Israel, The United States, and Great Britain (Are the REAL criminals running the jailhouse?) (3064 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-07-16 15:31:17 EDT
The U.S., Great Britain, and Israel are good at playing the victim. They are quick to point out when they have been wronged, but are slow or altogether negligent in pointing out their own mistakes or malicious transgressions.
I suppose it's only human nature to be that way. The most guilty are often the least willing to accept guilt. They are the ones who will do whatever it takes to convince others that it is they who are the victims. This is easy to do when it's only YOUR version of events that your people are able to hear, and for the last 60 years, the Anti-Defamation League has made it impossible to criticize Israel without being labeled a racist.
Think about that... If a murderer were on trial, how would he convince a jury not to send him to prison? He could certainly do as O.J.'s attorneys did and cry "racism". Or, he could go the 'insanity' route, but that would mean admitting a measure of guilt. This would be the equivalent of saying "I had bad intel", because the killer's perceptions were skewed.
This is what the U.S. has done in Iraq. When charged with "murder in the first degree", he (the U.S.) pleaded insanity, the jury of public opinion bought it, and now he has convinced the media he's been reformed and is planning a public speaking tour on the dangers of mental illness. It's all very motivational...one of those 'learn from my example' kinds of lectures, except this one isn't about mental illness, it's about 'democracy'. But several other charges have been brought against him including "theft by deception" (for writing cold currency), numerous counts of "public disturbance", "vandalism", and "drug dealing", and "aiding and abetting" known criminals. These cases are still pending.
The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land, except the farmer can't seem to make them leave, and any appeal to the local sheriff only leads to yet another, "Well, you know Jeb, those people have a right to be there too; just because this land has been in your family for generations doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to stay there. They had a hard time of it and would like to settle down. Oh, that reminds me, Jeb, you're gonna need to move you're trailer on over so we can make more room for the hippies."
Who can blame farmer Jeb when he gets pissed off and whips out the shotgun and blows some hippie squatters away? Sure, maybe he can't quite claim self defence in the matter, but protection of one's personal property and livlihood is like an inalienable right doncha think? Or maybe it should be. No, in this story, the hippies end up killing farmer Jeb's children and claiming self defence...and in this story the jury buys it. Instead, they convict farmer Jeb for terroristic threatening and award the hippies punitive damages.
That leaves the British... If there were an award for most smug population on the planet, it might well be won by the British people. While maybe not as far left as, say, France, Britain is quick to point out its progressive (i.e. borderline communist) ways, especially to its retarded, gun-slinging, hillbilly cousin across the pond. But 'progressiveness' is not a court plea, so Britain will have to come up with something better to fend off the charges of "inciting a riot", "conspiracy to murder", and "robbery". You see, Britain these days is too pussy to start her own fights. She has to whip her cousin into a fury by telling him, "Hey...did you HEAR what that guy just said about you at the end of the bar!?!? Are you gonna take that shit???"
The cousin then crushes the unsuspecting victim's skull with a bar stool, and in the ensuing confusion, Britain robs the till. As this analogous Bonnie stealthily slips out the side door, her Clyde is taking on the rest of the bar patrons with his bare hands.
The thing that separates the good criminals from the bad ones is the precise coordination of their lies. If their lies are all straight and they don't crack under police pressure, chances are they'll get off on lack of evidence or some other technicality. These three are masters of coordination. The official Israeli story soon becomes the official U.S. and British story too. The counter arguments are limited, and the ones that are allowed are the ones that have been pre-screened and are known to be weak. On the offchance a strong argument defeats the filter of information, the messenger of such information becomes the subject of focused character assassination efforts and Cochranisms like: "if Hamas is elected, aid got to be rejected". This is then chanted like some creepy mantra at a ritual where the participant's all wear gold masks and black robes, carry torches, and walk in single file.
Beware of anyone who tries to dehumanize another human being or group of human beings by filing them into a category based on superficial attributes, or labels them based on criteria that could be applied to almost anyone who expresses dissent or resistence. This is exactly what Hitler did.
Also, beware of those that attack their neighbors using full military force because of some isolated "attack" they have suffered. Again, this is what Hitler did. (See: Operation Himmler)
It should be obvious to many of you by now that the U.S., Britain, and Israel want and NEED to attack Iran from some reason. They tried the nuclear angle, but know they don't have a leg to stand on as their current activities are protected under the NPT. Plus, they know they would have a hard time pushing meaningful UN sanctions with Russia and China having veto powers, and aggression would be risky and expensive with the U.S. and Britain already fighting on multiple fronts. The logical entry point would be to have Israel attack them claiming "preemptive self-defense", whatever that means. I guess we're living in "The Minority Report" now.
Iran has been systematically attacked in the media in western countries, and our secretary of state has been regular little accuser, slinging the rhetoric and towing the party line wherever she goes. It's not just her, it's the media too. They take what's said and, instead of questioning or debating it in any meaningful way, they dumb down the issue and throw a few pundits on there to propel these radical viewpoints. thus making them seem less 'radical' and more 'gospel' to the American people.
I was watching Hardball on MSNBC the other night and a guest commentator from inside Lebanon, a British journalist, was asked by Chris Matthew's female stand-in why Israel would bomb the Beirut International Airport, to which he responded by saying that it was part of the Israeli strategy of blockading the country and served as an economic blow to the because this is tourist season and Lebanon's economy relies heavily on tourism. After the gentleman had answered the question, the host then added (I'm paraphrasing) "That, and we also know it's to cut off support coming in from Syria and Iran." The host felt it necessary to throw that in there seeing as she hadn't gotten the answer the network needed. Fortunately, the Syrian diplomat came on a few minutes later and gave the American media a smackdown. I have the interview on tape and plan on compiling a video of all the tidbits of propaganda maneuvering so all you overseas people can see what Americans are bombarded with on a daily basis. If I get my video capture card working, I'll post it on YouTube for you.
Compare what we're being shown and told with what you see in your news reports and you'll see a massive difference both stylistically and ethically.
I encourage everyone to put a blank tape in your VCRs, or put your TiVos on record and capture the propaganda for posterity. This is important stuff. If this is the start of a WWIII, if the dominos keep falling here, it will be even more important to actively dissect your news reports. If you don't capture what's said now, you may never hear it again, and tomorrow they may have changed their story without you even realizing it.
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Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-08-20 23:47:18 EDT (#)
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STOP LOOKING AT ME, SWAN!!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-20 23:30:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-08-20 22:57:28 (#)
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why is it I always seem to agree with you on all of this? that really pisses me off.
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It's not about agreeing or disagreeing to me anymore. It's about those that see the truth and those who, for reasons I really can't fathom, refuse to see it.
All it takes is to drop the prejudices, the preconceptions, and the assumptions and look at the facts.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-08-20 22:57:28 EDT (#)
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why is it I always seem to agree with you on all of this? that really pisses me off.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-20 22:47:51 EDT (#)
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ETS you're a god-damned retard.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-20 22:40:39 EDT (#)
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Oh dear God.
Submitted by hoooot (user info) at 2006-07-21 23:24:03 EDT (#)
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god damnit i hate conspiracy theorists.
well, thats a lie.
i like cool conspiracy theorists, and you're not a cool one.
you actually just give me a headache.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 00:24:37 EDT (#)
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Is the attention-whore still going on this one?
You know, I should do a once-over again on ETS, checking to see how much of his account hits and reviews are actually him, just for shits and giggles.
he got pissed the last time I did it, and that was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before he went off the super deep end.
Or I could just start insulting him again, and wait for him to revenge -2 "No Comment" me like his bitch ass always does, anyway.
STILL WAITING ON YOUR RESULTS FROM YOUR INDEPENDENT 9-11 INVESTIGATION, BRAD LINZY!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-20 11:43:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 23:16:46 (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:17:24 (#)
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You're right, 'it' does not refer to the people, it refers to the building. NOBODY is refuting this. We are refuting the meaning of the word 'pull', that he was using the fireman meaning, which would mean to PULL people out.
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Oh. my. fucking. god.
You have to have the emptiest head this side of Billy Ray Cyrus.
If you're refuting the meaning of the word "pull", you don't REPLACE the word "it", you dumbass, you replace the word "pull".
Jesus Christ, save me from these people and their idiocy. I BEG you.
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no way are you serious with that response...
Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-07-20 08:29:17 EDT (#)
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See the thing is that if you go back far enough it was the Israeli's land thousands of years ago.
Funny thing is both their religions roughly promise that land to them, so you'd think that they'd be the same reliion, funny thing is there not.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 23:16:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:17:24 (#)
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You're right, 'it' does not refer to the people, it refers to the building. NOBODY is refuting this. We are refuting the meaning of the word 'pull', that he was using the fireman meaning, which would mean to PULL people out.
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Oh. my. fucking. god.
You have to have the emptiest head this side of Billy Ray Cyrus.
If you're refuting the meaning of the word "pull", you don't REPLACE the word "it", you dumbass, you replace the word "pull".
Jesus Christ, save me from these people and their idiocy. I BEG you.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:17:24 EDT (#)
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You're right, 'it' does not refer to the people, it refers to the building. NOBODY is refuting this. We are refuting the meaning of the word 'pull', that he was using the fireman meaning, which would mean to PULL people out.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:08:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:12:53 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:34:19 (#)
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You say I'm full of shit, but you are one stubborn motherfucker. You people get your knee-jerk reactions and block out everything else that's said. That's your problem.
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But a reasonable person like you would never jump on someone saying something that can be easily misinterpreted, even when the clarification makes more sense.
Like when silverstein said "pull".
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bazzzzinnng....
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Yes Wardy...HUUUGE bazzzzing there, whatever the fuck that means.
Silverstien actually said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the best thing to do is just pull *IT*. And they made that decision...to pull *IT*"
There's your fucking bazzzzzzzzing.
Last time I checked, an *IT* was not a normal way to describe any human or group of humans.
You have no argument, face it. No matter how much you try to wiggle and and squirm and make me look ridiculous by telling people only half the story, you're wrong, and that's that.
*I* know what you're doing. *I* see through your bullshit. And if any of these people can't do that, they're idiots.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:12:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:17:55 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:34:19 (#)
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You say I'm full of shit, but you are one stubborn motherfucker. You people get your knee-jerk reactions and block out everything else that's said. That's your problem.
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But a reasonable person like you would never jump on someone saying something that can be easily misinterpreted, even when the clarification makes more sense.
Like when silverstein said "pull".
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bazzzzinnng....
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:17:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:34:19 (#)
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You say I'm full of shit, but you are one stubborn motherfucker. You people get your knee-jerk reactions and block out everything else that's said. That's your problem.
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But a reasonable person like you would never jump on someone saying something that can be easily misinterpreted, even when the clarification makes more sense.
Like when silverstein said "pull".
Go back to agreeing with cold fusion at least then there was consistancy in your imaginary world.
Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:08:44 EDT (#)
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Where is the love with you people?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:37:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PommyTom (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:40:22 (#)
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Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-18 22:48:25 (#)
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You would actually feel safe if fucking Iran had nuclear weapons? or China?
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China does have nuclear weapons you retarded ignorant pathetic excuse for a meat popsicle.
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You beat me to it. China has has them since, what, the 1970s? I think I can safely rest my case.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:34:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 22:03:40 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:18:20 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:06:13 (#)
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Everything leading up to that comment would lead one to believe that you thought all you needed was a hydrogen fuel cell and alternators on the engine to turn the waste water back into fuel.
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True, but later in the post I clarified my statements and said using solar and other energies.
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So your comment was completely 100% wrong, and you came back a few hours later and brought up alternators again (makes no sense if you knew what you were talking about), and then reference several interesting but completely un proven technologies to prove you were right (except for solar, but the cost pros and cons for that are easy to find)?
Way to go, guess you really do get it.
Maybe people wouldn't think you were so full fo shit if you could admit when you are wrong, or talking out of your ass.
Maybe
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I wasn't "completely 100% wrong", I just wasn't clear in what I was trying to say at first. When I was pressed by your and others' defamatory comments, I clarified that I wasn't talking AT ALL about a perpetual motion machine.
I'm well aware of the principles of transfer of energy. That some of you would even assume I wasn't was insulting to the point I didn't even want to fuck with talking to you
I was speculating on the possibility of a vehicle that might never have to stop to refuel using outside sources of energy into the system. I was throwing it out there so see if anyone could point me to a link that discussed it.
You say I'm full of shit, but you are one stubborn motherfucker. You people get your knee-jerk reactions and block out everything else that's said. That's your problem.
Submitted by PommyTom (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:43:38 EDT (#)
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Alliteration = repetition.
Shit your stupidity is infectious and mind-numbing.
Submitted by PommyTom (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:40:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-18 22:48:25 (#)
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You would actually feel safe if fucking Iran had nuclear weapons? or China?
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China does have nuclear weapons you retarded ignorant pathetic excuse for a meat popsicle.
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Countries that are too grounded in religion should not have fucking Nuclear weapons. Why you ask? because their minds are clouded and they will make insane, unrational judgements to appease the religous in there country or there own thoughts.
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I'm not religious, but I'd rather someone that was religious have their finger on their button than a retarded ignorant pathetic excuse for a meat popsicle.
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And before you say the U.S. is a christian nation run by a christian Whack Job (BUSH). It may somewhat be but we have a senate and other people that can veto his power or take it away. Iran, or China, or Korea are run by princes, and dictators where their word is bond. You are nuts.
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Define dictators, though you hide behind your fabled dream of democracy, the US is moving further and further from the ideals of a democratic state. Or did Fox news tell you otherwise?
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Only the peace nations,
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! You crack me up captain America.
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Your nuts, ETS, fucking NUTS.
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I'd rather be nuts than a fucking retarded ignorant pathetic excuse for a meat popsicle, oh did i say that again? I thought alliteration may help you. Maybe if its hammered into your head like your media you may learn something.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-18 22:48:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:08:28 (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:38:10 (#)
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You are a nutty sack of monkey shit. But what scares me is, not the fact that you are a raving lunatic, a bunch of clueless idiots actually believe in what you say.
I wish you lived in Tel Aviv and could preach a stance that Iran should have nuclear weapons because we do also.
There is nothing unique about someone who goes against anything their government does and spews conspiracy theories for every news story out there. You are just fucking nuts, period.
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Think what you must.
I never said Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons...I said we couldn't blame them IF they wanted them, and they have just as much inherent right to them as we do, or Israel does, or Pakistan, or France, or Britain, or China.
There was a time when we went through this same thing with China and Russia and Pakistan.
I'm not trying to be "unique". Fuck you for insinuating that. I don't give two FUCKS what anyone thinks about me. I'm just relaying the truth as I see it. Agree or disagree, I don't give a flying fuck.
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You are fucking nuts. You think that just because "we" have WMD's that every fucking country under the sun has a right to have them. NO!, NO!, NO! you are a fool, ETS. Countries like China or Iran, or Iraq or Korea should not have nuclear weapons. Why you ask? because they are communist countries that have a past of being very fucking aggressive when it comes to the times of war.
You would actually feel safe if fucking Iran had nuclear weapons? or China? yeah we would have good luck of them not nuking the shit out of a small country like Thailand or else Iran nuking fucking Israel at the first trespass into there land. Or else to prove some religous point.
Countries that are too grounded in religion should not have fucking Nuclear weapons. Why you ask? because their minds are clouded and they will make insane, unrational judgements to appease the religous in there country or there own thoughts.
And before you say the U.S. is a christian nation run by a christian Whack Job (BUSH). It may somewhat be but we have a senate and other people that can veto his power or take it away. Iran, or China, or Korea are run by princes, and dictators where their word is bond. You are nuts.
You think letting every country having nuclear weapons is just going to keep anyone from blasting one off? I would not trust half the countries in the world with a nuke. Not even 1/3. Only the peace nations, or else nations who are actually intelligent and not bound by the laws of the old ways, or religion should have a shot. And even then they should not have nukes.
Your nuts, ETS, fucking NUTS.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 22:03:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:18:20 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:06:13 (#)
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Everything leading up to that comment would lead one to believe that you thought all you needed was a hydrogen fuel cell and alternators on the engine to turn the waste water back into fuel.
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True, but later in the post I clarified my statements and said using solar and other energies.
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So your comment was completely 100% wrong, and you came back a few hours later and brought up alternators again (makes no sense if you knew what you were talking about), and then reference several interesting but completely un proven technologies to prove you were right (except for solar, but the cost pros and cons for that are easy to find)?
Way to go, guess you really do get it.
Maybe people wouldn't think you were so full fo shit if you could admit when you are wrong, or talking out of your ass.
Maybe
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:23:27 EDT (#)
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And here's where I mentioned microorganisms: http://www.ubersite.com/m/83260#1815707
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:21:20 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/83260#1815670
Here is one of the reviews in which I clarified it on that post.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:18:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:06:13 (#)
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Everything leading up to that comment would lead one to believe that you thought all you needed was a hydrogen fuel cell and alternators on the engine to turn the waste water back into fuel.
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True, but later in the post I clarified my statements and said using solar and other energies.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:06:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:44:17 (#)
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What it amounted to is, I wanted someone to produce some numbers showing me exactly how electrolysis couldn't be conducted onboard an automobile using the available energy sources such as sunlight, recycled waste energy from turning wheels, microorganisms, or any other energy source you could dream up...wind resistence...coreolis effect...whatever.
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I am not reading through all those replies on that post, but nowhere in the original post did you mention microorganisms, coreolis effect or any other source of energy aside from hydrogen.
The replies that I read leading up to that made no mention of incorporating those sources into a car.
Everything leading up to that comment would lead one to believe that you thought all you needed was a hydrogen fuel cell and alternators on the engine to turn the waste water back into fuel.
That was and is wrong.
The fact that you mention recycled energy from turning wheels leads me to believe you still don't get the laws of thermodynamics.
As for your other sources I don't have the numbers because nobody has made a reliable machine that runs on them (aside from sunlight, but do I really have to explain how that won't work?).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:44:17 EDT (#)
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Excuse me. I was wrong in my statement below. CaptainThorns did mention cold fusion in that review.
But you'll notice, I was relating his talk of recycling fuel to the possibility of using electrolysis or microscopic organisms to keep producing hydrogen from the waste water indefinitely.
You still took what I was saying out of context. You have to look at what I was talking about in the post. I wasn't talking about cold fusion, I was talking about clean energy hydrogen vehicles.
What it amounted to is, I wanted someone to produce some numbers showing me exactly how electrolysis couldn't be conducted onboard an automobile using the available energy sources such as sunlight, recycled waste energy from turning wheels, microorganisms, or any other energy source you could dream up...wind resistence...coreolis effect...whatever.
I wanted someone to show me using concrete numbers how it might be done or could NOT be done.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:40:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-18 06:05:39 (#)
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All I am saying is it might be nice if you were to maybe help out a little... or at least don't be part of the problem.
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Seriously? How can I possibly entertain the idea of having a meaningful conversation or discussion with him when he is going to generalise so?
Why are you and him avoiding this valid point?
If he offers insightful prose then I will reply, if he fanatically rants about my country goading his into an all out war on terror and then running for the hills while nicking all the cash (fuck BP and all that shit.... he GENERALISED...I'm not making any money) then I'm just plain not going to entertain that type of writing and will reply in kind...i/e. FUCK SHIT and BOLLOCKS.
Like for like my friend.
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Hey fine... but call him on the particular points you disagree with... don't seek to marginalize his whole opinion because you don't like the way he SAID it. He's a caustic prick at times. Its part of his charm... but as I said- he does present some pretty compelling evidence of some giant puppeteers
In fact, like I said, I think you have every right to patriotic.
r.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:33:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:16:49 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:56:24 (#)
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You took my words completely out of context.
Captain Thorns was talking about an engine that recycles its own waste and sqeezes all the energy it can out of the fuel. That's what I was responding to in that review you just linked. It's the same concept as placing generators on the wheel axles to capture otherwise wasted energy.
Your entire idea of me has been based off of your own stupidity in not being able to read.
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"Extracting the Hydrogen AGAIN from the very water the engine gives off as a biproduct using alternators for the any required electrical current in the process. It's a self-sustaining system."
That is out of context?
That isn't a seperate paragraph in the response I referenced above?
And Captain thorns WAS talking about "cold fusion" he fucking said cold fusion. You agreed.
You were 100% wrong. It has nothing to do with my reading ability. Find one other person who looked at that quote and didn't think you were agreeing about cold fusion.
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Yes it IS out of fucking context. The ongoing discussion was about the possibility of a vehicle that could run without ever stopping for fuel, because it used sunlight and other available energy sources surrounding it.
He mentioned NOTHING about 'cold fusion' in that review you linked. Nothing. He did in another review on that post, but what did I say about that? Go back and read it.
I didn't say DICK about cold fusion in the review you linked to below and neither did Captain Thorns.
So, go on...find where I violated thermodynamics.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:16:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:56:24 (#)
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You took my words completely out of context.
Captain Thorns was talking about an engine that recycles its own waste and sqeezes all the energy it can out of the fuel. That's what I was responding to in that review you just linked. It's the same concept as placing generators on the wheel axles to capture otherwise wasted energy.
Your entire idea of me has been based off of your own stupidity in not being able to read.
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"Extracting the Hydrogen AGAIN from the very water the engine gives off as a biproduct using alternators for the any required electrical current in the process. It's a self-sustaining system."
That is out of context?
That isn't a seperate paragraph in the response I referenced above?
And Captain thorns WAS talking about "cold fusion" he fucking said cold fusion. You agreed.
You were 100% wrong. It has nothing to do with my reading ability. Find one other person who looked at that quote and didn't think you were agreeing about cold fusion.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 12:08:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:38:10 (#)
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You are a nutty sack of monkey shit. But what scares me is, not the fact that you are a raving lunatic, a bunch of clueless idiots actually believe in what you say.
I wish you lived in Tel Aviv and could preach a stance that Iran should have nuclear weapons because we do also.
There is nothing unique about someone who goes against anything their government does and spews conspiracy theories for every news story out there. You are just fucking nuts, period.
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Think what you must.
I never said Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons...I said we couldn't blame them IF they wanted them, and they have just as much inherent right to them as we do, or Israel does, or Pakistan, or France, or Britain, or China.
There was a time when we went through this same thing with China and Russia and Pakistan.
I'm not trying to be "unique". Fuck you for insinuating that. I don't give two FUCKS what anyone thinks about me. I'm just relaying the truth as I see it. Agree or disagree, I don't give a flying fuck.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:56:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 07:56:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:16:17 (#)
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I'm dead serious. I wouldn't doubt that fucker was on someone's payroll for one minute. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it's possible. These people exist and are out there posting on the internet in an effort to skew key issues. They are PAID to do it by the unwitting U.S. taxpayer. Indoninja doesn't even pay attention to the things I write. It's almost like he doesn't even read it and goes right back to his internal script. Fuck him. I'm sick of arguing with his ignorant ass.
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My ignorant ass?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/83260#1815361
I guess if I was as smart as you I would believe that oil companies in collusion witht he Govt are keeping down cold fusion.
I would also believe that,
"Extracting the Hydrogen AGAIN from the very water the engine gives off as a biproduct using alternators for the any required electrical current in the process. It's a self-sustaining system."
Is possible.
You may have looked up the laws of thermodynamics after this gem because everyone with half a brain knew at that point you had no idea what you were talking about, but you lose all credability because you can't admit that this is flat out wrong. It is in no sense of the word a "self-sustaining system".
But don't acknowledge me, I am to ignorant to believe in cold fusion.
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You took my words completely out of context.
Captain Thorns was talking about an engine that recycles its own waste and sqeezes all the energy it can out of the fuel. That's what I was responding to in that review you just linked. It's the same concept as placing generators on the wheel axles to capture otherwise wasted energy.
Your entire idea of me has been based off of your own stupidity in not being able to read.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:38:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You are a nutty sack of monkey shit. But what scares me is, not the fact that you are a raving lunatic, a bunch of clueless idiots actually believe in what you say.
I wish you lived in Tel Aviv and could preach a stance that Iran should have nuclear weapons because we do also.
There is nothing unique about someone who goes against anything their government does and spews conspiracy theories for every news story out there. You are just fucking nuts, period.
Submitted by Happily_Agnostic (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:17:38 EDT (#)
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they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land, except the farmer can't seem to make them leave, and any appeal to the local sheriff only leads to yet another, "Well, you know Jeb, those people have a right to be there too; just because this land has been in your family for generations doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to stay there. They had a hard time of it and would like to settle down. Oh, that reminds me, Jeb, you're gonna need to move you're trailer on over so we can make more room for the hippies."
-fucking classic
Submitted by karates_badboy (user info) at 2006-07-18 11:03:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You'd be pretty good at playing victim too if you had to worry that some crazy asshole with "jihad" tattooed on his forehead was going to blow himself up inside of a subway system or any other place like that.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-07-18 10:45:24 EDT (#)
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global thermonuclear war is awesome
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 07:56:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:16:17 (#)
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I'm dead serious. I wouldn't doubt that fucker was on someone's payroll for one minute. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it's possible. These people exist and are out there posting on the internet in an effort to skew key issues. They are PAID to do it by the unwitting U.S. taxpayer. Indoninja doesn't even pay attention to the things I write. It's almost like he doesn't even read it and goes right back to his internal script. Fuck him. I'm sick of arguing with his ignorant ass.
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My ignorant ass?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/83260#1815361
I guess if I was as smart as you I would believe that oil companies in collusion witht he Govt are keeping down cold fusion.
I would also believe that,
"Extracting the Hydrogen AGAIN from the very water the engine gives off as a biproduct using alternators for the any required electrical current in the process. It's a self-sustaining system."
Is possible.
You may have looked up the laws of thermodynamics after this gem because everyone with half a brain knew at that point you had no idea what you were talking about, but you lose all credability because you can't admit that this is flat out wrong. It is in no sense of the word a "self-sustaining system".
But don't acknowledge me, I am to ignorant to believe in cold fusion.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-18 06:05:39 EDT (#)
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All I am saying is it might be nice if you were to maybe help out a little... or at least don't be part of the problem.
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Seriously? How can I possibly entertain the idea of having a meaningful conversation or discussion with him when he is going to generalise so?
Why are you and him avoiding this valid point?
If he offers insightful prose then I will reply, if he fanatically rants about my country goading his into an all out war on terror and then running for the hills while nicking all the cash (fuck BP and all that shit.... he GENERALISED...I'm not making any money) then I'm just plain not going to entertain that type of writing and will reply in kind...i/e. FUCK SHIT and BOLLOCKS.
Like for like my friend.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-18 05:33:33 EDT (#)
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Rob I think SilvrWolf replied to you far better than I am capable of.
Fair enough, I replied to SilvrWolf in kind, like I will reply to you.
"I am capable of only this.
Fuck you."
Oh, c'mon. You are capable of so much more. But deep down you know that I don't deserve much more than that- because the bottom line is you are guilty of being a reactionary patriotic dickhead. Well, good for you. I can't say that is such a bad thing, I am fairly patriotic myself. But the bottom line is this kid is NOT just simply digging up old articles. The problem is that very few people are fucking paying attention. To ANYthing. And some of this shit NEEDS to be paid attention to. SO , sorry your feelings got hurt. Walk it off princess.
Seriously.
"Why don't to you read what I wrote and not get so tangle up in his theories and poking your dick up his arse?"
I did. I didn't really disagree with most of it... just the part I called you on.
"All this 'I don't know about you but the more I read etc etc....'"
Its true. And dude... It's a little creepy.
"I have said this before and will say it again (fucking hell...talk about repeat yourself!). I READ MOST OF WHAT Brad spouts on here 2 maybe three years ago...I read, I asses and I decide what to believe. I then tuck my ideas and thoughts away and don't throw them down other people's throats."
Then I don't think that makes you a bad person, I just think you are lazy and unhelpful. But you are entitled to be whatever you want to be. I don't really care.
"My whole issue is the infantile way he called my country cowards and accused us of sliding out of the back door."
Fine. Then just call him on that. How hard is that?
"I fucking wish we had slid out of the back door. I wish we'd never got involved in the first place. What I am saying is that making general sweeping statements about a nation or a country has to be false."
Sure its false. Sure its drama. I mean the whole thing is just a calculated attempt to get some more people actually discussing what is going on in the world today. If you have thrown the towel in on productive conversation- that's fine. But you can NOT deny that there are some things worthy of some pretty deep exploration.
All I am saying is it might be nice if you were to maybe help out a little... or at least don't be part of the problem.
But you do what you want. Oh, and might as well Fuck off as well. Its only fair.
r.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 04:44:17 EDT (#)
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no return not long return
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 04:43:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:16:17 (#)
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WOODY: ---------I am familiar with the post, I enjoyed the discussion on it. Your assertions on it were extremely naive, and thats being polite, but not physically impossible I guess. None of the explanations you made made it particularly clear that you weren't advocation a perpetual motion machine and that you were is the perception that came across very strongly.
It was overshadowed for my though by the guy who claimed that his workmate had acheived cold fusion on his desk.
I was actually reffering to where you said that building 7 collapsed in a time that could only be acheived in a vacuum. I'm not entirely 100% sure if thats covered by thermodynamics so I'll make a new Law. The Law of New-York isn't in a vacuum fuckwit.----------
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ME: Well don't hold me to account over something someone else said, and don't scoff at things you don't understand fully. I made it PERFECTLY clear that my musings about a car that did not have to stop for fuel was NOT a perpetual motion machine and did NOT violate thermodynamics because outside forces would be acting on the system such as sunlight, Coriolis effect, microorganisms, wind, heat, elements of the surrounding air, etc.
You people just took the thermodynamics thing and ran with it. I tried to clarify many times, but you would hear none of it, now you can fuck off. If you won't read what I write, then stop making assumptions about it based on what some other jackass said.
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WOODY: --------Dude, it is REALLY freaking hard to tell when you're joking and when you're serious. I'm well aware of Indoninjas style of arguing though, it's bloody annoying.------------
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ME: I'm dead serious. I wouldn't doubt that fucker was on someone's payroll for one minute. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it's possible. These people exist and are out there posting on the internet in an effort to skew key issues. They are PAID to do it by the unwitting U.S. taxpayer. Indoninja doesn't even pay attention to the things I write. It's almost like he doesn't even read it and goes right back to his internal script. Fuck him. I'm sick of arguing with his ignorant ass.
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WOODY:---------calm down, we won't destroy the planet, at worst we'd have to live in climate controlled buildings all the time. To be honest the effects of humanities pollution already peaked a few decades ago,(probably I'm aware that I can't say for sure) there has been a massive increase in Asthma related deaths and incidents of other respitatory conditions, but it turns out that humanity as a whole doesn't really care.
The Uranium would theoretically run out in the same way that the sun will eventually go out. Look at the ratios of how much there is even in just one stream from one year compared to how much the world would need. We have fuckloads, sriously insane amounts, no-one needs to worry about it for thousands of years.--------------
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ME: You think the worst that can happen is we'll have to live in climate controlled buildings??? Are you seriously stupid? That is an honest question, dude. I can't tell when you're being serious either. *pulls out hair*
If some scientists' hypotheses are correct and there is a "point of no return" for global warming after which the feedback loops would take over and boil us all alive in our own atmosphere, then that would be a little worse than having to live in climate controlled buildings, doncha think? Plus, what plants are gonna survive for us to live off of? What are we going to cultivate to eat if we can't even stand to be outside anymore because it's so fucking hot?
Pollution peaked a few decades ago? Where did you get that information? From a Cracker Jack box? Dude, China and India each have a billion plus people and they are in the midst of the largest industrial revolution since the United States and Europe in the earlth 20th century and you think that pollution peaked decades ago?
Come on...you're smarter than that, surely.
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[UK levels of air polution peaked a while ago, I'm sure its different for different countries though. Like I said we might have to stay inside controlled climate buildings/vehicles all the time, I don't see what your point is about boiling us alive, it won't boil us alive, because we'll be inside cool buildings. And a few million years ago there was a big fuck off forest on the south pole, there's no problem about plants, they'll just move north, already in the UK Oaks are strugglin in the south but thriving in scotland. I've seen a brazilian plant (I don't know whta its called but its straight from the rainforest) growing in Cornwall. There is no point of long return, billions of years of climate changes and earth has always swung back again, in the long run I suspect the next ice age will bother humanity more.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-18 04:02:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey Mr. Beano
So let me get this straight: you don't like that someone has allegorically painted your little island as cowards, consistently provides pages of writen material that he considers reference for you to refute and then intelligently defends his position against not only an onslaught of negative pricks that simply don't like him because the think he is fucking nuts- or people like you who without doing the requisite research dismiss what he is saying based ONLY on the way he says it?
Thats kinda sad don't you think?
I don't know about you... but the more I read his links, and watch the movies that get sent out... the more I at least question the possibility of this "radical theory" that there is at least some significant global puppeteering going on.
Now, personally I don't think it as insidious and successful as Mr. Tooth seems to >KNOW< it is (I tend to think things are a little more random than that.) - and I don't think the sky is falling quite as fast as he would suggest it might be... but if you give his arguments and the source material even a fleeting chance- it does contain some pretty compelling elements to suggest there is FAR more going on that us ignorant masses care to know about.
Perhaps someone yelling "WAKE THE FUCK UP!" isn't all that polite... but why don't we pretend it is really more like a gentle nudge and a tactful "you know its really time we started to pay a little more attention to some of the more questionable things that are going on every day that we either dismiss completely, largely ignore or acknowledge but can't be bothered to do anything about"... and then carry on the discussion.
"Wake the fuck up" is just easier... and largely appropriate.
r.
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Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-17 14:07:15 (#)
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Alright rob, you can take off the tights and cape, palooka. Brad doesn't need you to swoop in and defend his views from those who disagree with them; he's perfectly capable of doing so on his own.
A lot of people here don't have a problem with Brad's theories per se; it's the way he presents and defends them. As such, more users come to his posts to argue with him and he in turn gets more exposure for his ideas, so it abstractly works out positively for him this way.
So, you can strap your reviews with all the intelligence you like but when you slip a juvenile insult like calling his detractors "pricks", you lose the point of why he posts these things here in the first place. You're defending his and your own opinions (key word) while quasi-sophmorically dismissing others, revealing your inherent piety and thus undermining the value of the point you try to make.
At least Brad is entertaining in his defenses, while yours bores me shitless (there's that pesky opinion thing again).
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Rob I think SilvrWolf replied to you far better than I am capable of.
I am capable of only this.
Fuck you.
Why don't to you read what I wrote and not get so tangle up in his theories and poking your dick up his arse?
All this 'I don't know about you but the more I read etc etc....'
I have said this before and will say it again (fucking hell...talk about repeat yourself!). I READ MOST OF WHAT Brad spouts on here 2 maybe three years ago...I read, I asses and I decide what to believe. I then tuck my ideas and thoughts away and don't throw them down other people's throats.
My whole issue is the infantile way he called my country cowards and accused us of sliding out of the back door.
I fucking wish we had slid out of the back door. I wish we'd never got involved in the first place. What I am saying is that making general sweeping statements about a nation or a country has to be false.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-18 03:56:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Why shouldn't he criticise a country that has young men die because they bought into a war that some other country's leaders made up? That's a pretty fucking excellent reason to criticise a country to my mind.
We have sold our own soldiers down the river just so we can cuddle a bit closer to america in the hopes of getting a handout. You know this to be true - we (and I'm referring to brits here) all do. If you find it offensive that's because it IS offensive - it's fucking outrageous and we should be making sure our politicians know it.
There is no need to get upset with someone pointing out our wrongdoing just because that person happens to be american. We're not the guy in the white hat here and you'll notice any criticism of england he makes does not even come close to the bile that he spits at his own country.
Ease off the national pride a little bit - we don't have much justification for it at this moment in time
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Fuck you too.
Why can't anyone get over the political shit that he and you are spurting. I pointed this out from the off.... Listen to me because I'm going to say it again.
I agree with what he says in general. OK, I don't like the administration either. But...But...this is the important bit.
Making a sweeping statement that the 'country is cowardly' and is trying to 'slip out the back door' is plain fucking stupid.
Do not tar me with the same brush you tar Tony Blair.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 02:32:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2006-07-18 02:21:42 (#)
Ranking: 2
good read. not too much new here, but many aren't paying attention.
check this out if you haven't read it:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
it's interesting at least
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Thank you.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2006-07-18 02:21:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
good read. not too much new here, but many aren't paying attention.
check this out if you haven't read it:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
it's interesting at least
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-18 01:55:04 EDT (#)
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Sorry, Rob, I disagree. Perkman is indeed a complete idiot. He cannot write, he cannot
spell, he cannot construct a complete sentence. He is a fool beyond comparison.
Those are his good points. . . . . .
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Fair enough.
r.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-18 01:52:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 23:14:13 (#)
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You're giving Jason Greening, the child rapist from Denver, Colorado, member of the Colorado Democratic Party, more credit than he's worth.
Please point me to a single thing he's said over the past 6 months that is even worth reading.
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The last thing I want is to facilitate another skirmish between the two of you... God knows I have seen enough petty back and forth from you kids in my short time here. You two don't like each other. We get it.
Not having the exposure to past idiocy, death threats or any alleged proclivity to fondle young children- I am just going on what I have actually read. Despite his asinine behavior when you are involved, I have found him to be at least somewhat articulate and honest.
However, if I were picking people to be on my trivial pursuit team- you'd fully be the choice. No question.
So please, stop wasting time scraping with someone who is absolutely not worth your time. You need to be out there in digging up and exposing all of the important shit that we, the people, need to be aware of.
r.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-07-17 23:31:31 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 23:14:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:09:40 (#)
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Aww Christ Almighty.
Look, Perk. Go away.
The point of my response to Mr. Greening was illicit more productive discourse. Despite his annoying tendency to foam at the mouth when talking with ETS- he generally has some rather compelling things to add to the conversation. You are just trolling.
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You're giving Jason Greening, the child rapist from Denver, Colorado, member of the Colorado Democratic Party, more credit than he's worth.
Please point me to a single thing he's said over the past 6 months that is even worth reading.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:52:31 EDT (#)
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Looks like Mr. Sloped Forehead is rubbing off on me
"Even if it from"
Mmmmmmmmmhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:44:45 EDT (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
I do love me a hate filled diatribe, even if it from Cro-Magnon over here
Good show, stupid, you just went up an IQ point in my book, bringing your total to 6
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Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:24:24 (#)
Ranking: 0
For you to think I would give a lonely, fat, slob, who stalks people on the net, and also stalks people from uber my real name makes me laugh.
It really does. Unlike you I have a life and a reputation to hold on to. I plan to hopefully play D-1 sports. I'm not some fat loser who has no one who cares about who they are, or what they do to be able to leave my entire life on the net. For anyone and everyone to see and critque.
Your life is in shambles, You have failed so miserably and have a life that is completely utterly pathetic that you could post your ugly face on here with a thong on your head and get no repercussions. No boss at work to bitch at you well because your nothing.
Me and others like me don't have that luxury. Were actually trying to make something out of our lives.
I would never give anyone on here. And Someone like "you" my information. For 2 simple reasons. 1. I don't take this site that serioulsy, and 2. I have my own friends in real life, why do I need to hang out and talk to strangers in real life that I don't even fucking know? please let me know? I don't need ubercons and this site to make friends you pathetic dolt.
God your life makes me wonder this.
How can anyone be so fucking pathetic? Please Piggy let me know?
And your not going to stop huh? your going to go on your little Alter hunt that isn't founded in anything but the crevise of your small brain huh? Go talk to people on AOL and ask who "PerkMan" really is. Is he a Shandy Alter? or a Bart one? while everyone looks at you rolls there eyes and laughs. And they all think this.
"that Jaypeg guy is a fucking loser, really it's so fucking sad. this guy actually thinks ubersite is real or something, He actually think this site means something, Wow I have never met anyone that pathetic. Lets just encourage him and laugh" (All uber tell me I'm not mistaken. This is how you all truly do feel about the pig huh?)
And you won't get it will you. Until Method spits in your face at the next Ubercon, or else Apollo Makes fun of you and they shoot you with a paint ball gun in the ass, or else they all lie to you about where the ubercon is held, or else when you go to someones house they all turn off the lights and pretend not to be there. Then let you in right when your about to leave. They will all laugh and so you will you. but their's will be laughter of glee. Yours will be a nervous "Cackle".
Then it's going to go on to Bart telling someone on here that it's really creepy that you call him at night time to "talk". And he will get fed up with you going to him to moderate uber and get people banned. Then finally Bart will tell Method or someone how much of a tool he thinks you really are. And then the entire of uber will turn on you. Bart may even by you or else get a restraining order. Because well your not mentally stable.
And I wouldn't give a mentally unstable person my name or even my address. to you I will always just be Perkman you fucking whack job.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:18:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:09:40 (#)
Ranking: 0
Aww Christ Almighty.
Look, Perk. Go away.
The point of my response to Mr. Greening was illicit more productive discourse. Despite his annoying tendency to foam at the mouth when talking with ETS- he generally has some rather compelling things to add to the conversation. You are just trolling.
See my comments were not an open invitation or in any way encouragement for you to pollute this thread with your own brand of stupidity.
Cutting and pasting this drivel in some pseudo triumphant attempt to either make yourself look cooler- or somehow embarrass Mr. Greening has failed miserably. It's desperate, it's sad and most of all it's fucking boring.
Having skimmed through your verbal diarrhea its obvious that yer not a complete idiot, but your ill-conceived and poorly executed rambling is shockingly bad.
I know... why don't you go start up one them trendy new blogs! Huh? That way you can blather on all you want without wasting everyone's time.
Or if you insist on sticking around- please try and be a little less annoying and A LOT more intelligent.
r.
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Sorry, Rob, I disagree. Perkman is indeed a complete idiot. He cannot write, he cannot
spell, he cannot construct a complete sentence. He is a fool beyond comparison.
Those are his good points. . . . . .
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 21:09:40 EDT (#)
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Aww Christ Almighty.
Look, Perk. Go away.
The point of my response to Mr. Greening was illicit more productive discourse. Despite his annoying tendency to foam at the mouth when talking with ETS- he generally has some rather compelling things to add to the conversation. You are just trolling.
See my comments were not an open invitation or in any way encouragement for you to pollute this thread with your own brand of stupidity.
Cutting and pasting this drivel in some pseudo triumphant attempt to either make yourself look cooler- or somehow embarrass Mr. Greening has failed miserably. It's desperate, it's sad and most of all it's fucking boring.
Having skimmed through your verbal diarrhea its obvious that yer not a complete idiot, but your ill-conceived and poorly executed rambling is shockingly bad.
I know... why don't you go start up one them trendy new blogs! Huh? That way you can blather on all you want without wasting everyone's time.
Or if you insist on sticking around- please try and be a little less annoying and A LOT more intelligent.
r.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:45:27 EDT (#)
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The Ultimate response to Jaypig. IF he ever gets out of line use post this. I apoligize because this has nothing to do with the above post.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:24:24 (#)
Ranking: 0
For you to think I would give a lonely, fat, slob, who stalks people on the net, and also stalks people from uber my real name makes me laugh.
It really does. Unlike you I have a life and a reputation to hold on to. I plan to hopefully play D-1 sports. I'm not some fat loser who has no one who cares about who they are, or what they do to be able to leave my entire life on the net. For anyone and everyone to see and critque.
Your life is in shambles, You have failed so miserably and have a life that is completely utterly pathetic that you could post your ugly face on here with a thong on your head and get no repercussions. No boss at work to bitch at you well because your nothing.
Me and others like me don't have that luxury. Were actually trying to make something out of our lives.
I would never give anyone on here. And Someone like "you" my information. For 2 simple reasons. 1. I don't take this site that serioulsy, and 2. I have my own friends in real life, why do I need to hang out and talk to strangers in real life that I don't even fucking know? please let me know? I don't need ubercons and this site to make friends you pathetic dolt.
God your life makes me wonder this.
How can anyone be so fucking pathetic? Please Piggy let me know?
And your not going to stop huh? your going to go on your little Alter hunt that isn't founded in anything but the crevise of your small brain huh? Go talk to people on AOL and ask who "PerkMan" really is. Is he a Shandy Alter? or a Bart one? while everyone looks at you rolls there eyes and laughs. And they all think this.
"that Jaypeg guy is a fucking loser, really it's so fucking sad. this guy actually thinks ubersite is real or something, He actually think this site means something, Wow I have never met anyone that pathetic. Lets just encourage him and laugh" (All uber tell me I'm not mistaken. This is how you all truly do feel about the pig huh?)
And you won't get it will you. Until Method spits in your face at the next Ubercon, or else Apollo Makes fun of you and they shoot you with a paint ball gun in the ass, or else they all lie to you about where the ubercon is held, or else when you go to someones house they all turn off the lights and pretend not to be there. Then let you in right when your about to leave. They will all laugh and so you will you. but their's will be laughter of glee. Yours will be a nervous "Cackle".
Then it's going to go on to Bart telling someone on here that it's really creepy that you call him at night time to "talk". And he will get fed up with you going to him to moderate uber and get people banned. Then finally Bart will tell Method or someone how much of a tool he thinks you really are. And then the entire of uber will turn on you. Bart may even by you or else get a restraining order. Because well your not mentally stable.
And I wouldn't give a mentally unstable person my name or even my address. to you I will always just be Perkman you fucking whack job.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 19:16:17 EDT (#)
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WOODY: ---------I am familiar with the post, I enjoyed the discussion on it. Your assertions on it were extremely naive, and thats being polite, but not physically impossible I guess. None of the explanations you made made it particularly clear that you weren't advocation a perpetual motion machine and that you were is the perception that came across very strongly.
It was overshadowed for my though by the guy who claimed that his workmate had acheived cold fusion on his desk.
I was actually reffering to where you said that building 7 collapsed in a time that could only be acheived in a vacuum. I'm not entirely 100% sure if thats covered by thermodynamics so I'll make a new Law. The Law of New-York isn't in a vacuum fuckwit.----------
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ME: Well don't hold me to account over something someone else said, and don't scoff at things you don't understand fully. I made it PERFECTLY clear that my musings about a car that did not have to stop for fuel was NOT a perpetual motion machine and did NOT violate thermodynamics because outside forces would be acting on the system such as sunlight, Coriolis effect, microorganisms, wind, heat, elements of the surrounding air, etc.
You people just took the thermodynamics thing and ran with it. I tried to clarify many times, but you would hear none of it, now you can fuck off. If you won't read what I write, then stop making assumptions about it based on what some other jackass said.
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WOODY: --------Dude, it is REALLY freaking hard to tell when you're joking and when you're serious. I'm well aware of Indoninjas style of arguing though, it's bloody annoying.------------
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ME: I'm dead serious. I wouldn't doubt that fucker was on someone's payroll for one minute. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it's possible. These people exist and are out there posting on the internet in an effort to skew key issues. They are PAID to do it by the unwitting U.S. taxpayer. Indoninja doesn't even pay attention to the things I write. It's almost like he doesn't even read it and goes right back to his internal script. Fuck him. I'm sick of arguing with his ignorant ass.
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WOODY:---------calm down, we won't destroy the planet, at worst we'd have to live in climate controlled buildings all the time. To be honest the effects of humanities pollution already peaked a few decades ago,(probably I'm aware that I can't say for sure) there has been a massive increase in Asthma related deaths and incidents of other respitatory conditions, but it turns out that humanity as a whole doesn't really care.
The Uranium would theoretically run out in the same way that the sun will eventually go out. Look at the ratios of how much there is even in just one stream from one year compared to how much the world would need. We have fuckloads, sriously insane amounts, no-one needs to worry about it for thousands of years.--------------
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ME: You think the worst that can happen is we'll have to live in climate controlled buildings??? Are you seriously stupid? That is an honest question, dude. I can't tell when you're being serious either. *pulls out hair*
If some scientists' hypotheses are correct and there is a "point of no return" for global warming after which the feedback loops would take over and boil us all alive in our own atmosphere, then that would be a little worse than having to live in climate controlled buildings, doncha think? Plus, what plants are gonna survive for us to live off of? What are we going to cultivate to eat if we can't even stand to be outside anymore because it's so fucking hot?
Pollution peaked a few decades ago? Where did you get that information? From a Cracker Jack box? Dude, China and India each have a billion plus people and they are in the midst of the largest industrial revolution since the United States and Europe in the earlth 20th century and you think that pollution peaked decades ago?
Come on...you're smarter than that, surely.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-17 18:46:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Brad, you didn't offend me in any way, dude, and if I came off that way, I sincerely apologize. You know it's only occasionally that I comment on your recent posts and mostly, it's because I have nothing poignant or insightful to add. I do read, think about and often research the topics you bring forth, though. I just don't come to Uber to be serious anymore, so when I do make comments, they're usually rude or just some kind of blatant sarcasm (or insane randomness) off the cuff.
What made you think I'm offended? Please don't take any of my comments seriously, or if *I* have offended you, let me know how or why and we'll discuss it.
The only reason I commented here was to address rob_berg and the way he was appearing to me in his own replies. It was in no way an attack on you or your ideas.
You know as well as I that I respect your opinions and actually try to make sure I have as much info as possible should I decide to retort. I enjoy the discussions we've had on here, but I'm just missing the old days where we wasted three hours going back and forth with Tool lyrics and making Loren's hoo-hoo tickle.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 18:35:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hahahahaa way to put the pig in his place!
hahaha jaypig you suck at life. hahah an internet dick you are hey? why because your a pathetic bitch in the real world huh? god your life is god awful.
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Hey Perk, your mother wants you to bring her some dinner. Bitch is gettung hungry sucking my cock all day.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 17:44:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:29:59 (#)
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Anyone else starting to think that Rob Berg is ETS?
He hasn't flipped out yet, so he might not be, but I really doubt he isn't another one of ETS's alters that he loves to converse with.
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Oh hell yes, well maybe, but he's a much more sensible persona.
submitted by ETS:
First, let me address you allegation that I won't accept the laws of thermodynamics. That whole argument with Indoninja goes back to a complete misunderstanding of what I was trying to say about the potential for a vehicle that would never have to stop to fuel up.
Indo's assertion was that the power you get out of the sytem cannot be greater than the power going into the system. This is true enough and I acknowledged it NUMEROUS times and was COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IGNORED. I refuted that unequivocally when I said there might be ways of harnessing the potential for microorganisms, sunlight, wind, and/or heat in such a way as to extract the requisite energy for use in the vehicle.
That was completely ignored and has followed me ever since.
I tried to tell Indo that's what I was saying several times and it fell on deaf ears. You people had rather keep up your idea of me than acknowledge when YOU'RE wrong. That's the bottom fucking line.
Don't believe me, go look it the fuck up! I think it was my post called 'Hybrids: a Rant' or something. You search for it, cause I don't give a flying fuck anymore.
---------I am familiar with the post, I enjoyed the discussion on it. Your assertions on it were extremely naive, and thats being polite, but not physically impossible I guess. None of the explanations you made made it particularly clear that you weren't advocation a perpetual motion machine and that you were is the perception that came across very strongly.
It was overshadowed for my though by the guy who claimed that his workmate had acheived cold fusion on his desk.
I was actually reffering to where you said that building 7 collapsed in a time that could only be acheived in a vacuum. I'm not entirely 100% sure if thats covered by thermodynamics so I'll make a new Law. The Law of New-York isn't in a vacuum fuckwit.----------
I accuse Indo of possibly being employed by the government because the U.S. govenrnment has a well-documented psy-ops campaign in place through a company called The Rendon Group (http://www.rendon.com/), this is the group that plants stories in foreign newspapers for the U.S. government for the purpose of selling war or policy, and Indo's fervent disinformation and distraction campaign he wages on virtually every single one of my posts to incite hatred toward me fits the MO of such firms. The accusation was less of a serious one and more of a rhetorical one. I wanted to draw attention to the methods by which Indo was trying to subvert many or ALL of my points.
--------Dude, it is REALLY freaking hard to tell when you're joking and when you're serious. I'm well aware of Indoninjas style of arguing though, it's bloody annoying.------------
Here's the thing, Woody... I hope you're right about the uranium from seawater. The problem is, it's still not gonna be infinite and will only serve to buy us time. I've been an advocate of nuclear for a while now as a way to try to stem the use of carbon-based sources. While the dangers are still there with nuclear, I think we've reached a point where the alternative, fossil fuels, are even more dangerous. Eventually, we will either have to learn to live in accordance with our environment and find clean sources of energy, or burn all the coal in the ground and basically destroy the planet in the process.
---------calm down, we won't destroy the planet, at worst we'd have to live in climate controlled buildings all the time. To be honest the effects of humanities pollution already peaked a few decades ago,(probably I'm aware that I can't say for sure) there has been a massive increase in Asthma related deaths and incidents of other respitatory conditions, but it turns out that humanity as a whole doesn't really care.
The Uranium would theoretically run out in the same way that the sun will eventually go out. Look at the ratios of how much there is even in just one stream from one year compared to how much the world would need. We have fuckloads, sriously insane amounts, no-one needs to worry about it for thousands of years.--------------
You raise an interesting point, though, Woody... If uranium from seawater is such a viable option, then why is it not offered more as a possible alternative? Could it be that someone is simply trying to scare people into believing that so they will accept that our boys keep dying over it?
Could it be that they want us to think oil is necessary so they can keep us burning it as long as possible, thus securing certain parties' investments?
Could it POSSIBLY be that the war machine-makers and the oil-drillers don't WANT us to find alternative sources until the last possible moment? Because if you're correct, then I can find no other way to explain why we're dicking around in Iraq.
Make sense?
------------No it doesn't make sense. Mining uranium is simply cheaper that filtering it. thats all there is too it, as oil continues to lose its economic advantage other sources will continue to take over.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-17 17:28:02 EDT (#)
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I wrote a respone for you, you cock. Go read it. ETS
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:51:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by RenTheUnsightly (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:48:28 (#)
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+2 for being a so-called extremist.
Jesus. Do you really think the governments of Isreal, U.S., Iran, and the leaders of Hezbollah really give a fuck about captured soldiers? Yeah, the Isreali gov will not stand by the Hezbollah terrorists capturint TWO FUCKING SOLDIER, and they are willing to let countless civilizians die from bombings as a result.
This is about IRAN VERSUS US. Geopolitics, plain and simple.
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Thank you. At least someone gets it.
See: Operation Himmler or the Gleiwitz incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Gleiwitz_radio_station)
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:45:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:29:59 (#)
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Anyone else starting to think that Rob Berg is ETS?
He hasn't flipped out yet, so he might not be, but I really doubt he isn't another one of ETS's alters that he loves to converse with.
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I don't quite understand the whole alter paranoia- but I find it terribly amusing.
Honestly, I don't have the energy or the drive to be ETS, I'm far too lazy. I can see why you might simplistically make that assumption; however, it doesn't make it any less stupid.
"but I really doubt he isn't"
Pretty sweet English there... next time just try "I think he might be"
Considering your name I am going to ASSume its an esl sort of issue- but double negatives are dumb. (unless I do them, of course, then they don't not suck.)
See, I just would like to see some more proactive discussions take place around here... and figured since I don't have that much to offer in the instigation of them, I can at least do my part in attempting to foster them.
Besides, making fun of the idiots just happens to be one of my more favorite past-times... and this site is plum full of 'em.
Oh, and I'm bored and a little prone to being an gratuitous attention whore.
r.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:44:05 EDT (#)
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Nah, I reckon he's canadian.
But then I once spent ten minutes convinced that you were ETS indo, so that shows how much I know.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:29:59 EDT (#)
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Anyone else starting to think that Rob Berg is ETS?
He hasn't flipped out yet, so he might not be, but I really doubt he isn't another one of ETS's alters that he loves to converse with.
Submitted by DonovanMD (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:28:54 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:21:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:06:22 (#)
Ranking: 2
"With the exception of a couple of occasions where I thought the post in question was incredibly ignorant, I have stayed away from political discussions on Uber and I will continue to do so. This is mainly due to the fact that I don't consider myself an expert, well read maybe (various new sources, chomsky, Truthout etc ect) but far from qualified. "
Dude, I think that is a real shame. You are incredibly well spoken and obviously very intelligent!
You don't have to be an expert- the beauty of a site like this is that it attracts all kinds of people with various levels of exposure to all SORTS of random things. Conversations like this should encourage open communication and allow all sorts of questions to be asked and the answers should (and often do) come from various sources, with varying degrees of expertise.
Pretty please, don't let the stupidity around here get you down... I think the more smart people who participate in these little chats, the more likely the rabble will go entertain themselves elsewhere and the grown ups can not only just talk about this shit- but maybe start forming some sort of plan to proactively affect it.
Either way I absolutely enjoyed your review and truly hope to read more them!
r.
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:06:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:24:14 (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 19:40:49 (#)
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Are you fucking serious? Have you seen a Native Reserve in Canada?
Or you could live like they did before the Europeans, but have fun dying from diseases we've already cured by the age of 35.
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It's not the length of life, but the quality that matters.
And yes, of course I meant before the white man came, although knowing what I know now, I might have just let them all starve to death. That would be a tough choice.
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Where to start here...
I don't come here anymore. Popped on today to check out a post for a friend and ended up clicking here to see what the fuss was all about.
Interesting stuff. As far as the Israeli conflict is concerned, I'm going to keep my opinion to myself. Suffice to say I agree with you on various points.
With the exception of a couple of occasions where I thought the post in question was incredibly ignorant, I have stayed away from political discussions on Uber and I will continue to do so. This is mainly due to the fact that I don't consider myself an expert, well read maybe (various new sources, chomsky, Truthout etc ect) but far from qualified.
On the issue of Aboriginal peoples, I am inclined to voice my opinion.
In another life I worked in the forest industry. I was a key voice in the Canadian Woodlot program and helped to form the guidelines for one of the forest districts in the interior of British Columbia Canada.
As part of my job, I was responsible for Archeological Impact assessments along with biodiversity and other concerns when developing plans for sustained harvest.
This meant I was trained to recognize signs of historic indegenous(sp)habitation in areas we were preparing to cut. I spent many hours in Native reserves, being taught the history of various clans by Elders and local archeologists alike. I also took it upon myself (out of my own curiosity) to read the accounts of the earliest explorers to BC.
As far as your perception of the Aboriginal peoples being noble, I have to agree to a point. They did live off the land, they did worship nature in its various facets, and their impact to the environment was minimal at best (in most cases). To say they live in harmony with the land is a bit much, suffice to say they lived far more harmoniously with it than the Europeans did since they arrived.
However, lets not forget that they were human beings with all the faults that are inherent with our genetic makeup.
They were not immune to jealousy, rage, envy, murder and the like.
Wars were fought with all the brutality that exists today. Women and children (Sometimes in the womb)were murdered. Entire peoples were wiped out in one masacre after another. Slavery was both practiced and expected. Women were abducted and raped.
To say their quality of life was better is a gross generalization in my opinion. I cannot speak for the tribes in warmer climes, but the clans up here spent spring and summer preparing for fall and winter.
Winter's were spent in a bid for survival.
Accounts I have read from the earliest explorers talk of squallid living conditions and a high suicide rate long before the Pox or catholic re-education came into play.
What happened after the Europeans and religious zealots arrived was an atrocity as evil as anything that has happened on this earth, there's no denying that, but don't fool youself.
The people living here before any of us were just people. They were as human as you and I and prone to all the negative connotations that comes with being what we are.
Would they have been better off without our interference? Definitely.
Did they live as blessed children in a Garden of Eden before we arrived? Definitely not.
Uhhkay, I'm spent. Buhbye again.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-17 16:04:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 12:43:07 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:50:35 (#)
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So, Rob, lemme get this straight.
I'm doing something wrong...
By doing that which this site was made for...
Look, I never said you were doing anything wrong. Just boring and pathetic. You can continue being a child if you feel the urge- it just make you look like a fool and instead of accomplishing your goal of humiliating ETS- you only discredit and marginalize yourself.
"Trying to see the logic, but I really don't, cockfag."
Cockfag?
Are we on the playground here? I tell you that you actions are pathetic, encourage you to reel in your insane grudge because its boring the shit out of me, and you come back with an uncreative fagitty slur?
YAWN.
"To quote John Malkovich, as Teddy KGB (which was one of the most over the top Ruskie accents I've ever heard)
I'll splash the pot, whenever the fuck I want. "
Yes, you have a big giant internet dick. We are all suitably impressed.
"Don't like it?
Oh... Gosh oh golly oh geewillikers and darn.
(That's 50's speak for "oh fucking well, get the fuck over it, mushroom stamp")"
Look, its amusing- at times. But this rampage you have been on is ridiculous and largely ignorant. If you feel the urge to continue splashing the pot- go right ahead. I only care because I think you are an intelligent, affable kid and it pains me to watch you reduce yourself to such a blathering idiot when it comes to the EST fellow. Be objective. Hate him all you want... but just realize that without doing the proper research you just end up looking like a cranky petulant child.
Hooray for you. You win. (I guess.)
r.
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Hahahahaa way to put the pig in his place!
hahaha jaypig you suck at life. hahah an internet dick you are hey? why because your a pathetic bitch in the real world huh? god your life is god awful.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:58:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:29:48 (#)
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Rob: I appreciate your comments. They are moderate and thoughtful and aren't calling people 'pricks' so much as asking them politely not to ACT like them.
WHATEVER!
FUCK YOU, PRICK.
:)
r.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:56:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:33:57 (#)
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Rob, it's not about the internet dick.
I simply can't stand people who think they're better because they think they can play "Mr. Moderator".
And sorry, twatslap, you fall into that category right now.
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Look, Mr. Greening.
Honestly... I don't want to fight with you. Yer acting childish and I only say these things to you because I WANT you to part of the discussion.
I don't think I am better... I KNOW I am better. But that is beside the point and a silly thing to focus on.
With a site that is void of Moderators, moderation needs to come from the people who want to participate in a discussion that is open and honest. As I said, divergent opinion is encouraged... but BACK YER SHIT UP. I am just asking you to do the research and then enter the discussion intelligently or simply fuck off and go waste your time elsewhere. You are entitled to do whatever you want.
Twatslap?
meh. Do you actually feel proud of yourself after you squat out such inane vocabularic turds.
(look I made up a word too! hooray for me!)
r.
Submitted by RenTheUnsightly (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:48:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
+2 for being a so-called extremist.
Jesus. Do you really think the governments of Isreal, U.S., Iran, and the leaders of Hezbollah really give a fuck about captured soldiers? Yeah, the Isreali gov will not stand by the Hezbollah terrorists capturint TWO FUCKING SOLDIER, and they are willing to let countless civilizians die from bombings as a result.
This is about IRAN VERSUS US. Geopolitics, plain and simple.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:33:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Rob, it's not about the internet dick.
I simply can't stand people who think they're better because they think they can play "Mr. Moderator".
And sorry, twatslap, you fall into that category right now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:29:48 EDT (#)
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Excuse me...I called you "wardy", I meant Woody.
Silvr: Did I offend you in some way I'm unaware of?
Rob: I appreciate your comments. They are moderate and thoughtful and aren't calling people 'pricks' so much as asking them politely not to ACT like them.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:21:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:47:17 (#)
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Rob, the reason so many people seem (are if you like) like giant tits, (mmmm giant tits) and aren't bothering to refute his points is that it doesn't make any difference. He simply will not acknowledge anything that shows him wrong, up to and including refusing to accept the laws of thermodynamics, and accusing Indoninja of being employed by the usa government to slander his arguments and generally disturb the discussion of 11/9 on the web.
He refuses to accept he has been proven wrong ever.
Watch.
ETS/Brad/Vengeance/whatever you'd like me to call you....you did a post claiming that there was going to be a quote "energy crisis" you claimed that when oil ran out we would not be able to produce enough electricity and as some sort of consequence to this.
I said that we can get plenty of energy by filtering uranium from seawater, as one example of the huge number of sources of energy available.
Sources...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=uranium+from+seawater&spell=1
There are lots here, just google the phrase uranium from seawater.
You said you would respond to my point about this several weeks ago. You haven't.
Now admit you are wrong. No ifs or buts or wriggling or changing the subject. Just one review saying yes I was completely wrong, there will be no energy crisis.
If you do I will leave Ubersite forever.
That is, using your definition of forever, i.e 9 days.
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First, let me address you allegation that I won't accept the laws of thermodynamics. That whole argument with Indoninja goes back to a complete misunderstanding of what I was trying to say about the potential for a vehicle that would never have to stop to fuel up.
Indo's assertion was that the power you get out of the sytem cannot be greater than the power going into the system. This is true enough and I acknowledged it NUMEROUS times and was COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IGNORED. I refuted that unequivocally when I said there might be ways of harnessing the potential for microorganisms, sunlight, wind, and/or heat in such a way as to extract the requisite energy for use in the vehicle.
That was completely ignored and has followed me ever since.
I tried to tell Indo that's what I was saying several times and it fell on deaf ears. You people had rather keep up your idea of me than acknowledge when YOU'RE wrong. That's the bottom fucking line.
Don't believe me, go look it the fuck up! I think it was my post called 'Hybrids: a Rant' or something. You search for it, cause I don't give a flying fuck anymore.
I accuse Indo of possibly being employed by the government because the U.S. govenrnment has a well-documented psy-ops campaign in place through a company called The Rendon Group (http://www.rendon.com/), this is the group that plants stories in foreign newspapers for the U.S. government for the purpose of selling war or policy, and Indo's fervent disinformation and distraction campaign he wages on virtually every single one of my posts to incite hatred toward me fits the MO of such firms. The accusation was less of a serious one and more of a rhetorical one. I wanted to draw attention to the methods by which Indo was trying to subvert many or ALL of my points.
Here's the thing, Wardy... I hope you're right about the uranium from seawater. The problem is, it's still not gonna be infinite and will only serve to buy us time. I've been an advocate of nuclear for a while now as a way to try to stem the use of carbon-based sources. While the dangers are still there with nuclear, I think we've reached a point where the alternative, fossil fuels, are even more dangerous. Eventually, we will either have to learn to live in accordance with our environment and find clean sources of energy, or burn all the coal in the ground and basically destroy the planet in the process.
You raise an interesting point, though, Wardy... If uranium from seawater is such a viable option, then why is it not offered more as a possible alternative? Could it be that someone is simply trying to scare people into believing that so they will accept that our boys keep dying over it?
Could it be that they want us to think oil is necessary so they can keep us burning it as long as possible, thus securing certain parties' investments?
Could it POSSIBLY be that the war machine-makers and the oil-drillers don't WANT us to find alternative sources until the last possible moment? Because if you're correct, then I can find no other way to explain why we're dicking around in Iraq.
Make sense?
Submitted by ParlorTrick (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:09:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
The agenda is being slipped to us like a ruffie in our nightly news.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 15:02:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-17 14:07:15 (#)
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"Alright rob, you can take off the tights and cape, palooka."
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Yay! Palooka! That's like one of my favorite terms ever.
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"Brad doesn't need you to swoop in and defend his views from those who disagree with them; he's perfectly capable of doing so on his own. "
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Of course he doesn't. I do it because I grow weary of the constant wave of bullshit that comes crashing down on this kid whenever he makes a post. God knows I am more than willing to make fun of people when they are truly deserving- and from I can gather this ETS character has done many a stupid thing to so deeply offend some of the people on this site- but you have to admit its a bit ridiculous.
It's equally obvious he is capable of doing it himself as well... but to be quite honest with you, I would prefer he spend his time on productive topics that move the conversation forward then continuously having to deal with all of the rampant ignorance that gets shit all over everything he posts.
Do I think he's a dickhead at times? Absolutely- I have digitally bitch slapped him for being cuntish as well... I'm just >really< hoping for these conversations to actually show progress one day.
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A lot of people here don't have a problem with Brad's theories per se; it's the way he presents and defends them. As such, more users come to his posts to argue with him and he in turn gets more exposure for his ideas, so it abstractly works out positively for him this way.
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Absolutely. The arguing aspect is a GOOD thing. You will notice I am only distinguishing a couple key individuals who personally attack him and muddy up the conversation with needless self-indulgent boring name calling and petty euphemistic idiocy.
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So, you can strap your reviews with all the intelligence you like but when you slip a juvenile insult like calling his detractors "pricks", you lose the point of why he posts these things here in the first place. You're defending his and your own opinions (key word) while quasi-sophmorically dismissing others, revealing your inherent piety and thus undermining the value of the point you try to make.
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Agreed. But I have been engaged in many conversations with many people both online and off and sometimes, much like a gardener, you need to pull out some weeds to let the garden grow. I don't call ALL of his detractors "pricks" I have simply pointed directly at the people who are acting like "pricks" onthese specific posts and asked them participate in the discourse or please fuck off. I LOVE conversation and divergent opinion makes this site entertaining and educational... but sometimes it goes too far over the edge into mindless unproductive slop.
Look, I am far from pious. I can be a caustic dickhead just as much as the next guy. Besides, some people truly deserve having their ass handed to them.
Quite frankly I don't think I have been defending his opinions any more than I have been simply asking specific useless mud slingers to back the fuck out of the ring and let the discussion move forward... not sideways.
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At least Brad is entertaining in his defenses, while yours bores me shitless (there's that pesky opinion thing again).
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Really? Geez, I find me quite entertaining. I completely respect your opinion and truly thank you for making it known. Maybe you would care to be a little more pro-active in the discussion as well? God knows we need all the smart people we got to shake off their collective apathy and start helping- instead of just casually observing.
r.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-17 14:28:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:15:54 (#)
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How fucking dare you insult a country who has had young men die while fighting some cock arse war that your wanker leaders made up?
As for too pussy to start our own fights?...man I seem to recall you boys didn't complaint when you started a war against the whole fucking world (or at the least an invisible and unidentifiable group of people) and we came running to your aid.
You arrogant cunt.
And if that last paragraph is supposed to suggest that we have slipped out the side door while you continue to bravely fight evil then again...you are a sad excuse of a human being.
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Why shouldn't he criticise a country that has young men die because they bought into a war that some other country's leaders made up? That's a pretty fucking excellent reason to criticise a country to my mind.
We have sold our own soldiers down the river just so we can cuddle a bit closer to america in the hopes of getting a handout. You know this to be true - we (and I'm referring to brits here) all do. If you find it offensive that's because it IS offensive - it's fucking outrageous and we should be making sure our politicians know it.
There is no need to get upset with someone pointing out our wrongdoing just because that person happens to be american. We're not the guy in the white hat here and you'll notice any criticism of england he makes does not even come close to the bile that he spits at his own country.
Ease off the national pride a little bit - we don't have much justification for it at this moment in time.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-17 14:07:15 EDT (#)
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Alright rob, you can take off the tights and cape, palooka. Brad doesn't need you to swoop in and defend his views from those who disagree with them; he's perfectly capable of doing so on his own.
A lot of people here don't have a problem with Brad's theories per se; it's the way he presents and defends them. As such, more users come to his posts to argue with him and he in turn gets more exposure for his ideas, so it abstractly works out positively for him this way.
So, you can strap your reviews with all the intelligence you like but when you slip a juvenile insult like calling his detractors "pricks", you lose the point of why he posts these things here in the first place. You're defending his and your own opinions (key word) while quasi-sophmorically dismissing others, revealing your inherent piety and thus undermining the value of the point you try to make.
At least Brad is entertaining in his defenses, while yours bores me shitless (there's that pesky opinion thing again).
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 14:05:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:33:36 (#)
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the scary thing is that the Likud (it's not really Israel, it's just the political party that has come to dominate Israeli politics and become incredibly influential in the US gov -- AIPAC) is using the anti-semitism card so carelessly and in such an obviously manipulative manner that people are getting numb. They're crying wolf.
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AIPAC isn't very influential in the Us govt.
Please don't tell me you believe the BS about it causing the war in Iraq to weaken the middle east so they could abuse Palestinians. Under Likud Israel has pulled completely out of Gaza and forcibly moved their own jewish settlers.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:47:17 EDT (#)
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Rob, the reason so many people seem (are if you like) like giant tits, (mmmm giant tits) and aren't bothering to refute his points is that it doesn't make any difference. He simply will not acknowledge anything that shows him wrong, up to and including refusing to accept the laws of thermodynamics, and accusing Indoninja of being employed by the usa government to slander his arguments and generally disturb the discussion of 11/9 on the web.
He refuses to accept he has been proven wrong ever.
Watch.
ETS/Brad/Vengeance/whatever you'd like me to call you....you did a post claiming that there was going to be a quote "energy crisis" you claimed that when oil ran out we would not be able to produce enough electricity and as some sort of consequence to this.
I said that we can get plenty of energy by filtering uranium from seawater, as one example of the huge number of sources of energy available.
Sources...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=uranium+from+seawater&spell=1
There are lots here, just google the phrase uranium from seawater.
You said you would respond to my point about this several weeks ago. You haven't.
Now admit you are wrong. No ifs or buts or wriggling or changing the subject. Just one review saying yes I was completely wrong, there will be no energy crisis.
If you do I will leave Ubersite forever.
That is, using your definition of forever, i.e 9 days.
Submitted by Molari (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:38:13 EDT (#)
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Excellent post. Though the vast majority of internet users are made up of US/UK/Israel so this may be falling mostly on deaf ears.
But I'll get those empty tapes rdy.
Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:33:36 EDT (#)
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the scary thing is that the Likud (it's not really Israel, it's just the political party that has come to dominate Israeli politics and become incredibly influential in the US gov -- AIPAC) is using the anti-semitism card so carelessly and in such an obviously manipulative manner that people are getting numb. They're crying wolf.
Rightwing nationalism is getting stronger in western Europe, and middle America is just one economic depression away from ditching the Christian Zionism and going back to blaming the "jewish bankers" for everything. If it gets nasty, and Jewish people really are persecuted, say in Eastern Germany/Austria (where there remains a strong nazi skinhead movement), nobody will care because it'll just seem like another excuse to keep/grab power. So sad.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 13:05:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:54:15 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:12:18 (#)
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Forget my countries policies (of which I disagree) and ease at which we stood by yours when they went to war(of which I disagreed). What I don't like to see is someone suggesting that Britain is a cowardly nation who somehow goaded the US into going to war and then slipped out of the side entrance.
That is just plain bullshit.
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This is fucking ridiculous...
If your country is cowardly, it is precisely BECAUSE they are fighting. You need to adjust your definition of courage, if you ask me. A LOT of people do.
Avoiding a fight is more courageous than picking one.
When I said they were "slipping out the side door", what I meant was, you're country is not at the forefront of the operation. You're getting off lightly by getting your American cousins to take the bulk of the criticism and do the bulk of the fighting. You're providing support for something that is mutually beneficial. And yes, you're there to rob the till, so to speak.
BP will be right there with the rest of the corporations pumping the oil out of the ground, and the Bank of England will benefit from the U.S. Federal Reserve living to loan another day by the prolonging of the hegemony of the U.S. dollar.
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Hey Mr. Beano
So let me get this straight: you don't like that someone has allegorically painted your little island as cowards, consistently provides pages of writen material that he considers reference for you to refute and then intelligently defends his position against not only an onslaught of negative pricks that simply don't like him because the think he is fucking nuts- or people like you who without doing the requisite research dismiss what he is saying based ONLY on the way he says it?
Thats kinda sad don't you think?
I don't know about you... but the more I read his links, and watch the movies that get sent out... the more I at least question the possibility of this "radical theory" that there is at least some significant global puppeteering going on.
Now, personally I don't think it as insidious and successful as Mr. Tooth seems to >KNOW< it is (I tend to think things are a little more random than that.) - and I don't think the sky is falling quite as fast as he would suggest it might be... but if you give his arguments and the source material even a fleeting chance- it does contain some pretty compelling elements to suggest there is FAR more going on that us ignorant masses care to know about.
Perhaps someone yelling "WAKE THE FUCK UP!" isn't all that polite... but why don't we pretend it is really more like a gentle nudge and a tactful "you know its really time we started to pay a little more attention to some of the more questionable things that are going on every day that we either dismiss completely, largely ignore or acknowledge but can't be bothered to do anything about"... and then carry on the discussion.
"Wake the fuck up" is just easier... and largely appropriate.
r.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 12:43:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:50:35 (#)
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So, Rob, lemme get this straight.
I'm doing something wrong...
By doing that which this site was made for...
Look, I never said you were doing anything wrong. Just boring and pathetic. You can continue being a child if you feel the urge- it just make you look like a fool and instead of accomplishing your goal of humiliating ETS- you only discredit and marginalize yourself.
"Trying to see the logic, but I really don't, cockfag."
Cockfag?
Are we on the playground here? I tell you that you actions are pathetic, encourage you to reel in your insane grudge because its boring the shit out of me, and you come back with an uncreative fagitty slur?
YAWN.
"To quote John Malkovich, as Teddy KGB (which was one of the most over the top Ruskie accents I've ever heard)
I'll splash the pot, whenever the fuck I want. "
Yes, you have a big giant internet dick. We are all suitably impressed.
"Don't like it?
Oh... Gosh oh golly oh geewillikers and darn.
(That's 50's speak for "oh fucking well, get the fuck over it, mushroom stamp")"
Look, its amusing- at times. But this rampage you have been on is ridiculous and largely ignorant. If you feel the urge to continue splashing the pot- go right ahead. I only care because I think you are an intelligent, affable kid and it pains me to watch you reduce yourself to such a blathering idiot when it comes to the EST fellow. Be objective. Hate him all you want... but just realize that without doing the proper research you just end up looking like a cranky petulant child.
Hooray for you. You win. (I guess.)
r.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:54:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:12:18 (#)
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Forget my countries policies (of which I disagree) and ease at which we stood by yours when they went to war(of which I disagreed). What I don't like to see is someone suggesting that Britain is a cowardly nation who somehow goaded the US into going to war and then slipped out of the side entrance.
That is just plain bullshit.
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This is fucking ridiculous...
If your country is cowardly, it is precisely BECAUSE they are fighting. You need to adjust your definition of courage, if you ask me. A LOT of people do.
Avoiding a fight is more courageous than picking one.
When I said they were "slipping out the side door", what I meant was, you're country is not at the forefront of the operation. You're getting off lightly by getting your American cousins to take the bulk of the criticism and do the bulk of the fighting. You're providing support for something that is mutually beneficial. And yes, you're there to rob the till, so to speak.
BP will be right there with the rest of the corporations pumping the oil out of the ground, and the Bank of England will benefit from the U.S. Federal Reserve living to loan another day by the prolonging of the hegemony of the U.S. dollar.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:12:18 EDT (#)
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I'll tell you this, though...don't go thinking your country is all noble and innocent in all this - just some unfortunate sideline participant. Your country has it's agenda they're not telling you about publicly, just like mine does. It is YOUR job as a conscientious citizen to figure out what that might be and vote accordingly.
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I think I made it quite clear that I wasn't saying that.
My whole rant was about you insunuating that we were some weak minded nation who had run for the exit at the first opportunity.
Forget my countries policies (of which I disagree) and ease at which we stood by yours when they went to war(of which I disagreed). What I don't like to see is someone suggesting that Britain is a cowardly nation who somehow goaded the US into going to war and then slipped out of the side entrance.
That is just plain bullshit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 11:00:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:15:54 (#)
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I'm going to go back and read all the reviews now so apologies if this has already been covered.
That leaves the British... If there were an award for most smug population on the planet, it might well be won by the British people. While maybe not as far left as, say, France, Britain is quick to point out its progressive (i.e. borderline communist) ways, especially to its retarded, gun-slinging, hillbilly cousin across the pond. But 'progressiveness' is not a court plea, so Britain will have to come up with something better to fend off the charges of "inciting a riot", "conspiracy to murder", and "robbery". You see, Britain these days is too pussy to start her own fights. She has to whip her cousin into a fury by telling him, "Hey...did you HEAR what that guy just said about you at the end of the bar!?!? Are you gonna take that shit???"
The cousin then crushes the unsuspecting victim's skull with a bar stool, and in the ensuing confusion, Britain robs the till. As this analogous Bonnie stealthily slips out the side door, her Clyde is taking on the rest of the bar patrons with his bare hands.
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I just do not fucking know where to start with this inaccurate uneducated pile of stinking wet arse residue.
Fuck the fact that you called us smug...that I can take, especially from a thick cunt American (if we are going to generalise) like you.
And there was me thinking that you were educated. I suppose it's like you always say Brad....open you eyes. I've seen you for the little hide away twat that you really are.
How fucking dare you insult a country who has had young men die while fighting some cock arse war that your wanker leaders made up?
As for too pussy to start our own fights?...man I seem to recall you boys didn't complaint when you started a war against the whole fucking world (or at the least an invisible and unidentifiable group of people) and we came running to your aid.
You arrogant cunt.
And if that last paragraph is supposed to suggest that we have slipped out the side door while you continue to bravely fight evil then again...you are a sad excuse of a human being.
I give up...my grammar and spelling is shot to shit and I can't think straight about how best to describe what an insignificant wanksatain I now think you are.
You generalise, you lie and you elude.
Fuck YOU.
(and before you start...not once have I justified war, the fight against terrorism, the US or UK government, Bush or Blair. This is all irrelevant. What I disagree stroingly about is a fuck like you tucked up in your bomb shelter dishing out insults on a cou8ntry that stood by your side rightly or wrongly).
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Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. We're on the same side. You're gonna have to drop your "Britain is great" thing for a second, though, if you want to see what I'm talking about.
You said, "As for too pussy to start our own fights?...man I seem to recall you boys didn't complaint when you started a war against the whole fucking world..."
Actually, yes I did. My country's leaders might not have, but I did personally. I have the ability to separate a person's personal philosophy from that of his home country. Do you?
Did you see below where I told you how the U.S. Federal Reserve is owned by the Bank of England? Your country has more input in matters than one might think, but it's not in the WAY you think. These decisions aren't made by your elected leaders, they're made by the wealthy bankers and industrialists in London.
Your country shouldn't have stood by our side. My country would have been better off if everyone forsook us, especially Britain. Your country would have been better off too. You wouldn't be in this endless war right now, for one. And maybe, without this 'coalition of the willing' crap they used to help sell us this war, the U.S. wouldn't have entered Iraq either.
Guess we'll never know now.
I'll tell you this, though...don't go thinking your country is all noble and innocent in all this - just some unfortunate sideline participant. Your country has it's agenda they're not telling you about publicly, just like mine does. It is YOUR job as a conscientious citizen to figure out what that might be and vote accordingly.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 10:46:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2006-07-17 04:36:54 (#)
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ETS
Not to try to take away your seriousness of this post, but I've got to give you something. I hope it brings a smile (or a screaming nightmare) to you.
You'd hit it, admit it.
Cheers Duder!
http://tinyurl.com/efbdg
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Goddamn Willimina Clinton is hawt!
Jimmina Carter is a hag.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 10:17:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:19:30 (#)
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Rob, Greening is a bit of a prick sometimes, but he is definately not to be blamed for this. He was refuting ETSs points and ETSs replies were insane, personally insulting and to -2 all his posts with alternative accounts. And to threaten to get him fired.
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This is bullshit. Point blame where you want to. I don't give a fuck anymore.
The fact is, Jay started this shit and he does nothing but act like a fucking child on my posts. In the past, it got pretty fucking old and I decided to strike back with equally childish measures. Now, he's just like a gnat I have to swat at from time to time.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:31:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 08:01:55 (#)
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"Really? Then side with Ahmadenijad. Leave the US and see how you like life in Iran. Lets see how good you think he is for his people when you try and speak out against him in Iran."
I've sadi this time and time again....Iran is a democracy, they have elections, you can speak out against the guy if you really want to.
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http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/12/iran11114.htm
Meant to link this one as well.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:30:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:06:32 (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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There are palestinians who've owned land for DECADES and have had israelis take over because it's the "chosen land". These palestinaians have deeds to the land, homes and families there, etc... but they get the land taken away.
So, because the Europeans came over and did this to Native Americans, that makes it okay to do to the Palestinians?
Israel is actively taking over palestinian lands, even when the US/Britian/etc tell them to stop. Sharon was having jews move en masse to palestinian lands, quickly set up camp, and declare "We live here now!".
This displaced a lot of palestinians, obviously.
In 1983, Sharon resigned as Defense Minister after a government commission found him indirectly responsible for the September 1982 massacre of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps by Lebanese Christians. Ariel Sharon said recently he regretted the tragedy of Sabra and Shatila, but asked if he would apologise he replied "To apologise for what?"
Both Israel and Palestine are out of control, both are doing "the wrong thing", but I can see both sides of the coin.
HOWEVER this post is about that shit going on in Lebanon. When Khomeni took all those US hostages back in Carters day, did we just go bomb the fuck out of Iran's public sector (ahem, refugee camps as was done on Saturday in Lebanon)? No we didn't.
Hammas says they kidnapped the Israeli soldiers in order to reclaim some Palestinian hostages. Israels reaction was to bomb the airport in Beirut, close off Lebanons borders, and bomb a REFUGEE camp?
That's a little extreme.
Hammas isn't right for kidnapping soldiers, but Israel SURELY isn't right for their present actions.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:15:54 EDT (#)
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I'm going to go back and read all the reviews now so apologies if this has already been covered.
That leaves the British... If there were an award for most smug population on the planet, it might well be won by the British people. While maybe not as far left as, say, France, Britain is quick to point out its progressive (i.e. borderline communist) ways, especially to its retarded, gun-slinging, hillbilly cousin across the pond. But 'progressiveness' is not a court plea, so Britain will have to come up with something better to fend off the charges of "inciting a riot", "conspiracy to murder", and "robbery". You see, Britain these days is too pussy to start her own fights. She has to whip her cousin into a fury by telling him, "Hey...did you HEAR what that guy just said about you at the end of the bar!?!? Are you gonna take that shit???"
The cousin then crushes the unsuspecting victim's skull with a bar stool, and in the ensuing confusion, Britain robs the till. As this analogous Bonnie stealthily slips out the side door, her Clyde is taking on the rest of the bar patrons with his bare hands.
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I just do not fucking know where to start with this inaccurate uneducated pile of stinking wet arse residue.
Fuck the fact that you called us smug...that I can take, especially from a thick cunt American (if we are going to generalise) like you.
And there was me thinking that you were educated. I suppose it's like you always say Brad....open you eyes. I've seen you for the little hide away twat that you really are.
How fucking dare you insult a country who has had young men die while fighting some cock arse war that your wanker leaders made up?
As for too pussy to start our own fights?...man I seem to recall you boys didn't complaint when you started a war against the whole fucking world (or at the least an invisible and unidentifiable group of people) and we came running to your aid.
You arrogant cunt.
And if that last paragraph is supposed to suggest that we have slipped out the side door while you continue to bravely fight evil then again...you are a sad excuse of a human being.
I give up...my grammar and spelling is shot to shit and I can't think straight about how best to describe what an insignificant wanksatain I now think you are.
You generalise, you lie and you elude.
Fuck YOU.
(and before you start...not once have I justified war, the fight against terrorism, the US or UK government, Bush or Blair. This is all irrelevant. What I disagree stroingly about is a fuck like you tucked up in your bomb shelter dishing out insults on a cou8ntry that stood by your side rightly or wrongly).
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:13:21 EDT (#)
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shite, as usual.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:06:58 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 08:14:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 08:01:55 (#)
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"Really? Then side with Ahmadenijad. Leave the US and see how you like life in Iran. Lets see how good you think he is for his people when you try and speak out against him in Iran."
I've sadi this time and time again....Iran is a democracy, they have elections, you can speak out against the guy if you really want to.
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Really?
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/04/iran0425.htm
Trust me you can say a lot more here than you could there.
Ever meet anyone under 30 from Iran?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 08:01:55 EDT (#)
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"Really? Then side with Ahmadenijad. Leave the US and see how you like life in Iran. Lets see how good you think he is for his people when you try and speak out against him in Iran."
I've sadi this time and time again....Iran is a democracy, they have elections, you can speak out against the guy if you really want to.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-17 07:58:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 19:33:36 (#)
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It is OUR president who is the fucking terrorist. Him and his lackeys planned and executed 9/11 and invaded oil-strategic countries as a result. Not to mention shitting on the Constitution with the Patriot Act, which, by the way, is a 350 page legal document that was supposedly churned out in a mere 45 days. (They had that shit ready. Many of its provisions have been around since the Myrrah building and subsequent terrorist bill Clinton signed in 1995. The draft Congress initially rejected contained many of the exact same language as the Patriot Act.)
You say Ahmadenijad is bad...
I say Bush is FAR worse.
At least Ahmadenijad seems to be standing up for his country instead of murdering, exploiting, and selling his own people down the river like Bush.
FUCK Bush and anyone who sticks up for his ass.
As long as there are idiots still supporting Bush, I'll be happy to side with Ahmadenijad.
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Really? Then side with Ahmadenijad. Leave the US and see how you like life in Iran. Lets see how good you think he is for his people when you try and speak out against him in Iran.
You think the Patriot act is bad but think Ahmadenijad's govt is good? I don't know anyone as full of shit as you.
Seriously if you believed half the shit you spewed what are you still doing here? Is it that you know you are full of shit, or are you too much of a pussy to do anything about it?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:50:35 EDT (#)
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So, Rob, lemme get this straight.
I'm doing something wrong...
By doing that which this site was made for...
Trying to see the logic, but I really don't, cockfag.
To quote John Malkovich, as Teddy KGB (which was one of the most over the top Ruskie accents I've ever heard)
I'll splash the pot, whenever the fuck I want.
Don't like it?
Oh... Gosh oh golly oh geewillikers and darn.
(That's 50's speak for "oh fucking well, get the fuck over it, mushroom stamp")
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:42:06 EDT (#)
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Calm down, Rob, ETS has pissed off a lot of people and deserves everything he gets on Uber.
As for what I'll do when I run the world....I don't know. The Lebanon situation would have been best dealt with by Israel geting the international community to put presure on Lebanon to get the hostages released, by bombing the place they've turned it into a war in which they are the aggresor.
A totally seperate palestinian state needs to be created and Israel not allowed in or to cut off its supplies. But thats easier said than done. A big army on the border not letting anyone from either side move or shoot across it might help. The international community should acknowledge Hamas as a legitimate government and stop putting pressure on Palestine to get rid of a government they chose democratically.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:31:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:15:25 (#)
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Can I ask a questions Ets?
What should the world do then? If you were god of the world what would you make the Us and Israel do?
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SWEET.
Drop the silly "god of the world" part of that is a really good question!
But I don't think that should be limited to just ETS... lets open up that to the floor to all the peeps following along at home.
What are some good plans of action? Anyone?
What would some of you big brained nerds do in this particular situation?
Here is your big chance to shine. JGreening? icarus1987? Or is ya Chicken?
Perhaps you just enjoy shitting on everything?
r.
Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:15:25 EDT (#)
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Can I ask a questions Ets?
What should the world do then? If you were god of the world what would you make the Us and Israel do?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 06:05:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:19:33 (#)
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Rob, I'll be nice to ya.
Fuck off.
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Look, I'll happily fuck off. You mean very little to me.
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If I were "stalking him" trust me, it's be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond this.
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I don't see how. I don't care how. It's boring and pathetic- but if you want to waste your time- go for it.
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What I'm doing, is something people all across this great site do.
See a name, click a link, read the post, and rate.
If you'd care to go back through ETS' posts, you see I don't always -2 him. Shit, I've given him a ton of +2's when I agree, or when he does something entertaining.
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I don't care to no.
So what? -2s +2s? Stop being a child.
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But I do not agree with him politically, and instead of getting into the standard cock-fight he tries to goad people into, I post my little insult, and move along.
Why?
Because no matter what anyone says or does, they will never convince him that he's wrong about anything.
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You don't seem all that malleable either.
Besides, that's a pretty pathetic reason to be such an annoying pest. Like I said- if you want to waste your time on that, go for it. But I have read your conversations. I see your unwillingness to enter into any sort of constructive discourse. It's insulting to the rest of us who have to read your relentless badgering. I don't care about the cocks that he smokes, nor do I give a shit about his questionable sanity- the kid has some valid points and if you would stop being such a beligerant asshole I just be you could be of some use to society.
As of right now yer just acting like a turd.
Oh.. and did you take the time to ask yourself if you actually brought any value to the conversation?
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Like I have said before, I could put a tape explaining my actions in a mailbox to be sent to TV studios across the country, strap a bmb to my ass, walk into the federal courthuse here in Denver and blow the place sky-fucking high, and ETS would still believe that the government had something to do with it.
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Who gives a shit? You call this logic? Its rhetorical. You have this locked down interpretation of this guy and have utterly marginalized anything he has to say. You are being foolish, and if you can't see how ridiculous you are acting than you are not nearly as smart as I give you credit for being. It's ok to think he's a prick. It's ok to think he is wrong. But at least have the intellectual courtesy to know WHY he is wrong and be able to articulate that to the rest of us. Try being honest enough with yourself to actually read what he writes, and actually watch what he links, and THEN make your arguments. Just saying stupid things like "Oh I already know what article means or I'm not wating 15 mins on watching that" and then turn around and constructively dismiss whatever his point might be. Don't be so fucking lazy. Challenge him on his points.
Or don't... you are more than welcome to continue to be a childish prick like all the other kids. I don't really care- I just think you would be more interesting in these conversations if your weren't being such an aggressive ignorant dickhead.
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So why should I argue with him?
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Don't. Not if you don't do your research. Go lurk elsewhere.
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I voice my pleasure/displeasure.
As do many others.
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That's fine. Good for you. It's just weak and pedestrian- but absolutely your right.
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And as I said t begin this.
Fuck off.
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Ok. And if you still disagree with me... a hearty fuck off to you too.
r.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:33:01 EDT (#)
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"They hunted buffalo, took only what they needed, and used EVERY PART of the animal. They worshipped the land itself as something sacred."
"It is arse gravy of the worst kind that the american indians lived in some sort of harmony with nature....the method they used to hunt buffalo....to cause a stampede and drive the entire herd off the cliff...extremely wasteful....idea of them as peace loving, wise...is complete bollocks"
- Sir Steven Fry
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:22:30 EDT (#)
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"I'm talking about the fact that you're not allowed to own firearms and your school systems seem communist. Anytime individuality is suppressed in the name of 'fairness' and 'uniformity', that's communism. Same thing here. Our school systems are growing increasingly communist."
What the flying fuck are you talking about? public education is communist? we suppres individuality? we don't let people have guns? all the most right wing, liberal nations in the world have gun control idiot.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:19:33 EDT (#)
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Rob, I'll be nice to ya.
Fuck off.
If I were "stalking him" trust me, it's be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond this.
What I'm doing, is something people all across this great site do.
See a name, click a link, read the post, and rate.
If you'd care to go back through ETS' posts, you see I don't always -2 him. Shit, I've given him a ton of +2's when I agree, or when he does something entertaining.
But I do not agree with him politically, and instead of getting into the standard cock-fight he tries to goad people into, I post my little insult, and move along.
Why?
Because no matter what anyone says or does, they will never convince him that he's wrong about anything.
Like I have said before, I could put a tape explaining my actions in a mailbox to be sent to TV studios across the country, strap a bmb to my ass, walk into the federal courthuse here in Denver and blow the place sky-fucking high, and ETS would still believe that the government had something to do with it.
So why should I argue with him?
I voice my pleasure/displeasure.
As do many others.
And as I said t begin this.
Fuck off.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:19:30 EDT (#)
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Rob, Greening is a bit of a prick sometimes, but he is definately not to be blamed for this. He was refuting ETSs points and ETSs replies were insane, personally insulting and to -2 all his posts with alternative accounts. And to threaten to get him fired.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:15:44 EDT (#)
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Put it this way...if someone wanted to declare marshall law and take over control of Britain, they'd have about 6 less steps to go through than here...well, that is until the Patriot Act and the Model Health Powers Emergency Act, or whatever it's called. At LEAST they'd still have to take our guns away. They wouldn't even have to do that with you. They'd just round your asses up.
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Who? How? Tony Blair? the queen? Some Army General? Anyone who gives an order like that is going to have it ignored and be promptly sacked.
I don't see how any of your stuff applies to Britain, we're not borderline communist (what? how?), and we certainly didn't go around saying 'have you heard what that guy is saying about you' (where d you even get this stuff from?)
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:13:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:39:13 (#)
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actually ive been saying shit like that as long, if not longer. though i notice once again that you only reply to the shit that doesnt matter. i have you so pegged, and have had you nailed down for months and months and months, while you dont have a fucking clue who i am, or what my thoughts are, because, unlike you, i tend to save that shit for where it matters, which is anywhere but this shitty site.
keep dreaming of that soapbox, big man. one day youll make a change, honest, you will. maybe in the next ad break, or maybe the one after...
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Fuck right off you sanctimonious cunt.
People like you really piss me off. Good for you! You have been saying what he has been saying all along... and what? You are pissed off because he said it in such a way that made you mad?
Boo fucking hoo. Jackass. Get over yourself.
Its sickening that how instead of actually contributing in any positive way to the constructive discourse ETS is trying to establish- you focus your energy on being a malignant, contentious little shithead.
If you are so smart why would you actively impede the discussion that so obviously needs to happen in order to solve the sort of things which you claim to be so aware of?
What do you possibly hope to accomplish by being so miserable and unhelpful and FUCKING DRAINING.
I bet yer actually quite smart. Act like it.
Try to be a little more helpful- and actually participate in some sort of positive manner.... it's much so better for your karma than just being a bitter asshole.
I bet people will even start to like you. Wouldn't friends be nice?
r.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-07-17 05:06:56 EDT (#)
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Jesus ETS you are such a pessimist.
Still, it would be hilarious if ETS got drafted.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-17 04:55:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:42:20 (#)
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Who the fuck is Snare?
Seriously?
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Look, um Mr. Greening.
I gotta step in here buddy. You really need to re-think this whole hate-on you have for this ETS fellow. Its unhealthy. And quite frankly your stalking is getting downright creepy. I think yer a good kid, but stop it already. Yer embarrassing yourself.
I don't know shit about your issues...and quite frankly I don't care. See, as far as I am concerned, if this individual you relentlessly torment DID flip out on you and threaten you bodily harm- I am absolutely convinced that you are at least somewhat responsible for that. From what I have seen you are a complete and utter dickhead to him and revel in this pathetic juvenile badgering that would send even the most stable of individuals up the fucking creek. You piss me off and I'm not even the one facing your wrath. Jesus Christ buddy, lighten the fuck up.
Leave it alone. Take a deep breath. 5 6 7 8....
Dude. I'm telling you. LET. IT. GO.
I can't believe you are seriously handing out this Snare character a lump of shit because he has some words of encouragement for someone he obviously admires.
SERIOUSLY?
That is downright pathetic. I actually read what he had to say- did you even bother reading it or did you just identify that it said something nice about your arch enemy and immediately dismiss it as lies?
Dude, the individual behind the caricature known as "ETS" is an incredibly smart, motivated, informed and passionate individual. So what if he is an acerbic prick sometimes? MOST of the time he has a fantastic point, presents and defends it well... and usually hops around defending multiple topics on multiple posts. It's outstanding. What do you do? You just jump around and regurgitate the same old high school antics and follow him like herpes. I mean really ask yourself if you have added much in the way of value to most of the conversations you pollute with your bile.
I mean, don't get me wrong... when you do contribute- its awesome. I really enjoy what you have to say. I think you're a very conscientious informed individual. Its just that this fight between you two kids is distracting the grown ups from having any sort of intelligent conversation. So fucking stop it.
But you can totally come up here and sit at the big table once you grow up a little.
From now on do try to attack Mr. Tooth on his points. You have written enough humorless diatribes assailing his character, sexual orientation, competency and intelligence... trust me. We all get it. You don't like him. Move on.
Love,
r.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2006-07-17 04:36:54 EDT (#)
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ETS
Not to try to take away your seriousness of this post, but I've got to give you something. I hope it brings a smile (or a screaming nightmare) to you.
You'd hit it, admit it.
Cheers Duder!
http://tinyurl.com/efbdg
Submitted by dasteve (user info) at 2006-07-17 04:35:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:52:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:40:59 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:11:09 (#)
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
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can anyone else imagine how fucked up the sky would look if ETS had to signal his rants?
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Hahahahahahahaha. The fire would go out before he got to the end of 'military industrial complex'
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:42:20 EDT (#)
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Who the fuck is Snare?
Seriously?
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:40:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:11:09 (#)
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
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can anyone else imagine how fucked up the sky would look if ETS had to signal his rants?
Submitted by Snare (user info) at 2006-07-17 02:55:30 EDT (#)
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Keep plugging away at it ETS. One lonely voice against the whole media choir. You're not going to change people's received opinions, the wisdom they picked right off the vox pops on Fox, but that doesn't change the fact that these things you're saying are important. They need to be said. As often and as loudly as possible.
You don't abandon a worthy cause just because it looks hopeless.
Shrug these underinformed, over-opinionated wrestling fans off, and keep going.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-17 02:40:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:04:43 (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:01:01 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 21:49:03 (#)
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I was at work the other day ETS. And I watched at the club as I saw a fat white american guy, dancing his ass off with a Fat black american guy hand and hand. They were bestfriends. In there party group there was a half middle eastern/American(white) girl with them. With an Asian guy in there group all hugging and having fun. All these people were bestfriends. And seeing all there differnt races out there dancing and doing the lameass "you got served" shit. Made me smile.
What other fucking country would you ever see that? What other fucking country? See all those differnt' nationalitys out there in unity, having fun and hugging and drinking with eachother just made me smile. I live in a great country. ETS A great fucking country.
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I appreciate the sentiment and all, but you could go to just about any country with a university and a gay bar and see that sort of thing. I'm sure our British, Australian, and Canadian contingent can back me up on this....much as I'm sure they'll hate to.
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Confirmed for Canada.
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Yep. You can count that as confirmed for Cuba as well.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-17 02:34:04 EDT (#)
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Wait, so this took up 3 days of your time?
What the fuck?
I'm still waiting to see the results of your "Independent Investigation" of 9/11.
I mean, holy shit man, if you personally found out shit about 9/11 that makes you think the Government did it that 7 different engineering firms didn't, well, it must be BOMBSHELL news, you know?
Or should I chalk your "Idependent Investigation" up right alongside your plan to turn the United States into a Utopian Government in the "Well, Brad is talking out of his ass, was backed into a corner, and will now act like it never was spoken of" file?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 01:01:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:07:45 (#)
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theres plenty there for you to respond to, it might just be a little too close to the bone for your fragile ego to deal with. we dont want to have to see you storm off in a huff again, now do we?
this is an earlier comment addressed to you, which i think you saw, but ill put it here for you to read again...
You seem smart, you seem passionate. You state that you want a change, both in your government, and in the way humanity goes about it's existence on this planet. These are worthy ideas and you are a good person for thinking them. However, that is all you're ever going to do, because you don't seem to understand how change is made. The internet, while a powerful tool, is still not THAT powerful, not even close. I mean, for fuck sake, as far as using it to support one's words, my lecturers are leery of anyone using almost anything from the web, and this is in a shitty 'arts' degree, where I can say just about whatever I like. You will never make change through the internet. You will never make change from without. The way you make change is through the system. You work directly with the system until you move into a position where you can directly affect it. Change comes from within. Stop writing your local congressman - angry, bitter old people do that. Don't write him, BE him. Go get some schooling, and go work and live in that field. Go and be someone who is able to make change, not some overly dramatic douchebag who sits in his basement and thinks he is effecting change by arguing with no more than 10 other douchebags (including me) on the internet. Your audience here is not as big as you think, despite what you (or anyone else) may think the hit counter says.
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like i say, ive got you pegged.
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I did see that comment and I responded to it as I recall. I appreciated your words there and acknowledged some of their accuracy. I don't agree with all of it, but I agree with a good deal of it. I think what I basically said then and will say again now is, I'm just trying to make whatever change I can WHERE I can, and the internet is one of those places right now.
When I first came here, I posted a lot of comedy and such that was purely diversionary in nature, but at some stage I just couldn't do that anymore, and it's not for attention and it's not for hits as many of you, including yourself, have stated. I do it because it's what I feel.
I think I have something to say that needs to be said, so I'm doing what I can to fill that void in the debate. I don't hear too many people speaking the things I feel desperately need to be said these days, and that's all I'm trying to do with many of my uber posts.
It's unfortunate you think you have me pegged as an attention whore or a common internet troll out for nothing more than muckraking. I apologise that that's how I come across. I can't do much to help that at this stage. Your opinions have been established at this point.
Think what you must and I'll say what I must.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:52:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:14:07 (#)
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I agree that Israel needs to issue an apology, they have made plenty of mistakes, however, it is hard to negotiate a peace treaty with a terrorist group, they continually make raids at the Israeli's and try to do as much damage as they are capable, I believe that the only way for Palestine and Isreal to coexist is if Hamas lays down its guns and talks to Israel in civilized manner.
Isreal was making plenty of progress in the peace talks for a palestinian state, until this happened. The Palestenians must reign in there own people if peace is going to work. Lebanon is the same way, if the Lebanese get rid of Hezbollah there is an infinitely greater chance of peace.
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Dude, did you not read what I just said? Hamas was elected because when Israel left Gaza, they left it in fucking ruins.
Giving someone the finger as you walk away is NOT a peace plan. That's asking for trouble. Israel is getting exactly what they wanted. If they didn't want war, they wouldn't be striking back like this over 3 soldiers.
"We shall not permit the devil to determine our destiny." - Shimon Peres on Larry King Live tonight speaking of the hostage takers.
Nobel Laureate Shimon Peres founded The Peres Center for Peace in 1996 with the express aim of realizing his vision of a "New Middle East", in which people of the region would work together to build peace through socio-economic cooperation and people-to-people relations.
Does this really sound like the same person?
To make headway toward peace, you have to agree that some measure of understanding of your enemy is forthcoming, no?
I keep hearing all this talk on American news stations about how Iran and Syria are funding Hezbollah, but how much mention did they make about the United States CIA creating, funding, and training Al Qaeda?
This is absolute hypocisy and control of the flow of information to skew public opinion. If you didn't read in a book by an independent investigator about U.S. support in the formative stage of Al Qaeda, you would never have known it. Most people at home listen to these people call the Iranian president a 'nutcase', further enflaming violence, and have no fucking clue how bloody our own boots are from trampling in innocent blood.
This is what I can't stand and will NOT be quiet about as long as there is a breath in me. To keep quiet about it and tow the party line on this would be a betrayal of my own conscience. It's that simple.
If we truly wanted peace, we could have it tomorrow and forever. But we don't. So we won't. We will have the war we want and in the end, it will destroy us.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:51:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:33:41 (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:04:54 (#)
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People like you (ETS) are pathetic in your attempts at moral politics. What will it take for you to see the light. We live in a world where more than half hate us and are willing to destroy us given the chance. You state that we want and need to go to war with Iran. That is not the case. Within ten years Iran will be able to launch a nuclear warhead capable of destroying targets in the US. The same goes with North Korea. You whine and moan about what is being done to the world while hiding blindingly behind your so called morals. You are a fool. Will you see the error of your ways when a bomb is finally dropped on the US? Then you will no doubt whine and moan about how we should have stopped this and why didnt we see it coming. I apologize for the structure of my narrative, I copied it straight from word processor, and rules did not transfer, but do not let that detract from the message it says.
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Ask yourself this... WHY do more and more countries hate us? There must be some kind of legitimate reason for it. You know the phrase, "50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong?" The same sort of applies here. If you're truly a student of history, you will be well aware of the ways in which the west has meddled in world affairs pretty much since people learned how to build ships and sail to foreign shores. As far back as Alexander the Great, Europeans and/or Americans have been storming into the middle east in search of riches in one form or another. The Romans, the British, the Germans, the French, the Americans...we've ALL had a hand in this endless string of wars since the beginning of recorded history.
Look, you have to understand something. What we are told about what's happening with Iran and the realities of what's happening there could very easily be as different as night and day. If the Iraq WMD debacle taught us nothing, it should be our government's willingness to blatantly lie to us to make war.
Our government has had them in the crosshairs since way before the nuclear thing was even a thought, and we're far more threatened by their proposed oil bourse than anything they could or would do with nuclear weapons. Here's what you have to understand about nuclear weapons, they are a DAMPER for war more than they are a provocator. I submit the evidence that no two nuclear powers have EVER, in the 60+ year history of nuclear weapons faced each other directly in war. The reason we hate the idea of a nuclear armed Iran is it would spell an end to the kind of wreckless middle eastern exploitation we've enjoyed for the past century. A nuclear Iran would keep us honest. If Iran was nuclear in 2001, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
The reasons for going to war in Iraq as well as the reaons for going to war with Iran are manifold. Our leaders don't want them challenging dollar hegemony by selling their oil for Euros, they don't want them to be stable, they want to create war so our corporations that make weapons can make money, they want to create political instability to drive up the price of oil and make plundering their oil resources easier, they want to create bases there so they can have a strategic military installation for future campaigns and protect the newly-established oil pipelines.
This all goes back to pure greed. Nothing more, nothing less. The fear of some sort of attack from one of these countries is but an extension of this greed, and works in favor of this greed. Anyone who sells it as anything different is a fucking liar.
Sorry, but that's the way I see it. I see it this way because I have studied a little history. That's really all it takes to see the truth. Look back further than recent memory and examine our activities and it will become clear to you too. But if you want to accept the bullshit our government sells you, then go for it. It won't make you right.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:10:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:07:45 EDT (#)
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theres plenty there for you to respond to, it might just be a little too close to the bone for your fragile ego to deal with. we dont want to have to see you storm off in a huff again, now do we?
this is an earlier comment addressed to you, which i think you saw, but ill put it here for you to read again...
You seem smart, you seem passionate. You state that you want a change, both in your government, and in the way humanity goes about it's existence on this planet. These are worthy ideas and you are a good person for thinking them. However, that is all you're ever going to do, because you don't seem to understand how change is made. The internet, while a powerful tool, is still not THAT powerful, not even close. I mean, for fuck sake, as far as using it to support one's words, my lecturers are leery of anyone using almost anything from the web, and this is in a shitty 'arts' degree, where I can say just about whatever I like. You will never make change through the internet. You will never make change from without. The way you make change is through the system. You work directly with the system until you move into a position where you can directly affect it. Change comes from within. Stop writing your local congressman - angry, bitter old people do that. Don't write him, BE him. Go get some schooling, and go work and live in that field. Go and be someone who is able to make change, not some overly dramatic douchebag who sits in his basement and thinks he is effecting change by arguing with no more than 10 other douchebags (including me) on the internet. Your audience here is not as big as you think, despite what you (or anyone else) may think the hit counter says.
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like i say, ive got you pegged.
Submitted by WingedFoote (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:06:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:02:06 EDT (#)
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People like you are pathetic in your attempts at moral politics. What will it take for you to see the light. We live in a world where more than half hate us and are willing to destroy us given the chance. You state that we want and need to go to war with Iran. That is not the case. Within ten years Iran will be able to launch a nuclear warhead capable of destroying targets in the US. The same goes with North Korea. You whine and moan about what is being done to the world while hiding blindingly behind your so called morals. You are a fool. Will you see the error of your ways when i bomb is final dropped on the US? Then you will no doubt whine and moan about how we should have stopped this and why didnt we see it coming.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:53:50 EDT (#)
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Dude, I don't respond to the rest of your shit because there's nothing there to respond to. You have this idea of me in your mind and that's that. Nothing I can or care to do to change that.
I know this though, there are only a couple of you people who has any idea what kind of person I am. Am I a crazy motherfucker? Maybe. But you certainly wouldn't know.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:39:13 EDT (#)
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actually ive been saying shit like that as long, if not longer. though i notice once again that you only reply to the shit that doesnt matter. i have you so pegged, and have had you nailed down for months and months and months, while you dont have a fucking clue who i am, or what my thoughts are, because, unlike you, i tend to save that shit for where it matters, which is anywhere but this shitty site.
keep dreaming of that soapbox, big man. one day youll make a change, honest, you will. maybe in the next ad break, or maybe the one after...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:29:55 EDT (#)
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PS: learn to use the goddamn shift key. I'm sick of trying to figure out where your sentences begin and end.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:27:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:14:31 (#)
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you really need to get out of the basement a bit more, ets. Cabin fever is not a good thing.
as for my empty soul, oh well i guess ill just have to make do with my oversoul. dont you know theres such a thing? hahahahahahahaha. meanwhile, YOU can sit in your mothers house and pretend like youre doing any more than i am to fix the world.
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Get a new angle you fucking parrot. I don't live with my mother. I have my own place and my own job.
You can't even formulate your own goddamn comebacks. You have to rely on shit Caul, Indo, and Wardy have said.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:24:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:50:59 (#)
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Dude man, there is a difference between hostages and prisoners.
That is why this comparison is totally useless, and I feel little to no pity.
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Not if they're legal prisoners with the same legal rights as anyone else. I know this is not the case in Guantanamo, and I can only guess about Israel. I'm sure that's what the ambassador meant when he said the word "illegal", which, by the way, was not refuted or even addressed by the Israeli guest.
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you really need to get out of the basement a bit more, ets. Cabin fever is not a good thing.
as for my empty soul, oh well i guess ill just have to make do with my oversoul. dont you know theres such a thing? hahahahahahahaha. meanwhile, YOU can sit in your mothers house and pretend like youre doing any more than i am to fix the world. your problem is you think youre some kind of seminal thinker, a real leader, out there on the cuttign edge of philosophy, but sadly, youre about 40 years too late. you do as little as i do, im just not delusional like you. and if i gave a fuck about anything, i can assure you id be doing a lot more than posting about it on uber, you ineffectual little amoeba. you give just as little of a fuck about the world and its contents as i do. all you really care about is SOUNDING like you give a fuck. you read a book, a newspaper article and a website or two and think youre informed. your 'world vision' as you so grandiosely put it, has nothing but you in it - you on a great big soapbox, surrounded by gaping-mouthed sycophants, desperate to hear your every wise proclamation. you dont want change, you jsut want attention.
youre a moron. keep making your judgements about countries youll never go to,it just makes you look even more clueless than you already do.
one day youre going to kill yourself. noone will care.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:00:00 EDT (#)
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You know, if you ever find that door out of the basement.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:59:17 EDT (#)
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Jesus fucking christ, just leave the country if you hate it so much.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:50:59 EDT (#)
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Dude man, there is a difference between hostages and prisoners.
That is why this comparison is totally useless, and I feel little to no pity.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:40:15 EDT (#)
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9:26 PM CST
CNN
Anderson Cooper 360
The Syrian ambassador to the United States comes on the show and points out that Israel holds thousands of Lebanese civilians illegally, yet the international community doesn't bat an eye. "It's as if they are subhuman," he said.
The Israeli representative comes on right afterward and is asked what are his thoughts on what the Syrian ambassador said.
"This is all the fault of Israel. I'm sure that's the Syrian position."
He then goes on to point to the UN G-8 Summit and the resolutions made there as a back up for his argument, saying there is international concensus supporting Israeli actions.
What I think is missing here is the point the Syrian ambassador was trying to make which is precisely that the 'international community' doesn't give a fuck about atrocities against Islamic people. They do not decry the disproportionate reaction of Israel and they don't recognize Islamic retaliations to injustice as anything but 'terrorism', while the Israeli reactions are justified 'acts of war'.
I'm not supporting or saying we should tolerate violence by either side, but I cannot help but see the Syrian ambassador's point here. He's not condoning the activities of Hezbollah any more than I am, but he is pointing out the hypocisy of condoning Israel's actions, which include the illegal imprisonment of thousands of Lebanese people, and condemning the actions of Hezbollah and Palestinian fighters.
What should have happened was, the 'international community' should have grown some fucking balls and asked Israel what it was doing with all those prisoners. The same could be said of prisoners in Guantanamo.
This is madness, people. We can't build peace like this. We can't have double standards. Unfortunately, that's about all I see.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:19:15 EDT (#)
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In fact, many people (i.e. the UN) would call Canada the most multicultural place in the world.
And we do it without the racism that a lot of people associate with the US.
Submitted by wingester1 (user info) at 2006-07-16 22:08:50 EDT (#)
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shutup dickhead!
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I was at work the other day ETS. And I watched at the club as I saw a fat white american guy, dancing his ass off with a Fat black american guy hand and hand. They were bestfriends. In there party group there was a half middle eastern/American(white) girl with them. With an Asian guy in there group all hugging and having fun. All these people were bestfriends. And seeing all there differnt races out there dancing and doing the lameass "you got served" shit. Made me smile.
What other fucking country would you ever see that? What other fucking country? See all those differnt' nationalitys out there in unity, having fun and hugging and drinking with eachother just made me smile. I live in a great country. ETS A great fucking country.
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I appreciate the sentiment and all, but you could go to just about any country with a university and a gay bar and see that sort of thing. I'm sure our British, Australian, and Canadian contingent can back me up on this....much as I'm sure they'll hate to.
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I was at work the other day ETS. And I watched at the club as I saw a fat white american guy, dancing his ass off with a Fat black american guy hand and hand. They were bestfriends. In there party group there was a half middle eastern/American(white) girl with them. With an Asian guy in there group all hugging and having fun. All these people were bestfriends. And seeing all there differnt races out there dancing and doing the lameass "you got served" shit. Made me smile.
What other fucking country would you ever see that? What other fucking country? See all those differnt' nationalitys out there in unity, having fun and hugging and drinking with eachother just made me smile. I live in a great country. ETS A great fucking country.
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I appreciate the sentiment and all, but you could go to just about any country with a university and a gay bar and see that sort of thing. I'm sure our British, Australian, and Canadian contingent can back me up on this....much as I'm sure they'll hate to.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 21:58:37 EDT (#)
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Perkman:
That was about the most vacuous and ignorant display of blind nationalism, not to mention grammar, I've ever seen in my life. Comraderie shouldn't stop at the U.S. border. All those people you described as having fun and living it up do so at the expense of others - others who we kill and/or keep in a state of utter poverty so we can more easily manipulate and rob them. In the same breath you readily admit this, you reject it as a reason to stop. That, my friend, is what I call convenient rationalization.
If that makes you happy, then I pity you.
Most of you will just write that statement off as typical ETS arrogance...whatever...but what the fuck else am I supposed to say to that? Congratulations?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 21:49:03 EDT (#)
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I was at work the other day ETS. And I watched at the club as I saw a fat white american guy, dancing his ass off with a Fat black american guy hand and hand. They were bestfriends. In there party group there was a half middle eastern/American(white) girl with them. With an Asian guy in there group all hugging and having fun. All these people were bestfriends. And seeing all there differnt races out there dancing and doing the lameass "you got served" shit. Made me smile.
What other fucking country would you ever see that? What other fucking country? See all those differnt' nationalitys out there in unity, having fun and hugging and drinking with eachother just made me smile. I live in a great country. ETS A great fucking country.
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I appreciate the sentiment and all, but you could go to just about any country with a university and a gay bar and see that sort of thing. I'm sure our British, Australian, and Canadian contingent can back me up on this....much as I'm sure they'll hate to.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-16 21:14:06 EDT (#)
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ETS- This attacking of our nation by you is justified I guess.
But really, fuck you.
I'm american, and I love the way my country is. I like the way it has been since I was born and grew up. You are rooting for the underdog(middle eastern countries, etc... korea etc..) but you benefited your entire life by being born here in America. You have reaped the benefit's of little african nations starving, and dieing for diamonds. You, even though you didn't wish to have reaped the rewards of a country made by the backs of others.
I know I have. Just for me to sit in my nice house and type this I know that there is a little starving african, or brazillion, or turkerian(? what the fuck you call them?) dying in a land mine from some old war that no one remembers. Getting there fingers smashed and arms cut off so that some rich bitch can wear her diamond ear rings.
I understand this. And I realized a long time ago that I benefited from this. Even though I didn't wish nore want little kids to die and all that shit. The point is we need fucking Oil. Iraq had it and they were being run by a sociopath. He was going to change the oil prices to Euro's and try and fuck us. So we fucked him first.
Really, ETS you have to understand that people are all fucking animals. We only care about those who pertain to us. We hear all the time that there are people getting killed in Sudan, or else even soldiers getting killed in Iraq and to tell the truth the majority don't really give a shit.
They give an "awwwww that's bad' response and that is it. NO ONE REALLY CARES UNTIL IT IS WITHIN THERE CLOSE CIRCLE OF FRIENDS OR FAMILY AND THAT"S THE TRUTH!!!.
I was at work the other day ETS. And I watched at the club as I saw a fat white american guy, dancing his ass off with a Fat black american guy hand and hand. They were bestfriends. In there party group there was a half middle eastern/American(white) girl with them. With an Asian guy in there group all hugging and having fun. All these people were bestfriends. And seeing all there differnt races out there dancing and doing the lameass "you got served" shit. Made me smile.
What other fucking country would you ever see that? What other fucking country? See all those differnt' nationalitys out there in unity, having fun and hugging and drinking with eachother just made me smile. I live in a great country. ETS A great fucking country.
We aren't perfect by any means. We have problems. But by far our problems are far less than others. You could never see something like that in another country.
I mean young people, free willed, doing what they pleased, Making there life. ETS. that's why were great here. Because you can make your life, be whatever you want to be. As long as you work your ass off.
I know Korea, or Iran, or Iraq is not like that. How do I know? there are little fucking girls, getting asked to commit sucide, or getting stoned to death for likeing a boy to early. Little girl's getting killed for wearing a skirt. A FUCKING SKIRT? because it doesn't agree with the country's religion are you kidding me.
America really is eden, and the rest of the country's you feel are so great, and better than us. Well ETS try and fucking live there. Unlike alot of people I have been out of the country.
I have been to africa, britian, france, Mexico, Canada. (My dad used to travel alot for work). I have seen these places. And tell you the truth I would rather be in america any fucking day of the week.
There is a comaradery you get by growing up and being born "american' it's a feeling I can't explain. it is a culture that I can't even begin to put into words. but you feel it. I felt it when I watched those pack of people in that group at the club,last night. it was great.
ETS- lay the fuck off our country.
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:40:46 (#)
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i dont think you have the slightest fucking clue what britain is like, ets. stop carrying on like you do. you cant own guns in britain, or here and gun violence is so ridiculously less than your country, even when you look at it from a 'per capita' point of view. "oh but the criminals dotn obey the laws, and theyll have guns." yeah, awesome argument, but heres the thing: YOU STILL DONT NEED GUNS. if someone points a gun at you, you do what they say, and let the cops do their job later.
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The guns are to protect ourselves AGAINST the cops, you idiot. Taking guns from civilians is akin to increasing the power of government - a power that will be abused.
As for the rest of your stupid fucking comment...you are a heartless motherfucker. A true product of your times, you know that. Bravo.
What do you want, oh modern man, a fucking medal?
You don't give a fuck about anyone or anything but your goddamn self and you're PROUD of that fact. You are a fucking soulless little bastard who's content to live on the fruits of his ancestors and steal from the coffers of the future so long as it provides for your own personal comfort in the here and now.
You don't have a world vision, you don't give a FUCK about mankind. You have no religion, no faith, no obligations or responsibilities to anyone, and no hope for the future, and again, you're proud of that fact. You're a product of an increasingly secular world, where violence is the norm and is engrained in us from birth as something we should simply accept. We are and have always been taught to accept these things. You worship your fucking video games and your DVDs. You sit in your fucking A/C and condemn honest working people to death with your thoughtless words.
Your brain is as empty as your fucking soul.
Fuck you and the society that created you. I am obliged to let you live in peace, but I can't honestly say I'd piss on you if you were on fire.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:42:58 (#)
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We should never let our hatred of savagery make us savages ourselves.
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Thats about the damn smartest thing I think I ever heard you say
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:42:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:28:36 (#)
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The aboriginal americans maybe didnt have the best lifestyle but they were a sight better off before us white dudes came around.
"Here are some beads and blankets, now fuck off and die of smallpox, this is our land now darkie!"
REAAAAALLLLLL Christian of them, eh?
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No shit.
It seems they bypassed the 'love your neighbor' commandment by labeling them as subhuman savages. Subhuman savages don't qualify as neighbors, after all.
Pretty sad.
We should never let our hatred of savagery make us savages ourselves.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:40:46 EDT (#)
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i dont think you have the slightest fucking clue what britain is like, ets. stop carrying on like you do. you cant own guns in britain, or here and gun violence is so ridiculously less than your country, even when you look at it from a 'per capita' point of view. "oh but the criminals dotn obey the laws, and theyll have guns." yeah, awesome argument, but heres the thing: YOU STILL DONT NEED GUNS. if someone points a gun at you, you do what they say, and let the cops do their job later. if theyre going to kill you with it, then its kind of arbitrary what weapon they use. but of course, if you arent allowed to own a gun, then you cant stroke it and pet it and feel like a real big man who CAN change the world, dammit.
as for educational systems, we here in australia at least, and im pretty certain, britain, dont have major portions of our nations going around BANNING BOOKS, and promoting religious propaganda in place of science.
this is a more interesting post, overall. the reason why: its not bespatterd with shitty links to 'sources', all while declaiming the media, well the parts of it that dont agree with your misguided sentiments. just give us your opinion, and save the bibliographies.
however, im of the opinion that there is no right or wrong, there are only winners and losers. at this point in time we are on the winning side. palestine, syria, lebanon (especially fuckin lebanon) iran, all those countries can suck my left nut. i dont give a fuck what the heebs do to them. and i dont see why you should either.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:40:00 EDT (#)
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>>Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 19:33:36 (#)
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Is there a tactful way to say "duh"? I've read more than that, I've interviewed more than that, and I STILL wouldn't call myself a fucking expert. Just more informed than you'll probably ever be.
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Damn! And you say *I* have the ego problem...
Well, tell me, Mr. Journalist, where I can find some of your writings on the subject so as to more completely inform myself. Link me.
Don't just SAY you've done it; show me where.<<
Again with the assumptions. Did I say published? Did I say 'works available online?' I've interviewed, as in for a term paper, not one of your ridiculous little e-zines. I also said I'm not an expert; just more informed than the local nutjob.
>>PS: I never said I supported all of Ahmadenijad's statements, but I think holding the cartoon contest was one way of making his political statement in concrete terms. He's saying, "look at your hypocisy". It's pretty obvious satire if you ask me, but beyond that, I think he's done some things that deserve some measure of respect.<<
It's an exercize in creative writing, really; invent and/or color facts to justify these extremist positions you paint yourselves into. You'd be the next Dan Brown if you were only well informed or convincing.
And no, it wasn't a statement against the west or colonialism or anything romantic. His own citizens admit it was a reactionary response to the Danish cartoonist who committed the horrible blasphemy of creating a graphic representation of Mohammed.
By holding the contest, he was posturing to win the support of the Arab hard-liners by aligning himself against their traditional enemy; the Israeli Jews. Not that the cartoonist was Jewish, mind you, let alone Israeli, but as you've proven many times, fundamentalists are not the most critical thinkers.
>>You say Ahmadenijad is bad...
I say Bush is FAR worse.
At least Ahmadenijad seems to be standing up for his country instead of murdering, exploiting, and selling his own people down the river like Bush.
FUCK Bush and anyone who sticks up for his ass.<<
[Golf clap]
Beautiful soundbite. Very emotionally charged. Sort of stupid, considering I don't support Bush, but you're better at making assumptions and stereotypes than you ever were at making sense sense.
Fuck it, you know what? Don't even bother responding. I used to think your ignorance was accidental. Lately I've come to realize it's on purpose.
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:28:36 (#)
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The aboriginal americans maybe didnt have the best lifestyle but they were a sight better off before us white dudes came around.
"Here are some beads and blankets, now fuck off and die of smallpox, this is our land now darkie!"
REAAAAALLLLLL Christian of them, eh?
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I'm not saying whitey was great, but I'm a realist: I am very comfortable with our Western way of life. People around the world aren't trying to copy it because it sucks.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:28:36 EDT (#)
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The aboriginal americans maybe didnt have the best lifestyle but they were a sight better off before us white dudes came around.
"Here are some beads and blankets, now fuck off and die of smallpox, this is our land now darkie!"
REAAAAALLLLLL Christian of them, eh?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 20:24:14 EDT (#)
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Are you fucking serious? Have you seen a Native Reserve in Canada?
Or you could live like they did before the Europeans, but have fun dying from diseases we've already cured by the age of 35.
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It's not the length of life, but the quality that matters.
And yes, of course I meant before the white man came, although knowing what I know now, I might have just let them all starve to death. That would be a tough choice.
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
I'd rather live like they lived than in this plastic bubble we've created here. """
i think mommy might have something to say about that.
get your own house then the grand gesture might work.
imbecile.
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Are you fucking serious? Have you seen a Native Reserve in Canada?
Or you could live like they did before the Europeans, but have fun dying from diseases we've already cured by the age of 35.
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
I'd rather live like they lived than in this plastic bubble we've created here. """
i think mommy might have something to say about that.
get your own house then the grand gesture might work.
imbecile.
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-16 19:05:19 (#)
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>>I've read the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Have you?<<
Is there a tactful way to say "duh"? I've read more than that, I've interviewed more than that, and I STILL wouldn't call myself a fucking expert. Just more informed than you'll probably ever be.
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Damn! And you say *I* have the ego problem...
Well, tell me, Mr. Journalist, where I can find some of your writings on the subject so as to more completely inform myself. Link me.
Don't just SAY you've done it; show me where.
PS: I never said I supported all of Ahmadenijad's statements, but I think holding the cartoon contest was one way of making his political statement in concrete terms. He's saying, "look at your hypocisy". It's pretty obvious satire if you ask me, but beyond that, I think he's done some things that deserve some measure of respect.
He's standing up to the neo-colonialism of the United States and their endless thirst for oil. Most country's just roll over and take it in the ass by Uncle Sam.
He sent a letter to Bush offering to meet and talk about things in a civilized manner instead of huring insults through the media. This offer was ridiculed by the Bush administration. Basically it was laughed at and disregarded as a political move. We have labeled this country's democratic government as part of an 'Axis of Evil' and even when said government extends what might be an olive branch, they are dismissed. This is not right. I don't care who you are, if your enemy wants to talk things through, whether you see it as a political move or not, I don't see what talking could hurt. Actually, I do...
I'll tell you why Bush wasn't interested in talking...because there's nothing to talk about. Talking would ease the price of oil. That's the last thing Bush wants. He's put there and paid to RAISE the price, not lower it. He's there for the sole purpose of causing problems, not fixing them.
It is OUR president who is the fucking terrorist. Him and his lackeys planned and executed 9/11 and invaded oil-strategic countries as a result. Not to mention shitting on the Constitution with the Patriot Act, which, by the way, is a 350 page legal document that was supposedly churned out in a mere 45 days. (They had that shit ready. Many of its provisions have been around since the Myrrah building and subsequent terrorist bill Clinton signed in 1995. The draft Congress initially rejected contained many of the exact same language as the Patriot Act.)
You say Ahmadenijad is bad...
I say Bush is FAR worse.
At least Ahmadenijad seems to be standing up for his country instead of murdering, exploiting, and selling his own people down the river like Bush.
FUCK Bush and anyone who sticks up for his ass.
As long as there are idiots still supporting Bush, I'll be happy to side with Ahmadenijad.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-16 19:18:14 EDT (#)
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Still the greatest troll on Uber.
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No Comment
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If there's one CONSTANT in these posts it's your ego.
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Why is it my ego? Because I don't try to sound like a driveling baffoon? Because I can formulate complete sentences? Because I don't back down when challenged?
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>>Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:19:54 (#)
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Icarus: All I'm saying is QUESTION what your news reports tell you.<<
What part of the above post encourages me to question the news? I see the complex Arab/Israeli conflict being summed up in a blanket statement that likens the Jews (who inhabitted the land 3k years back) as cat burglars and 'hippy squaters'; I see tired stereotypes regarding British smugness; I see you parroting the exact opposite of what you percieve to be 'popular' views; I see a fucking ton of pomp and pretention, but I don't see any questioning.
>> If there's one constant in all this, it is just that...QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION.<<
If there's one CONSTANT in these posts it's your ego.
That aside, though, the funny thing about questions is that they often lead to answers. Sometimes those answers will be simple and straightforward; two plus two DOES equal four as you say. Other times those, and especially when you involve politics or history, the answers are too complex to be contained in simple terms of good or bad. The Arab/Israeli conflict is just one blatant example.
>>Your government has and will lie through its teeth to get what it wants while disguising its true motives, which almost invariably serve the wealthy and trample the poor.<<
What a pretty soundbite. It's completely irrelevant to everything in your post, but if you read it overly quickly and don't think a terrible amount it makes you sound right.
>>I might be less inclined to side with the Iranians if the west's arguments weren't so full of shit.<<
And Ahmadinejad's backing terrorist attacks and holding an anti-Jew cartoon contest helps you sleep peacefully at night?
>>I've read the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Have you?<<
Is there a tactful way to say "duh"? I've read more than that, I've interviewed more than that, and I STILL wouldn't call myself a fucking expert. Just more informed than you'll probably ever be.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-07-16 18:59:38 EDT (#)
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They have to adapt that mentallity. I'd imagine they would all go insane if they didn't think that everything action they did was righteous and good.
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-16 18:19:24 (#)
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In Nazi Germany, you'd be right there with your fellow jews, helping to herd them into boxcars. You deserve to be executed.
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Is this how all U.S. soldiers think? Or is it just you?
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-16 18:19:24 (#)
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In Nazi Germany, you'd be right there with your fellow jews, helping to herd them into boxcars. You deserve to be executed.
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Posting on uber = herding jews into a boxcar.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-16 18:19:24 EDT (#)
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In Nazi Germany, you'd be right there with your fellow jews, helping to herd them into boxcars. You deserve to be executed.
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:50:28 (#)
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We have that as well on channel 5.
They made a 'documentry' about what would have happened of the Germans had conquered Britain and as the comedian Harry Hill commented "Yeah, well, we can all make stuff up"
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You vould be drinking beer instead of tea, liebchen.
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2006-07-16 18:11:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:50:28 EDT (#)
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We have that as well on channel 5.
They made a 'documentry' about what would have happened of the Germans had conquered Britain and as the comedian Harry Hill commented "Yeah, well, we can all make stuff up"
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:48:58 EDT (#)
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Man, the best part of the History channel is WWII programming. Watching German asses get kicked is something that I can only do on the History channel, and once every four years at the world cup.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:47:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:37:24 (#)
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Where have you been? The History channel has been mostly WWII for years.
Maybe because it's the biggest event in the last several hundred years. . .
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Yea, I didn't mean to say "lately". I've been watching The History Channel for years too and you're right, it's always been that way.
WWII documentaries would be cheap and easy to make since there's so much stock video footage of the events. Go much further back than that and you have to hire actors to create reenactments.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:46:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:37:24 EDT (#)
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Where have you been? The History channel has been mostly WWII for years.
Maybe because it's the biggest event in the last several hundred years. . .
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:28:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:27:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:09:09 (#)
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Yea, but why the hell was Mad Max, of all things, on the HISTORY Channel?
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Dude, have you SEEN Australia? Mad Max isnt a film, its a fuckin documentry!
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This is true... I kept expecting him to crash into that big famous rock in the outback...you know...the one that looks like a brown turtle shell and the Aborigines probably think was the first stone hurled from heaven or something...
My problem is it was set in the FUTURE, yet it's on the HISTORY Channel.
I don't understand that AT ALL.
Taking into account the theme of the film and the running out of the oil, I might surmise that the History Channel's owner, Heart Corp., is trying to scare people into thinking "this could eventually be us". Who the hell knows.
All I know is, I don't fucking trust their programming anymore since I found out they're the same company that owns Popular Mechanics, the magazine that 'debunked' the 9/11 conspiracy theories. These are the people writing our history. Hell, why read about history when you can watch it on TV? Nevermind whether it's an accurate or complete view of history, or whether it's shown through the prism of nationalistic sentiment.
It's interesting to note that most of their programming is about WWII anymore. Why is that? Surely they'd get better ratings if they mixed it up a bit more.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:23:06 EDT (#)
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I HATE Israel
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:19:54 EDT (#)
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Icarus: All I'm saying is QUESTION what your news reports tell you. If there's one constant in all this, it is just that...QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION.
Your government has and will lie through its teeth to get what it wants while disguising its true motives, which almost invariably serve the wealthy and trample the poor.
I might be less inclined to side with the Iranians if the west's arguments weren't so full of shit.
I've read the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Have you?
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:14:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:09:09 (#)
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Yea, but why the hell was Mad Max, of all things, on the HISTORY Channel?
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Dude, have you SEEN Australia? Mad Max isnt a film, its a fuckin documentry!
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:13:23 EDT (#)
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Wow. You know, if I ever wanted to know what stereotypes and blanket statements lurk in the heart of a extremist who gets all his political opinions on other extremist's blogs, rants, and forums, I know I could always go to you.
Honestly, do you believe the Israel/Palestein conflict, let alone the world is that simple?
Do you think the hard-liners in Iran or Syria are Mahatma Gandhi, peacefully standing by while America and its Big Bad Compadres lay the smack down on them?
Screw it, I already know what you're going to say. You're the detective/journalist/crusader of truth, and those of us who think you're nutters are mindless spooks bent on toppling your rise to greatness. You'll always be right, because you never listen to what anyone else is saying.
Rest assured you're not sheeple, Bradley; more of a blind lemming.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:12:35 EDT (#)
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And fuck Indians, man, turning everyone into Vikings is the way to go. In harmony with nature? You got it. Human sacrifice? Check. Raping, pillaging, burning, and more sacrifice? You bet your ass. Equal opportunity for anyone to succeed, as long as you don't mind raping, pillaging, burning, or sacrificing? Oh yeah.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:09:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:37:42 (#)
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"The Road Warrior" was on Spike last night.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:28:24 (#)
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Did anyone else see the movie "Mad Max" last night on the HISTORY CHANNEL?
Or was I just hallucinating?
That crazy Hearst Corporation! What will they think of next!
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Yea, but why the hell was Mad Max, of all things, on the HISTORY Channel?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:06:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ugoat (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:03:51 (#)
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I wonder if you'd still be this self-righteous if you wern't as ignorant.
You are a scary synthesis of a seclusionist ignorant american with a lunatic liberal european.
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That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.
*tears*
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:05:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:06:32 (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
I'd rather live like they lived than in this plastic bubble we've created here.
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HA-HAAA!!!
You fucking TOOL.
You actually by the myth of the 'noble Indian'?
The Indians trashed forests and changed the landscape and raped and murdered and...
Fuck living like the indians. No indoor plumbing.
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Native Americans, like all so-called 'savages' lived in blance with nature. They didn't artificially distort nature using artificial fertilizers in agriculture and growth hormones in livestock.
They hunted buffalo, took only what they needed, and used EVERY PART of the animal. They worshipped the land itself as something sacred.
Sure Native Americans hunted wooly mammoth to extinction, but it can be argued to have been necessary for survival considering the climate at the time. I'm not saying they're perfect. No one is. I'm not saying they were all peace pipes and pow-wows, I'm just saying they were what they were, and it was a simpler and a fuller existence than we have now. I suspect they were happier people than we are now. A more humble and reverent people.
Did they have war? Sure they did. But at least they knew what they were really fighting for when they had them.
They had no real system of ownership. They followed the wild game and other food sources where they led them.
Columbus even had nice things to say about them...before he slaughtered and enslaved them.
Submitted by ugoat (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:03:51 EDT (#)
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I wonder if you'd still be this self-righteous if you wern't as ignorant.
You are a scary synthesis of a seclusionist ignorant american with a lunatic liberal european.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:02:33 EDT (#)
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My point, which you may have missed, is that I would expect heaven and earth to be moved to recover Canadian soldiers. I cannot blame the Israelis for attempts to get them back.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 17:00:17 EDT (#)
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The Lebanese prisoners are prisoners, not hostages.
Hostage taking, especially of soldiers in a country with conscription, is pretty damn cheap.
And I'll have you know, I get my news from multiple sources daily, almost none of which look terribly positively on any of the people you mentioned above. Benefit of living in Canada.
Moreover, I think that Iranian President need a good bombing. Holocaust denial should be punished.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:53:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:41:12 (#)
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I'm sorry, on this one, I have to take sides with Israel.
The way I see it, imagine those were Canadian soldiers, and imagine Ehud Ohlmert is Stephen Harper. What would I expect Harper to do in that situation?
I'd expect it to look pretty similar.
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You've got one side of the story, which is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
Did you know that Israel currently holds about 9000 Lebanese prisoners? Civilians.
Are they 'terrorists'? Sure, Israel might say they are, but are we really sure they're not just saying that?
Who do you believe? The side that lies about WMDs, overthrows foreign governments with a CIA that was started using expatriated Nazi war criminals, and has all the money? Or the side where all the people are basically poor and disheveled?
Everything we know about all this comes from all the sources we are allowed to see...the ones it's ok to see. In fact, it's the ones that are owned by corporations who must please advertisers and bosses who always have an agenda.
Remember that.
Submitted by Chad_Sexington (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:51:44 EDT (#)
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http://stuff.ubersite.com/1153008947560728551/1/thesecondcoming.wmv
WATCH THE VIDEO. It'll explain EVERYTHING.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:49:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:06:32 (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
I'd rather live like they lived than in this plastic bubble we've created here.
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HA-HAAA!!!
You fucking TOOL.
You actually by the myth of the 'noble Indian'?
The Indians trashed forests and changed the landscape and raped and murdered and...
Fuck living like the indians. No indoor plumbing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:45:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:18:31 (#)
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I dont think that would be possible over here. Brits are not like the French, we dont take kindly to protesting and revolution, its simply not in our nature. Similarly we dont like it when our politicians get uppity and they dont tend to last long.
What Im trying to say (badly) is that I cant ever see that happening here, we're too damn obstinate
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I don't mean to narrow my arguments down to one thing here, but this is the jist of it...
The MINUTE you allow yourself to think "it can't happen to me", or "that couldn't happen here", that's the minute it DOES happen, which is EXACTLY what I'm saying and why I called your country (perhaps unfairly) smug.
Dude, do you think dictators come to power only in 'revolutions'??? No, they come to power in response to some greater threat to national security...some common enemy or boogyman.
You seem so sure that it can't happen to you, yet your leaders followed us to Iraq, did they not? They sell you all the same shit we're forced to buy here only in a different way, and you can knock guns all you want, but in the end, they are the equalizer. As far as I'm concerned, (if you've been following the U.S. Congress over the past 6 years, you'll see it too), our ownership of firearms is one of the last things that stand in the way of a system wherein a president could seize absolute control over the country and start rounding people up into concentration camps because they are either "terrorists" or "potentially infectious".
The first amendment and the fourth amendments have been trampeled by and under both Clinton and Bush.
The problem is, to carry the attitude that "it can't happen to me" means you don't understand that your media is constantly being spun and you're ceasing to ask questions - placing trust in your government. That's the problem with America... People are too busy waving their flags and proclaiming this the greatest nation on earth, they forget to question their leaders. They figure politicians are always corrupt and there's nothing you can do about it.
Remember this...to the German people of 1933, Hitler was one of the 'good guys'. He wasn't "revolting", he was "securing the nation".
Patriot Act
Homeland Security
Model States Emergency Powers Act
Continuity of Government
Presidential Decision Directive 25
The list goes on and on in this country...
How 'bout yours?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:45:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CrazyHorse (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:42:06 (#)
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Fucking moronic, self-important, holier than thou, diluted, simpleton coward.
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Diluted?
Submitted by CrazyHorse (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:42:06 EDT (#)
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Fucking moronic, self-important, holier than thou, diluted, simpleton coward.
Why don't you write another bullshit essay on this -2
huh fuckstick?
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:41:12 EDT (#)
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I'm sorry, on this one, I have to take sides with Israel.
The way I see it, imagine those were Canadian soldiers, and imagine Ehud Ohlmert is Stephen Harper. What would I expect Harper to do in that situation?
I'd expect it to look pretty similar.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:37:42 EDT (#)
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"The Road Warrior" was on Spike last night.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:28:24 EDT (#)
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Did anyone else see the movie "Mad Max" last night on the HISTORY CHANNEL?
Or was I just hallucinating?
That crazy Hearst Corporation! What will they think of next!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:24:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:50 (#)
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Another point I disagree on is you claiming that Britain is somehow responsible for whipping America into some kind of war-frenzy. The US started the badly named "War on Terror" not the UK.
Our recent political spats with Argentina over the Falklands and the almost inevitable replacement of Britains Tritend nuclear arsenal also point to a country that is more than willing to take on its share of the badly thought out micro-massacres that seem to have punctuated the last 3 decades.
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If you don't think Britain is responsible for the "War on Terror" in equal or greater part than the U.S., you need to study up on who owns what in the western world.
Study up on the connections between the Bank of England and our American Federal Reserve, which basically controls the rise and fall of the American dollar.
Here's a place to start: http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:21:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:16:14 (#)
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It's not free for us workers dude. Just because you don't have to pay at time of treatment does not mean that somebody is not paying for it somewhere. Of course it's miles ahead of the american healthcare system, but to say it's free is a little bit misleading.
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Fair enough. Its not free per se but the fact that my particular treatment would have been unaffordable to my family without having an NHS means that it is practiclly free, from a certain viewpoint.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:18:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:07:35 (#)
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I'm gonna ramble here...
That's not what I mean. I'm not talking about your healthcare services.
I'm talking about the fact that you're not allowed to own firearms
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I count that as a GOOD thing. Look at the nutjobs in your own country who own guns yet shouldnt have been let anywhere near them.
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and your school systems seem communist. Anytime individuality is suppressed in the name of 'fairness' and 'uniformity', that's communism. Same thing here. Our school systems are growing increasingly communist.
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In part that is unfortunatly true and is growing more so. Its doesnt seem fair to me that my degree, which I have had to work my ASS off for, is equel to my sisters degree, a pissy English never-tuen-up-and-still-pass degree
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You support a royal family out of nationalistic sentiment.
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True in England, not in the rest of the UK. Besides which, Britain generates more from royalty tourism than we spend on them. Id still rather give them a nice wall to stand against and a last cigarette,
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Ask anyone if the BBC is a reliable source of information and they'll say "sure" without even thinking much about it. While the BBC SEEMS more fair than any American media outlet, the perceived fairness is merely a biproduct of their reporting being more calculated. They are dealing with a different kind of citizenry than in America, for instance.
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Again partly true and becoming more true as time goes by. For example only last week a BBC documentry team swathed a car in England flags and parked it in a part of Glasgow and when it got wrecked they blamed "Anti-english sentiment"
They neglected to inform us that they parked it in one of the most deprived parts of Glasgow where ANY parked car is gonna get fucked up.
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Put it this way...if someone wanted to declare marshall law and take over control of Britain, they'd have about 6 less steps to go through than here...well, that is until the Patriot Act and the Model Health Powers Emergency Act, or whatever it's called. At LEAST they'd still have to take our guns away. They wouldn't even have to do that with you. They'd just round your asses up.
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I dont think that would be possible over here. Brits are not like the French, we dont take kindly to protesting and revolution, its simply not in our nature. Similarly we dont like it when our politicians get uppity and they dont tend to last long.
What Im trying to say (badly) is that I cant ever see that happening here, we're too damn obstinate
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:50 (#)
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..I would argue that having a free health service...
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It's not free for us workers dude. Just because you don't have to pay at time of treatment does not mean that somebody is not paying for it somewhere. Of course it's miles ahead of the american healthcare system, but to say it's free is a little bit misleading.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:13:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:01:25 (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel.
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I have to bring this up. Libel is defaming someone through the use of the written word.
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See, this is why I'm not a lawyer.
I assumed it was connected to a common root with 'liability'. Anyway, you get the idea.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:11:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:06:32 (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
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No, but I'd gladly give up my house right now if they'd let me become one of them.
I'd rather live like they lived than in this plastic bubble we've created here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:07:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:50 (#)
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Where I disagree is your belief that Britain is somehow borderline communist (your words, not mine)
While I agree that British law can be rather wishy-washy I would argue that having a free health service hardly makes us communists, just willing to help those who cannot help themselves.
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I'm gonna ramble here...
That's not what I mean. I'm not talking about your healthcare services.
I'm talking about the fact that you're not allowed to own firearms and your school systems seem communist. Anytime individuality is suppressed in the name of 'fairness' and 'uniformity', that's communism. Same thing here. Our school systems are growing increasingly communist.
You support a royal family out of nationalistic sentiment.
Ask anyone if the BBC is a reliable source of information and they'll say "sure" without even thinking much about it. While the BBC SEEMS more fair than any American media outlet, the perceived fairness is merely a biproduct of their reporting being more calculated. They are dealing with a different kind of citizenry than in America, for instance.
Put it this way...if someone wanted to declare marshall law and take over control of Britain, they'd have about 6 less steps to go through than here...well, that is until the Patriot Act and the Model Health Powers Emergency Act, or whatever it's called. At LEAST they'd still have to take our guns away. They wouldn't even have to do that with you. They'd just round your asses up.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:06:32 EDT (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel. Or they are like a group of hippie trespassers, squatting on the farmer's land...
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So you'll be vacating your house or apartment and letting a Native American live there?
Let me know how that goes.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-16 16:01:25 EDT (#)
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The Israelis are like the home intruder who trips on the garden hose and twists his ankle, or cuts his hand on the window he's just broken and sues the home owner for libel.
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I have to bring this up. Libel is defaming someone through the use of the written word.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:45:45 EDT (#)
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I used to be disgusted, then I was amused, now I grow ever increasingly concerned.
*packs totes for day-long trip to rifle range - practice, practice, practice, they say...*
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:45:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:08 (#)
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"If there were an award for most smug population on the planet, it might well be won by the British people."
We're not smug - we're just better than you. The sooner you and your hillbilly ilk come to recognise this fact, the less painfull it will be for everyone concerned.
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Also that.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:50 EDT (#)
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For the most part I agree.
Th US,UK and Israel are all guilty of "you attack us, we'll fuck you up" while all to often ignoring a situation where they are obviously in the wrong.
For too long now, the western international community has looked over to Israel and went "Tut tut, we really wish you wouldnt do that" then sitting on its collective hands.
Dont get me wrong, Im no supporter of the completly insane Palastinian response either, frankly I think the world would be a better place if NEITHER country existed.
Where I disagree is your belief that Britain is somehow borderline communist (your words, not mine)
While I agree that British law can be rather wishy-washy I would argue that having a free health service hardly makes us communists, just willing to help those who cannot help themselves.
Things are FAR from communist in this country, the rich-poor divide is greater than ever.
Another point I disagree on is you claiming that Britain is somehow responsible for whipping America into some kind of war-frenzy. The US started the badly named "War on Terror" not the UK.
Our recent political spats with Argentina over the Falklands and the almost inevitable replacement of Britains Tritend nuclear arsenal also point to a country that is more than willing to take on its share of the badly thought out micro-massacres that seem to have punctuated the last 3 decades.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:44:08 EDT (#)
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"If there were an award for most smug population on the planet, it might well be won by the British people."
We're not smug - we're just better than you. The sooner you and your hillbilly ilk come to recognise this fact, the less painfull it will be for everyone concerned.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:43:07 EDT (#)
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Extremism is the only way to elicit a response out of anyone. Moderation has no place on Ubersite, much less an ETS post.
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:42:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:38:44 (#)
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Why do you have to be such an extremist?
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Why do you have to be such an extremist?
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-16 15:35:46 EDT (#)
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I've never heard THIS argument before. Nor have I made the exact same argument before.
Just kidding. Yes I have. I like it when you post conspiracy theories, then we can argue with you. It's the nature of man to shift blame and guilt; obviously, you now know what the rest of us have known since shortly after birth. You should also know that the ones in power are the ones who are right, until someone else comes to power. Then they become right, and previous atrocities are forgotten with time.