I Was Once a Roman Catholic (947 hits)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (View user info) at 2006-05-29 06:02:51 EDT
I don't like to do social commentary pieces, because I suck at them, but I have to do one, because this issue really bothers me.
From (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060528/ap_on_re_eu/poland_pope_51)
Pope: How could God 'tolerate' Holocaust? By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun May 28, 6:13 PM ET
Pope Benedict XVI visited the Auschwitz concentration camp as "a son of the German people" Sunday and asked God why he remained silent during the "unprecedented mass crimes" of the Holocaust.
Benedict walked along the row of plaques at the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex's memorial, one in the language of each nationality whose members died there. As he stopped to pray, a light rain stopped and a brilliant rainbow appeared over the camp.
"To speak in this place of horror, in this place where unprecedented mass crimes were committed against God and man, is almost impossible — and it is particularly difficult and troubling for a Christian, for a pope from Germany," he said later.
"In a place like this, words fail; in the end, there can be only a dread silence, a silence which itself is a heartfelt cry to God: Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
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Now, to bring this into social context, I present to you an article from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI):
"Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth as membership was legally required after December 1936.[3] According to one of Ratzinger's biographers, the National Catholic Reporter correspondent John Allen, he was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings. His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, because he believed it was in conflict with their faith. In 1941 one of Ratzinger's cousins with Down's Syndrome was murdered by the Nazi regime. In 1943, when he was 16, Ratzinger was drafted with many of his classmates into the Luftwaffenhelfer programme. After his class was released from the Corps in September 1944, Ratzinger was put to work setting up anti-tank defences in the Hungarian border area of Austria in preparation for the expected Red Army offensive. He was eventually drafted into the German army at Munich to receive basic infantry training in the nearby town of Traunstein. His unit served at various posts around the city and was never sent to the front. Ratzinger was briefly interned in an Allied prisoner-of-war camp near Ulm and was repatriated on June 19, 1945. The family was reunited when his brother, Georg, returned after being repatriated from a prisoner-of-war camp in Italy."
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Our Pope, the man who leads the largest religion in the world, who theoretically has more power than even the President...has the nerve to say this.
Our Pope, who albeit unwillingly, participated and contributed to the Nazi regime during World War Two, has the nerve to say it was all God's fault...WHEN HE HIMSELF MADE IT HAPPEN.
Mr. Ratzinger, you are evil. You are a hypocrite, you are a publicity whore, you are a war profiteer. You are blaming God for things you yourself did, while playing yourself as totally innocent.
You were the one who was silent. You had the chance to do the right thing, to take a stand and refuse, but you did not. You could have martyred yourself for the faith you now lead, but instead, you chickened out. And now you blame God, for the whole world to hear.
I hope you rot in hell.
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-06-12 12:51:21 EDT (#)
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i don't like this new pope at all and this doesn't surprise me.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2006-06-12 12:34:10 EDT (#)
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Happy Laben Appreciation Day, FAC!
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-05-31 04:57:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by matchstickman (user info) at 2006-05-29 11:41:37 (#)
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dante's inferno much?
jews = not christians. they don't get into heaven when they die. if a christian god saw millions of jews murdered and didn't care, doesn't that stand to say that he felt that non-christians don't deserve his help? or something along those lines. idk. idc. w/e.
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The Armenian genocide in Turkey.....?
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-05-31 04:55:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:21:49 (#)
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Williamson, what are you saying?
Are you saying because I'm an American, it's my fault the Iraqi war happened?
Cause if so, that's a very low blow. I couldn't even vote when that damn thing started.
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No lower a blow than blaming a kid who was conscripted into an army he didn't want to fight in, for not taking a bullet in the head for insubordination which was the punishment for such actions (on a good day, when they had bullets to spare for a quick death).
Submitted by Magic_Monkey (user info) at 2006-05-31 04:20:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-29 13:11:33 (#)
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I have to +1 this.
The School of Cardnials (?) should have never chosen this guy to begin with.
His contriversial youth is only one of many questionable things about this dude...
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Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2006-05-29 11:16:31 (#)
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He's a crappy pope, or else he'd know that God tolerated it because the jews were being punished for killing his Jesus.
Oh. What's that? The bible says Jesus' death was part of "God's Plan"?
well, search me, then.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-05-30 17:35:01 EDT (#)
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wow, you didn't even bother to read what you posted - he was forced to join the Hitler Youth, and then he later defended his country against the Russians.
Dumbass.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 17:55:25 EDT (#)
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Hmm. Good thing I don't do this often. Told you I suck at these.
And this was supposed to be funny? Wow. I guess my muse threw me off there.
Submitted by Wiggles (user info) at 2006-05-29 17:40:14 EDT (#)
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This post wasn't even funny.
Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-05-29 17:24:11 EDT (#)
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OUR pope? He aint MY pope mother-fucker, I dont believe in that religious horseshit.
But what the fuck, retard, did you expect him to do? "Stand up for himself"? yea, good way to get shot in the head. What a fucking muppet you are. You obviously have NO concept of what life was like for the people of Germany back then, if you made any sort of stand, you got sent to the concentration camps, or just killed on the spot. Even the small amount of resistance he DID put up at the time was quite likely to get him killed, he did the best he could as a TEENAGER of some pretty fucked-up times.
And you couldn't even vote when the Iraq war started? yea, that explains your simplified, uneducated views on this... kid.
Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-05-29 15:36:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:29:54 (#)
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Enjoy your hits on this, if any author on this site deserves them it is you. But be very careful that you don't fall into the trap that Jack McCallum has.
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What trap is that?
Granted, he's an arch-conservative, but what do you mean exactly?
just curious...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 15:28:03 EDT (#)
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I overestimated how many people would show up on here today.
Submitted by Steve1989 (user info) at 2006-05-29 13:35:38 EDT (#)
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I THINK EVERYONE AGREES 'DOODLES' the twat, IS A COMLETE NOB WHO GIVES EVERYONE -2
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-29 13:28:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by matchstickman (user info) at 2006-05-29 11:41:37 (#)
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jews = not christians. they don't get into heaven when they die.
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Interesting thing, that. Jews have never believed that they go to heaven, or at least, if they do they have changed the Torah.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-05-29 13:11:33 EDT (#)
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I have to +1 this.
The School of Cardnials (?) should have never chosen this guy to begin with.
His contriversial youth is only one of many questionable things about this dude...
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2006-05-29 12:13:10 EDT (#)
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Are you kidding me? He should have martyred himself? Come on, how many people have that kind of near-superhuman inner strength? Not many, which is why we celebrate the minority.
And seriously, if he had--as a 16-year-old nonetheless!!--managed to find this rare strength to stand up and disgrace the Nazis, what do you suppose would have happened? They would have put a bullet in his brain and ended it? Or do you think it's possible they would have slowly and painfully murdered his family (and maybe friends) in front of him, one by one, until it was his turn to die...
He was a little kid with no choice.
I am no Catholic Church apologist. I used to be a practicing Catholic, but that's all the more reason why I disassociate myself with it nowadays.
<sarcasm>Especially since I saw The Da Vinci Code </sarcasm>
Submitted by matchstickman (user info) at 2006-05-29 11:41:37 EDT (#)
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dante's inferno much?
jews = not christians. they don't get into heaven when they die. if a christian god saw millions of jews murdered and didn't care, doesn't that stand to say that he felt that non-christians don't deserve his help? or something along those lines. idk. idc. w/e.
Submitted by CookieLass (user info) at 2006-05-29 11:16:31 EDT (#)
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He's a crappy pope, or else he'd know that God tolerated it because the jews were being punished for killing his Jesus.
Oh. What's that? The bible says Jesus' death was part of "God's Plan"?
well, search me, then.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2006-05-29 10:17:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-29 07:24:18 (#)
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Submitted by tarnation (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:56:12 (#)
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funny as cancer you are a dumb fucking faggot cunt your stories are shit your opinions are shit your bike is a girls bike it is pink and has flowers and a basket on it now fuck off and fuck off far.
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Auto +2 for the whiny cunt over there.
Now to read the post.
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Auto -2 for the Auto +2
Now to read the post.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-29 07:46:30 EDT (#)
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Wikipedia: Reliable source. <rolls eyes, vomits>
Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-05-29 07:24:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by tarnation (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:56:12 (#)
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funny as cancer you are a dumb fucking faggot cunt your stories are shit your opinions are shit your bike is a girls bike it is pink and has flowers and a basket on it now fuck off and fuck off far.
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Auto +2 for the whiny cunt over there.
Now to read the post.
Submitted by Boon (user info) at 2006-05-29 07:04:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by tarnation (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:56:12 (#)
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your bike is a girls bike it is pink and has flowers and a basket on it
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Ahahahaha +2 for that
Submitted by tarnation (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:56:12 EDT (#)
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funny as cancer you are a dumb fucking faggot cunt your stories are shit your opinions are shit your bike is a girls bike it is pink and has flowers and a basket on it now fuck off and fuck off far.
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:34:10 EDT (#)
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I think this is the exact definition of a 0 in Uber terms, a right down the middle rating. I'm not sure what to say to this, only that while I see where you're coming from, I think you're overreacting a bit.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:29:54 EDT (#)
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Enjoy your hits on this, if any author on this site deserves them it is you. But be very careful that you don't fall into the trap that Jack McCallum has.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:27:12 EDT (#)
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I'm done trying to persuade anyone. I've said all I wanted to.
Time to let this ride. See you all in the morning.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:26:57 EDT (#)
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He's saying that you are arguing that there is no difference between the bullets of a gun, the trigger of it, and the grip. With this analogy the grip is questioning the user of the gun why he let the bullets hurt others.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:25:33 EDT (#)
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He believes in an omnipotent god, and so do all the catholic church's followers, so if there was a god who could have stopped it why wouldn't he? If I were a catholic I would be thinking the exact same thing, and that's what they expect to hear. And what good would making a martyr of himself do if he just disappeared in a mass grave, his story would just drowned out by the millions of other similar deaths, martyrdom only works when there aren't millions of people getting executed at the exact same time.
He doesn't lead the largest religion in the world, either.
First there was adamdidit2u, then ETS took up the cause, now you're continuing on their stupid assed legacy. Just shut the fuck up, you can't even get your facts straight, once again you've just read a wikipedia article or perhaps an editorial and have gotten on your high horse. It is time for you to shut the fuck up.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:24:49 EDT (#)
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Ok, darko, granted, I wasn't in their shoes. I didn't have to live through a war, and get drafted. I didn't have to succumb to conscription.
But that doesn't change the fact that nowadays, where there is no such threat, the Pope is taking absolutely no responsibility for what he did. He would rather shift the blame elsewhere. It is spineless. And for a man of his power, it is un.accept.able.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:23:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:18:58 (#)
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"Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
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Why implies he wants to know the reason for God being silent. The second question does the same. It's not "God, you did this" or "God, you are an evil Prick to let this happen", it's an attempt to understand God.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:21:49 EDT (#)
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Williamson, what are you saying?
Are you saying because I'm an American, it's my fault the Iraqi war happened?
Cause if so, that's a very low blow. I couldn't even vote when that damn thing started.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:20:56 EDT (#)
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It's easy to blame the Eichmans when you weren't in their shoes.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:18:58 EDT (#)
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"Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
He's asking God why he chose the course of action he did. He's asking why he let this happen, why he didn't stop it. He's laying a guilt trip on God, implying that he could have stopped it. He is, in essence, blaming God.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:17:39 EDT (#)
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FunnyAsCancer bombs Iraqi babies...
Poor logic...
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:14:42 EDT (#)
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He didn't blame God, he just claimed to not understand God's motives.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:12:43 EDT (#)
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Sometimes I wonder if you actually read the things I write, or if you just glance over them and then call me an idiot.
I'm not being all "OMG THE POPE WAS A NAZI."
I'm saying it's hypocritical of him to blame God for something he participated and helped put into motion. He was a sheep of the Nazis, and remained silent and did their dirty work. Rather than own up and accept some form of responsibility, he chose to blame God.
And as Pope, that's just unacceptable.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-05-29 06:08:51 EDT (#)
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OMG TEH POPE IS THE NAZI
get with the times faggot, that was a flavor of the month thing over a year ago
he didn't kill any jews, and he was conscripted into an army he didn't want to be in, so why is that his fault, shut the fuck up