Why Israel's and the US's position sucks (512 hits)
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Submitted by nyxmar (View user info) at 2006-07-16 23:05:14 EDT
Why are countries like France and Russia so quick to label Israel's counterattack as disproportionate? Many countries have been attacked due to far less insults than the abduction of its soldiers. At this point in time Israel has no choice but to fight a two front war. Their so called overreaction is a foolish notion. The point of the matter is that Israel does not have a choice. They are a country surrounded by hostile and mostly terrorist regimes that would like nothing better than to destroy them. They must react strongly, they cannot afford the luxury of appearing weak in the face of dangerous enemies such as Iran and Syria. Israel must make it known that will not suffer these attacks without severe retribution. I ask a simple question, what would France do if it was surrounded by enemies and they continually tried to invade and insult the borders of their land. World War 2 showed that it was more reasonable to surrender than to fight. Israel cannot afford this suggestion. America understands this about Israel's situation and we stand by our allies. Fighting against a terrorist group is hard as we have learned, in the end you must show that you are willing to strike ruthlessly at them.
America is considered a interfering force in the Middle East. As if the Middle East was a peaceful place to live before American influence. If we as Americans are so interfering in the world stage, then why are we called upon to help everyone. Whenever there is a war, or a disaster, or a downtrodden people, we are asked for help. Scratch that, help is expected and demanded. As a people we like to help the world, we want the world to become a better place. Our problem is that we feel our way is the best and therefore it should be adopted by everyone. American Policy is never perfect, we destroy so much in the hopes that rebuilding will make the world a better place. Is this arrogant? Extremely, but do we have a choice? I don't think so. We have been put in this place by the other countries of the world. We are expected to change and save the world, and that is a foolish cause. In the end only the people of their respective countries can change anything. Until that is possible nothing will change.
Countries that are run by terrorist will always be hostile. They force part of the population into submission. In turn this creates a population that is waiting for their chance at revenge and will take it any moment. This does nothing to help the overall population of a country that lives in terror of what will happen. Getting rid of terrorism is a hard and crappy job. Mistakes will have been made, and will continue to be made. Less mistakes would be made if the entire world would help in eradicating it all together, instead of worrying about trade partners and oil. As long countries continue this shortsidedness about economy we will never be rid of terrorism. This is seen by China. China doesnt want strict sanctions against North Korea because they are a great trading partners and enjoy a lucrative agreement. This focus on short term economy will cause an even greater escalation than we see now. But no worries, America will be there to help you rebuild.
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Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:11:48 EDT (#)
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Damn you Emmanuel Goldstein, when will Oceania be free from your terrorist threats!
Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-07-17 20:43:01 EDT (#)
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Way to completely miss the point you fucking cockgobbler.
Submitted by greEn_uGly (user info) at 2006-07-17 12:47:51 EDT (#)
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aawwww....poor poor israel, poor poor US
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:12:06 EDT (#)
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DURKHA, DURKHA, DURKHA!
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2006-07-17 09:02:30 EDT (#)
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I hope someone pushes those raelis into the ocean
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2006-07-17 08:59:14 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-07-17 07:26:31 EDT (#)
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Thanks for the info, General Jackass.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-17 04:32:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:14:07 (#)
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I agree that Israel needs to issue an apology, they have made plenty of mistakes, however, it is hard to negotiate a peace treaty with a terrorist group, they continually make raids at the Israeli's and try to do as much damage as they are capable, I believe that the only way for Palestine and Isreal to coexist is if Hamas lays down its guns and talks to Israel in civilized manner.
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You realise that the Hamas military is the Palestinian Army now right? You think the Israelis are gonna put down their weapons too?
Submitted by Happily_Agnostic (user info) at 2006-07-17 03:29:44 EDT (#)
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Fair enough
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-07-17 02:07:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 01:23:38 EDT (#)
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Your argument doesn't hold water because first of all, Iran is not a 'terrorist' government. If they wanted to start a war in the name of Allah for the hell of it, they already have an army. They could just as easily strike with that. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, they are an Islamic nation, you don't see them getting trigger happy. Some might argue that it's because there is a U.S. friendly leader in power in Pakistan, but this is a confusion of cause and effect. The leader of Pakistan is less U.S. friendly as the U.S. is now Pakistan-friendly. Get it?
Being a nuclear power means that, for better or worse, you get a seat at the table with the big boys.
Hezbollah is not in power in Lebanon, and I'm sure they do care if more Lebanese civilians are harmed. Misguided as they may be, even if they were in power and had nukes, they would know that to use them against Israel would mean their own destruction and the destruction of their people.
Nuclear bombs are a double-edged sword.
You wanna examine some real crazies at work, look at what the Bush administration wanted to do with nuclear bunker busters. You wanna talk insane...there's your madman right there.
Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:52:59 EDT (#)
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Okay, first off, I don't buy into the bullshit that the government spoonfeeds the populace everday. My arguement comes fanatical beliefs of the people in power. Nuclear weapons have been a damper up till now. America has had locks and controls on its nuclear arsenal, we could see eye to eye with the russians on our nuclear policy. The middle east is a whole different story. Terrorist regimes are completely different than legitimate governments. Legitimate governments do what they can to help the general populace. Terrorists do not care about these things. Hezbollah doesnt care that the people of Lebanon are suffering, they think they have struck a mighty blow against there enemy. This is sad especially because they dont have to be enemies at all. What do we do when a terrorist government is in control of nuclear warhead and they want to strike a blow against the Evil US in the name of Allah. Our governments fucked up right now, we have slimy businessmen, ruthless gainsayers, and comedic idiots in charge of one of the most volatile points in history.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:46:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:14:07 (#)
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I agree that Israel needs to issue an apology, they have made plenty of mistakes, however, it is hard to negotiate a peace treaty with a terrorist group, they continually make raids at the Israeli's and try to do as much damage as they are capable, I believe that the only way for Palestine and Isreal to coexist is if Hamas lays down its guns and talks to Israel in civilized manner.
Isreal was making plenty of progress in the peace talks for a palestinian state, until this happened. The Palestenians must reign in there own people if peace is going to work. Lebanon is the same way, if the Lebanese get rid of Hezbollah there is an infinitely greater chance of peace.
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Dude, did you not read what I just said? Hamas was elected because when Israel left Gaza, they left it in fucking ruins.
Giving someone the finger as you walk away is NOT a peace plan. That's asking for trouble. Israel is getting exactly what they wanted. If they didn't want war, they wouldn't be striking back like this over 3 soldiers.
"We shall not permit the devil to determine our destiny." - Shimon Peres on Larry King Live tonight speaking of the hostage takers.
Nobel Laureate Shimon Peres founded The Peres Center for Peace in 1996 with the express aim of realizing his vision of a "New Middle East", in which people of the region would work together to build peace through socio-economic cooperation and people-to-people relations.
Does this really sound like the same person?
To make headway toward peace, you have to agree that some measure of understanding of your enemy is forthcoming, no?
I keep hearing all this talk on American news stations about how Iran and Syria are funding Hezbollah, but how much mention did they make about the United States CIA creating, funding, and training Al Qaeda?
This is absolute hypocisy and control of the flow of information to skew public opinion. If you didn't read in a book by an independent investigator about U.S. support in the formative stage of Al Qaeda, you would never have known it. Most people at home listen to these people call the Iranian president a 'nutcase', further enflaming violence, and have no fucking clue how bloody our own boots are from trampling in innocent blood.
This is what I can't stand and will NOT be quiet about as long as there is a breath in me. To keep quiet about it and tow the party line on this would be a betrayal of my own conscience. It's that simple.
If we truly wanted peace, we could have it tomorrow and forever. But we don't. So we won't. We will have the war we want and in the end, it will destroy us.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:33:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:04:54 (#)
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People like you (ETS) are pathetic in your attempts at moral politics. What will it take for you to see the light. We live in a world where more than half hate us and are willing to destroy us given the chance. You state that we want and need to go to war with Iran. That is not the case. Within ten years Iran will be able to launch a nuclear warhead capable of destroying targets in the US. The same goes with North Korea. You whine and moan about what is being done to the world while hiding blindingly behind your so called morals. You are a fool. Will you see the error of your ways when a bomb is finally dropped on the US? Then you will no doubt whine and moan about how we should have stopped this and why didnt we see it coming. I apologize for the structure of my narrative, I copied it straight from word processor, and rules did not transfer, but do not let that detract from the message it says.
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Ask yourself this... WHY do more and more countries hate us? There must be some kind of legitimate reason for it. You know the phrase, "50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong?" The same sort of applies here. If you're truly a student of history, you will be well aware of the ways in which the west has meddled in world affairs pretty much since people learned how to build ships and sail to foreign shores. As far back as Alexander the Great, Europeans and/or Americans have been storming into the middle east in search of riches in one form or another. The Romans, the British, the Germans, the French, the Americans...we've ALL had a hand in this endless string of wars since the beginning of recorded history.
Look, you have to understand something. What we are told about what's happening with Iran and the realities of what's happening there could very easily be as different as night and day. If the Iraq WMD debacle taught us nothing, it should be our government's willingness to blatantly lie to us to make war.
Our government has had them in the crosshairs since way before the nuclear thing was even a thought, and we're far more threatened by their proposed oil bourse than anything they could or would do with nuclear weapons. Here's what you have to understand about nuclear weapons, they are a DAMPER for war more than they are a provocator. I submit the evidence that no two nuclear powers have EVER, in the 60+ year history of nuclear weapons faced each other directly in war. The reason we hate the idea of a nuclear armed Iran is it would spell an end to the kind of wreckless middle eastern exploitation we've enjoyed for the past century. A nuclear Iran would keep us honest. If Iran was nuclear in 2001, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
The reasons for going to war in Iraq as well as the reaons for going to war with Iran are manifold. Our leaders don't want them challenging dollar hegemony by selling their oil for Euros, they don't want them to be stable, they want to create war so our corporations that make weapons can make money, they want to create political instability to drive up the price of oil and make plundering their oil resources easier, they want to create bases there so they can have a strategic military installation for future campaigns and protect the newly-established oil pipelines.
This all goes back to pure greed. Nothing more, nothing less. The fear of some sort of attack from one of these countries is but an extension of this greed, and works in favor of this greed. Anyone who sells it as anything different is a fucking liar.
Sorry, but that's the way I see it. I see it this way because I have studied a little history. That's really all it takes to see the truth. Look back further than recent memory and examine our activities and it will become clear to you too. But if you want to accept the bullshit our government sells you, then go for it. It won't make you right.
Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:14:07 EDT (#)
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I agree that Israel needs to issue an apology, they have made plenty of mistakes, however, it is hard to negotiate a peace treaty with a terrorist group, they continually make raids at the Israeli's and try to do as much damage as they are capable, I believe that the only way for Palestine and Isreal to coexist is if Hamas lays down its guns and talks to Israel in civilized manner.
Isreal was making plenty of progress in the peace talks for a palestinian state, until this happened. The Palestenians must reign in there own people if peace is going to work. Lebanon is the same way, if the Lebanese get rid of Hezbollah there is an infinitely greater chance of peace.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:06:04 EDT (#)
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Israel's response should be to help the Palestinians build a nation, release any political prisoners they might be holding, build their wall if they feel they need to, and resume peace talks with Muslim leaders in a cordial and compromising spirit.
Break bread with them. Sing with them. Dance with them. Do whatever it takes to ensure that the killing stops once and for all. Strive to become more religiously tolerant, and realize that hate begets hate and violence begets violence.
They need to understand why some Muslims might think they don't have a right to exist as a nation. They suppressed the Palestinian nation for so long, they have sins of their own to ask forgiveness for and atone for.
I have a feeling that a simple APOLOGY would go a long way. Stubborn bravado gets you nowhere. A heartfelt apology and concerted effort to help Palestine establish itself and offer them help would be a good place to start.
Instead, what does Israel do when it pulls out of Gaza? They tear everything down out of spite. They destroy the infrastructure and basically ensure the Palestinians will continue to be impoverished and disheveled.
What kind of policy is that, anyway? Israel also needs to understand that a few crazy people don't always speak for an entire nation. All you're doing by striking back is enflaming the other side to agree with the attackers and create more problems in the future.
It's madness.
Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:04:54 EDT (#)
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People like you (ETS) are pathetic in your attempts at moral politics. What will it take for you to see the light. We live in a world where more than half hate us and are willing to destroy us given the chance. You state that we want and need to go to war with Iran. That is not the case. Within ten years Iran will be able to launch a nuclear warhead capable of destroying targets in the US. The same goes with North Korea. You whine and moan about what is being done to the world while hiding blindingly behind your so called morals. You are a fool. Will you see the error of your ways when a bomb is finally dropped on the US? Then you will no doubt whine and moan about how we should have stopped this and why didnt we see it coming. I apologize for the structure of my narrative, I copied it straight from word processor, and rules did not transfer, but do not let that detract from the message it says.
Submitted by the_yello_dello (user info) at 2006-07-17 00:02:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nyxmar (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:53:56 EDT (#)
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ETS, in your political genius opinion, what should Israel's response be?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:40:39 EDT (#)
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Whatever.
Thanks for repeating the official American position to me AGAIN as if I haven't heard it 50 times this week.
"Israel has no choice."
Give me a break.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:28:18 EDT (#)
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Learn how to use the enter key, dumbshit.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2006-07-16 23:17:57 EDT (#)
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*Sigh*
Submitted by ChristPuncher <Cr3do2000> at 2003-09-26 15:40:37 (#)
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God damn you, you illiterate Jackass
Don't you know what a paragraph is.
I mean, a constant block of crap not only hurts the eyes, it angers the soul.
You sir, are a jackass for not formatting this thing you obviously spent at least 15 minutes on.
What would the pope say if he read it, he would most likely condemn you to hell on account that you do not know what a paragraph is, and type poorly
YOU ARE WORSE THAN HITLER