Pictures from History (Counting Bodies like Sheep to the Rythm of Hymns) (2435 hits)
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Submitted by gank (user info) at 2006-09-12 17:31:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:58:50 (#)
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More people have been murdered in the name of Jesus Christ throughout history than in all the names of kings and countries combined.
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This is a highly ignorant statement, and it proves one of your faults kaos-king (your prejudices). Please do not comment any longer on anything Christian. You're entirely too bias to actually have something worthwhile to say. The same goes for you, Foolproof. (I mean, seriously, the cannibalism and zombie worship statement below is enough to indict your ignorance. Please try your best to ignore religion from now on. I know you can't, buy try.)
Uh, the Romans, the Greeks, everything before Jesus?
Mongol Conquests = 30-60 MILLION.
Hell, just in the past 100 years, Mao Zedong + Hitler + Hideki Tojo (Imperial Japan) + Stalin + Pol Pot = 51 to 186 MILLION people killed (democide). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll#Genocide_and_democide
The Crusades, Inquisitions, French Wars of Religion, and witch hunts come in at under 5 MILLION. Not even close.
Submitted by URMY_bitch (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:52:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:29:24 EDT (#)
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Some of those pictures totally got me hard.
Foolproof, you are the wind beneath my sails or something.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2006-07-21 19:11:03 EDT (#)
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does a catholic preists throbbing erection count as a christian bone in my body?
cause either way i mean i uh fjkdlsfjsdkl;akjfgkla;f
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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:10:44 EDT (#)
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The only reason God let these atrocities occur is BECAUSE HE IS A FUCKING FICTIONAL PERSONA INVENTED TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THIS LIFE ON A HUGE ROCK HURTLING THROUGH SPACE.
Honestly, accepting that Jesus was a shitty character in a shitty book has changed my life.
FUCK ALLAH TOO!
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-21 12:46:57 EDT (#)
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Gotta love ETS. All sound and fury. You debunk his bullshit with actual facts, and he shuts the hell up and pretends to ignore it, at least until his next paranoid rant.
Submitted by hoooot (user info) at 2006-07-21 09:43:21 EDT (#)
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God damnit. I hate people hating on religion. Even if you don't believe (which I don't), you have to recognize that religion brings about so much good in the world (feeding the starving, housing the homeless, providing morals).
By arguing like this, it's the same as saying that government has done bad things in the past so we shouldn't have it at all.
Right now we rely on the religious peoples of the world to do all that good stuff I talked about before. If they didn't do it, are you gonna step up to the plate?
Nope.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-07-20 21:40:50 EDT (#)
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YEP
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2006-07-20 13:56:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Happily_Agnostic (user info) at 2006-07-20 09:16:51 EDT (#)
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http://exchristian.net/
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 23:43:38 EDT (#)
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iamnotthewtc: are you talking about the "is this what your messiah taught?" question? if so: i dont have a messiah. i was born a jew, but i dont believe in god or the soul or redemption or heaven or hell. generally, i dont believe in much of anything. so if that was the question i 'couldnt answer,' there you have it. if not, tell me which one and ill try to shit out a reply.
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 23:35:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:35:09 (#)
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ripple- so where do morals come from? if you study history you discover they . . . come from religion. and where christian morals are derived from makes no difference as to whether they are important or not. you still didn't answer the question. because you can't.
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as other people said, religion is a device. going with the judeo-christian tradition, do you think that the morals most modernized countries take for granted were really handed down a mountain? morals evolved, just like language, just like all of civilization, from organic sources. not from a guy with long hair and a scepter playing with earth.
religion comes from a need/want for order and survival. morals are tools invented by humans, likewise ethical codes. i dont contest that religion helps inforce morality, just that there cannot be morality without christianity (which was my potentially erroneus interpretation of your earlier review).
anyways, the origin of religion is (in my belief) human, so, either way, someone or many someones essentially created rudimentary morals prior to any modern western religion. look at the code of hammurabi: an eye for an eye. that created a code for unnacceptable behavior, though one that is considered crude today. this basic idea for punishing murder, theft, etc. existed long before judaism or christianity. i think that this alone could have provided the basis for moral evolution. though this evolution was probably expediated by the western bible, i think systems of punishment indicate that the process could have continued without the christian morality.
ok, thats all. you probably disagree, and thats chill.
and by the by, i dont know which question you were talking about
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-19 20:17:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Hypatia86 (user info) at 2006-07-19 17:52:27 (#)
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This is shit, these are not works of God these are works of man. Why would you ever think God would even be involved with anything in this shit world. God isnt here, hes in heaven. This world is going to hell, everything on it will burn, because everything in it is evil, like those pictures you posted.
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Did I say GOD did this?
No, fuckstick!!
I said RELIGION did this!
Get off your high horse you douche.
Submitted by Hypatia86 (user info) at 2006-07-19 18:01:59 EDT (#)
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oh I forgot, -2 Die... that was fun
Submitted by Hypatia86 (user info) at 2006-07-19 17:52:27 EDT (#)
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This is shit, these are not works of God these are works of man. Why would you ever think God would even be involved with anything in this shit world. God isnt here, hes in heaven. This world is going to hell, everything on it will burn, because everything in it is evil, like those pictures you posted.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 17:47:09 EDT (#)
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>>I never said I was a shining example of Christianity, I just said I'm sick of all the backwards thinking with regard to it, and I'm sick of this increasingly empty and secular modern life. I want to change becuase I don't want to feel this way anymore. I've grown weary of all the evil in the world, and I don't want to be a part of it anymore. The least I can do is speak out against what I feel is wrong. I don't always express myself in the best terms, but I try to follow my conscience as best I can.<<
Perfect illustration.
You are never going to fix the evils in this world, Bradley. They're bigger than you and your species. A particularly good person buckles down, focuses on one or two details they can change. But not you. You have no direction, no logic, no rational; just one never-ending opinion nobody asked for in the first place. One big, long soundbyte.
At best, most of your writing is a joke. At worst, it is a liability to the causes you claim to support.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-19 17:36:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:25:31 (#)
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I wanna know mostly where I advocated killing someone who didn't agree with me. Where did I do that?
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http://www.ubersite.com/u/electrictoothsyndrome/l/posts_by_people_who_need_to_die
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:58:50 EDT (#)
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More people have been murdered in the name of Jesus Christ throughout history than in all the names of kings and countries combined.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:44:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:20:16 (#)
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:09:00 (#)
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Don't be an idiot, ETS- if a Christian kills a man for Jesus (and they do it) that doesn't change the fact that they're a Christian. Crusades? Christian. Inquisition? Christian. Much as it sucks the proverbial ass, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
If a self-proclaimed "pacifist" started commiting brutal murders at night, we wouldn't consider him a pacifist anymore. He is, in fact, obviously not a pacifict. He is now a violent criminal.
That's not to say that he couldn't possibly BECOME a pacifist again someday, but he's obviously not going to be one as long as he's killing, raping, or torturing people is he etc et cand so on and on and on.....
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Hehe...you are still at it??
ETS are you seriously saying that religion has not been the biggest killer of humans thoughout history?
Yes or No please.
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Religion, YES. Actual Christianity, no.
Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:35:09 EDT (#)
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ripple- so where do morals come from? if you study history you discover they . . . come from religion. and where christian morals are derived from makes no difference as to whether they are important or not. you still didn't answer the question. because you can't.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-07-19 16:13:23 EDT (#)
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religion blows
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-07-19 14:06:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-19 07:57:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:20:16 (#)
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:09:00 (#)
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Don't be an idiot, ETS- if a Christian kills a man for Jesus (and they do it) that doesn't change the fact that they're a Christian. Crusades? Christian. Inquisition? Christian. Much as it sucks the proverbial ass, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
If a self-proclaimed "pacifist" started commiting brutal murders at night, we wouldn't consider him a pacifist anymore. He is, in fact, obviously not a pacifict. He is now a violent criminal.
That's not to say that he couldn't possibly BECOME a pacifist again someday, but he's obviously not going to be one as long as he's killing, raping, or torturing people is he etc et cand so on and on and on.....
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Hehe...you are still at it??
ETS are you seriously saying that religion has not been the biggest killer of humans thoughout history?
Yes or No please.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-07-19 06:22:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:11:19 (#)
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All real intelligent people realize that religion is a farce. It is used to control populations. If we didn't feel there were consequences for our actions people would go crazy. Relgion is used by goverments to control populations.
it truly is a farce.
The funny thing is that it still works today.
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 01:58:44 EDT (#)
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oh, and iamnothethewtc, "christian" morals were derived from judaism. and probably heavily influenced by pagan rome. so enjoy feeling superior. hope it works out for you.
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2006-07-19 01:35:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:49:55 (#)
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OK. so (some) christians act disgustingly, barbaric. and to make things much worse, they use some perverted logic incorporating religion to do it. the important question is: what's the alternative?
let's have a look at the governments in the modern first world that divorced themselves from religion. you got two:
1 - the fascists had no need for the absurdity of worshipping some god who didn't enforce the leader's doctrine by means of a secret police. hitler was most definitely anti-church. you could frame WW2 as christians vs. non-christians with only a few exceptions. and guess what? the christians, faults and all, come out looking pretty good.
2 - the communists thought religion was the opiate of the masses. and they preferred the masses to sit there and starve without any kind of non-government sanctioned relief whatsoever. for eurasia, this war came down largely to a christian vs. non-christian fight as well.
please, please offer an explicitly un-christian government in the west that hasn't wound up slaughtering millions of people at the whim of a dictator. unless you're a communist (and i'm not trying to imply that's a bad thing - it would explain an ideological opposition to organized religion) you've got to concede that the christian-oriented nations, the ones with christian-based laws and with large populations identifying themselves as christian (US/CA/AU/Western Europe at least until the end of the cold war) have done alright.
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mostly to negate this dipshit.
religion and morals arent synonymous, asshole.
random: tonight i saw a friend of my parents who has recently taken up a striking resemblance to jesus. just so long as one of the most ridiculous major religions is tonights topic of choice.
Submitted by IamNotTheWorldTradeCenter (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:49:55 EDT (#)
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OK. so (some) christians act disgustingly, barbaric. and to make things much worse, they use some perverted logic incorporating religion to do it. the important question is: what's the alternative?
let's have a look at the governments in the modern first world that divorced themselves from religion. you got two:
1 - the fascists had no need for the absurdity of worshipping some god who didn't enforce the leader's doctrine by means of a secret police. hitler was most definitely anti-church. you could frame WW2 as christians vs. non-christians with only a few exceptions. and guess what? the christians, faults and all, come out looking pretty good.
2 - the communists thought religion was the opiate of the masses. and they preferred the masses to sit there and starve without any kind of non-government sanctioned relief whatsoever. for eurasia, this war came down largely to a christian vs. non-christian fight as well.
please, please offer an explicitly un-christian government in the west that hasn't wound up slaughtering millions of people at the whim of a dictator. unless you're a communist (and i'm not trying to imply that's a bad thing - it would explain an ideological opposition to organized religion) you've got to concede that the christian-oriented nations, the ones with christian-based laws and with large populations identifying themselves as christian (US/CA/AU/Western Europe at least until the end of the cold war) have done alright.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-07-18 23:11:19 EDT (#)
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All real intelligent people realize that religion is a farce. It is used to control populations. If we didn't feel there were consequences for our actions people would go crazy. Relgion is used by goverments to control populations.
it truly is a farce.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:59:58 EDT (#)
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You made good points with your quotes, which were recent.
Then, you went on to make a generalization of all Christianity by implicating all of us in the Spanish Inquisition. There are several problems with that. One, it was the SPANISH Inquistion. Though it was by no means confined to Spain, it was, in fact, perpetrated by Spain. Two, it was the CATHOLIC Church of Spain behind this movement. To suggest that all Christians act in this way is to suggest...Oh, I don't know, that all Muslims are suicide bombers.
But I seriously doubt that that was your underlying motive.
Look, if you're going to make generalizations about one side, make them about all. Such as: "All women are whores. However, it should be noted that all men are pigs." I am aware of a number of my posts which probably display such stereotypes.
The fact of the matter is that there are extemists on all sides. I think we get it by now.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:40:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 21:25:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-18 19:28:35 (#)
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B.) "By their fruits shall ye know them"? Fine. You've advocated KILLING people who disagree with your beliefs.
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I wanna know mostly where I advocated killing someone who didn't agree with me. Where did I do that?
I never said I was a shining example of Christianity, I just said I'm sick of all the backwards thinking with regard to it, and I'm sick of this increasingly empty and secular modern life. I want to change becuase I don't want to feel this way anymore. I've grown weary of all the evil in the world, and I don't want to be a part of it anymore. The least I can do is speak out against what I feel is wrong. I don't always express myself in the best terms, but I try to follow my conscience as best I can.
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2006-07-18 20:11:12 EDT (#)
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i think i better call my mum
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-18 19:28:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:06:23 (#)
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>>>It's not in the name of Jesus, I can tell you that. Jesus even warned against those that would come as wolves in sheep's clothing. He warned against false prophets saying, "By their fruits you will know them."
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When I say "Christian", I mean those who understand the golden rule...those who understand and wish to live by the teachings of Jesus as an example. When someone says or does something that follows the teaching of Socrates, we call it "Socratic". When someone references something Plato said, we call it "Platonic", Drake, "Drakonian", Machiavelli, "Machiavellian", Christ..."Christian".
We wouldn't call someone who believed in creationism "Darwinian" would we? The same applies to those centuries of MURDERERS who called themselves "Christian".<<
A.) Bradley, you're overdoing this hitwhore internet persona of yours. You can't be a paranoid conspiracy theorist nutjob, a radical environmentalist and gun-promoter, AND an avid Christian. The concept of something THAT annoying FLIES in the idea of a kind and loving god, which would make you an athiest. Thus creating a paradox which would suck the universe in on your ego.
B.) "By their fruits shall ye know them"? Fine. You've advocated KILLING people who disagree with your beliefs. That's not terribly Christian, which would mean you, in turn, are not a Christian. I mean fuck, to hoist you on your own petard, you can't believe in creation one minute, then go back to saying "it was just a human mistake. I'm really a Darwinist."
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:59:08 EDT (#)
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i hate you more.
but now it's purely a jealous hate.
fucker.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:57:59 EDT (#)
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sorry, did you really think I could do all this talk about KY and not have that joke lined up for someone?
anyway...I'm going back in 2 weeks, we are closing on the land on the 1st so I'm flying down for 2 nights and then back home.
Going alone this time....I plan on getting very drunk at least one of those nights, laying out in the dark, cricket serenade and cool temps and the Kentucky Perfume wafting me to a kind and gentle sleep.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:55:31 EDT (#)
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i hate you.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:54:33 EDT (#)
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katy - vaseline works in a pinch
spit too.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:51:05 EDT (#)
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see that dude, you're doing better already.
I feel so good right now.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:50:24 EDT (#)
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i miss ky :(
stop making me miss a place i can't go right now!!!
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:48:45 EDT (#)
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Badass, I don't *need* a book. Books (or at least good ones) are inspiration distilled and spilled out onto the page in pretty words and stuff. A good book contains the essence of the world in it.
I want a book, not to follow and define my life, but to inspire me.
Besides, I don't have a favorite book.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:47:20 EDT (#)
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believe me dude, my mind and soul are there its only the physical that resides here in Jersey.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:45:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:39:18 (#)
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Allison Krauss is Kentucky music, son.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:44:37 EDT (#)
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gofer - why would you need a book at all?
apparently your relationship with 'god' is however you want it to be...books can lick my nuts when it comes to right and wrong.
do you have a brain?
good.
does it tell you things when faced with a decision, some good some bad but leans towards the good?
good.
Follow it.
There you go...consider me your saviour and I say do with that knowledge I've just given you, what you will.
Go forth and prosper or some shit
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:43:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by OdwinOddball (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:32:13 (#)
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+2 because the newb cant tell the difference between + and -
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dirka dirka jihad on your sons!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:43:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:54:55 (#)
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ETS: Your pacifism comparison is touching for it's personal relevance, but it doesn't fly. Pacifism is simple- no violence, ever. The pure breadth of Christian dogma allows you to pick and choose exactly HOW you want to be a Christian.
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There is no contradiction in the Red Letters of Christ. Once again you're confusing the words of Jesus with the greedy, misguided men who hijack his message for personal gain and power.
Fuck Pat Robertson.
Fuck the Pope.
FUCK dogma.
FUCK DOGMA!
And since I can't say it enough,
F.U.C.K.! D.O.G.M.A.!
"By their fruits you shall know them."
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:40:27 EDT (#)
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ETS: If you have to distort a book and ignore part of what it says to get what you want out of it, it's not worth believing in.
Why not just use your favorite book as a religious text?
That's what I do.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:39:18 EDT (#)
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the only cool thing I got out of rehab at 15 was their definition of God
God stands for Good Orderly Direction, apply it to yourself how ever you like.
Of course I'm listening to Allison Krauss and Union Station so I'm feeling all mushy and shit.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:37:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:30:01 (#)
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You want to be a good fucking person, you don't have to worry about any thing other than faith in your own fucking morality.
Treat people how you'd like to be treated as often as you can, recycle, call your mom, love freely and disguard no one.
There you have it folks the Bible, Christianity, Catholicism and the rest all bundled into a short few words...everything else is just fluff.
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Yep.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:34:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:30:01 (#)
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I'm going to follow Filthy, consider me your first apostle, can I get a cool name?
Jesus, God, Church, Religion, all of it that you have learned, been force fed, watched on TV, heard on he radio, etc; is a fucking crock....bank on that one.
You want to be righteous...die now, the only people not commiting sin are the ones that are dead.
You want to be a good fucking person, you don't have to worry about any thing other than faith in your own fucking morality.
Treat people how you'd like to be treated as often as you can, recycle, call your mom, love freely and disguard no one.
There you have it folks the Bible, Christianity, Catholicism and the rest all bundled into a short few words...everything else is just fluff.
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In general, I completely agree.
Jesus's teachings are very very simple. The problem is, they have been complicated and distroted by a great many greedy and misguided people throughout history.
The Holy Spirit = Conscience
The Son = Forgiveness
The Father = Eternal Peace
Submitted by OdwinOddball (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:32:13 EDT (#)
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+2 because the newb cant tell the difference between + and -
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:31:57 EDT (#)
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this post used to be cool, then everyone writes all these deep responses and i get bored reading them. go back to ETSs post and leave this one to us...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:30:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:24:19 (#)
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I couldn't disagree more strongly. This is one of the great LIES of the modern pseudo-Christian faith. That by baptism, being 'saved', confession (if you're catholic or lutheran) ever so often means you 'are' a Christian.
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i think you're still misunderstanding how a confession works. just because you tell a priest your sins and ask for forgiveness outloud doesn't mean you're automatically wiped clean. yes that is the premise, repentance, confession and penitence will wipe clean your slate. however, if someone does confession by just going through the motions and then the rosary 12 times or whatever the payout is it doesn't work. the idea is that you are truly sorry and truly asking for forgiveness it will be granted.
you know what fuck that, what's your damn email address...
that's a mistake isn't it?
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email: electrictoothsyndrome.at.gmail.com
"the idea is that you are truly sorry and truly asking for forgiveness it will be granted."
Yes, but once again, in Christianity, it is only the Son who grants this forgiveness, NOT a priest. The confession in Catholicism is nothing more than a control mechanism to keep people dependent upon a false institution of man rather than coming before the Kingdom of God directly.
Indulgence for sins.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:30:01 EDT (#)
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I'm going to follow Filthy, consider me your first apostle, can I get a cool name?
Jesus, God, Church, Religion, all of it that you have learned, been force fed, watched on TV, heard on he radio, etc; is a fucking crock....bank on that one.
You want to be righteous...die now, the only people not commiting sin are the ones that are dead.
You want to be a good fucking person, you don't have to worry about any thing other than faith in your own fucking morality.
Treat people how you'd like to be treated as often as you can, recycle, call your mom, love freely and disguard no one.
There you have it folks the Bible, Christianity, Catholicism and the rest all bundled into a short few words...everything else is just fluff.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:27:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:24:17 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:41:47 (#)
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ETS
also the eucharist is not bullshit. that is a TRUE christian tenet and by that i mean jesus said so. "do this in remembrance of me" sound familiar? the eucharist is a sacrament in every church, some do it once a year, some do it every sunday, some only do it on holy days, but, that is one of the very definite things set down by jesus. if you don't realize that you need to get a bible that has his words in red. it's one of the very few things he left behind, along with the lord's prayer and things like that.
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YEs, but the Eucharist as practiced by the Catholic church is a mockery of actual eating.
The Eucharist should not be observed on special days, it is for ALL days and ALL meals. It is the way to live! By reserving it for 'special' days and making a production of it, you're bastardizing the concept and taking the meaning out of the act as it should apply in everyday life.
Anytime a Christian breaks bread it should be in remembrance.
Again, it's just another way the Catholic church tried to gain a monopoly over the means of worship, by creating FALSEHOODS.
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on the flipside of that doing that at EVERY meal takes the specialness away from that.
also - that's what prayer at the table's for, thanks and remembrance. communion is different because it needs to be held separate and sacred from normal meals.
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Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:01:27 (#)
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There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
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Did you even read the post? Or just look at the pictures and make a judgement.
He was pointing out that there was this 'evil' that you are talking about, or were you too blinded by the opportunity to say something that you deemed intelligent to see that.
It was a retort to something that ETS said, and a good one at that.
Maybe if you had learned how to read in the last 2 years you spent here then we would all be doing better.
Fucking tool.
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Ya ya ya. You win. Can you belive the Leafs signed Peca for 2.5 after a 20 point season? Go Jesus.
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No, No, I can't.
At least they weren't like the Stars and signing Eric 'If i think about getting hit i cam concussed" Lindros...
There have been some signings where i have just thought: "Now there is a GM who should be fired..."
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:24:19 EDT (#)
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I couldn't disagree more strongly. This is one of the great LIES of the modern pseudo-Christian faith. That by baptism, being 'saved', confession (if you're catholic or lutheran) ever so often means you 'are' a Christian.
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i think you're still misunderstanding how a confession works. just because you tell a priest your sins and ask for forgiveness outloud doesn't mean you're automatically wiped clean. yes that is the premise, repentance, confession and penitence will wipe clean your slate. however, if someone does confession by just going through the motions and then the rosary 12 times or whatever the payout is it doesn't work. the idea is that you are truly sorry and truly asking for forgiveness it will be granted.
you know what fuck that, what's your damn email address...
that's a mistake isn't it?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:24:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:41:47 (#)
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also the eucharist is not bullshit. that is a TRUE christian tenet and by that i mean jesus said so. "do this in remembrance of me" sound familiar? the eucharist is a sacrament in every church, some do it once a year, some do it every sunday, some only do it on holy days, but, that is one of the very definite things set down by jesus. if you don't realize that you need to get a bible that has his words in red. it's one of the very few things he left behind, along with the lord's prayer and things like that.
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YEs, but the Eucharist as practiced by the Catholic church is a mockery of actual eating.
The Eucharist should not be observed on special days, it is for ALL days and ALL meals. It is the way to live! By reserving it for 'special' days and making a production of it, you're bastardizing the concept and taking the meaning out of the act as it should apply in everyday life.
Anytime a Christian breaks bread it should be in remembrance.
Again, it's just another way the Catholic church tried to gain a monopoly over the means of worship, by creating FALSEHOODS.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:18:16 EDT (#)
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ok i have a specific question before i reply to anything -
are you using the king james bible?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:14:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:23:35 (#)
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and... what defines a christian (not catholic, or orthodox or any specific denomination but christian and christian only), by virtually every set of christian beliefs, practicing or not, is the belief in and acceptance of jesus as your personal savior. seriously when you get down to it, people do evil things but just because they do those evil things does not make them less of a christian than mother theresa.
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I wanted to address this directly.
You said, "what defines a christian (not catholic, or orthodox or any specific denomination but christian and christian only), by virtually every set of christian beliefs, practicing or not, is the belief in and acceptance of jesus as your personal savior."
I couldn't disagree more strongly. This is one of the great LIES of the modern pseudo-Christian faith. That by baptism, being 'saved', confession (if you're catholic or lutheran) ever so often means you 'are' a Christian.
First of all, there is NO SUCH THING as a non-practicing ANYTHING. It's a convenient shotcut to having to think about your real beliefs to say "I'm a non-practicing _______". (You fill in the blank.)
You're right that accepting Jesus as your personal savior is central, but as i've said before, I interpret it to mean this: by following Jesus's example, you can each save yourselves and each other.
The "once saved always saved" thing doesn't cut it for me. I am shady on the afterlife, I am shaky on the whole concept of divinity at the moment, frankly because I've rejected all this so fervently and so long that I'm taking baby steps, but I am FIRM in my belief of the core teaching of Jesus, and that if you're not following them, you cannot POSSIBLY be a 'Christian' in the truest sense of the word. I don't care how it's rationalized. It just doesn't fit.
In Christianity, there is forgiveness of sin, but forgiveness only come from the asking of forgiveness, and it must be a sincere asking. Jesus saved the prostitute from stoning, forgave her, and told her to go forth and sin no more.
We are not perfect, but Christianity claims that absolution of sin (cleansing) is possible through faith in Jesus Christ.
"Sin" means an offense to the holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit can be thought of as your own conscience, if you want to. It's the overwhelming feeling, emotion, and voice that floods you at times and guides you into what must be done. If this force is ignored, Jesus said, that is the greatest blasphemy of all. To with full knowledge of right and wrong, deny or ignore the Holy Spirit, this is the one unforgivable sin.
'For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins' (Hebrews 10:26).
Matthew Chapter 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:10:16 EDT (#)
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well yes but somehow following "your own conscience" as a guidance system seems to negate others doing the same in a lot of instances. people suck. i'm gonna be a cat in the next life hopefully. that way i can sit my furry ass on your faces and smother you bastards.
Submitted by Mrdurden24 (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:10:11 EDT (#)
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Atheists need to rise up and slaughter the ignorant sheep...Life unworthy of Life
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:08:15 EDT (#)
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I could quite happily scrap every religious text ever written and replace it with one sentence:
Live according to your own conscience and allow others to do the same.
Church of filthy. Job done.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:04:55 EDT (#)
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Go and read 'The Handmaid's Tale'.
Don't argue with me, JonnyX says DO IT
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 16:00:07 EDT (#)
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grrr... that's not the entire point of confession.
:p
bugger.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:58:47 EDT (#)
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Ah, yes - The Eucharist and The Wine.
Body and Blood.
Cannibalism.
And Zombie worship - he did rise from the dead, after all.
I'm sorry for lying to everybody. I said a while ago that I had posted my last "Religion" post, but I feel this had to be said.
I'll go confess now.
I'm sure the priest needs to know what the Omnipotent missed.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:56:20 EDT (#)
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Inion- as an atheist, I'm going to agree with you about the Eucharist.
Why? Because the one thing I truly respect about religion in general is the discipline.
Christianity is somewhat less disciplined than, say, Buddhism, but it's still a discipline and that's important in life.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:54:55 EDT (#)
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ETS: Your pacifism comparison is touching for it's personal relevance, but it doesn't fly. Pacifism is simple- no violence, ever. The pure breadth of Christian dogma allows you to pick and choose exactly HOW you want to be a Christian. You can be the 'blessed are the meek' kind, the 'I have come not to bring peace but a sword' kind, the 'give unto Caesar what is Caesar's' kind, the 'judge not lest ye be judged' kind (too few of those, I fear), the casting out demons kind, the kind who accept his commision to spread the good news or whatever, shit if I know the phrase for that. All of them are acceptable forms, since they all follow the bible in their own way.
Frankly, much as it pains me to say it, you saying that these people aren't Christian is just as bad as Pat Robertson saying gays can't be Christian. Intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance.
Ain't it just a bitch?
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:45:20 EDT (#)
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Stuff like this is the reason why I don't go to church. When I was little i believed everything I was told. The more and more I look into religion the more it sickens me.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:41:47 EDT (#)
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also the eucharist is not bullshit. that is a TRUE christian tenet and by that i mean jesus said so. "do this in remembrance of me" sound familiar? the eucharist is a sacrament in every church, some do it once a year, some do it every sunday, some only do it on holy days, but, that is one of the very definite things set down by jesus. if you don't realize that you need to get a bible that has his words in red. it's one of the very few things he left behind, along with the lord's prayer and things like that.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:38:15 EDT (#)
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ETS - gotta watch dogma man.
whatever you hold true on earth... yadda yadda yadda. those are also jesus' words. judge not lest ye be judged, unto caesar. all that.
anyway, confession is very important. people do need forgiveness for their sins. confession is also only a catholic thing as far as i know. we even used to have a religion class set aside for it every couple months. i don't think god excuses everything, but nor do i think god would hold everything against anyone if they ask for forgiveness and are truly repentant. that's the key to confession really. it doesn't count if you're not repentant. you can really ask a priest about that too, if you don't ask for forgiveness in your heart that no matter what you do the confession does nothing. also, people who take that as a liberty to do anything they please, "jesus died for our sins so let's get our money's worth" kind of outlook, do not get forgiveness. that's what mortal sins represent. do you know the three things it takes to qualify as a mortal sin?
plus, i've never heard of it in any other denomination, if you have quarrels mostly with the catholic church, as you seem to, you should probably start specifying that. priests are also ONLY catholic and orthodoxy. ministers and reverends are the protestant versions.
i suggest doing a little more research on the catholic church. who knows? i might even have some books from my heyday back in highschool that i could send you on their view and teachings. i think you're confusing cathlolic teachings for everything else's. there is a difference some are "better" some are "worse." being that christianity is supposed to be a personal thing with god, as all religions and spriritual explorations should be after some point in your life, i don't think it's right that you can say one thing is evil just because you personally think it's wrong. you never know who's going to heaven.
judge not lest ye yadda yadda...
Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:34:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:01:27 (#)
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There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
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Did you even read the post? Or just look at the pictures and make a judgement.
He was pointing out that there was this 'evil' that you are talking about, or were you too blinded by the opportunity to say something that you deemed intelligent to see that.
It was a retort to something that ETS said, and a good one at that.
Maybe if you had learned how to read in the last 2 years you spent here then we would all be doing better.
Fucking tool.
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Ya ya ya. You win. Can you belive the Leafs signed Peca for 2.5 after a 20 point season? Go Jesus.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:28:48 EDT (#)
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Here's the thing...Jesus himself warned against "religion". He knew full well the ways in which institutions are hijacked by evil men to their own ends.
He did not preach a "religion". He did not WANT a "religion" for mankind. He wanted us to be personal fishers of men. He wanted to erase the lines between man and God that existed in Jewish belief.
"The body IS your temple," he said.
Because your body IS a temple, and your faith the priest, you no longer require going to a synagogue to be 'allowed' a dialogue with God.
This is one of the core tenents of Christianity.
Of course, Catholic priests and popes, through their greed and will to control, created 'confession' and all the other bullshit rituals, eucharists, and masses people commonly associate and ascribe to Christianity.
Read the bible. That shit is nowhere to be found. In fact, Christ himself condemns it.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:25:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:19:07 (#)
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I think this is pertinent:
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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MASSIVE PWNAGE BY JESUS
I was ambiguous about this post.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:23:35 EDT (#)
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power corrupts...
anyway ets - the original thing with religious icons was it helps people to have something to focus on. barring the blind, people are very visual creatures. babies smile are more likely to look at pretty faces than ugly ones, men base a lot of their unknown attraction on waist/hip ratio, a symmetrical face is seen as more beautiful than someone who's a little off.
yes, there is a certain form of idolatry in the church itself because they do spend an INSANE amount of money on religious art. however, a lot of the icons and decorations are passed on from an older time when this was considered appropriate. even the multimillion dollar churches now (which i don't like) are sparse when it comes to decorating with paintings, gold encased engravings, marble statues and the like.
anyway, final point to this rambling. don't hold it against people for having images of their god. most christians do know the difference between a representation of a god and the actual god itself. small children obviously don't understand yet, but having something to focus on actually helps people. doing the rosary, clasping a crucifix while praying, having a statue of st francis in the garden. it's all a way of focusing thoughts and prayers. kind of like buddhists and candle meditation and incense bringing the prayers up to heaven.
and... what defines a christian (not catholic, or orthodox or any specific denomination but christian and christian only), by virtually every set of christian beliefs, practicing or not, is the belief in and acceptance of jesus as your personal savior. seriously when you get down to it, people do evil things but just because they do those evil things does not make them less of a christian than mother theresa. it may make them a bad person, but if they truly believe in jesus and have accepted them as their savior that is what makes a christian. practicing all the guidelines after that is still a personal choice. you can believe and still just suck.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:20:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:09:00 (#)
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Don't be an idiot, ETS- if a Christian kills a man for Jesus (and they do it) that doesn't change the fact that they're a Christian. Crusades? Christian. Inquisition? Christian. Much as it sucks the proverbial ass, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
If a self-proclaimed "pacifist" started commiting brutal murders at night, we wouldn't consider him a pacifist anymore. He is, in fact, obviously not a pacifict. He is now a violent criminal.
That's not to say that he couldn't possibly BECOME a pacifist again someday, but he's obviously not going to be one as long as he's killing, raping, or torturing people is he?
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:09:00 EDT (#)
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Don't be an idiot, ETS- if a Christian kills a man for Jesus (and they do it) that doesn't change the fact that they're a Christian. Crusades? Christian. Inquisition? Christian. Much as it sucks the proverbial ass, there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:07:20 EDT (#)
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Oh and "the good that Christianity does does not make the news?"
You don't watch the news. Especially not Fox- Fox had a series about Jesus, a series about the 'liberal assault on Christmas' a series about prayer in schools.
Christianity gets more backrubs from the media than Connie Chung's cousin
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:06:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:00:23 (#)
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Yes, but how can they sit there and claim to be "good" when they have the sorrid past they refuse to aknowledge openly. Also, there are WAAAAYYY more "good" God lovers than evil ones - but they BOTH act in the name of the SAME God.
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It's not in the name of Jesus, I can tell you that. Jesus even warned against those that would come as wolves in sheep's clothing. He warned against false prophets saying, "By their fruits you will know them."
In case you didn't read it:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/90598#2064347
If another person "fell under the knife", it wasn't by 'Christian' hands. And by condemning the actions of those claiming to be Christian for all those centuries, you are actually more 'Christian' than you think.
When I say "Christian", I mean those who understand the golden rule...those who understand and wish to live by the teachings of Jesus as an example. When someone says or does something that follows the teaching of Socrates, we call it "Socratic". When someone references something Plato said, we call it "Platonic", Drake, "Drakonian", Machiavelli, "Machiavellian", Christ..."Christian".
We wouldn't call someone who believed in creationism "Darwinian" would we? The same applies to those centuries of MURDERERS who called themselves "Christian". Those people may have CLAIMED to be Christians, but they were not. They were under the spell of a church that for a thousand years has been the ANTI-christ.
Walk into a Catholic church and you see nothing but ornate idolatry. They worship the image as much as the spirit. This is NOT Christianity!
You know...it's really really sad. I can't express with words how shitty it makes me feel to see where all this is going.
All I can say is, live a life that is worth living - one that has dignity and truth. Don't let the overwheling tides of wrong sweep you away with them. Stand up against them and make yourself an island in the midst of them.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:03:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:49:44 (#)
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I can't agree with your views of Christianity. It's not because I'm overly religious or because I may believe in God. The reason is you have displayed the evil side and ignored the fact that millions of people use religion to find hope in their lives, they use religion for good.
The fact is people will always prove their hate and ignorance if not in the name of God then in the name of a cause they feel is greater than their existence.
I think a conscientious believer will take into account that millions of atrocities have occurred in the name of God and learn from these hypocritical actions.
I think your choice to condem religion based on the evil side of religion is ignorant and closed-minded.
There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
The fact that you only see the bad side of religion is naive in my mind.
Please do not forget the history of two thousand years of people who use the Christian religion for personal growth when you declare it as totally evil.
Unfortunately the good that Christianity has brought people does not make the news.
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Listen, you sheepy twat: I want you to read what you just wrote and realize that it's not a positive endorsement of Christianity at all.
People USE religion- which means the rules will only apply when convenient. The acts of good perpetuated by Christianity are perpetuated as an excuse and are acts of convenience. Christian Charity is certainly an accomplished group, but it's a fucking joke. It's the least sincere charity available. Do you think it's cool to waste charity money going to AIDS-ridden African nations on building CHURCHES?? For fuck's sake, how bout some god-damned food!! Or medicine!
Religion isn't about a good side and an evil side- it's about a series of excuses, alibis, and neuroses. People who are good because "God" tells them to aren't being good- did you ever apologize to your sister or something because your parents told you to? Was that a sincere action?
Religion doesn't make people grow. It makes people do the bare minimum without thinking about it beyond "this is God's plan." You see an atheist doing an act of charity, you know that's a good person, because they're doing it because THEY BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT not because some bullshit deity said so.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 15:01:27 EDT (#)
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There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
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Did you even read the post? Or just look at the pictures and make a judgement.
He was pointing out that there was this 'evil' that you are talking about, or were you too blinded by the opportunity to say something that you deemed intelligent to see that.
It was a retort to something that ETS said, and a good one at that.
Maybe if you had learned how to read in the last 2 years you spent here then we would all be doing better.
Fucking tool.
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Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:49:44 (#)
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I can't agree with your views of Christianity. It's not because I'm overly religious or because I may believe in God. The reason is you have displayed the evil side and ignored the fact that millions of people use religion to find hope in their lives, they use religion for good.
The fact is people will always prove their hate and ignorance if not in the name of God then in the name of a cause they feel is greater than their existence.
I think a conscientious believer will take into account that millions of atrocities have occurred in the name of God and learn from these hypocritical actions.
I think your choice to condem religion based on the evil side of religion is ignorant and closed-minded.
There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
The fact that you only see the bad side of religion is naive in my mind.
Please do not forget the history of two thousand years of people who use the Christian religion for personal growth when you declare it as totally evil.
Unfortunately the good that Christianity has brought people does not make the news.
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Yes, but how can they sit there and claim to be "good" when they have the sorrid past they refuse to aknowledge openly. Also, there are WAAAAYYY more "good" God lovers than evil ones - but they BOTH act in the name of the SAME God.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:56:51 EDT (#)
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In the Book of Esther the Jews get real excited and kill 144,000 people.
Bigotry is in the Bible, too.
Submitted by livEvil (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:50:12 EDT (#)
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where can i get a rubberband that says "what will foolproof do?"
+2 for remindind me of APC.
Submitted by mles76 (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:49:44 EDT (#)
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I can't agree with your views of Christianity. It's not because I'm overly religious or because I may believe in God. The reason is you have displayed the evil side and ignored the fact that millions of people use religion to find hope in their lives, they use religion for good.
The fact is people will always prove their hate and ignorance if not in the name of God then in the name of a cause they feel is greater than their existence.
I think a conscientious believer will take into account that millions of atrocities have occurred in the name of God and learn from these hypocritical actions.
I think your choice to condem religion based on the evil side of religion is ignorant and closed-minded.
There will always be that balance between good and evil, it's how the world works.
The fact that you only see the bad side of religion is naive in my mind.
Please do not forget the history of two thousand years of people who use the Christian religion for personal growth when you declare it as totally evil.
Unfortunately the good that Christianity has brought people does not make the news.
Submitted by the_lone_stranger (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:49:12 EDT (#)
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My take on the BS:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/39866
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:37:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:05:58 (#)
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I'm not attacking Jesus (Hey-soose), but if "they" praise him, and claim to strive to be like him - well then, let's get back to basics.
To me, Jesus seemed like a guy that would bail you out of jail - a decent fellow.
Now they take him and use him as an excuse and a reason for bigotry and hate. He taught love and compassion.
Don't call yourself a Christian if you don't have love and compassion for everybody.
Example - ETS.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/90598#2064347
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:37:01 EDT (#)
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I SUCK ASS AT WRITING
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:36:48 EDT (#)
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They once was a chap named Foolproof
Sometimes, his posts were really aloof.
His name's hard to ryhme,
Its a waste of my time,
Now I look like a goof.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:29:29 EDT (#)
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Here are some of the other great devices they used back in the day: http://www.ubersite.com/m/88644
Linkwhore, AWAY!
Submitted by OdwinOddball (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:23:52 EDT (#)
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Hooray for Christian Hypocrisy! :(
Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:20:35 EDT (#)
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And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:19:07 EDT (#)
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I think this is pertinent:
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:09:55 EDT (#)
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Yesum.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:09:25 EDT (#)
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I like it and I like you.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:08:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:05:58 (#)
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I'm not attacking Jesus (Hey-soose), but if "they" praise him, and claim to strive to be like him - well then, let's get back to basics.
To me, Jesus seemed like a guy that would bail you out of jail - a decent fellow.
Now they take him and use him as an excuse and a reason for bigotry and hate. He taught love and compassion.
Don't call yourself a Christian if you don't have love and compassion for everybody.
Example - ETS.
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Fair enough, I'll go with that.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:08:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:58:52 (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:57:57 (#)
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Just what we need, an ETS groupie.
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Uh, this is an attack on ETS's "beliefs".
Missed that train, did we?
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I don't give a shit about his 'beliefs' or yours, Potsie.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:05:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:02:36 (#)
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Actually, you've misunderstood. And I say that as someone who has utter, utter contempt for organised religion.
His phrasing was unfortunate, but I'm sure most people can agree that the central premise of jesus' teaching is a good one. That has nothing to do with the christian church, which is possibly one of the most corrupt organisations to ever exist.
99% of the people who call themselves christians do not follow the teachings of jesus. The whole love thy neighbour, turning the other cheek bit. As stupid as it may sound, the christian church has demonstrated little to no actual christianity. Let's not confuse the actions of a power-hungry, bigoted organisation with a philosophy that even a child can see makes good sense.
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No, you've misunderstood.
I'm not attacking Jesus (Hey-soose), but if "they" praise him, and claim to strive to be like him - well then, let's get back to basics.
To me, Jesus seemed like a guy that would bail you out of jail - a decent fellow.
Now they take him and use him as an excuse and a reason for bigotry and hate. He taught love and compassion.
Don't call yourself a Christian if you don't have love and compassion for everybody.
Example - ETS.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:02:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Actually, you've misunderstood. And I say that as someone who has utter, utter contempt for organised religion.
His phrasing was unfortunate, but I'm sure most people can agree that the central premise of jesus' teaching is a good one. That has nothing to do with the christian church, which is possibly one of the most corrupt organisations to ever exist.
99% of the people who call themselves christians do not follow the teachings of jesus. The whole love thy neighbour, turning the other cheek bit. As stupid as it may sound, the christian church has demonstrated little to no actual christianity. Let's not confuse the actions of a power-hungry, bigoted organisation with a philosophy that even a child can see makes good sense.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:01:26 EDT (#)
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Don't even get me started...
Submitted by GetNakeddd (user info) at 2006-07-18 14:00:52 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:58:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:57:57 (#)
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Just what we need, an ETS groupie.
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Uh, this is an attack on ETS's "beliefs".
Missed that train, did we?
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:57:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Just what we need, an ETS groupie.
Submitted by pirate_pipi (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:55:10 EDT (#)
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People like that terrify me.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:54:10 EDT (#)
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Fucking Ralph Reed is running for Lieutenant Governor of Georgia. I have to see his freakishly childlike face on TV every time I turn it on.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:53:15 EDT (#)
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Appropriate.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:52:40 EDT (#)
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Well done.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:51:25 EDT (#)
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Slushie machine broke.
Those poor people.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:49:59 EDT (#)
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FUCKING AWESOME POST.
AND
Have a +2 for this:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/18/mumbai.blasts/index.html
"Mumbai mourns its '7/11' victims"
AHAHAHAHAHA 7/11
AHAHAHAHAHA
DOES ANYONE READ THE HEADLINES BEFORE THEY POST THE ARTICLE.
HA
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:49:03 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-07-18 13:48:55 EDT (#)
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At this very moment, I love you.
That feeling will probably change in 20 minutes but enjoy it while you've got it.