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Cognitive Dissonance in the Mind of God (4553 hits)

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-29 20:50:24 EDT

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'Cognitive Dissonance' is what happens when the signs are so large and the clues so obvious and numerous as to be 'hiding in plain sight'. The human mind passes over them as if they are nonexistant. This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe.

Was it a history written by the ultra conservative Chistian right? Or was it a history written by the communist illuminati of the left?

To become aware of these forces and how their interaction rules the minds of people by keeping them constantly at odds with one another is to open what some would refer to as the 'third eye'. This is a mode of perception that transcends all limitation of party...sees the all-encompassing truth that forces beyond this world are in control. All the desires of mankind...all the things that make us tick, our history, our culture, our nationality, our religion...it's all one grand illusion.

Throughout history, our literature have reflected these central themes. What is the spirit of man? Do we have a soul? Is there more going on than only that which we see?

Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass
The Wizard of Oz
1984
The Holy Bible

What do all these books have in common? The central themes are of finding truth in a confusing world. Finding ourselves and our beliefs against an onslaught of chaos and insanity. Finding peace amid a world in turmoil.

The thinking man is no more than one who is willing to--at every stage, and even in the most fundamental of persuits--ask himself: where is the line between fantasy and history? Between illusion and reality? Has it really come back to a point where I must declare my existence based on the fact that I think at all? Is the only true answer 'I don't know'?

'Genius' and 'paranoid schizophrenia' are but two different perspectives of the same general misconception: that ultimate truth is out of our grasp.

The truth is a many-sided coin. To fail to turn the coin over is to fail to capture the entire truth and see the larger conspiracy which controls both sides by contstantly pitting them against one another.

Yet, to see truth and to articulate it across the vast gulf that separates the perceptions of one person from another is a far different matter.

Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking? Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear.

I could go on about 9/11.
I could go on about HAARP.
I could go on about the ultra-conservative, Christian New World Order.
I could go on about the Communist Left and the Illuminati and Federation of Man.

But all these things only obfuscate what it means to be a man and to see truth. They are but details in an ongoing story that stretches down into the core of who and WHAT we are here in this body...on this planet...in this space.

The first step is to awaken - to open the 'third eye'.

The next step is to realize that all that you see is so much mud on the psyche.

Then, the next step is when you realize that there truly are spiritual forces at work. These forces are necessary. These forces are eternal. The nature of the universe and the spirit is one of CIRCLES. To find the centre of this circle and, in effect, be outside it, looking upon it, is to find the meaning of 'OM'.

It is to become one with the vibration of the ages...with Time itself. It is at this point you will know your place as a cell in the Mind of God.

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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-02-12 23:52:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:32:18 (#)
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We are not this body. We are not these thoughts.

Awaken to the dream or wander like a lost babe into the nightmare.

Break out or succumb to the sickness.

Find peace in oneness or be torn asunder in the palace of fear and isolation.

There is a moment just as the predator has severed your jugular that acceptance of fate is a virtue, to seek refuge in the stillness outside the will to survive is to hear the all-powerful voice of God, to rise above this earthly body, and to remember who you are.
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This and the two ETS comments below it are two of the best ever.

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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-09-18 21:22:49 EDT (#)
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


AHAHAHHHHAhahahHAHAHAH

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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-05-05 15:46:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:09:03 (#)
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Spook,

if this is really you http://www.ubersite.com/m/84317 you should never ever threaten to punch someone in the face. If you said that to me in real life I would smack the faggot out of you. And then you would have nothing to do on saturday nights.
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hahaha

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Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2006-05-05 13:01:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:31:58 (#)
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Everything is relative?!

A FALLACY!

There is but one absolute

which, of course, is: There is but one absolute.
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wow, deep :P

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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-05-04 20:33:57 EDT (#)
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my buddhist altar needs to be dusted.


BUDDHA DOES NOT LIKE BEING DUSTY!!

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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-05-04 20:22:53 EDT (#)
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+2 for making the MVA, that'll show em your not crazy

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-04 16:57:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:31:58 EDT (#)
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Everything is relative?!

A FALLACY!

There is but one absolute

which, of course, is: There is but one absolute.

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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:22:11 EDT (#)
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outlook just popped up a reminder to call ETS a cunt.

Cunt.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:36:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:21:40 (#)
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I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

If you can't be bothered to read what is posted, and you don't have any knowledge of the subject than take your own advice and shut the fuck up.

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It's good to see you putting that engineering degree to good use by fucking off all day.

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Way to set an example of hard work by continuing to respond on Uber.

You sure showed me what hard work is.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:09:03 EDT (#)
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Spook,

if this is really you http://www.ubersite.com/m/84317 you should never ever threaten to punch someone in the face. If you said that to me in real life I would smack the faggot out of you. And then you would have nothing to do on saturday nights.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:07:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:53:46 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 (#)
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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Hit a little too close to home on that one too I see? I don't see how name calling is considered a threat. Forgive my opinion, but from what you type, you seem like a miserable person who is never content. Excuse me, but I must go earn my salary.
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What hit close to home? I think we have comfortably established that you are the miserable fuck. You may say that arguing over the internet is pathetic, but it is even more pathetic that it upsets you so much you threaten people. And no, name calling isn't considered a threat but saying, "in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit" is.

By the way saying "that hit a little too close to home" isn't a clever come back, no matter how many times you use it.


If I don't seem content, sorry. It would get a little boring if I repeated on every comment that I have a fiance, I own a house, I have a good job, I am healthy, I have traveled the world, etc. I don't come to the internet to brag, I come here to amuse myself when bored. Maybe I should do more constructive things on here like you. thats it I will go tell people how to have conversations like men and say I will punch them in real life, that will make me seem content.


Twat.

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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:00:39 EDT (#)
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by 'earn my salary' you really mean 'get my tampons,' don't you?

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:53:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Hit a little too close to home on that one too I see? I don't see how name calling is considered a threat. Forgive my opinion, but from what you type, you seem like a miserable person who is never content. Excuse me, but I must go earn my salary.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:46:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook



Ouch.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:28:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-03 11:22:33 (#)
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You're a twat spooky.



Hit a little too close to home with that 10th grade history teacher huh?

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 EDT (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-03 11:22:33 EDT (#)
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You're a twat spooky.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-03 08:02:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:23:20 (#)
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Sorry if I don't trust wack jobs from the internet. It's good to see you trust your friends. I trust you'll shut the fuck up because I know for a damn fact you don't know shit about anything BUT simple physics. You're probably a 10th grade history teacher, which makes you an expert on fucking nothing. I was not just talking to you either. I was speaking collectively to the entire group of idiots arguing back and forth like 12 year old girls. I didn't read what any of you morons wrote, nor do I care. When I see this back and forth between people WITHOUT any knowledge of the subject besides some random third party's opinion it pisses me off. If you know (in your own small mind) that you're right, suck it up and shut the fuck up. Men shouldn't argue like children on subjects they know little about. At least, not real men.
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

If you can't be bothered to read what is posted, and you don't have any knowledge of the subject than take your own advice and shut the fuck up.


"If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."
-Great to see what "real men" write about on the internet. Keep up with your internet threats tough guy, I will be sure to talk about this quietly in real life, just in case I ever run into you.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-03 07:49:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook

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hahahahahhahahahahha

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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 EDT (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:23:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:23:21 (#)
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"And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."



I have some idea what I'm talking about when it comes to science.

This is what my original comment was about, just because i am using the internet does not make me a fucking moron.

And My friend isn't in college, he earns £100K+. don't know how much exactly but hes fucking loaded, I respect his opinion on this subject more than ETS or Wardys and more than yours.

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about (I'm not exactly an expert, but I seem to have a much stronger grasp of simple physics than ETS) and my amte doesn't know wha hes talking about just because the discussion is taking place on the internet.

You don't know me. You don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

Tell me one 'inconslusive fact' I have stated, tell me which 'bullshit website' I got it from.

What crap am I talking you fuck.

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Sorry if I don't trust wack jobs from the internet. It's good to see you trust your friends. I trust you'll shut the fuck up because I know for a damn fact you don't know shit about anything BUT simple physics. You're probably a 10th grade history teacher, which makes you an expert on fucking nothing. I was not just talking to you either. I was speaking collectively to the entire group of idiots arguing back and forth like 12 year old girls. I didn't read what any of you morons wrote, nor do I care. When I see this back and forth between people WITHOUT any knowledge of the subject besides some random third party's opinion it pisses me off. If you know (in your own small mind) that you're right, suck it up and shut the fuck up. Men shouldn't argue like children on subjects they know little about. At least, not real men.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-03 05:11:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:45:41 (#)
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This is the last time I'm responding to your stupid ass, Wardy...

You find me ONE PICTURE. ONE SINGLE PHOTOGRAPH of a piece of an airplane...a wing, a fuselage, a suitcase, an engine, ANYTHING...from the field in Pennsylvania where Flight 93 'allegedly' crashed and I'll concede defeat on this issue.

Find me one photo of just ONE BODY from ANY of the four plane crashes of that day, and I will likewise concede defeat on this ENTIRE ISSUE.

I challenge you, sir.

*slap with silk glove*

Now get looking, bitch, and don't come back till you find something.

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read what you fucking wrote, moron.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-05-03 03:09:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:03:52 (#)
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http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html -- there you go, cunt. now leave ubersite. it looks like from the info there that finding substantial evidence of a fuselage after an accident of this nature would be next to impossible.
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Relevant link -2

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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:46:26 EDT (#)
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Flight 93 crashed on a field and stopped in a grove of trees at 584 mph. The trees would have acted similar to a building's support columns and torn the plane apart like in the Pentagon crash.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:35:20 EDT (#)
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Flight 93 was the one that crashed in the field you fucking idiot, but doesn't matter. I'm already leaving.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:03:52 EDT (#)
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http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html -- there you go, cunt. now leave ubersite. it looks like from the info there that finding substantial evidence of a fuselage after an accident of this nature would be next to impossible.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:26:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:13:57 (#)
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If anyone can find me a picture of a piece of Flight 93 or a body from Flight 93 I will leave ubersite and never come back.

Cross my heart and hope to die.

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The existence or not or availabiliy or not of pictures of fueselage prooves nothing.

Myself and others have stated many times, that Thermite could not have been used to demolish the WTC. We have prooved it way way way beyond reasonable doubt. So admit you are wrong or provide another explanation.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:23:21 EDT (#)
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"And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."



I have some idea what I'm talking about when it comes to science.

This is what my original comment was about, just because i am using the internet does not make me a fucking moron.

And My friend isn't in college, he earns £100K+. don't know how much exactly but hes fucking loaded, I respect his opinion on this subject more than ETS or Wardys and more than yours.

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about (I'm not exactly an expert, but I seem to have a much stronger grasp of simple physics than ETS) and my amte doesn't know wha hes talking about just because the discussion is taking place on the internet.

You don't know me. You don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

Tell me one 'inconslusive fact' I have stated, tell me which 'bullshit website' I got it from.

What crap am I talking you fuck.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:13:57 EDT (#)
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If anyone can find me a picture of a piece of Flight 93 or a body from Flight 93 I will leave ubersite and never come back.

Cross my heart and hope to die.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:45:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:55:17 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- oh, and is this really your idea of evidence?


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This is the last time I'm responding to your stupid ass, Wardy...

You find me ONE PICTURE. ONE SINGLE PHOTOGRAPH of a piece of an airplane...a wing, a fuselage, a suitcase, an engine, ANYTHING...from the field in Pennsylvania where Flight 93 'allegedly' crashed and I'll concede defeat on this issue.

Find me one photo of just ONE BODY from ANY of the four plane crashes of that day, and I will likewise concede defeat on this ENTIRE ISSUE.

I challenge you, sir.

*slap with silk glove*

Now get looking, bitch, and don't come back till you find something.

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Submitted by JumpingJax (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:39:36 EDT (#)
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Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul?

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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-05-02 16:35:55 EDT (#)
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To whomever it was that spent one American dollar on the Uberboard - and I realize that for some of you, this represents a huge percentage of your weekly bring home pay - I am currently working on a new post and expect to have to finished, complete with new camwhore to use on all of your photoshop projects, sometime between Thursday and September 4th.

Please, Shlongy asks for your patience. Thank you.

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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-05-02 15:14:23 EDT (#)
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Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking?""


No I did not know that.

Do you know WHY I didn't know that?

BECAUSE I AM NOT INSANE LIKE YOU.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:46:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:06:52 (#)
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You're all equally wankers, all of you think you're so right about everything.
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I'm not right about everything. If anything I don't give a shit about 9/11.


The only thing that bothers me is ETS thought process.

Which is extrapolating a small disparate fact into a complete and total govnerment conspiracy.

I know plenty of people who think there are is a lot of problems with the offical version. Hell, I do to. But I don't know anyone who assume it's the government or a new world order.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:06:52 EDT (#)
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You're all equally wankers, all of you think you're so right about everything.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:01:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.
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Are my questions stupid or is he the one being dense? I want a third party to tell me.

Am I the only one who thinks that this theory, while arguable on the details (Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, United 93, blah blah blah), doesn't fit too well on the big picture?

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you're right, he just has no counter. his only counter is "you're an idiot!! don't you see!!" and then he regurgitates everything again. all of which still doesn't make any sense if you actually look at it.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:55:17 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- oh, and is this really your idea of evidence?

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.

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hey there tough guy, why don't we settle down. i realize making hardcore violent threats over the internet to some guy you'll never meet probably makes your nillies get all hard and splooge-ready. trouble is, you're making a threat to a guy you will never see -- and also to a guy that couldn't give a rat's ass if you wanted to fight me.

OH NO!! I GOT IN AN ARGUMENT WITH A GUY ON THE INTERNET AND NOW HE'S GOING TO KILL ME FOR IT!!! STOMP ON MY FACE AND BREAK ME IN HALF!!!

get a fucking life loser.

oh, and thanks for helping we out with the video info, like i said, i'm not an expert. way to try and make me look like an ass when i clearly stated in my review i wasn't really sure what i was talking about -- you're really going to win people over like that.


although the video quality still is shit and doesn't show me anything.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:54:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.
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Are my questions stupid or is he the one being dense? I want a third party to tell me.

Am I the only one who thinks that this theory, while arguable on the details (Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, United 93, blah blah blah), doesn't fit too well on the big picture?

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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:27:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:21:25 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Sounds fun. One day we'll test that theory.
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i lift, i'll do it.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:24:19 EDT (#)
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You know, a normal person would pass away the information and let other people make up their mind.
Perhaps the next person would demand that the investigation be reopened but wuold not go as far as you to say that it,s the christian new world order and whatnot.

If you cared that much about your cause, and not your fucking ego, you would spend your time distributing this information, not cramming down YOUR interpretation of it down a few people's throat on Ubersite.

Why can't you be a normal person?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 EDT (#)
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Caul, I still didn't say Bush was BEHIND it all by his lonesome. Bush is a puppet. He's a face that those who wished to exert power through him used to their own ends. """

You just don't get it, do you? You still make shit up anyway. The fact that Silverstein said "pull" it or other anomalies doesn't prove these conclusions you're pulling out of your ass. Just because you FEEL Bush is a puppet controlled by powerful people who were the perpetrators of 9/11, doesn't make it so. It could be anything for all I care. You don't seem to realize that once you leave the territory of the arguments about Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, etc, YOU ARE IN FUCKING WONDERLAND!

You can argue about the anomalies as long as you want. But you still haven't provide a LOGICAL and COHESIVE explanation about WHY the government would do that, this way, this time, just once, with that many people, with AlQaeda...the loop holes are plenty!

All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:21:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Sounds fun. One day we'll test that theory.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:18:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:13:33 (#)
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seems to me that what you are saying is that we are playing part in a supernatural play that we have neither control of or a vision of what the outcome is.

that is to summarize

but if that is the case then why spend time trying to preach to us about 'doing the right thing' when, according to your idea here, we don't have a say anyway?

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No, I'm saying we all have supreme control over ourselves. To exercise such control and to be mindful of how we are affecting our surroundings is holy.

There is no such thing as 'supernatural'. Nature just happens to be deeper and wider than we have the ability to perceive right now in this body.




Caul, I still didn't say Bush was BEHIND it all by his lonesome. Bush is a puppet. He's a face that those who wished to exert power through him used to their own ends.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:13:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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THEN we would be one.
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what does that mean by the way...is ETS and highlander?
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ETS feels the quickening, don't be jealous.


Unless he wins the prize our civilization will crumble.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:12:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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THEN we would be one.
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what does that mean by the way...is ETS and highlander?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:11:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.




And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit.
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Regardless if I'm included in these people you're talking about or not, this is fucking hilarious

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:01:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.




HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*snort*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.




And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:44:16 EDT (#)
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but it would be the government's fault. because the goverment intervene's everywhere for no particular reason.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:42:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:37:07 (#)
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I got $50 on Wardy"""

I wouldn't do that. Bradley would probably pull out a knife or a gun. Look how fucking crazy he gets for internet rating, imagine fighting!

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He would accidently stab/shoot himself if he did.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:37:07 EDT (#)
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I got $50 on Wardy"""

I wouldn't do that. Bradley would probably pull out a knife or a gun. Look how fucking crazy he gets for internet rating, imagine fighting!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:15:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.


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I got $50 on Wardy.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 EDT (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:13:33 EDT (#)
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seems to me that what you are saying is that we are playing part in a supernatural play that we have neither control of or a vision of what the outcome is.

that is to summarize

but if that is the case then why spend time trying to preach to us about 'doing the right thing' when, according to your idea here, we don't have a say anyway?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:11:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.
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You're no more than fucking 140 pounds, you're aging and you're a drug addict. Quit acting like you're badass.

I WANNA THROW OVER THE GOVERNEMENT AND JOIN THE PEACE CORPS AND GO OFF THE GRID AND RIPS EVERYONE'S FACE ON THE INTERNET AND BE HUMANITY'S SELF-APPOINTED MESSENGER AND AND...

Quit talking so big and so loud when we all know you're a fucking powerless loser.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:08:12 EDT (#)
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Looks like ETS is pretty in touch with the oversoul, and understands we are all conected. """

Ahahaha, I love how gets pissed for the slightest thing.

Then he expect us not to be irritated when he pulls out the most retarded stuff out of his ass:

"The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming."

"[Good question. The ONLY thing preventing Bush from completely taking over after such an event was the existence of Congress. IF a third plane indeed crashed in that field in Pennsylvania, it's safe to speculate it could have decapitated Congress, thus allowing Bush to declare complete and total marshall law in the United States. IF that plane crashed there in that field, and there was a conspiracy that day, it's safe to assume someone either didn't follow orders at NORAD and stand down, or the plane was shot down and a story of the heros aboard was fabricated to make movies during election years and spur further blind nationalist sentiment.]"

then...

"You assume I think Bush was behind 9/11. I didn't say that. I said someone in the government was. If Bush was in on it, which I think he was, he wasn't the mastermind by any means. Bush is a puppet, plain and simple. The good folks at Exxon and in the military industrial complex are the real policy makers here. Why? M.O.N.E.Y."

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 EDT (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:00:34 EDT (#)
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we need your expertise on this post http://www.ubersite.com/m/87424

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:59:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:40:27 (#)
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PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT.

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Looks like ETS is pretty in touch with the oversoul, and understands we are all conected.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:59:26 EDT (#)
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PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT. """

Mr.Ego having a conniption again?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:40:27 EDT (#)
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Wardy:

Here's your fucking answer asshole...

You know nothing about video and it shows. Video is composed of a series of photographs strung in a row to create the illusion of movement.

You also know nothing about vanishing points and movement.

An object at 100 yards of depth in a frame traveling at 500mph is going to appear to move at the same speed as an object 50 yards in the frame at 250mph, or 25 yards in the frame at 125mph...

It's like when you look out the side of a car into the distance, then look at the ground right next to the car. Which one appears to be moving by faster? You should have figured this shit out as a fucking child.

See my point.

Get the cameraman following the object in motion and this effect is further canceled out.

But this is all a moot fucking point considering I've seen the videos and the goddamn airplanes (at least the second one) are NOT BLURS.




PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:52:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:14:38 (#)
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Indon, I asked a chemist friend if he knew anything about thermite.

Turns out your calculations (and mine) are a complete waste of time.

No matter how much thermite you packed around the beam, you would have to perform multiple applications to get it done. A single cover of thermite would no-where near be enough.

And it doesn't matter how much thermite that first time is, because the majority woudln't get to it because of all the other thermite in the way.

So What ETS is claiming, is that 'they' set off the thermite from a distance, went back into the building, applied more, left, set it off again, repeat until collapse.
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Makes sense to me, that also solves the nasty problem of not being able to fit in all that thermite.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:31:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:02:48 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 (#)
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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"

Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...
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I fear he is serious.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:20:05 EDT (#)
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"[I can't ram anything down your throats. I am not so naive as to believe that I can change your mind, Caul...or Indo's mind...or Woody's mind...I'm more concerned about the casual user who is undecided on this issue not being swayed by all the parroted bullshit from the official story pundits without knowing what they're fighting against. If they don't know, they can't be informed. So, yes, I will debate with you and I will address all your attacks or questions to the best of my ability. Not for your sake, but for theirs.]"


Oh, right, he speaks for the silent majority.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:17:28 EDT (#)
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"NO ONE CARES ANYMORE, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!! GIVE IT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

BRAD, STOP, CAUL STOP. EVRYONE STOP TEH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

No, its fun.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.



Indon, I asked a chemist friend if he knew anything about thermite.

Turns out your calculations (and mine) are a complete waste of time.

No matter how much thermite you packed around the beam, you would have to perform multiple applications to get it done. A single cover of thermite would no-where near be enough.

And it doesn't matter how much thermite that first time is, because the majority woudln't get to it because of all the other thermite in the way.

So What ETS is claiming, is that 'they' set off the thermite from a distance, went back into the building, applied more, left, set it off again, repeat until collapse.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 EDT (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:24:09 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:17:14 (#)
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Ok I'm off.

You can't really ask me for the maths because even you would find it hard to argue with concepts such as 2+2=4

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I rest my case.

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*is confused*

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-05-02 03:52:26 EDT (#)
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once again, you retards:

http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361

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Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-05-02 03:45:45 EDT (#)
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If you meet the buddha, kill the buddha
If you see the ETS, kill the ETS
Free of everything you are bound by nothing
Live the life that is given to you

That's buddhism for you, "I'm TELLING YOU to live your life for yourself!"

Dunno why i went on that tangent, put simply I dont really like you.

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-02 02:41:15 EDT (#)
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Life is like a giant penis: When it's hard you get fucked,
when it's soft you can't beat it.



NO ONE CARES ANYMORE, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!! GIVE IT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

BRAD, STOP, CAUL STOP. EVRYONE STOP TEH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whew!!! Sorry...........

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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-05-02 02:12:00 EDT (#)
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shut the fuck up already

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Submitted by beer-turtle (user info) at 2006-05-02 01:55:49 EDT (#)
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welcome to zen and the truth of being...

we are nothing, we are everything, we are a perceiveed moment in time.

energy can not be destroyed only transformed

Matter is organized energy.

We are one, but part of all.

or maybe i'm just high...and it's alright.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 01:19:44 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959495 -- so please answer this question and the one above it. i wouldn't think it should be that hard for you...

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 00:36:27 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/01/us.japan.military.ap/index.html

Well that only took....carry the 1........70 or so years. Must be the going rate for military conquest these days.

That means we'll be out of Iraq by 2073. HEY!!! Just in time for the U.S. tricentennial! I hear it's gonna be an awesome party. With flags and.....stuff...:|

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 00:13:43 EDT (#)
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I guess the same reason you might choose to make one.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 23:09:26 EDT (#)
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you're right, why would you actually respond with some sort of logic based argument?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 23:02:51 EDT (#)
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Go get punched in the face Wardy.


There's you fucking response.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 22:43:27 EDT (#)
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what a surprise, ets doesn't have a response...

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 21:46:05 EDT (#)
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0 on 327. Heh.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:52:47 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- i really hope you don't consider this picture to be any sort of conclusive evidence...

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:36:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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Bullshit. MANY of the things I have said are those that can be actively verified by simply purchasing a tape of the 9/11 disaster and seeing the actual footage in slow motion of the planes hitting the towers. Even a child can see those were not UA planes by the relief of the underbellies. A cursory comparison to an actual UA jet underbelly will show you this. You can see it for yourself. It's right in plain sight.

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i'm not an expert on video integrity, but i'm pretty sure if you slow down a close shot of a plane moving somewhere in the vicinity of 550 mph, it's going to look like a blur. my guess is you could extrapolate that it looks like anything from a commercial jet to a giant wad of jizzum from the lord jeebus himself.

but like i said, i'm not an expert on video integrity.



something tells me that you're not an expert on anything.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:25:10 EDT (#)
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Julie you are right about one thing. Who cares who is right or wrong.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 (#)
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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.
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People forget quickly so 9/11 has little do with Iran. Why would Europe be so uneasy about Iran either? They didn't have a 9/11 and your petro-dollar theory only benefits them.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEARCH FOR EVIL FORCES ALL THE TIME! THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY A VERY BORING PLACE!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:16:30 EDT (#)
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Here is the math.


Grimmer is mistaken on a few places, but the biggest is his number for the specific heat of Fe being a constant. As you heat something up the specific heat goes up, so his numbers are lower than they should be.


http://www.physics911.ca/Grimmer:_Possible_Use_Of_Thermite_in_WTC

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:15:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 (#)
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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.

Like I said before, this will happen again and again. This isn't some fucking car wreck with a drunk driver I'm trying to put behind bars. Pull your head out of your ass and see the world is round.
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And you think proving your little conspiracy theory and showing how we were all lied to will change any of this? EVERYONE KNOWS the war in Iraq is bullshit and it's based on lies but have you seen anything change? No, like you said, people are still dying over there. And please explain why you think proving what did or didn't happen on 9/11 will stop the war with Iran.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:13:34 EDT (#)
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The best on-line discussion resource found for these calculations was at Ref. (10). According to this source the inner core consisted of from 44 to 47 box columns (the exact number and layout is not known; the architectural firm had not released the construction drawings). The dimensions of the columns reduced in size with increasing height, changing to I-beams above the 85th floor. The above website article assumes (generously) that each core box column has the following (average) X-section: 12"wide x 36"deep x 2" thick.

If w = box column width, d = depth, and t = thickness, then the X-sectional steel area is given by

A = [d x t + (w-2 x t) x t] x 2. For d = 36", t = 2" and w = 12", then

A = [36" x 2" + (12"-2 x 2") x 2] x 2 = 176 in2 = 1.222 ft2.

Floor height was 12ft, so we choose for discussion sake, a 12' high box column in these calculations. Note that multiple floors could have had thermite-type compounds placed there. Also, no more than a foot portion, rather than a full 12 ft of column would be necessary to collapse that floor. Also, complete melt of a column portion is not necessary to cause collapse. So, per floor, per column there is a steel volume V = 12' x 1.222 ft2 = 14.67 ft3. Also, note that the internal X-sectional area of a box column is given by

Aint = [d-(2 x t)] x [w- (2 x t)], and the internal volume by Vint = 12' x [d - (2 x t)] x [w - (2 x t)].

Here, Vint = 12' x [36"-2 x 2"] x [12"- 2 x 2"]/(144 in2/ft2) = 12' x 1.778 ft2 = 21.333 ft3.

The internal volumes will be re-examined later as a possible space to place the thermite.

The website also mentions that the largest box columns used at the core bases had the dimensions of 16" wide x 36" deep x 4" thick. It is not known where exactly the molten steel, that puddled in the WTC basement, originated in the towers. The melt could have occurred some what higher in the columns (where "average" box columns would have been), or at the base where the "largest" box columns were. Molten material would flow down the various WTC shafts to the lowest point possible, 6 stories (some 72') below ground level. Applying the same formulae as above, we have for these "largest" columns, A= [36" x 4" + (16" - 2 x 4") x 4"] x 2 = 352 in2 = 2.444 ft2. Note that this happens to be twice the area as for the "average" box column assumed above. Again, for a 12' column, V = 12' x 2.444 ft2 = 29.328 ft3. Also, here, the internal volume is Vint = 12' x [36' - 2 x 4"] x [16' -2 x 4"]/144" = 18.667 ft3.

In summary, we have for a 12 ft. high core box-column, for a

12" wide x 36"deep x 2" wall thickness (hereafter referred to as an "average" box column), that it has 14.67 ft3 = 0.415 m3 volume of steel, and 21.33 ft3 = 0.604 m3 of internal volume; and

16" wide x 36" deep x 4" wall thickness (hereafter referred to as a "largest" box column), that it has 29.328 ft3 = 0.832 m3 of steel and 18.667 ft3 = 0.529 m3 of internal volume.

Sensible and Latent Heat Energies Needed for Melting a Core Column Section

Knowing the volume of steel involved, we next turn our attention to calculating the energy needed to melt a core column section. We decided to use values for the element iron rather than steel for the following pragmatic reasons:

steel is mostly iron (Fe);

whatever steel is chosen, may be the wrong kind and would be contested: Fe is a given and known quantity, whereas there are many steels;

Fe values found were readily available and reasonably self-consistent;

except for stainless steels, the thermal properties of steel are relatively close to Fe, although the mechanical properties may certainly differ more.

For Fe we will use the following values:

Density = 7874 kg/m3
Melting point = 1811 K = 1538 C
Specific heat = 25.1J/mol K = 449 J/kg K = 0.449 kJ/kg K
Latent heart of fusion = 13,800 J/mol = 2.47 x 10+5 J/kg
Latent heat of evaporation = 347,000 J/mol = 6.21 x 10+3 kJ/kg
mol = gm mole equivalent = 0.0558 kg for Fe

For a 12 ft high core Fe column, we have

for the "average" box column, 0.415 m3 x 7874 kg/m3 = 3267.71 kg Fe; and

for the "largest" box column, 0.832 m3 x 7874 kg/m3 = 6551.17 kg Fe.

Taking 300 K as "ambient" temperature on 9-11, then the temperature difference up to the melting point of Fe is given by

1811 K - 300 K = 1511 K (give or take a few degrees K).

Hence, the energy needed to raise a 12 ft high Fe column to its melting point temperature is given by

for an "average" column, 3267.71 kg x 1511 K x 0.449 kJ/kg K = 2.22 x 10+6 kJ; and

for a "largest" column, 6551.17 kg x 1511 K x 0.449 kJ/kg K = 4.44 x 10+6 kJ.

To actually melt the Fe at 1511 K, we need to provide the latent heat of fusion:

for "average" column, 3267.71 kg x 2.47 x 10+2 kJ/kg = 8.07 x 10+5 kJ; and

for "largest" column, 6551.17 kg x 2.47 x 10+2 kJ/kg = 1.62 x 10+6 kJ.

Thus we see that the sensible heat energies involved are almost a factor of 3 times larger than the latent heats.

Hence, for the total amount of energy needed to melt a 12 ft high Fe column, we need:

for "average" box column, (2.22 + 0.81) x 10+6 kJ = 3.03 x 10+6 kJ; and

for "largest" box column, (4.44 + 1.62) x 10+6 kJ = 6.06 x 10+6kJ

Energies of the Thermite Reaction

An iron oxide/aluminum "thermite" mixture consists of 23.7% Al, 74.7% Fe2O3 by weight, in the reaction

Fe2O3 + 2 Al => Al2O3 + 2 Fe + 849 kJ/mol.

Thus, 849 kJ of energy are released for every g-mole-equivalent (mol) of Fe2O3 that reacts with 2 mol of Al.

For Al, with a density of 2.699 g/cm3, there are 26.98 g/mol.

For Fe2O3, with a density of 5.24 g/cm3, there are 159.70 g/mol.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:12:55 EDT (#)
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So then, 159.70 g of Fe2O3 + 53.96 g of Al (213.66 g total) produces 849 kJ of energy, or 3.974 kJ/g = 3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg (Note that this gives the proper % component mixtures by weight).

For an infinitesimally compacted powder mixture, this would occupy a volume of 159.70g x (cm3/5.24 g) + 53.96 g x (cm3/2.699 g) = (30.48 + 20.0) cm3 = 50.48 cm3.

A separate analysis of a CuO/Al thermite mixture (used to weld copper parts) indicates a powder packing fraction of 0.82 (82%) can be achieved. Let's assume a powder packing fraction of 0.82. Hence, our Fe2O3/Al thermite mixture would occupy not 50.48 cm3, but 61.5 cm3.

Thus the physical density of our densely-packed Fe2O3/Al thermite mixture is

213.66 g/61.5 cm3 = 3.474 g/cm3 = 3.474 x 10+6 g/m3 = 3.474 x 10+3 kg/m3,

and our energy density (per volume) is given by

849 kJ/61.5 cm3 = 13.805 kJ/cm3 = 1.3805 x 10+7 kJ/m3.

Thus to melt a 12 ft high Fe column, we need

for an "average" column, (3.03 x 10+6 kJ)/(3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg) = 0.7625 x 10+3 kg = 762.5 kg of thermite. This would occupy a volume of 762.5 kg/(3.474 x 10+3 kg/m3) = 0.219 m3. Note that this volume of thermite is less than the internal volume Vint calculated earlier, 0.604 m3. Actually, the internal volume of the "average" box column could be filled with 0.604 m3/0.219 m3 = 2.76 times more than needed to do the job. Alternatively, the column does not require as high a packing density ( i.e. <0.82) and yet be able to load a sufficient charge of thermite mixture to cause melting

for a "largest" column, (6.06 x10+6 kJ)/(3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg) = 1524.9 kg thermite. This would occupy a volume of 1524.9 kg/(3.974 x 10+3 kg/m3) = 0.439 m3. Note that this volume of thermFite also is less than the earlier calculated Vint = 0.529, but would require a moderately high packing density, approximately > 0.82 x 0.439/0.529 = 0.68.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:12:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 (#)
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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"



Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...
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I bet he's not. It's not the first time he dissociates himself from humans (because he's not one, he's above us) and goes into a nervous breakdown while doing so.

But hey, who cares...LARRY SILVERSTEIN SAID "PULL" OMG!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:02:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 (#)
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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"



Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:59:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.


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I didn't ignore anything you said. I responded to each and everything you said one at a time.


None of it's verifiable?

Silverstein didn't say "pull it"?

The Pentagon tapes weren't confiscated and hidden from the public???

The steel wasn't carted off to Asia???

The planes don't shoot something at the towers before impact as I've seen with my own two eyes in slow motion video???

The planes don't sport large 3-dimensional bulges on their undercarriages indicating they're NOT United Airlines jets?

What's that? We have photographs of the bodies of the victims of the plane crashes, or more detailed pictures of the crash sites themselves?

What's that? All this information is public now? Really!?!? So I've been crazy all this time when all I had to do was go to a website and order the information???

I'm sorry, my bad. Nothing I've said is factual or verifiable in the LEAST!
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YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Can't you read you're own fucking language? I never referred to that evidence except for saying it's been interpreted in thousand ways.

WHAT I SAID, ABOUT A HUNDRED TIMES, AND NOW READ CAREFULLY: YOUR PREMISE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DID IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE WITH REALITY.

Except for your lame comeback this afternoon about the 4th plane that was intended on the capitol so Bush could declare martial law, you still have not explained us why did they use such a COMPLICATED fucking plan that could've been simplier, a lot more effective and actually relate Iraq to the attacks. You have not explained why the government has not reitarate the attacks and relate them to Iraq when the support for war felt. Why in all its evil, is it not doing these simple things that could help it out? Why does Al Qaeda statements fit with the official version? Why, why, why, YOU HAVE NO IDEA! ALL YOU KEEP SPOUTING OFF IS THAT EVIDENCE BUT AGAIN, YOU USE IT TO PROVE A THEORY THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN EVEN WITH SPECULATIONS! WAY TO GO, EINSTEIN!

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:46:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:30:33 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958961 -- i can't believe nobody found this review to be hilarious...
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this guy is the master of logical fallacy.

His arguing on secondary arguments but he completly fails to explain why is theory exists in the 1st place. I suppose it's really important to nitpick on how WTC-7 collapsed when you can't explain why the government would do it.

"Um, uh, the government did it Bush wanted to dictate the world, but like it failed because the 4th plane didn't reach the Capitol so Bush just decided to ride the fear wave but it didn't work either because of free speech and bush didn't taught of that, so you know, Bush is really kinda like a puppet you know? It's Exxon and the guys with money who did it...so yeah, that's why the government did it."

That's basically what he came up with. You could tell he was making that shit up as he went along.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:42:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.


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I didn't ignore anything you said. I responded to each and everything you said one at a time.


None of it's verifiable?

Silverstein didn't say "pull it"?

The Pentagon tapes weren't confiscated and hidden from the public???

The steel wasn't carted off to Asia???

The planes don't shoot something at the towers before impact as I've seen with my own two eyes in slow motion video???

The planes don't sport large 3-dimensional bulges on their undercarriages indicating they're NOT United Airlines jets?

What's that? We have photographs of the bodies of the victims of the plane crashes, or more detailed pictures of the crash sites themselves?

What's that? All this information is public now? Really!?!? So I've been crazy all this time when all I had to do was go to a website and order the information???

I'm sorry, my bad. Nothing I've said is factual or verifiable in the LEAST!

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:41:02 EDT (#)
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Because the World is round it turns me on. . .

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:26:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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[My conclusion is a personal one based on the empirical facts...facts that I have seen with my own eyes. Until the government allows another investigation and presents NEW facts to counter my serious questions, or releases ALL the evidence it has on 9/11, I will not be convinced by the official story, because to me it does not hold up to scrutiny.]
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Hahahaha! Do you honestly think they'd do another investigation just to change some unimportant loser's mind? They don't care what you think and even if you are right about any of this, it wouldn't matter because 1) no one but your mother and your internet girlfriend will ever listen to you when you're a big, insane nobody sitting at a computer in the middle of nowhere and 2) this happened 5 YEARS AGO and nothing you say or do can change the past and bring back all the people who died.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and shut the fuck up about this.

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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.

Like I said before, this will happen again and again. This isn't some fucking car wreck with a drunk driver I'm trying to put behind bars. Pull your head out of your ass and see the world is round.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:30:33 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958961 -- i can't believe nobody found this review to be hilarious...

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 EDT (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.

[Bullshit. MANY of the things I have said are those that can be actively verified by simply purchasing a tape of the 9/11 disaster and seeing the actual footage in slow motion of the planes hitting the towers. Even a child can see those were not UA planes by the relief of the underbellies. A cursory comparison to an actual UA jet underbelly will show you this. You can see it for yourself. It's right in plain sight. Furthermore, if you slow the footage down, you can see, in both instances, some sort of insindiary device is shot at the tower just before impact. It's undeniable and, again, it's concrete, empirical evidence. The fact that I've never seen any pictures of bodies or wreckage from either of the two other sites, Pentagon and Pennsylvania, is yet another gaping hole in the official story. For, if we are to believe the official story, we should also be wont to believe that news coverage, the kind that exhaustively covers all such plane crashes, would show the exact same sort of wreckage that we see in them. But where was that coverage? Where was the media? And what about building 7? Despite the official story that jet fuel caused the main towers to collapse straight down on themselves by weakening due to fire and subsequent pancaking of the floors, none of that applies to building 7. Add in Silverstein's little "pull it" slip up, which is, again, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, and things really start coming together. On top of that, for shits and giggles, let's throw in the Northwoods document, which gives clear instructions on how to attack our own civilian and military targets and pin it on a foreign power, and you can see why I'd suspect the US government. We have the most powerful military in the fucking world and you mean to tell me they couldn't pull something like this off?]
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What you call "empirical evidence" has been interpreted A THOUSAND WAYS.

But you still ignored the part where I said you haven't been able to fit your theory in the context of reality. Your theory that the government did it to become all powerful doesn't fit with reality at all. It doesn't.
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[You know I'm not doing that. You KNOW it. I just left you a whole shitload of reviews offering a perspective why the government might be responsible for such an act. That little comment is not going to fly, Caul, because you KNOW it's wrong.]"""

You did do that. I even summed it up in my review but you left it out, classic ETS style.

"All you did is make up some stuff that barely held together in the same paragraph. You actually said that the plane was headed for the capitol and supposed to decapitate congress to give Bush full power. Then you said it didn't work so Bush decided to ride the patriotic wave. But that he can't control freedom of speech so his ratings are plummeting. Then you went on a different tangent saying it's the military industrials and other people with money that staged this. And so on... "

That's just the product of your imaginination and makes no fucking sense with REALITY.

Your governenment would not have to use such a complex plan that would involve way too much people. Your government has gained little power from this. And it has not reitiarate the feat to reboost its faltering support. Al Qaeda's version would not corroborate with the Bush administration. The list is fucking endless...YOUR THEORY THAT THE GOVERNMENT DID IT MAKES NO SENSE, ONLY THE TECHNICALITIES YOU FOCUS ON DO.

The point is, you can say you have empirical evidence as much as you want but if your premise doesn't makes sense, what the fuck are you arguing about in the 1st place?

Why is it so hard to understand?
Why must you be so fucking retarded?

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:26:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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[My conclusion is a personal one based on the empirical facts...facts that I have seen with my own eyes. Until the government allows another investigation and presents NEW facts to counter my serious questions, or releases ALL the evidence it has on 9/11, I will not be convinced by the official story, because to me it does not hold up to scrutiny.]
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Hahahaha! Do you honestly think they'd do another investigation just to change some unimportant loser's mind? They don't care what you think and even if you are right about any of this, it wouldn't matter because 1) no one but your mother and your internet girlfriend will ever listen to you when you're a big, insane nobody sitting at a computer in the middle of nowhere and 2) this happened 5 YEARS AGO and nothing you say or do can change the past and bring back all the people who died.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and shut the fuck up about this.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:05:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:40:00 (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:33:48 (#)
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apparently, somebody just smoked a HUGE bowl of da 'erb before posting this.
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If by "'erb" you mean "insanity," then yes.

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Yea, well, I was pretty drunk when I wrote this post. And I was in a weird mood.

As for the reviews, at least today's reviews, I am perfectly clear in what I'm saying.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:02:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:41:57 (#)
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PEFECT CASE OF ETS IGNORING ENTIRE REPLIES AND SELECTING WHAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE AN ASS!

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Perfect example of Caul not giving me a chance to reply to the whole thing.

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