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Submitted by kaos-king (antius777) (View user info) at 2006-05-26 23:44:33 EDT
I blame Jack McCallum for starting all of this... http://www.ubersite.com/m/88383
I started this article a couple of times here. Once I was going to go back and discuss a bit of Jack's post, then I thought I would give out the definition of the word "Child." Neither seemed to quite capture what I wanted to get across in this piece. I wanted something that would sum up how I felt, something that would get across my feelings in the briefest of way. Then I realized George Carlin had already said it...
"Fuck the children."
Yes George, they do get entirely way too much attention. At what point did we decide it was a good idea to raise a generation of Weaklings and Fools? We are so busy being selfishly terrified for ourselves, not for our children, that we have lost all connection with reality. Hear No, See No, Speak No Evil - No matter what the cost? Would you really rather have a sheltered little creature, too scarred of the big bad outside world, let alone have no abilities to deal with it? Or would you take it another step further and just have the perfect programmed automaton.
The best part is, Ladies and Gentlemen, our kids are way smarter than we give them credit for. This means they are smarter than us. Thank the Fluffy Jaysis for small miracles...
What happens to most of us in our mid-twenties? What turns us into bitter reproductions of our own parents? What makes us suddenly forget all the sensations and vivid memories of our own youth? What makes us sell out to all the preconceived bullshit notions that we told ourselves we would never adopt? What makes us so suddenly old, so suddenly sad?
Kids are bastards. Think real hard now... can't you recall that one douchebag kid who was in 3rd grade with you who called you a swear word for the first time? When was the first time you felt racist, sexist or you yourself outcasted? 4th, maybe 5th grade? When was the first time you went to one of those make-out parties, 7th grade? Got drunk as a freshman and lost your virginity the year after, right? Yep... you were a NORMAL KID.
Now, (clutch your head tightly as you read this) understand your kids will be doing all that same stuff, just a bit younger for each transaction.
Maybe it's because the concept of our children engaging in those things makes us feel old. Maybe it's because we're a little jealous of the new discoveries they're making without us, rendering us more and more obsolete every year they grow older. Maybe we just are terrified of the wonders they will see, the mistakes they will make. But that, my friends, is all part of what it means to be human...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7668788/ and http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/06/eveningnews/main1286130.shtml are both articles from reputable news sources, using tabloid sensationalism to hype parents into the fear of Predators on MySpace. After you read the articles, go back and take another look. These kids know FULL WELL what they are doing. Young boys with their shirts off, young girls revealing their thongs... they know, indeed.
Do you have a teenager? Guess what, they've engaged in oral sex and have tried at least alcohol and marijuana. You did, too. "But my time following Phish around for a year doesn't count! I was 20 years old!!!" Uh-uh... and you were a veteran at your practices by then as well. And that was years ago, culture is evolving around us.
You see, we as a nation put Youth on a pedestal. We glorify and idolize certain aspects of the young. (We ignore the rest.) And our Youth are smiling and acting out more and more like shorter adults. Did you read the part where I said about the young girls wearing thongs? Do you know why that is. Because they make thongs for 13 year olds and parents buy them for their daughters. Awww, it's so cute! Right... is that what she told you, her reasons for wanting them? Sucker.
Hell, when schools are trying to block sites like MySpace, the kids are just hacking into it anyhow! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31923 From this website... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11064451/ comes this wonderful quote, ""When "Dateline" surfed MySpace, we found scenes of binge drinking, apparent drug use, teens posing in underwear, and other members simulating sex, and in some cases even having it."" Gee, so you're saying the kids were already doing this shit, but now you're just pissed because to have to see it and deal with it? Interesting...
So yeah, there are some really bad, sick fucks out there that would really hurt our kids if they could. We SHOULD be aware of that, and honestly, our kids should know that this is a dangerous world. But give the little bastards some credit... they ARE our spawn, they were born with a soft, gooey center of cynicism, rage and loathing.
The Kids, They Are Al'right...
In fact, http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050124_sex_school.html Just make sure to click on the image directly beneath the article to understand a bit better...
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I agree, though I think children should be beaten more often. And maybe stabbed.
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part 2
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Each of the seventeen chapters is a self-sustaining argument in support of Mintz's thesis, that "a series of myths have clouded public thinking about the history of American childhood". These are: the myth of the "happy childhood"; the myth of "home as a haven and bastion of stability in an ever-changing world"; the myth that childhood "is the same for all children, a status transcending class, ethnicity, and gender"; the myth that the United States is a "peculiarly child-friendly society, when in actuality Americans are deeply ambivalent about children"; and the most prevalent myth, "the myth of progress, and its inverse, a myth of decline". Out of the historian's teeming store of research notes, aAn outline of the history of American children emerges in three overlapping phases: "premodern childhood", which coincides with the colonial era, a "period in which the young were viewed as adults in training"; "modern childhood" which emerges in the eighteenth century, when "a growing number of parents began to regard children as innocent, malleable, and fragile creatures who needed to be sheltered from contamination"; and our contemporary "postmodern childhood", the consequence of an era of the "breakdown of dominant norms about the family, gender roles, age, and even reproduction".
To the "children of the covenant" - the English Puritans who settled Massachusetts in the early 1600s - children were likely to seem bestial (since they crawled, like beasts) and riddled with the contamination of original sin: as a revered Puritan elder charged, babies were "filthy, guilty, odious, abominable . . . both by nature and practice". The only cure for childhood was to prepare children for salvation and induct them into the world of work as quickly as possible. To more enlightened adults of the eighteenth century, children's souls were far less significant than their capacity for work as indentured servants, cabin boys, even soldiers; parents sold children as young as eight or nine to well-to-do householders, and, of course the children of Negro slaves were the possessions of their parents' masters, frequently taken from their parents to be sold. During the Civil War, approximately 5 per cent of soldiers were under eighteen and some were as young as ten; countless children were engaged in the war effort as drummers, messengers, hospital nurses and orderlies. The first textile mill in the United States opened in 1790 with "a workforce consisting of seven boys and two girls, ages seven to twelve, who operated the factory's seventy-two spindles". Well into the twentieth century, children were employed as farm labourers and factory workers.
In such chapters as "Save the Child" and "Children Under the Magnifying Glass", Mintz examines the efforts of reform-minded Americans to ameliorate the living conditions of children and a subsequent focusing on children and adolescents as objects of psychological interest; the period from 1865 to 1910 was a "golden age" of American children's fiction (Horatio Alger's Ragged Dick, Louisa May Alcott's Little Women, Lucy Eleanor Porter's Pollyanna, Booth Tarkington's Penrod, Kate Douglas Wiggin's Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm), as well as an age in which public education was extended. The "psychologizing" of youth seems to have begun in the 1920s, suggesting that "parenting was a skill that had to be learned and that improper parenting could have disastrous psychological consequences. Above all, child psychologists tended to blame almost all of
children's misconduct on faulty mothering".
It was during the Second World War that teen culture began to dominate, and to distract, the public's attention: December 30, 1942, saw the birth of the screaming teenage "bobby-soxer" with the debut of a scrawny young singer from Hoboken, New Jersey, named Frank Sinatra at New York's Paramount Theater. From this, the "youthquake" (as Mintz calls it) of the 1950s and 60s would seem to follow inevitably, culminating in the extraordinary youth consumer culture of the present. In his penultimate chapter, "Parental Panics and the Reshaping of Childhood", Mintz examines the often hysterical reactions of adults to purported dangers threatening their children, from unfounded accusations of sexual molestation to a general fear of abduction, internet pornography, sexual promiscuity, drug taking, and the possible link between "grunge, hip-hop, and youth violence". As American society has grown ever more conservative in the past several decades, it would seem that adults' hostility towards youth - "rooted in fear of disorder, and loss of control; fear of ageing, and envy of life not yet squandered", as the social critic Edgar Z. Friendenberg eloquently remarked - has been disguised as efforts to "help" the young.
The American physicist Steven Weinberg has famously remarked, "the more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless". Whether human history is similarly pointless or whether, as historians occasionally propose, there is a "design" shaping what appears to be drift and chaos, is a matter of conjecture. Notoriously, those who see a purpose to history are likely to be arguing for the supremacy of one race, religion or nation-state over all others. o argue "evolution" in history is a risky proposition. Darwinists see evolution as the slow, random and indeed pointless consequence of natural selection, and contemporary historians are just as likely to see history as the consequence of myriad factors, all of them accidental and contingent. Huck's Raft is a work of scholarly integrity and humanist zeal, clearly the work of a liberal-minded historian who sees American history as moving - not "evolving" - in the direction of ever more restriction and conformity. We live in a time, Mintz says, of a "deepening contradiction between the child as dependent juvenile and the child as an incipient adult". Who would envy Huck Finn his battered childhood, Mintz asks; yet Huck enjoyed "something too many children are denied and which adults can provide: opportunities to undertake odysseys of self-discovery outside the goal-driven, over-structured realities of contemporary childhood". Perhaps, after all, Steven Mintz shares some of the romantic yearnings of so many of his fellow Americans as if, at the conclusion of the exhausting saga of American childhood, he, too, has forgotten that Huck Finn is, and has always been, a fiction.
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part1
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Childhood in America
Joyce Carol Oates
09 March 2005
Curious that, though we have all been children, we scarcely know what childhood "is". A biological condition? A span of years? A social construct? An ever-evolving compendium of myths that represent society's projections of its ideals and anxieties onto its youngest, most vulnerable members? As our personal recollections of childhood are likely to be highly unreliable, taken as much from family albums and photographs, family tales and obfuscations as from direct memory, so our collective history of childhood is likely to be sentimental and simplified, a kind of cartoon nostalgia for an idealized past that never was. As Steven Mintz argues in this often fascinating and massively documented exploration of four centuries of American childhood, "there has never been a time when the overwhelming majority of American children were well cared for and their experience idyllic. Nor has childhood ever been an age of innocence, for most children".
Huck's Raft is an inspired title for a book that deconstructs images, prejudices, "wisdom". On the jacket is what appears to be an illustration of Huckleberry Finn alone and blissfully carefree on his raft on the fabled Mississippi, some time in the mid-nineteenth century; in fact, the photograph is of Charles Lindbergh as a boy rafting on the Mississippi c1912. It is Professor Mintz's argument that American fantasies about childhood are most succinctly (and erroneously) bound up with such idyllic images: the romance of a neverland in which children and young adolescents enjoyed unlimited freedom and were not exploited and abused by their elders. It may have been that Mark Twain shared something of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's idealization of childhood, as he valued nature over the hypocrisy of society, yet the painful evidence of Huckleberry Finn is that its boy-hero is "an abused child, whose father, the town drunk, beat him for going to school and learning to read". In Hannibal, Missouri, in Huck's time, before the Civil War destroyed Southern slavery, life for many Americans was likely to be nasty, brutish and short: even among the middle class, approximately one child in four died in infancy, and one individual in two before his or her twenty-first birthday. The notion of a lengthy childhood, "devoted to education and free from adult responsibilities, is a very recent invention, and one that became a reality for a majority of children only after World War II".
The chimera of "family values" was an adroitly manipulated issue in the 2004 Presidential election, and nostalgia for a lost Eden remains an obsessive American theme. Each generation is convinced that life was better, and certainly more "moral", in the past, no matter what the actual conditions of the past. Contemporary diatribes such as the best-selling Dumbing Down Our Kids: Why American children feel good about themselves but can't read, write or add sound alarms previously sounded in such 1950s best-sellers as Why Johnny Can't Read, whose author Rudolf Flesch, an "authority on literacy", argued that the failure on the part of public school teachers to teach phonics was "gradually destroying democracy" in the United States. Adult anxiety about youthful literacy is the social conservative's favoured mode of anxiety about other, more alarming predilections of youth, as "A Letter to the Rising Generation" by Cornelia Comer, which originally appeared in the Atlantic Monthly, makes clear:
"The younger generation, she grumbled, couldn't spell, and its English was "slipshod." Today's youth were selfish, discourteous, lazy, and self-indulgent. Lacking respect for their elders or for common decency, the young were hedonistic, "shallow, amusement-seeking creatures" whose tastes had been "formed by the colored supplements of the Sunday paper" and "the moving-picture shows." The boys were feeble, flippant, and "soft" intellectually, spiritually, and physically. Even worse were the girls, who were brash, loud, and promiscuous with young men."
All this, in 1911!
Except for its length and the density of its documentation - drawn abundantly from letters, journals, speeches, reports, publications - Huck's Raft reads like a textbook, moving forward through the decades (from 1704 to 2004) like a very large, sometimes unwieldly but unfailingly earnest marching band. Mintz's point is perhaps not original, but it is altogether plausible:
"Childhood and adolescence as biological phases of human development have always existed. But the ways in which childhood and adolescence are conceptualized and experienced are social and cultural constructions that have changed dramatically over time."
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-28 17:23:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-28 16:53:32 (#)
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Kaos as your dad one of the millions of identities stolen? My father's was, he got in '76 and out in 82', and he's going fucking insane over every credit card statement he's gotten in the past five years.
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Um, no. Besides, my dad is freakin' old. He just turned 63. I was born in '77 and he had already been through the war, got out, gone to college, got married and taught for a number of years before having me.
That fucking sucks for your dad...
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-28 16:53:32 EDT (#)
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Kaos as your dad one of the millions of identities stolen? My father's was, he got in '76 and out in 82', and he's going fucking insane over every credit card statement he's gotten in the past five years.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-28 16:34:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Davros (user info) at 2006-05-28 13:44:56 EDT (#)
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I think I agree, for the most part, most of my opinions were already stated down below.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/88455#1995198 (particularly in regards to respect).
-Dave.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-05-28 13:07:53 EDT (#)
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there's no such thing as an ex-marine
once a marine, always a marine
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Once again correct me if I am wrong, but you grew up with a lot didn't you? - - My father is a high school teacher and part time college professor. My mom taught elementary school for a short time, but now just helps out as the head of various Booster organizations. I'm the oldest of five boys. I had a quality childhood, but not so much in the way of quantity.
You are a product of over protective parents. - - My dad is an Ex-Marine fron Viet Nam. NOT overprotective...
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Is the ex-marine your words or his? not busting balls
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I'm not sure I understand. He was a Communications officer in the Marines during Viet Nam. He saw some war, definitely, but not super much. He mostly worked on de-coding stuff in a bunker. A guy that he worked with ended up working for the NSA shortly thereafter, doing the same stuff, but my dad just wanted to move on with his life. I'm proud as shit of my dad. He's one of those guys who doesn't either dwell on his time in the war, nor refuses to talk about it. As far as he's concerned he's done more good as a teacher than he did as a soldier...
I guess that's where I was coming from with this post. My parents are/were teacher and they appraoched my brothers and I with an upbringing that had a very "educated-oriented" style. We were their most important students. I was never told "BECAUSE I SAY SO!" It was explained to me WHY something was wrong and/or harmful. Yeah, my mom was a bit overbearing at times, but I think having 5 freakin' sons will do that.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-28 02:18:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-28 01:06:03 (#)
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Which is why when you get to Bubba's age you start shitting yourself and and thinking that the man in a coma, who is in the room across the hall is your wife? </sarcasm>
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I shit myself now.
I used to shit myself and jam fat chicks.
In the future I will shit myself and jam aliens.
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-27 20:13:45 (#)
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Once again correct me if I am wrong, but you grew up with a lot didn't you? - - My father is a high school teacher and part time college professor. My mom taught elementary school for a short time, but now just helps out as the head of various Booster organizations. I'm the oldest of five boys. I had a quality childhood, but not so much in the way of quantity.
You are a product of over protective parents. - - My dad is an Ex-Marine fron Viet Nam. NOT overprotective...
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Is the ex-marine your words or his? not busting balls.
You are right i don't have kids. but i will be super protective, but i will try and keep their eyes open.
it is a fine line. i am only now realizing what my parents did for me.
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Well indo if you look back on yourself now in ten years, you'll have changed. I really cannot say this for a fact as I'm not through living but I would think that you are constantly changing throughout life. You are constantly making mistakes and learning from them and making decisions that will change you outlook on life.
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True, but I think my perceptions of things will change less overtime. People rarely get less responsible or aware whent hey grow older.
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Which is why when you get to Bubba's age you start shitting yourself and and thinking that the man in a coma, who is in the room across the hall is your wife? </sarcasm>
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OILERS TO THE CUP CELEBRATORY +2! WHOOOO!
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:28:51 (#)
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I seem to sense a them in your rants, and correct me if I am wrong, you think children are coddled and over protected.
How many times did you get your nose broken before you were 18? - - Never had my nose broken. I've only broken one bone and that was a small bone in my right hand when I tripped down some steps in 7th grade. Didn't even realize the fucker was broken for a week...
Did you pay for college yourself? - - I had some financial aid in the forms of grants and scholarships, but other wise all college was paid for by loans taken out in my name. Interesting note... my first semester I literally only had to pay $1.27. They wouldn't let me pay in pocket change...
Did you buy your first car with money your parents gave you or money you earned in a real job. - - My first car was a gift from my grandmother. It was a glorious 1978 olds!!! She's the one with all the money in the family. She has given each of my little little brothers $1000 dolllars towards their first cars. If they wanted something bigger and/or better, they had to scrounge up the cash themselves.
Once again correct me if I am wrong, but you grew up with a lot didn't you? - - My father is a high school teacher and part time college professor. My mom taught elementary school for a short time, but now just helps out as the head of various Booster organizations. I'm the oldest of five boys. I had a quality childhood, but not so much in the way of quantity.
You are a product of over protective parents. - - My dad is an Ex-Marine fron Viet Nam. NOT overprotective...
Don't talk about coddling until you have your own kids. - - I'll try an accept this from someone who also has no children.
Just because you are a spoiled little fat kid with everything handed to you doesn't mean that everyone was given everything. - - I think I've covered eveything here... and I'm almost 29 years old Indo. I believe we are the same age.
There are a lot bigger problems then kids with too much protection. - - I agree...
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-27 19:22:04 (#)
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My mom can annoy me at times, but what she's doing to me will probably help me later. I'm not sure about a state school, I live in Jersey about ten miles from NYC, so I've been thinking of Columbia and Fordham. I don't think my parents would disown me.
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It is a while off, but if you are not technically a dependent you will get a lot more in aid from the govt.
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How many times did you get your nose broken before you were 18?
Twice. Not in a fight, a bookshelf fell on me. The second time I crashed my bike, broke my nose and arm. I received no coddling; my mom thought I was faking it and refused to help me.
Did you pay for college yourself?
I will be.
Did you buy your first car with money your parents gave you or money you earned in a real job.
I will be buying my own car with the money I get from the two jobs I work.
I'm sixteen.
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I like your mom.
Good for you, know what you want to do. There are a lot of tricks to help work the system, are you going to a state school, and are you from that state? have you considered having your parents disown you? If you do you can have theri earnings not counat against your income when applying for financial aid.
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I know you're not shitting on my opinions, I just wanted to rebut what you were saying. I certainly know enough lazy, Halo-playing talentless jerkoffs who call themselves men hanging around my school, but there's a good number of ambitious teenagers I know.
My mom can annoy me at times, but what she's doing to me will probably help me later. I'm not sure about a state school, I live in Jersey about ten miles from NYC, so I've been thinking of Columbia and Fordham. I don't think my parents would disown me.
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Well indo if you look back on yourself now in ten years, you'll have changed. I really cannot say this for a fact as I'm not through living but I would think that you are constantly changing throughout life. You are constantly making mistakes and learning from them and making decisions that will change you outlook on life.
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True, but I think my perceptions of things will change less overtime. People rarely get less responsible or aware whent hey grow older.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:35:16 (#)
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ax-
I was still a way different person at 16.
Ask anyone ten years older to look back, and they have changed a lot.
I am not trying to shit on you or your opinions, I am not saying you are immature, but you will change.
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Well indo if you look back on yourself now in ten years, you'll have changed. I really cannot say this for a fact as I'm not through living but I would think that you are constantly changing throughout life. You are constantly making mistakes and learning from them and making decisions that will change you outlook on life.
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:31:01 (#)
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How many times did you get your nose broken before you were 18?
Twice. Not in a fight, a bookshelf fell on me. The second time I crashed my bike, broke my nose and arm. I received no coddling; my mom thought I was faking it and refused to help me.
Did you pay for college yourself?
I will be.
Did you buy your first car with money your parents gave you or money you earned in a real job.
I will be buying my own car with the money I get from the two jobs I work.
I'm sixteen.
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I like your mom.
Good for you, know what you want to do. There are a lot of tricks to help work the system, are you going to a state school, and are you from that state? have you considered having your parents disown you? If you do you can have theri earnings not counat against your income when applying for financial aid.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:35:16 EDT (#)
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I was still a way different person at 16.
Ask anyone ten years older to look back, and they have changed a lot.
I am not trying to shit on you or your opinions, I am not saying you are immature, but you will change.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:31:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:31:01 EDT (#)
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How many times did you get your nose broken before you were 18?
Twice. Not in a fight, a bookshelf fell on me. The second time I crashed my bike, broke my nose and arm. I received no coddling; my mom thought I was faking it and refused to help me.
Did you pay for college yourself?
I will be.
Did you buy your first car with money your parents gave you or money you earned in a real job.
I will be buying my own car with the money I get from the two jobs I work.
I'm sixteen.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:29:33 EDT (#)
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As a 16-year-old, who's far less removed from youth than most uber-users, I have to say I have seen some of the worst children imaginable in my time. Let's just say 85% of kids are generally good and do what they have to do. Another 10% need reminding. There's always a core 5% though that are always stirring up riots and shit, getting pregnant and generally making teenagers look bad. These kids understand what they're doing.
Just because they're two years short of the age of majority, my age group is not the same as 8-year-olds who need mommy to hold their hand. 13-year old girls know exactly what they're doing, and the consequences behind them. They're not dumb, they're calculative. From a legal standpoint, they're blameless, but from common sense, they are entirely at fault.
For five-year-olds wearing thongs and such, the parents are the ones buying them. For fourteen-year-olds, they understand what they're doing.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-27 18:28:51 EDT (#)
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I seem to sense a them in your rants, and correct me if I am wrong, you think children are coddled and over protected.
How many times did you get your nose broken before you were 18?
Did you pay for college yourself?
Did you buy your first car with money your parents gave you or money you earned in a real job.
Once again correct me if I am wrong, but you grew up with a lot didn't you? You are a product of over protective parents. Don't talk about coddling until you have your own kids. Just because you are a spoiled little fat kid with everything handed to you doesn't mean that everyone was given everything. There are a lot bigger problems then kids with too much protection.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-27 17:58:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-27 06:47:54 (#)
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Cause your kids are fully aware at thirteen of what they are up to.
And they're up to fucking, drinking and smokin' up!!!!
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This is your problem.
You haven't changed since you were thirteen. Most people do.
I am much more aware of consequences now than I was at 13.
When I was 13 I couldn't hold down a real job, plan long term, understand how lucky I am to be one of the few people in the world to not worry about food, warmth and healthcare.
But I guess those are things you still don't understand Kupcake-king.
Submitted by legallady (user info) at 2006-05-27 15:47:58 EDT (#)
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collateral damage
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-05-27 15:29:45 EDT (#)
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I will kill your kids.
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-05-27 10:38:46 EDT (#)
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Didn't read it but it sounded hurtful towards children
Submitted by EvilGav (user info) at 2006-05-27 07:52:29 EDT (#)
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Shit, I should have pointed out that the way I was brought up sure as hell did me no harm - I left school, got a degree in Accountancy, decided that was dull and shit, retrained as a Systems Developer and now earn way above average wage building computer systems.
Submitted by EvilGav (user info) at 2006-05-27 07:49:16 EDT (#)
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Yep, spot on.
Every time I see, hear or whatever about what "the kids" are up to "these days", I pause for 10 seconds and think back to what I was doing 20 some years ago - drinking, smoking hash and generally fooling around with girls.
I remember at 8 or 9 getting naked with a girl - we had no real idea of what we were doing, but we sure as hell knew it was wrong. By 11 we all knew full well what we were up to and the implications, did it stop us ? Did it fuck.
The difference I find is respect and fear. We respected and feared authority - some of the shit we were up to you were terrified of being caught by teachers, parents or the police. Today's kids treat that self same group with contempt. If my parents got called to the school because of some shit i'd been up to (and there was plenty of that), not only did I get detention from the school, I got a slap from the 'rents and grounded. Teachers were right, you were wrong, end of story. Today's parents seem to think teachers have nothing better to do than complain about the kids and give them detention - anyone who thinks that should actually see the amount of fucking work they do (i'm not a teacher, but several friends are).
The other side was the police - never a back word was said to them, they protected and punished and you respected that.
Basically, until parents stop believing that the kids are never to blame, we aren't getting anywhere and you're not doing your kids any favours - the world is a cold, dark and hard place and it has rules, the sooner they learn that the better. Just cos your little angel wants to dress like a hooker doesn't mean you should let her, regardless of what her peer pressure says.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-27 07:42:09 EDT (#)
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Kids at thirteen may be 'aware' of what they are doing, but they are NOT
fully aware of the consequences thereof. They are not prepared to deal with
the aftermath of an unwanted pregnancy, whether it be the emotional turmoil
of abortion or the financial distress of keeping the baby.
No loving parent wants to see his/her child put through that agony, so the
parent, with a wiser head, attempts to stop the carnage before it begins.
We don't leave a two-month old to its own devices, or it would die. A time
come in the lives of all children when we should sever the apron strings,
but that is not at 13 years of age.
Kids of 12 or 13 think they are streetwise, but they are deluded. The great
majority of them would be eaten alive by the thugs, con men, assholes, and
perverts in the real world. So would most adults.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-27 06:47:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-27 04:16:00 (#)
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so it's the kid's fault? is that your position? as minor's, they aren't even partially to blame according to the law, and shouldn't be. a thirteen year old girl has no concept of the consequences of her sexual interactions with a thirty year old man who does.
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You honestly believe what you just typed here????
Have fun living in your perfect magical land, filled of fluffy things Wardy.
Cause your kids are fully aware at thirteen of what they are up to.
And they're up to fucking, drinking and smokin' up!!!!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-27 04:16:00 EDT (#)
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so it's the kid's fault? is that your position? as minor's, they aren't even partially to blame according to the law, and shouldn't be. a thirteen year old girl has no concept of the consequences of her sexual interactions with a thirty year old man who does.
it's on the parents? well until you've raised sterling offspring, why don't you hold off on that one for now. think your roomate is good at cleaning the horse-porn off your computer before you get back from work? now imagine someone twice as smart, twice as sober, and with twice as much at stake in the event of getting caught.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-05-27 04:09:25 EDT (#)
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Is it because I am drunk that I find this funny?
http://www.medspecialtypak.com/EZ%20kit.gif
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-27 04:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-05-27 03:33:39 (#)
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Fuck, that was full of typos. Sorry. Do you know how many times I just hit backspace to write this reveiw?
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It's cool! I often find myself saying innapporiate thing here on Uber while drunk....
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-05-27 03:33:39 EDT (#)
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Fuck, that was full of typos. Sorry. Do you know how many times I just hit backspace to write this reveiw?
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-05-27 03:31:24 EDT (#)
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i mean as savvy as kids these days may be, they are still kind of morons who don't really know shit.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-05-27 03:30:32 EDT (#)
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Kaos:
"These girls know full well what they are doing, flaunting their budding sexuality."
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I'm abit drunk right now, but even so I can't help but think that although they know wwhat they are doing to an extent, they are too young to know the implications of it. Am I crazy? It's allwell and good to flaunt your shit on the internet(not really) but do they really see the impacts? They are doing it fora attention, but can they understand the type of attention tehy may recieve?
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-27 02:48:29 EDT (#)
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Good call, Pandora.
When a 12 year old dresses like a hooker ten years her senior, don't the parents notice? Do they honestly just think it's their little darling being "cute" dressing like a slore? 13 YEAR OLD GIRLS IN THONGS!!!!!! I bet they have adorable pictures of "My Little Pony" on the front of them though. These girls know full well what they are doing, flaunting their budding sexuality.
I can remember years ago (wow, I'm dating myself here) when that song "Shoop" by Salt 'N Pepa came out. My friend's 8 year old sister knew all the words to it. For those of you who don't remember... it was a pretty explicit song for a Child. And you know what? She grew up to be a whore. No lie, no joke. Well, when you're singing about blow jobs at 10, what do you expect???
The parents blame the media who blame the internet who blame the parents. And the kids kick back, smoke a joint in the restroom and skip Algebra class. No wait... that one chick with the nice rack is in Algebra. I hear she gives guys handjobs at recess behind the jungle gym....
Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2006-05-27 02:13:11 EDT (#)
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Kids need to understand that, just because they've taken over the Internet, not everyone on here is a kid. Funny how ready they are to take a bunch of words on a screen at face value. I think a lot of these people are starved for attention. I blame their parents, who probably just had them, then ignored them. "I did my job as a Christian by having babies! They're society's problem now!" That little kid I saw at the mall 10 years ago, lying on the floor screaming their head off while mom stood by ignoring them, is probably the same one parting her buttcheeks for her webcam on MySpace.
And no offense to anyone under, like, 25, but what is up with how trampy these girls act in front of a camera?? When I was in school, openly acting like a slut was outside the norm. I'm not conservative, but man, the shit these kids wear. A five year-old girl on my street was playing outside wearing a pair of shorts with "BABY PHAT" printed across her asscheeks. Okay, I know it's a clothing line, but nobody can deny the sexual connotation. It's not cute when you make a tiny child's ass a focal point for the whole world to stare at. I would happily kill whoever made such a whorish garment for a little girl, if I wasn't so sure they were a five year-old kid themselves.
I fucking hate pop culture.
Submitted by toni_tori (user info) at 2006-05-27 00:57:15 EDT (#)
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I keep my kids locked in the basement. Sometimes I slip sammiches under the door.
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2006-05-27 00:39:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by I_love_Kracka (user info) at 2006-05-27 00:33:49 EDT (#)
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I played spin the bottle under the slide in 6th grade