Pictures From Lebanon and Gaza (Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums) (6199 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-07-18 00:52:50 EDT
If a picture is worth a thousand words, what are a thousand pictures worth?
If there is a Christian bone in your body, you will be saddened and sickened by the photographs below. After viewing some of these pictures, it's not difficult to guess how and why the Muslim world might see no other option than to become 'extremists'. From extreme times come extreme measures.
Please guys, I'm begging you, begging myself, let's stop living our lives away in our confort bubble while unwittingly supporting this shit or simply denying it. Join me in condemning this massacre. Turn off your Hannity and Combs. Turn off your Larry King Live. Turn off your Scarborough Country, and your Anderson Cooper, and your Bill O'Reilly; open your eyes and witness reality.
PLEASE contact your senators or congressmen and tell them to put pressure on the White House to demand Israel stop bombing innocent civilians. Demand our leaders speak out with one unified voice against this violence. All Bush can manage to say at the moment is "Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorism." Sure, he says Israel should exercise "restraint", but where, my friends, in the photographs below do YOU see "restraint"?
They are bombing civilians. Children. Wives. Husbands. Sons. Daughters. These are people, not cattle. They are human beings, for Christ's sake! We have bullshit debates in this America about the moral repugnancy of stem cell research when this sort of thing is going on? Has the world gone completely mad?
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The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-01 12:34:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-08-01 07:27:36 (#)
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"The British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) has admitted that many of the victims of Israeli retaliation in Lebanon are terrorists and not innocent civilians. A BBC reporter said he saw Hizbullah terrorists using a private home and added, "It is difficult to quantify who is a terrorist and who is a civilian." "
http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=108122
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That is an israeli news website, so obviously it would say that :D
ETS add me to msn or send me an email
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Make an uber reference in the subject or I will think you're spam.
Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-08-01 07:27:36 EDT (#)
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"The British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) has admitted that many of the victims of Israeli retaliation in Lebanon are terrorists and not innocent civilians. A BBC reporter said he saw Hizbullah terrorists using a private home and added, "It is difficult to quantify who is a terrorist and who is a civilian." "
http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=108122
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That is an israeli news website, so obviously it would say that :D
ETS add me to msn or send me an email
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I want to talk to you
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 07:08:49 EDT (#)
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Go ahead and google it, because you probably won't believe m3e, but some australian smuggled out some pictures of hezebullah fighters in the middle of a suburb with a rocket launcher.
This shit happens all the time the only thing different here is that the reporter had the balls to take pictures of it.
Check out, "The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy"
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-24 08:48:07 EDT (#)
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"The British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) has admitted that many of the victims of Israeli retaliation in Lebanon are terrorists and not innocent civilians. A BBC reporter said he saw Hizbullah terrorists using a private home and added, "It is difficult to quantify who is a terrorist and who is a civilian." "
http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=108122
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-23 16:59:11 EDT (#)
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OOH ALL THE LONELY PEOPLE EMPTY ROOMS
AND ALL THE POINTLESS VIOLENCE SILENT TOMBS
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-23 06:29:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-07-21 07:33:22 (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 00:26:13 (#)
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Oh, and...
STILL WAITING ON YOUR RESULTS FROM YOUR INDEPENDENT 9-11 INVESTIGATION, BRAD LINZY!
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The suspense is killing me.
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Me as well.
I mean, if he has info that seven seperate elite engineering firms don't, well, he must be Superman or Jesus or soemthing.
Submitted by Dash (user info) at 2006-07-22 14:55:21 EDT (#)
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Those pictures give me a hard on. Can't wait til more come out so the arabs can see what their actions provoke.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:39:21 EDT (#)
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Adam: I said a gazillion times in the reviews.
Hit the "Go" button after you get the error and they'll display. Either that, or go to the source site, which is somewhere below.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:11:31 EDT (#)
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-1 Broken links:(
-1 Making me use an emoticon
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:26:07 EDT (#)
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i wonder if his position in all this is just a sham. just a god awful way about getting on the mva, you know? at this point, i'd believe it for sure...
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-21 12:45:32 EDT (#)
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I love how ETS just ignores any facts that openly debunk his conspiracy theory mythos.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-07-21 07:33:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 00:26:13 (#)
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Oh, and...
STILL WAITING ON YOUR RESULTS FROM YOUR INDEPENDENT 9-11 INVESTIGATION, BRAD LINZY!
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The suspense is killing me.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 00:26:13 EDT (#)
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Oh, and...
STILL WAITING ON YOUR RESULTS FROM YOUR INDEPENDENT 9-11 INVESTIGATION, BRAD LINZY!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 00:26:06 EDT (#)
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I have to ALMOST agree with Ax, there.
You give liberals a real bad name, Brad.
Even though you keep claiming that you're a centrist because you believe in the 2nd amendment or whatever BS you have.
But the funny thing is, ultra-liberals also support gunowner-rights, you forgot that.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-20 20:59:04 EDT (#)
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Turn off your Hannity and Combs. Turn off your Larry King Live. Turn off your Scarborough Country, and your Anderson Cooper, and your Bill O'Reilly; open your eyes and witness reality.
TURN OFF YOUR MIND RELAX AND FLOAT DOWNSTREAM
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-20 20:28:36 EDT (#)
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You seriously make me want to support Bush, just to not be on the same side as you. You make the rest of us look bad...
I really don't know what to say. More level-headed people have repeated all the points I know, so I just drop a -2 on whatever you post and walk away.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-20 20:26:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-07-20 17:53:07 (#)
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twice.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-20 17:52:36 (#)
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Nice idea but your rhythms are fucking off...plus you're never anything but a fucking dick to me, so why should I do anything but return the favor? What incentive have I but to -2 everything I see by you?
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Sorry for hurting your feelings, bitch. Was my complaint that the pictures weren't working too much for your LSD-enshrouded mind to handle?
By all means, -2 my posts, perhaps you will bring my rating down by .00001. Get your head out of middle school mentality, and act like a man.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-20 19:09:07 EDT (#)
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*sigh*
Really now, people.
You're just giving him what he wants.
Attention.
He's a whore for it.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-07-20 18:54:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-07-20 17:53:07 (#)
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twice.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-20 17:52:36 (#)
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Nice idea but your rhythms are fucking off...plus you're never anything but a fucking dick to me, so why should I do anything but return the favor? What incentive have I but to -2 everything I see by you? """
you are by far the biggest loser on here and by gum there is a lot of competition.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-20 17:43:17 EDT (#)
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TO GET THE PICTURES TO WORK:
Hit your "Go" button in your browser when you get that error and they should come right up. Otherwise, go here: http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-20 15:42:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-20 14:24:36 EDT (#)
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Make a nigga horny like 2 Live Crew!
Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-20 13:02:16 EDT (#)
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Ezekiel 25:17
Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-20 13:00:44 EDT (#)
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oh and -2 for you ETS.
10 WAR,
20 HAH!
30 What is it good for?
40 Absolutely Nahhthing!
50 Say it again now!
60 Jump(10);
Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-20 12:58:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-20 07:26:36 (#)
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Please don't respond to my comments if you have no idea what is going on in the world.
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AH HAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't know how many times I have thought this at parties when everyone who heard 5 minutes of news that day wants to discuss something with 50 year history.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-20 11:26:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 19:46:25 (#)
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I realize Palestine is in a tough position. I don't think Israel's hands are clean, I know they have killed more palestenians then vice-versa. But no country in the world would tolerate attacks like they do without similiar or stronger responses.
Anyone who doesn't think that Israel hasn't been trying for peace doesn't know what is going on there. What has Hamas done? Won the election and refused to recognize Israel. They had a chance to reform and make peace, but they don't want it. They don't want peace, they don't want freedom, they want to destroy Israel.
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Fucking A indo, I think you summed up the argument better than I ever could have.
Submitted by hot_pocket (user info) at 2006-07-20 07:31:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-20 07:26:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-20 04:53:07 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/89718#2067093
See this is why I try not to respond to your comments,
'Said bombing Lebanon is bad because he had a nice vacation there'
That is complete crap, total loose stool water. Even a retard who misunderstood everything anybody ever said, could not have misunderstood what I said in a way that caused them to think I'd said that. Stop talking bollocks.
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We were discussing lebanon, wildcat posed the question which country would you rather live in.
You responded with "I had a nice holiday".
What the fuck were you saying?
Pretty much any third world country is nice to visit if you have enough money. Cuba is nice to visit and nobody is going to argue it is a great place to live.
Your comment was fucking retarted.
As was your comment about Iranian democracy, and freedom to speak out against the Govt.
Please don't respond to my comments if you have no idea what is going on in the world.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 19:46:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:24:54 (#)
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terrorist attacks?
Hamas is pretty much the dictionary definition of freedom fighters, you want to say they're terrorists cos they use terror, thats fine, but as long as you call the USA terrorists as well. And Israel.
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Really?
Do freedom fighters applaud their suicide bombers that blow up food stands and kill nothing but civilians?
Do freedom fighters vow to wipe a group of people off of the face of the earth?
Do freedom fighters use sniper attacks to fire on unarmed women who randomly drive by.
I realize Palestine is in a tough position. I don't think Israel's hands are clean, I know they have killed more palestenians then vice-versa. But no country in the world would tolerate attacks like they do without similiar or stronger responses.
Anyone who doesn't think that Israel hasn't been trying for peace doesn't know what is going on there. What has Hamas done? Won the election and refused to recognize Israel. They had a chance to reform and make peace, but they don't want it. They don't want peace, they don't want freedom, they want to destroy Israel.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:52:25 EDT (#)
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Wardy, I know, my only 1000+ hit post are either ones with a NSFW or the one with the title 'BobLoblas Girlfriends Pussy'
I guess I am not political enough...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:50:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jade_digitalmedia (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:42:26 (#)
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"break the cycle and fight hatred with kindness and compassion"
My good friend is from Lebanon and now I'm housing her cousins, a young family with two small children.
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Good for you. Show them there is still love and brotherhood in the world. Without that, we are ALL doomed.
Submitted by jade_digitalmedia (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:42:26 EDT (#)
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"break the cycle and fight hatred with kindness and compassion"
My good friend is from Lebanon and now I'm housing her cousins, a young family with two small children.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:41:15 EDT (#)
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bob -- woe is me... i think i've broken a thousand hits on maybe six posts...
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:34:42 EDT (#)
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wardy --> (2864 hits)
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:33:58 EDT (#)
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what exactly was the point of this post?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:26:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:00:32 (#)
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Indon, your ignorance is scary.
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This from the guy who says that Iran is a democracy where you can speak out against the Govt.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/90538#2062374
From the guy who thinks bombing Lebannon bad because he had a nice vacation there.
I take being called ignorant a compliment from you.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:54:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:57:09 (#)
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Now the Zionists and Dispensationalists come out of the woodwork.
This is amusing. It's like a fucking black line down the middle of the world...you'd almost think something had designed it to be this way wouldn't you?
There's a reason I've been quoting Revelations lately.
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Would you just drink the poison kool-aid and get it the fuck over with?
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:52:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:07:09 (#)
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>>What should we have expected? Considering the history of the region BEFORE 1929 going back thousands of years, why should we expect anything less than destabilization of the region by this immigration.<<
Thousands of years, Bradley? What are you saying, the Arabs were justified in killing Jews because of the "plague of locusts" and "parting the red sea" precedents? I don't think either will hold up in a court of law.
>>It was supported by the west and nurtured by the west because it offered them an ally and a foothold in the GOLDMINE that is the middle east. That alliance has continued to this day.<<
And the Arabs haven't benefited in any way from this gold mine? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
>>I'm not saying the Jews deserved more heartache and death either. It's terrible what they went through in Germany, but goddammit man, go somewhere a little more welcoming and start over.<<
A.) Bradley, it would really help your argument if you stopped making yourself look like an idiot. The Jews established themselves in Israel in around 1200 BC. The Muslims didn't even take the land from the Byzantines until 600 AD, but they did help to evict what few Jews hadn't been expelled by the Romans, Greeks, Assyrians, or Byzantines. As the Jews originally owned the territory, your suggestion is ridiculous. Why don't the Palestinians just pick up their stuff and move out?
B.) Racial segregation? You're rapidly devolving into a skinhead. I imagine you'll be single-celled before the week's out.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 15:02:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:39:56 (#)
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oh, and i still can't get over how you gave this a negative rating: http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:57:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:46:25 (#)
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That's what they get for going against Israel.
How about some photos of the havoc caused by suicide bombers in Israel?
How about some photos of the Hezballa tortures or terrorist activities?
"Israel has a right to defend herself." Dubya.
God said that Israel shall not be defeated. The sooner the middle east understands that, the sooner everything will be copastetic.
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Now the Zionists and Dispensationalists come out of the woodwork.
This is amusing. It's like a fucking black line down the middle of the world...you'd almost think something had designed it to be this way wouldn't you?
There's a reason I've been quoting Revelations lately.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:48:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:12:27 (#)
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ETS, nice ad hominem fallacy you are using to attack my view.
The fact is, your views in THIS post are completely ignorant of the rhetoric of hamas & hezbollah and the fact they will NEVER, repeat..NEVER, allow Israel to exist. Lebanon is a weak country unable to reign in control of hezbollah, which is obviously financed and supplied by Iran through neighboring Syria.
Most wackjob conspiracy theorists are very, very anti-jewish folks. You are no different than the rest.
Something needs to be done, and I'm glad some country has the god damn guts to do it. I think they should carpet bomb the whole southern part of the country back to the stone age.
If there is no dealing with your enemies because they refuse to deal, they must be eliminated. It is war, it is ugly, but it must be done.
I laugh in the world's misery over Israel's attacks. Fuck em' all, and fuck you too.
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Fallacy??? So you didn't say all those things about niggers and call for a genocide of the Arab people?
How about these comments:
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-26 20:45:13 (#)
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I just remembered when North Korea blew up a South Korean jet and killed a shitload of people... That was referred to as "state sponsored terrorism" by the US state department on their list of countries that support terrorism.
But I guess now Israel can hold the people in the government responsible the next time a terrorist bomb goes off and launch a major attack.
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-26 20:42:27 (#)
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Jacobt26, actually I'd agree to nuclear destruction all over the middle east. That takes care of both of them.
I'm not too worried about Iran having nukes, because I really believe they'll use them against Israel and the response is going to be kick ass. Like sit on the couch with several 2 liters cooling in the fridge and a Costco purchased bulk-size box of microwave popcorn kind of kick ass.
But I don't think it will ever get to that because Israel is not going to let it.
AIDS will get rid of most of Africa (or keep them living in the stone age).
Then the only problem we got is how to get rid of all the beaners. I think they'll be the ones winding up taking over the world.
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-01-26 20:27:02 (#)
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Whatever the arguement, Hamas should recognize Israel and move the fuck on. All the jews fled Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc...ALL Arab countries and more... after 1948 (the creation of Israel) and even more after other events (fall of the shah)... So displacing X number of palestinians is comparable to the number of Jews that had to flee under less than wonderful circumstances. The 'rabs should be happy they are all in their little country rather than still spread out throught the whole middle east like they were.
Here is my idea of a peace process: Ok, shit was messed up when we created Israel but... there ain't no going back now, they are there to STAY. Don't like it? BOMB THE HELL OUT OF ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT REFUSE TO FACE THIS REALITY.
Next: The "occupied lands". Israel should return ownership of the land back to the Palestinians to create their homeland. If not, end all aid/military support going to them and let them ride out the future 100% on their own with an economic boycott on top of it.
Last: Palestianians create their new country and the second they want the rest of Israel, bomb them to hell.
I am for one of two things, so I'm not picky...I just want it over. GIVE THE FUCKING LAND BACK, and if you want ALL of Israel then you get NONE...kick every last muslim out of the country by driving them to the border and throwing them over.
This shit needs to end somehow, and if it takes genocide to accomplish it, so be it.
Nice try Stabby, but it seems you've got some things to answer for your fucking self.
Submitted by FatTony (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:46:25 EDT (#)
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That's what they get for going against Israel.
How about some photos of the havoc caused by suicide bombers in Israel?
How about some photos of the Hezballa tortures or terrorist activities?
"Israel has a right to defend herself." Dubya.
God said that Israel shall not be defeated. The sooner the middle east understands that, the sooner everything will be copastetic.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:39:56 EDT (#)
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oh, and i still can't get over how you gave this a negative rating: http://www.ubersite.com/m/63564
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:37:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:24:44 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:02:00 (#)
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"And how would you respond to the accusation of army control over embedded journalists? Some have made accusations that the military is controlling the information coming out of Iraq by steering the embedded journalists where they want them to go - showing them what they want them to see, etc.
The REASON journalists might not be reporting in places with bigger problems than the ones being covered right now is because they're simply not allowed to go there, and if they do, are not allowed to take pictures of certain things. Or maybe because, despite all the Orwellian accusations of liberal bias in the media, the right-wing neo-cons at virtually every station don't want these things shown.
Why would the government or the military want MORE bad things shown?
There's something to think about."
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Thats a load of bollocks ETS.
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What's a load of bollocks? The accusations themselves or the fact that I'm calling attention to the accusations?
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you really don't understand journalism, do you ets?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:31:51 EDT (#)
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Stopping Israel from doing stuff in Lebanon sure has brought about peace in the region, eh? Grab a history book instead of constantly checking prisonplanet.com for updates.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:27:18 EDT (#)
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wait, so are you trying to tell us that we should tell our congressmen and women that a war that doesn't involve us is bad?
thanks, i'm sure they'll take that to heart. maybe if you weren't so busy shunning cnn you would've seen wolf blitzer's interview with former sec. of state madeline albright last night. or maybe you would've seen the press conference with snow this morning.
you rock.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:24:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:02:00 (#)
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"And how would you respond to the accusation of army control over embedded journalists? Some have made accusations that the military is controlling the information coming out of Iraq by steering the embedded journalists where they want them to go - showing them what they want them to see, etc.
The REASON journalists might not be reporting in places with bigger problems than the ones being covered right now is because they're simply not allowed to go there, and if they do, are not allowed to take pictures of certain things. Or maybe because, despite all the Orwellian accusations of liberal bias in the media, the right-wing neo-cons at virtually every station don't want these things shown.
Why would the government or the military want MORE bad things shown?
There's something to think about."
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Thats a load of bollocks ETS.
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What's a load of bollocks? The accusations themselves or the fact that I'm calling attention to the accusations?
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:12:27 EDT (#)
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ETS, nice ad hominem fallacy you are using to attack my view.
The fact is, your views in THIS post are completely ignorant of the rhetoric of hamas & hezbollah and the fact they will NEVER, repeat..NEVER, allow Israel to exist. Lebanon is a weak country unable to reign in control of hezbollah, which is obviously financed and supplied by Iran through neighboring Syria.
Most wackjob conspiracy theorists are very, very anti-jewish folks. You are no different than the rest.
Something needs to be done, and I'm glad some country has the god damn guts to do it. I think they should carpet bomb the whole southern part of the country back to the stone age.
If there is no dealing with your enemies because they refuse to deal, they must be eliminated. It is war, it is ugly, but it must be done.
I laugh in the world's misery over Israel's attacks. Fuck em' all, and fuck you too.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:02:00 EDT (#)
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"And how would you respond to the accusation of army control over embedded journalists? Some have made accusations that the military is controlling the information coming out of Iraq by steering the embedded journalists where they want them to go - showing them what they want them to see, etc.
The REASON journalists might not be reporting in places with bigger problems than the ones being covered right now is because they're simply not allowed to go there, and if they do, are not allowed to take pictures of certain things. Or maybe because, despite all the Orwellian accusations of liberal bias in the media, the right-wing neo-cons at virtually every station don't want these things shown.
Why would the government or the military want MORE bad things shown?
There's something to think about."
Thats a load of bollocks ETS.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:00:32 EDT (#)
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Indon, your ignorance is scary.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:58:53 EDT (#)
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Here's some more of Stabkill at his finest...
Happy Nigger Day!: http://www.ubersite.com/m/82400
Can't a Nigger-Lover date a Wigger?: http://www.ubersite.com/m/65107
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:47:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:31:03 (#)
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Your ignorance of the YEARS of bombings of hamas and hezbollah is both ignorant and sickening... much more than these pictures.
Go fuck yourself you anti-semitic asshole.
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I was wondering how long it might take until someone called me a racist to try and distract from my real point.
Interesting, though, that it ends up coming from the same guy who once posted the following:
"ANY of you city-living fucks need to have their skull caved in by a crackhead for being a part of the scum-filled cities of America. Most of these cities are 80+% niggers anyway, so you deserve it. Oh? Crying that I said nigger? Going to call me a racist?
You got that right. I'll take a nigger, nail him to a burning cross and drag him through the streets behind my pickup truck which is flying two 3'x5' confederate flags. After I drag the nigger and leave a shit stain for 10 miles, then I'm going to run him through a wood chipper and leave nigger guts in a box labeled "brach's candy" on your porch.
Calling me a racist is like calling the pope catholic, which reminds me. That fucking devil-worshipping nazi in charge and all of his followers should be transported back to 1945 Nagasaki just in time to see the bright flash of light that takes them on their one way ticket to hell." - Stabill (At his finest)
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:31:03 EDT (#)
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Your ignorance of the YEARS of bombings of hamas and hezbollah is both ignorant and sickening... much more than these pictures.
Go fuck yourself you anti-semitic asshole.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:23:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:57:46 (#)
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You hardly hear about anything bad happening in Basrah, in Nasiriyah, in Mosul, in Kirkuk, in Tikrit, in Samarra, in Najaf.. Why? There is still some amount of unrest, but why is it only Baghdad(and suburbs) and the cities to the west (where I've spent all my time) like Fallujah, Ramadi, Al Qaim, Haditha? There's a reason behind that and the media is not simply "not reporting" problems in the other places, they really are not having as many problems. There's something to think about.
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And how would you respond to the accusation of army control over embedded journalists? Some have made accusations that the military is controlling the information coming out of Iraq by steering the embedded journalists where they want them to go - showing them what they want them to see, etc.
The REASON journalists might not be reporting in places with bigger problems than the ones being covered right now is because they're simply not allowed to go there, and if they do, are not allowed to take pictures of certain things. Or maybe because, despite all the Orwellian accusations of liberal bias in the media, the right-wing neo-cons at virtually every station don't want these things shown.
Why would the government or the military want MORE bad things shown?
There's something to think about.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:07:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:32:03 (#)
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The Arabs have been against the Aliyahs (Jewish imigrations) since day one. You want to talk about the late 40's? Back in 1929, the Arabs threw a fucking hissyfit over Jewish immigration, killing 133 Israelis in the riots.
During the height of the Nazi regime, they were UPSET that the British government only limited the flow of Jewish refugees; they wanted it stopped altogether. So they rioted some more, and they raped, and they killed.
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What should we have expected? Considering the history of the region BEFORE 1929 going back thousands of years, why should we expect anything less than destabilization of the region by this immigration. It was supported by the west and nurtured by the west because it offered them an ally and a foothold in the GOLDMINE that is the middle east. That alliance has continued to this day.
I'm not saying the Jews deserved more heartache and death either. It's terrible what they went through in Germany, but goddammit man, go somewhere a little more welcoming and start over. I had a solution for that: http://www.ubersite.com/m/80682
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 13:03:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:45:03 (#)
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they haven't recognized their neighbors right to exist?
[Not when their elected leaders are named 'Hamas'.]
Yes Israel has fired on residential areas, because Hezebollah has their fucking headquarters in residential areas. They hide in residential areas. They launch attacks from residential area.
[That's NOT a fucking excuse. If that's the case, then go to the UN and appeal for a UN police force to be moved in. Anything is better than bombing the shit out of residential neighborhoods.]
I have never denied it, but the fact remains that Hamas and Hezebollah TARGET residential areas they TERGET civilians, there is a big difference.
Israel is less guilty than Hezbollah or Hamas? Did you read about the Israel civilian citizen they captured in a third country just to trade for troops?
You think Israel has the media? Read about Mohommad Al-Dura. The palestenian boy killed by palestenians, that Israel was dragged through the mud for months for. How many media outlets reported that and how many reported that they were completely innocent?
What about Jenin?
[I don't understand what the hell you're getting at with this part of your argument. The media in Israel is just as much of a joke as the media in America. I don't make it a habit of watching their television, so I'm unaware of that report about the boy. The fact that I didn't even hear about it over here should tell you something. It should tell you that the news story somehow lost legs when crossing the Atlantic. If it was broadcast there, it was undoubtedly out of public outcry, and who could blame a Palestinian for thinking Israelis might be to blame? It's not like it's an outrageous claim.]
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Asking me to prove their prisoners are there illegaly is just stupid, no amount of evidence or facts will sway you, you are too set on them being evil.
They recognize Palestine's right to exist, they just refuse to give any aid or support to a govt lead by a party that has vowed on multiple occasions to wipe every man woman and child off the map.
They were in lebannon in the first place becaus they have been fighting there for about 56 fucking years, the bottom line is they gave the land back, that isn't showing comprimise?
Once again you show you have no clue what you are talking about when you say they are "bombing the shit" out of residential neighborhoods. If that were the case they would be many more deaths. Asking for UN help there is ajoke, they can't stop attacks anywhere. Anyway why call the UN they are still at war with Lebannon. Funny how you can villify Israel for hitting some civilians but have no qualms about Hammas or Hezebollah Targeting civilians.
What do you think UN would do?
You don't get the last part of the argument because you have absolutely no clue of what goes on in that region of the world other than your three day blitz of gooogle video and anti bush website "research". Jenin and al dura made headlines here. Made huge headlines all over the world.
Look up Mohommad Al Dura. Look up the Jenin massacre. Look up hezebollah history of breaking cease fires, of breaking treaties and organizing trades by kidnapping civilians.
Actually learn a tiny bit about the conflict before you slam Israel for how they defend themselves.
Once again if someone broke into your house and killed your child then kidnapped another one and you had a gun to his head would you accept his treaty? Would you accept his treaty if he had done it before and broke that treaty? That is what you are asking of Israel. I don't envy their position, but I challenge the honesty of anyone who says they wouldn't do the same in their shoes.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:57:46 EDT (#)
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ETS: See my http://www.ubersite.com/m/88377 some are good photos, some are bad. But they're what I see.
Hardly ANY news source reports on new jobs being created, on factories, powerplants, and water treatment facilities that had been shut down, or operating at minimal levels for many years. Now finally getting the money, parts, and attention they needed. Haditha dam itself is the 3rd largest hydroelectic plant in the country. Why would that, of all things, be a target? It is, though. Here's some links to Iraqi-based media reporting. http://www.abyznewslinks.com/iraq.htm Many are not in english, however.
I get most of my reporting via classified means, where analysts review the "spin" put on by the media in relation to the known facts.
The people in the cities are better off, yes. The open market and the jobs and the money are flowing in. The people in the farm fields are continuing on the way they have for 5000 years, unfortunately.
It's a war of ideologies and the people who just want to live their lives are caught in between with no means to effect change. You hardly hear about anything bad happening in Basrah, in Nasiriyah, in Mosul, in Kirkuk, in Tikrit, in Samarra, in Najaf.. Why? There is still some amount of unrest, but why is it only Baghdad(and suburbs) and the cities to the west (where I've spent all my time) like Fallujah, Ramadi, Al Qaim, Haditha? There's a reason behind that and the media is not simply "not reporting" problems in the other places, they really are not having as many problems. There's something to think about.
I have been saying it a long time, on many posts, that we're setting up there to stay. That we're going to lease land like we did in the phillipines, and okinawa, that we'll be there for a long time. Strategically it is the best move we could ever make. THAT is why we're there, because it's the best strong point for us to be in. Everywhere else in the middle east is centered around Iraq. Power projection. We can influence everywhere, from there. Who gives a crap about the oil itself? Our partners in the world gather more oil from there than we do, percentage-wise. WE DON'T NEED IT BUT OUR ENEMIES DO.
Anyway, totally unrelated to this post.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:45:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:21:43 (#)
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Israel prisoners are not being heals illegally.
[Prove it.]
Israel isn't accomidating them? they didn't pull completely out of Lebannon?
[Why were they there in the first place?]
They didn't give back Gaza?
[After how long?]
they haven't recognized their neighbors right to exist?
[Not when their elected leaders are named 'Hamas'.]
Yes Israel has fired on residential areas, because Hezebollah has their fucking headquarters in residential areas. They hide in residential areas. They launch attacks from residential area.
[That's NOT a fucking excuse. If that's the case, then go to the UN and appeal for a UN police force to be moved in. Anything is better than bombing the shit out of residential neighborhoods.]
I have never denied it, but the fact remains that Hamas and Hezebollah TARGET residential areas they TERGET civilians, there is a big difference.
Israel is less guilty than Hezbollah or Hamas? Did you read about the Israel civilian citizen they captured in a third country just to trade for troops?
You think Israel has the media? Read about Mohommad Al-Dura. The palestenian boy killed by palestenians, that Israel was dragged through the mud for months for. How many media outlets reported that and how many reported that they were completely innocent?
What about Jenin?
[I don't understand what the hell you're getting at with this part of your argument. The media in Israel is just as much of a joke as the media in America. I don't make it a habit of watching their television, so I'm unaware of that report about the boy. The fact that I didn't even hear about it over here should tell you something. It should tell you that the news story somehow lost legs when crossing the Atlantic. If it was broadcast there, it was undoubtedly out of public outcry, and who could blame a Palestinian for thinking Israelis might be to blame? It's not like it's an outrageous claim.]
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:35:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:33:04 (#)
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Icarus: Hezbollah has been calling for a ceasefire. They want to discuss it.
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Than they can give the Israeli prisoners back and tell their militants to stop blowing themselves up at checkpoints. Until they return the prisoners, and until they put a choke collar on their hard line militants, what do you expect the Israelis to do?
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:32:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:33:48 (#)
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the war in the middle east has been about territory, it always has been, it always will be.
Look at 1948 (?) when the brits pulled out, within hours the war began, and what for? Territory.
Period.
the religious part comes directly from the priests (both muslim and jewish) who claim it is about a holy land.
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The Arabs have been against the Aliyahs (Jewish imigrations) since day one. You want to talk about the late 40's? Back in 1929, the Arabs threw a fucking hissyfit over Jewish immigration, killing 133 Israelis in the riots.
During the height of the Nazi regime, they were UPSET that the British government only limited the flow of Jewish refugees; they wanted it stopped altogether. So they rioted some more, and they raped, and they killed. Now the Brits weren't doing a whole lot to protect the Jewish state they'd created, so what did you expect the Jews to do? Try and talk it out with the angry mobs? No, they formed the Irgun and Haganah and defended themselves, and it's a damned lucky thing they did, because in 1948 Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq joined forces to try and gang rape the nation. Their forces were decimated, of course, but that's beyond the point.
When's the last time you saw an Israeli, unprovoked, strike a civilian target in the name of Moses? That's right, you haven't. They defend themselves, certainly, they even take liberties we may find questionable, but in my opinion they are much more justified, and much less fervent, than the Arab hard-liners, and a lot of Arab moderates at this point will agree.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:30:32 EDT (#)
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http://ia301232.us.archive.org/3/items/dn2006-0719/dn2006-0719-1_64kb.mp3
Today's DemocracyNow.
Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/) is a very good news program that covers stories that mainstream media will not touch or otherwise let die quiet deaths. Very good interviews with knowledgeable and disenfranchised people who may not otherwise have a voice. You can download their shows and listen in MP3 form, or watch streaming videos of their broadcast. The site is updated every weekday.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:21:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:40:52 (#)
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Ok, I want you to understand something right now. I am not in any way, shape, or form afraid of debating with you or any other motherfucker on this website. Let's establish THAT first of all.
Third of all, you're forgetting the fact that Israel had prisoners to exchange in the first fucking place, who were being held illegally, which I've already addressed several times. You're trying to make it sound like Israel is just an innocent bystander in all this, that they are surrounded by enemies who just won't leave them alone no matter how hard they try to 'accomodate them' and 'give in to their demands', this 'cycle of violence' just keeps going because they force them to strike back. If you truly believe this idea, even after seeing Israel fire at RESIDENTIAL areas, that they are not also 'terrorists', that Hezbollah is the terrorist group and Israel is the noble protector of their rightful lands, then you are fucking brainwashed, dude. It really is that simple. The control of information has worked wonders with millions of people JUST LIKE YOU.
But go on and keep trying to obfuscate and befuddle the point, because you don't have an argument based on facts at all. Face it, Israel is just as guilty as Hezbollah or Hamas ever was; they just have the money, the power, the military, the media, and the influence to shape public opinion in the West and you're eating up like it's your fucking breakfast. Not surprising since that's all you ever fucking do when it comes to the government or the military of the U.S. or its allies.
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Israel prisoners are not being heals illegally.
Israel isn't accomidating them? they didn't pull completely out of Lebannon? They didn't give back Gaza? they haven't recognized their neighbors right to exist?
Yes Israel has fired on residential areas, because Hezebollah has their fucking headquarters in residential areas. They hide in residential areas. They launch attacks from residential area. I have never denied it, but the fact remains that Hamas and Hezebollah TARGET residential areas they TERGET civilians, there is a big difference.
Israel is less guilty than Hezbollah or Hamas? Did you read about the Israel civilian citizen they captured in a third country just to trade for troops?
You think Israel has the media? Read about Mohommad Al-Dura. The palestenian boy killed by palestenians, that Israel was dragged through the mud for months for. How many media outlets reported that and how many reported that they were completely innocent?
What about Jenin?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 12:18:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:56:22 (#)
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ETS: I think the IVAW are good people. They're at least being true to themselves by being conscientious objectors.
Macbeth, however, is a pile. I have always taken very seriously the honor of the services and done what I can to reflect it personally. It makes me angry when people slag us as an organization, wrongly. Sure there are bad apples. Sure there are bad things happening there. I don't excuse them in the slightest, and I do wish to see any guilty parties held to the highest standard.
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That's good to hear. I hope you hold to that code and, more importantly, your conscience.
Personally I think you and your fellow soldiers are just being used. Under the banner of "fighting terrorism", these people leading our country right now are not going to stop until they have slaughtered, enslaved, or assimilated the entire region so they can steal that shit under your feet.
"But we're gonna pay them for it," you might say. With what? Dollars that are worthless? Paper, man...paper.
I don't wish you any harm, man, but I can understand the people fighting against you. It's pretty hard to ignore. Look around you and ask yourself if these people are currently better off than they were when Saddam was in power. I'm sure you've done it 1000 times by now, and I know you probably arrive at an answer that allows you to continue - wanting to believe we're gonna clean and rebuild and all will be well.
I'm just no buying it.
God be with you. Stay safe and keep records of what you see.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:56:22 EDT (#)
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ETS: I think the IVAW are good people. They're at least being true to themselves by being conscientious objectors.
Macbeth, however, is a pile. I have always taken very seriously the honor of the services and done what I can to reflect it personally. It makes me angry when people slag us as an organization, wrongly. Sure there are bad apples. Sure there are bad things happening there. I don't excuse them in the slightest, and I do wish to see any guilty parties held to the highest standard.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:40:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:00:06 (#)
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I like how when confronted with the truth that Israel has tried prisoner exchanges in the past, and cease fires in the past with hezebollah that lead to the same cycle of them using the time to re-arm and attack again he switches to Iraq and Fallujah.
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Ok, I want you to understand something right now. I am not in any way, shape, or form afraid of debating with you or any other motherfucker on this website. Let's establish THAT first of all.
Second of all, I consume a LOT of news on the web. I watch a lot of internet video, listen to a lot of interviews, and read a lot of indie news sources, and what I find interesting, I try to link here in a review somewhere or a post, so I'm not changing the fucking subject, I'm sharing information.
Third of all, you're forgetting the fact that Israel had prisoners to exchange in the first fucking place, who were being held illegally, which I've already addressed several times. You're trying to make it sound like Israel is just an innocent bystander in all this, that they are surrounded by enemies who just won't leave them alone no matter how hard they try to 'accomodate them' and 'give in to their demands', this 'cycle of violence' just keeps going because they force them to strike back. If you truly believe this idea, even after seeing Israel fire at RESIDENTIAL areas, that they are not also 'terrorists', that Hezbollah is the terrorist group and Israel is the noble protector of their rightful lands, then you are fucking brainwashed, dude. It really is that simple. The control of information has worked wonders with millions of people JUST LIKE YOU.
But go on and keep trying to obfuscate and befuddle the point, because you don't have an argument based on facts at all. Face it, Israel is just as guilty as Hezbollah or Hamas ever was; they just have the money, the power, the military, the media, and the influence to shape public opinion in the West and you're eating up like it's your fucking breakfast. Not surprising since that's all you ever fucking do when it comes to the government or the military of the U.S. or its allies.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:02:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:53:52 (#)
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The other solution is for a nation's people to keep informed, to scream out, and express their displeasure.
I love my freedom and I want people to experience it too, but freedom is not something we earn, it's something we're born with. Whether born into slavery or wealth, we're ALL free already, we need only realize that fact and REFUSE and RESIST anyone or anything that challenges that freedom. Could we be killed, yes. But could we finally break the bonds that tie us down? Yes.
Again...there are no guarantees in life EXCEPT the fact of your freedom - even in imprisonment. The human will is a powerful thing, and when lashed together with the collective will of others, anything's possible.
Bottom line...Love is the answer, man. Everything else is just details.
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So shouldn't you be happy about Israel freeing all those Lebenese?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:02:25 EDT (#)
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Godchicken: I got it. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm glad it's not true.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/27/145957/376
"" MacBeth came to Iraq Veterans Against the War in January 2006 asking for help, and the organization and its members extended itself to help him in various ways. Assisting veterans is one of the founding principles of IVAW (http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=219) and it is a mission that we take seriously. After looking into his recent claims, we have learned that Jesse is not what he represented himself to be. Accordingly, IVAW does not in any way endorse Jesse MacBeth or any of his accounts involving military service. He -- and he alone -- is responsible for them. IVAW was not aware of the creation of the video program featuring MacBeth, and did not authorize use of our logo in the program.
The timing of the widespread circulation of the MacBeth video interestingly coincides with the ongoing military investigation of the recent Marine massacre of two dozen civilians (including women and children) in Haditha, - what is being termed as an atrocity by one member of Congress (R). MacBeth's false statements unfortunately have played into the hands of those who would deny that any atrocities whatsoever are occurring in Iraq. While such murders by military personnel are reprehensible, ultimate blame for these actions must be placed on the responsible commanding officers, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Bush administration who have created the context for chaos in through an illegal and unjust war and occupation which they admit has no end in sight.
IVAW is a young and growing organization of courageous veterans and active duty soldiers in the "War on Terror" whose mission is to end the war in Iraq through immediate withdrawal of troops. We believe that veterans should be given the benefits they deserve upon returning home, and that the United States owes reparations to the Iraqi people for the destruction of their country. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was ill conceived and dishonestly sold to the American people, and IVAW members have the special vantage point of first-hand experience of the war to know why it's wrong and why we need to bring the troops home now.""
These soldiers are legit though: IVAW (http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=219)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-19 11:00:06 EDT (#)
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I like how when confronted with the truth that Israel has tried prisoner exchanges in the past, and cease fires in the past with hezebollah that lead to the same cycle of them using the time to re-arm and attack again he switches to Iraq and Fallujah.
ETS doesn't give a shit about people being killed, he only cares about being anti anything remotley related to Bush. He likes to think he is a Rebel because he attacks America's actions.
200 hundred Lebanese dead, yeah it is sad.
But do you hear him talking about darfur? Nope, because he can't pin that one on the US, or Bush.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:55:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:38:32 (#)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
Sorry, had my story slightly wrong. He never completed Boot camp.
Easiest place to find links for the references.
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Ok, when it comes to what could very well be a smear campaign, I'd like you to do better than wikipedia. It's good for scientific and well established historical stuff, but it's not good for this type of thing when someone is asking for a source.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:53:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:29:22 (#)
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hezbollah and the plo use pictures of injured and dead children to sucker people just like you
hezbollah and the plo have, and continue to use; schools, playgrounds, hospitals, private residences, etc. to launch their rockets, fire their guns and plan their operations
hezbollah and the plo have no honor .
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ETS, you know that I usually agree with you, but for once I'm going to ask you to look at a bigger picture here.
I hate the fact that innocent people are dying, I wish there was something that I could do about it, hopefully when the UN makes a peacekeeping force, I can. But that's not the reason I'm writing this;
buddy, you've got to look at what started this. Hizbollah and Hamas and all the other terrorist factions have gone unchecked long enough.
Maybe military action is what's needed to stop future bloodshed. If these organizations can be destroyed, if the palestinian ordeal can end, and if people finally leave israel the fuck alone; we can have peace.
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You cannot have peace through war. I used to think it was the only way when I thought I was clever, but not anymore. Enough is enough. Violence begest violence. We reap what we sow. These things are as old as time itself.
You think WWII created peace? No. WWII created yet another string of conflicts, the effects of which we are STILL feeling. Korea, Iran, U.S.S.R./Berlin Wall/cold war, Vietnam, Cuba.... WWI was billed as the "War to End All Wars". So was WWII. I'm still waiting for the end of war.
All of history is just one giant string of interconnected events. Nothing is separate.
If you believe that "WAR IS PEACE", you're thinking exactly what they want us to keep thinking. They want us to believe that war is the answer to our problems. Forever and ever. War is the answer. It is through a spirit of understanding, compromise, debate, brotherhood, love, and sharing, that peace is accomplished. Life on this planet is a tenuous thing, to be sure, but to believe we have to constantly fight each other over something is nonsense.
I'm afraid of the UN because I don't want One World Government. I don't want all dictates and mandates coming from some central location on high somewhere in the world like from a POPE, or a CHANCELLOR, or an EMPEROR, or a DICTATOR, or even a COMMITTEE. I don't like this newfound reliance on the UN to solve all conflict. They make it sound as if the only alternative is unilateral war, but it's not. The other solution is for a nation's people to keep informed, to scream out, and express their displeasure.
I love my freedom and I want people to experience it too, but freedom is not something we earn, it's something we're born with. Whether born into slavery or wealth, we're ALL free already, we need only realize that fact and REFUSE and RESIST anyone or anything that challenges that freedom. Could we be killed, yes. But could we finally break the bonds that tie us down? Yes.
Again...there are no guarantees in life EXCEPT the fact of your freedom - even in imprisonment. The human will is a powerful thing, and when lashed together with the collective will of others, anything's possible.
Bottom line...Love is the answer, man. Everything else is just details.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:38:32 EDT (#)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
Sorry, had my story slightly wrong. He never completed Boot camp.
Easiest place to find links for the references.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:14:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2006-07-19 05:45:14 (#)
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Hit your "Go" button in your browser when you get that error and they should come right up. Otherwise, go here: http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 10:12:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 09:44:39 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:12:33 (#)
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Ex-soldier speaks out on Iraq:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8702649221654382360&q=iran
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This guy was proved to be a fake, there are no records of him ever having been enlisted in any branch of the military.
The last I heard, they were considering federal jail time for impersonating a soldier & falsely wearing military decorations.
Those are little-known federal laws, but it doesn't excuse him.
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No records? Because they couldn't have destroyed those. Where did you see this?
If he did fake it...that's pretty pathetic, but I'm inclined to believe him until he's PROVEN wrong to my face. Link me.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-19 09:44:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:12:33 (#)
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Ex-soldier speaks out on Iraq:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8702649221654382360&q=iran
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This guy was proved to be a fake, there are no records of him ever having been enlisted in any branch of the military.
The last I heard, they were considering federal jail time for impersonating a soldier & falsely wearing military decorations.
Those are little-known federal laws, but it doesn't excuse him.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:33:48 EDT (#)
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Because the Israeli Jews, their percieved racial enemies, INVITED them?
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the war in the middle east has been about territory, it always has been, it always will be.
Look at 1948 (?) when the brits pulled out, within hours the war began, and what for? Territory.
Period.
the religious part comes directly from the priests (both muslim and jewish) who claim it is about a holy land.
But they know the truth, it's just that the easiest way to inspire men to kill each other, is through God.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:29:22 EDT (#)
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hezbollah and the plo use pictures of injured and dead children to sucker people just like you
hezbollah and the plo have, and continue to use; schools, playgrounds, hospitals, private residences, etc. to launch their rockets, fire their guns and plan their operations
hezbollah and the plo have no honor .
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ETS, you know that I usually agree with you, but for once I'm going to ask you to look at a bigger picture here.
I hate the fact that innocent people are dying, I wish there was something that I could do about it, hopefully when the UN makes a peacekeeping force, I can. But that's not the reason I'm writing this;
buddy, you've got to look at what started this. Hizbollah and Hamas and all the other terrorist factions have gone unchecked long enough.
Maybe military action is what's needed to stop future bloodshed. If these organizations can be destroyed, if the palestinian ordeal can end, and if people finally leave israel the fuck alone; we can have peace.
So, yes innocent people are dying. Do you remember last year or a couple years ago, when the new intifada (sp?) began? When the suicide bombers were making headlines nearly every single day?
Innocent people died then, too.
This problem needs to be taken care of once and for all. It's going to take these terrorist groups being destroyed, it's going to take cease fires with the fear of immediate and devastating reprisal against anyone who breaks it, and it's going to take time.
I understand where you're coming from, but remember, israel has withstood these attacks long enough, it's about time they fought back.
-RockDocc
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2006-07-19 05:45:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 02:48:16 EDT (#)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9058519743431142534&q=iraqi+bodies
Video on the Massacre at Fallujah.
Submitted by Zol (user info) at 2006-07-19 01:53:26 EDT (#)
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i can give u a +2 but it cant help
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 01:40:31 EDT (#)
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and also, about syria:
syrian and iran helped to arm hezbollah, and lebannon is getting raped for it. if israel retaliates upon them as well, it is nothing they didnt deserve.
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 01:25:17 EDT (#)
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no. the phrase "if there is a christian bone in your body ..." makes me want to shoot you. go forth, help the poor heathens who dont believe in the only son of god. maybe if the collective middle east ate the body and blood of their savior, there would finally be peace.
by the way: hannity and colmes, not combs (but fox is shit, no matter what).
also, israel is surrounded by enemies and is being attacked by a force that is the de facto government of most of lebannon, regardless of technicalities. the civilian casualties are heartbreaking, but precident has shown the other middle east nations what happens when they fuck with israel: probable, predictable overreaction. if hezbollah attacked/attacks in formations, israel wouldnt need to excessively airstrike beirut. but they dont. so, the israeli military and government take whatever steps they deem necessary to ensure their survival.
and if someone else had said all that, sorry.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 00:22:22 EDT (#)
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Video from Lebanese News July 17, 2006: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6324071746858861017&q=lebanon+mosaic+2006+july
Watch and you might learn how the other half lives.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:12:33 EDT (#)
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Ex-soldier speaks out on Iraq:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8702649221654382360&q=iran
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:05:53 EDT (#)
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You people play too many goddamn videogames.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3851426890212250833&q=iran
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:54:26 EDT (#)
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I THOUGHT WAR WAS ALL LASERTAG AND CAPTURE THE FLAG LIKE
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:47:33 EDT (#)
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Well, this at least merits a 0. You're not completely ignorant to what goes on outside our country like most of us. Imbeciles.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:45:29 EDT (#)
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What makes these people any better than the thousands of others slaughtered every day across the world?
Why are you so upset about this particular time during which Israelis and Arabs are killing each other?
What makes you think, if by some act of God, a bunch of us actually listen to you and contact our Congressmen, that we would somehow be affecting the conflict? For all of your self-education and research on a variety of topics, you seem somewhat unaware that this conflict has not stopped since it began in Biblical times, and the words of one President, regardless of the nation backing him, will not bring about its end.
You want another peace treaty? What will that bring? A few more years of uneasy silence, before someone else makes a move, and the bloodshed starts anew.
Lebanon is at fault here, ETS; whether they were unable or unwilling--or both--to do something about the growing Hizbollah sect, the fact of the matter is that the nation turned a blind eye to it. Israel has technically been at war with Lebanon since 1948, and as much as I hate it, civilian casualties are as much a part of war as winning or losing.
Don't try to act as if you hold the moral high ground today; where have you been for the rest of the existence of humanity?
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:38:52 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by KungFu (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:37:33 EDT (#)
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Boy am I glad there's no Christian bone in my body, or I might've been upset by this.
Luckily, I don't care that much. I say, let Israel take the guns to all those bastards.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:34:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:38:41 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 19:19:07 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 17:54:39 (#)
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Look I'm guessing from the convo on here that this isn't being reported in the usa but hezbollah are demanding talks. Thats their reason for the kidnappings in the first place, they want to negotiate but Israel won't come to the table, its been al over the news....
'Hezbollah leaders say hostages will only be returned through negotiation, not violence'
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Of course it's not in the media here. This is fucking America...land of irresponsible journalism.
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I don't know what media you're watching or reading, ETS, because that fact has been in the news Every.Fucking.Day. on Fox and CNN both. Its all i can have the TV tuned to at work.
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You must be a plant for the Govt also.
Why would they sit down at the table with hezbollah? You take their claim of "solving it through negotiations" when they started the violence?
If someone came into your house killed one of your children then kidnapped another and you had a gun pointed at their head, would you trust them to negotiate? Would you trust them if they HAD DONE IT BEFORE?
This is not the first time Israel has heard offers for cease fires that have been thrown in their face, this isn't the first time they have heard it from hezebollah. They thought that Israel wouldn't react so strongly.
I know you like to jump from topic to topic with absolutely no understanding, but please research hezbollah. Research where past talks have lead. Research how they negotiated with the bodies of three dead soilders and a kidnapped CIVILIAN to release some of their criminal brothers.
Go ahead and call me a warmonger, but the fact is you don't understand the situation. You have no understanding of hezbollah's history or you wouldn't be tossing around niave and just plain stupid ideas of sitting down to talk. Look up Elchanan Tannenbaum. Tell me that you would trust them to come to the table when they have done the same in the past.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:33:04 EDT (#)
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Icarus: Hezbollah has been calling for a ceasefire. They want to discuss it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:31:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:38:41 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 19:19:07 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 17:54:39 (#)
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Look I'm guessing from the convo on here that this isn't being reported in the usa but hezbollah are demanding talks. Thats their reason for the kidnappings in the first place, they want to negotiate but Israel won't come to the table, its been al over the news....
'Hezbollah leaders say hostages will only be returned through negotiation, not violence'
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Of course it's not in the media here. This is fucking America...land of irresponsible journalism.
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I don't know what media you're watching or reading, ETS, because that fact has been in the news Every.Fucking.Day. on Fox and CNN both. Its all i can have the TV tuned to at work.
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The fact that Hezbollah has been calling for an unconditional ceasefire in NOT being reported.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:41:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 17:01:11 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:31:26 (#)
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Where would you create this open table for dialogue?
--In a neutral country.
Do you think any rocket lobbing hezebullah members would come?
--If you invited them, maybe. <<
Militant islamic hard liners
The dudes who are willing to kill civilians on the slightest excuse or whim
The morons who honestly believe they're getting 14 virgins if they die in combat
Are going to come to a peace talk
Why?
Because the Israeli Jews, their percieved racial enemies, INVITED them?
This has to be an act. Stupidity of this caliber cannot be accidental.
And maybe Bush will back off drilling with Alaska if you just say "Hey George, think of the caribou," and he'll be all like "I used to have a stuffed caribou when I was a kid *weeps*" and you'll hug each other and cry and have a mocha.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:38:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 19:19:07 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-07-18 17:54:39 (#)
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Look I'm guessing from the convo on here that this isn't being reported in the usa but hezbollah are demanding talks. Thats their reason for the kidnappings in the first place, they want to negotiate but Israel won't come to the table, its been al over the news....
'Hezbollah leaders say hostages will only be returned through negotiation, not violence'
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Of course it's not in the media here. This is fucking America...land of irresponsible journalism.
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I don't know what media you're watching or reading, ETS, because that fact has been in the news Every.Fucking.Day. on Fox and CNN both. Its all i can hav