abuses its power to keep plundering the rest of the world's resources without producing enough to justify it. It's robbery, plain and simple.
Just shut the fuck up, dude. The adults are talking. It's like you're tugging at my fucking shirt going "but, did you SEE MEEE!?!?! WHAT ABOUT ME!?!?!" Annoying little shit.
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Who said go back on the gold standard?
You said the gold standard helps make thrid world countries. I said there were third world countries before we left the gold standard. A gold backed dollar has nothing to do with third world countries.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:56:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:53:24 (#)
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and you don't get it either...
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Can I get one of those blow up sheep? And, yeah, the 'Kidney Killer' dildo on page 56 looks pretty good too. What's the shipping going to be on that?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:54:02 EDT (#)
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but that was entertaining, and now i wanna see if i can find anything resembling that.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:53:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:41:40 (#)
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The fact that you watched a film and then recommended it to someone else is a clear admission that have based your entire life, value system and wardrobe around said film - you dream of one day becoming Nicolas Cage and picture yourself as a crim with a conscience, a renaissance man locked in a noble struggle with the duality of human nature. Well, I've got news for you, hippy. You are not Nicolas Cage and the only thing you are lord of is smoking pot in your mother's basement. I have more scathing insight to add but someone on line 3 wants to place an order for a vibrating butt plug shaped like Mikhail Gorbachev.
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and you don't get it either...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:51:22 EDT (#)
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Wardy, that is a stupid fucking question considering I didn't say anything about going back on the gold standard. I harp on the point of no backing to the dollar to illustrate my point about how the U.S. abuses its power to keep plundering the rest of the world's resources without producing enough to justify it. It's robbery, plain and simple.
Just shut the fuck up, dude. The adults are talking. It's like you're tugging at my fucking shirt going "but, did you SEE MEEE!?!?! WHAT ABOUT ME!?!?!" Annoying little shit.
Kathy: But I AM Nicholas Cage! Or, better yet....just "CAGE". I bet he looks in the mirror and just repeats that to himself..."CAGE"...in that suspenseful movie trailer-type voice.
*looks in mirror*
Yep, he does.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:48:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:11:27 (#)
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It's 'stability' because it serves the US purpose. You missed the point of the movie and the profound message behind it. It's about the struggle between doing what's RIGHT and what's EASY. It's about how our version of 'stability' means war for others. It's about how the U.S. government maintains the status quo by keeping war alive instead of doing the more difficult thing of standing on principles and trying to better the world for everyone.
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Were you watching the same movie?
How did the US govt profit from what Nicholas Cage was doing? How did americans profit? He was selling chinese weapons to africa?
Did you completely miss the story between nic cage and the old grey haired guy, who lectured nic on who to sell to?
Jesus christ don't tell people to watch a movie because it is based on "real events" if you couldn't even understand the hollywood version of the situation.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:42:25 EDT (#)
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What's funny about Mrs. Rice's trip is that she's probably going to Greece to speak of the virtues of 'democracy'.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:42:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:32:02 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:13:42 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:07:35 (#)
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ETS-
"As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing."
What countries back their currency with gold?
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Right, and who does that benefit the most? Why the hell do you think countries hate us? Why do you think the "third world" IS the "third world" in the first fucking place?
It's because we have created a situation where other countries HAVE to accept our non-gold-backed cash for real materials of worth. This creates the illusion of wealth. And the illusion is only supported by superior military might.
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Wait, wait, wait, are you really trying to imply that third world countries are kept down or created by our currency not being backed by gold?
That is idiotic.
You do realize that there were third world countries before we left the gold standard?
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you never answered this.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:41:55 EDT (#)
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http://www.robotz.firez.org/
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:41:40 EDT (#)
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The fact that you watched a film and then recommended it to someone else is a clear admission that have based your entire life, value system and wardrobe around said film - you dream of one day becoming Nicolas Cage and picture yourself as a crim with a conscience, a renaissance man locked in a noble struggle with the duality of human nature. Well, I've got news for you, hippy. You are not Nicolas Cage and the only thing you are lord of is smoking pot in your mother's basement. I have more scathing insight to add but someone on line 3 wants to place an order for a vibrating butt plug shaped like Mikhail Gorbachev.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:41:13 EDT (#)
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you're completely not getting what flaw i pointed out with your "watch a movie" suggestion are you?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:30:55 EDT (#)
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greek parties involve violence, i can't see a reason why greek protests wouldn't involve death.
i hate that woman. i want to kick her horse teeth down her throat.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:29:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:19:13 (#)
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you give enough of a fuck to respond. a movie isn't a starting point for anything. it is still meant for entertainment value only. movies shouldn't change your life unless it's because you want to do things with film. then it's ok to get ideas from them. and you don't ever just read all non-fiction. you said you were reading fiction in some random post a while back. keep your own facts straight.
well wait, here's a movie for your life changing purposes. girl interrupted. based on actual events and involves a psychotic bitch that i'm sure you can relate to. no one understands you after all and it's not all in your mind it must just be the world. yet again.
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Here's one for you: Fast and Furious. Not only is the entertainment experience on par with what you're capable of comprehending, but the name perfectly describes you as well.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:24:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:17:24 (#)
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They would have, if the police didnt stop them. They don't fuck around over there. That's what we should be doing here.
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I agree. We need to dust off the fucking guillotine.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:19:13 EDT (#)
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you give enough of a fuck to respond. a movie isn't a starting point for anything. it is still meant for entertainment value only. movies shouldn't change your life unless it's because you want to do things with film. then it's ok to get ideas from them. and you don't ever just read all non-fiction. you said you were reading fiction in some random post a while back. keep your own facts straight.
well wait, here's a movie for your life changing purposes. girl interrupted. based on actual events and involves a psychotic bitch that i'm sure you can relate to. no one understands you after all and it's not all in your mind it must just be the world. yet again.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:17:24 EDT (#)
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They would have, if the police didnt stop them. They don't fuck around over there. That's what we should be doing here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:15:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:14:13 (#)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/world/europe/25cnd-greece.html?hp&ex=1146024000&en=51fa2822dfc3173f&ei=5094&partner=homepage
I love it
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I wish they had decapitated that bitch and dragged her naked, bloodless body through the streets.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:14:13 EDT (#)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/world/europe/25cnd-greece.html?hp&ex=1146024000&en=51fa2822dfc3173f&ei=5094&partner=homepage
I love it
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:11:49 EDT (#)
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This was actually not bad.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:11:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:48:59 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:43:38 (#)
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yet you didn't address the fact that getting information from a movie starring nicholas cage is a shitbrain idea.
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Plus that movie was pro Us arms dealings in the 80's, well if not pro at least it alluded to the fact that they weren't just selling for profit. they weren't just arming any savage they were trying to encourage stability. Don't you condemn the US for that?
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It's 'stability' because it serves the US purpose. You missed the point of the movie and the profound message behind it. It's about the struggle between doing what's RIGHT and what's EASY. It's about how our version of 'stability' means war for others. It's about how the U.S. government maintains the status quo by keeping war alive instead of doing the more difficult thing of standing on principles and trying to better the world for everyone.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 15:06:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:34:01 (#)
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ok the fact that you just told me to watch a movie BASED on true events is really just fucking hilarious. reading history books, articles, and magazines that summarize and document ACTUAL events is a much better idea. even better, pick up another language so you can read them from other countries. try french or spanish cuz that'll pretty much span the globe.
that's my recommendation to you. READ completely non-fiction history articles and documents.
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CHILL THE FUCK OUT, YOU MENSTRAL BITCH! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
Nonfiction is all I EVER read.
That movie was the first thing that popped in my mind and it dealt with exactly what you're talking about. I thought you'd get something out of it and it would give you a starting point for actually learning something instead of staring at layouts of naked fucking bitches all day.
Don't watch it then. I don't give a flying fuck.
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:51:02 EDT (#)
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I really, really, REALLY wanted to read this...
But all the big words made my head hurt.
*twirls hair*
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:48:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:43:38 (#)
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yet you didn't address the fact that getting information from a movie starring nicholas cage is a shitbrain idea.
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Plus that movie was pro Us arms dealings in the 80's, well if not pro at least it alluded to the fact that they weren't just selling for profit. they weren't just arming any savage they were trying to encourage stability. Don't you condemn the US for that?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:43:38 EDT (#)
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yet you didn't address the fact that getting information from a movie starring nicholas cage is a shitbrain idea.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:41:08 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:37:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:29:27 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:27:38 (#)
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You should watch the movie "Lord of War". It's based on true events. You'll learn something.
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And you should stop forming your ideas of what is right and wrong in the world by hollywood blockbusters.
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With as stubborn as you always say I am, do you really think I *FORM* my ideas of right and wrong around movies? Really?
My ideas of right and wrong (while they might change from time to time as I learn and grow and change as a person) they are for the most part pretty static.
It's the INFORMATION accumulated that changes the mind. But it doesn't change my idea of what's right and wrong. I don't NEED anyone to tell me that. It's part of who I am. And it's the same for all of us. Our souls are colored by where we draw the line between right and wrong.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:34:01 EDT (#)
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ok the fact that you just told me to watch a movie BASED on true events is really just fucking hilarious. reading history books, articles, and magazines that summarize and document ACTUAL events is a much better idea. even better, pick up another language so you can read them from other countries. try french or spanish cuz that'll pretty much span the globe.
that's my recommendation to you. READ completely non-fiction history articles and documents. if you're going to watch anything and get your information from it watch the news and more than one channel. ALL movies are theatrical and therefore edited or exaggerated. unless it's an actual documentary, no matter what they're based on, they are meant for entertainment value and not education.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:32:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:13:42 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:07:35 (#)
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ETS-
"As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing."
What countries back their currency with gold?
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Right, and who does that benefit the most? Why the hell do you think countries hate us? Why do you think the "third world" IS the "third world" in the first fucking place?
It's because we have created a situation where other countries HAVE to accept our non-gold-backed cash for real materials of worth. This creates the illusion of wealth. And the illusion is only supported by superior military might.
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Wait, wait, wait, are you really trying to imply that third world countries are kept down or created by our currency not being backed by gold?
That is idiotic.
You do realize that there were third world countries before we left the gold standard?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:29:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:27:38 (#)
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You should watch the movie "Lord of War". It's based on true events. You'll learn something.
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And you should stop forming your ideas of what is right and wrong in the world by hollywood blockbusters.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:27:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:19:07 (#)
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of course it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact most third world countries are still led by tribal leaders or whoever has the most guns for the day. or that the majority of them are completely corrupt and no money ever goes to people who would seriously run a stable government not based on religious beliefs or language barriers. or the geological position of certain countries, ie africa, that basically prevents them from any real contribution agriculturally to the rest of the world on a large scale. it has nothing to do with their OWN educational systems or governments or even citizens.
it is just all our fault.
right.
ass.
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You should watch the movie "Lord of War". It's based on true events. You'll learn something.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:22:07 EDT (#)
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typo* most of africa
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:19:07 EDT (#)
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of course it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact most third world countries are still led by tribal leaders or whoever has the most guns for the day. or that the majority of them are completely corrupt and no money ever goes to people who would seriously run a stable government not based on religious beliefs or language barriers. or the geological position of certain countries, ie africa, that basically prevents them from any real contribution agriculturally to the rest of the world on a large scale. it has nothing to do with their OWN educational systems or governments or even citizens.
it is just all our fault.
right.
ass.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:17:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-25 13:49:17 (#)
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ithink much more focus should be on this ETS statement here....
'I understand this concept, don't get me wrong. You are right in a sense'
You are right in a sense...ETS said that. I think ladies and genrtlemen we have a first.
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Bullshit, I do that all the time.
In fact, I conceded Indoninja had a good point in my last post. Look it up.
I will admit when I'm wrong. What you don't understand is this... If I thought I were wrong that often, I wouldn't be posting about this shit. I do it to combat the very viewpoints that end up trying to counter me.
I know all the arguments that will be brought against me before you even say 'em most of the time.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:13:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:07:35 (#)
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ETS-
"As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing."
What countries back their currency with gold?
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Right, and who does that benefit the most? Why the hell do you think countries hate us? Why do you think the "third world" IS the "third world" in the first fucking place?
It's because we have created a situation where other countries HAVE to accept our non-gold-backed cash for real materials of worth. This creates the illusion of wealth. And the illusion is only supported by superior military might.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:08:14 EDT (#)
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I've explained to you 100,000 times the interrealtion between war and economy. I shouldn't even HAVE to. A remedial background in history should illustrate the relationship between debt and war. Hell, you can look at the Romans for cues on that. The whole reason they were in your country in the first place was to plunder its riches. Very little has changed in 1000 years. Now we just plunder riches by running up a massive national debt and not paying it back.
War erases debt. That is often the REASON we go to war. Economy is a castle in the air, and everything is negotiable with an M-16 in your face.
If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. This is exactly the reason our leaders are able to keep up the lie, because people like you simply don't get it.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 14:07:35 EDT (#)
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ETS-
"As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing."
What countries back their currency with gold?
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-25 13:49:17 EDT (#)
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ithink much more focus should be on this ETS statement here....
'I understand this concept, don't get me wrong. You are right in a sense'
You are right in a sense...ETS said that. I think ladies and genrtlemen we have a first.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 13:23:38 EDT (#)
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"As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing. Our military ensures we continue to insert friendly regimes in key parts of the world that hold the oil reserves. All oil purchased in the world is purchased in dollars. This arrangement is the FOUNDATION of our strength. Take away any one piece of these support beams and the whole thing would collapse in world war.
This brings me to another point - another point you've overlooked because you're focusing only on the economic side of the argument and disregarding the geo-political effects - what if we suddenly found ourselves in a war with China? Or what if they started invading their neighbors and taking over the whole of southeast asia? How could we fight them when, as part owners of our debt, they would have to loan us the money to do so?
This leads me to yet another point... The only thing that keeps the investors interested in investing in the U.S. economy is their perception of our stability. It's the same reason why people typically put their money in Swiss bank accounts, because they haven't been successfully invaded in like...never. If this stability (be it illusion or empirical) is shaken, the investments will stop flowing in. The economy would grind to a screeching halt.
Think Great Depression all over again. The unrest of the Great Depression led eventually to WWII as Hitler sought a scape goat to his country's woes."
Your economy backs your dollar you idiot.
The collapse of the dollar would not lead to world war.
You think you couldn't fight china because they wouldn't lend you money?
How does that even work in your mind?
How is the US stability going to be shaken? There is I think a chance that a civil war, or some sort of independance of some states within the next 50 years or so. But that is nothing to do with the bloody national debt.
Why the fuck are you worried about the national debt?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 13:17:57 EDT (#)
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"decide to stop loaning us back our dollars or accepting them in the first place for their real goods"
Do you have ANY IDEA what you're talking about?
Are you trying to say that if you go into debt too much people might stop wanting the dollar and its value will crash?
So fucking what?
If the dollar was worth for example 10p as opposed to its current value of around 58p (thats a guess) Then your national debt would only be worth a sixth of what it is now too.
Did you seriously not think of that?
The national debt of a country cannot toally devalue its currency because as the currency falls the level of debt becomes insignificant.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-04-25 13:04:21 EDT (#)
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Well, I thought it was amusing.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 12:55:24 EDT (#)
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As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing.
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what's this about a gold backed dollar?
and face it douche bag, i know a lot more about everything than you do. it's a scientific fact, i could show you in a graph or something if you like. here's what it boils down to: you with your h.s. diploma and 9.95 an hour customer service "IT" job versus me knowing more than you. see how that works out? thanks.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-25 12:36:27 EDT (#)
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I think Electro got a 141 on one of those IQ tests
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-25 12:26:05 EDT (#)
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You don't know the first thing about it. You THINK you do, but you're just another little college-punk know-it-all. No one ever has anything to teach you because you think you know everything already. """
Another ego showdown between Electrictoothsyndrome vs random Uberuser.
I bet ETS bases his superior intellect on the results he had on web IQ tests (which make everybody geniuses)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 12:17:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:54:12 (#)
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this was embarrassing to read. you're the last person i'd want to give me a lesson on econ.
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You don't know the first thing about it. You THINK you do, but you're just another little college-punk know-it-all. No one ever has anything to teach you because you think you know everything already.
The fact that you buy the bullshit about Reaganomics speaks volumes.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 12:14:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:26:25 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 10:13:43 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 04:52:17 (#)
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...and the second part was, technically, economically, wrong. However at least you tried to be amusing.
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In what way?
You guys always make statements like that and never give me examples.
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Examples? you can't just give examples for something like that.
I can't be bothered to give you an economics lesson right now and if I try and summarise you'll tear it too shreds. Its hard to summarise stuff like this. But I'll try anyway.
National Debt doesn't matter. As long as you can pay the interest inflation will destroy the base amount in time. The US is never going to be the economic force it once was but I can't see it losing its 1st world status short of a civil war. Whats the worst that could happen? People are no longer willing to lend you money. You're saying they shouldn't borrow anyway, so whats your problem.
When has a 1st world country ever had big problems with its national debt? you really don't need to worry about it.
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I understand this concept, don't get me wrong. You are right in a sense. What you're missing is this: if foreign investors, who fund our massive deficit, decide to stop loaning us back our dollars or accepting them in the first place for their real goods, we no longer have the level of self-sufficiency in this country to care for our population, especially if we're stuck paying off this massive debt. Our military would grind to a halt because we couldn't fund it and still eat.
As you probably know, our military is about the only thing backing our dollar. It is pretty much the REASON we're allowed the luxury of printing money without gold backing. Our military ensures we continue to insert friendly regimes in key parts of the world that hold the oil reserves. All oil purchased in the world is purchased in dollars. This arrangement is the FOUNDATION of our strength. Take away any one piece of these support beams and the whole thing would collapse in world war.
This brings me to another point - another point you've overlooked because you're focusing only on the economic side of the argument and disregarding the geo-political effects - what if we suddenly found ourselves in a war with China? Or what if they started invading their neighbors and taking over the whole of southeast asia? How could we fight them when, as part owners of our debt, they would have to loan us the money to do so?
This leads me to yet another point... The only thing that keeps the investors interested in investing in the U.S. economy is their perception of our stability. It's the same reason why people typically put their money in Swiss bank accounts, because they haven't been successfully invaded in like...never. If this stability (be it illusion or empirical) is shaken, the investments will stop flowing in. The economy would grind to a screeching halt.
Think Great Depression all over again. The unrest of the Great Depression led eventually to WWII as Hitler sought a scape goat to his country's woes.
These are the cycles of man. They go on and on. We can either achieve balance and live wisely, or we can live out of balance and watch the ill effects eventually consume us as the pendulum swings the other way. It's not a question of 'if' but 'when'.
It's the natural order of things.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:54:12 EDT (#)
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this was embarrassing to read. you're the last person i'd want to give me a lesson on econ.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:47:37 EDT (#)
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what the hell is E? are you graded on the harry potter scale or something?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:47:11 EDT (#)
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encase you can't tell by the way this is the twelftth time I'm rating this post, I'm trying for most heated.
(I can't spell)
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:45:24 EDT (#)
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I don't know whta 4.0 means.
Is it better or worse than an E?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:42:41 EDT (#)
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i got a 4.0 in all my mac/mic ec classes. so what were you supposed to teach us?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:35:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:26:25 (#)
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Examples? you can't just give examples for something like that.
I can't be bothered to give you an economics lesson right now and if I try and summarise you'll tear it too shreds. Its hard to summarise stuff like this. But I'll try anyway.
National Debt doesn't matter. As long as you can pay the interest inflation will destroy the base amount in time. The US is never going to be the economic force it once was but I can't see it losing its 1st world status short of a civil war. Whats the worst that could happen? People are no longer willing to lend you money. You're saying they shouldn't borrow anyway, so whats your problem.
When has a 1st world country ever had big problems with its national debt? you really don't need to worry about it.
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What are you trying to do here woody?
You know ETS can't understand anything outside of the latest left wing conspiracy blog he has read.
National Debt is the biggest threat in the world anyone who doesn't see it is an idiot or working for the man, at least until next week, or tommorrow when he says gay vampires that were given aids by neo-cons are trying to wipe out africa.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 11:26:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 10:13:43 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 04:52:17 (#)
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...and the second part was, technically, economically, wrong. However at least you tried to be amusing.
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In what way?
You guys always make statements like that and never give me examples.
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Examples? you can't just give examples for something like that.
I can't be bothered to give you an economics lesson right now and if I try and summarise you'll tear it too shreds. Its hard to summarise stuff like this. But I'll try anyway.
National Debt doesn't matter. As long as you can pay the interest inflation will destroy the base amount in time. The US is never going to be the economic force it once was but I can't see it losing its 1st world status short of a civil war. Whats the worst that could happen? People are no longer willing to lend you money. You're saying they shouldn't borrow anyway, so whats your problem.
When has a 1st world country ever had big problems with its national debt? you really don't need to worry about it.
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-04-25 10:56:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-25 08:22:52 (#)
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Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-04-25 07:55:30 (#)
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New conspiracy for you to latch onto...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/incident_at_rebel_ridge.html
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Ha.
Oh no terrorists are trying to kill me!!!!!!!!
Still, pretty sucky that he couldn't get it stopped.
I wish I had a crop duster.... My ass would be buzzing a certain house in Evansville.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 10:29:28 EDT (#)
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Wanna know what the national debt is right now?
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Funny thing... It is projected that sometime in the next 2 years, the national debt clock will have to be replaced because it doesn't have enough digits: http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060327-062904-1451r
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-25 10:25:13 EDT (