A synopsis of Pre-WWIII North America (2203 hits)
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Submitted by marginwalker (View user info) at 2006-07-21 13:42:14 EDT
I don't understand whats going on anymore.
I don't know where my country went - where it's going.
Last weekend Canadian Air Forces dropped vital supplies to troops deployed in Afghanistan.
Canada hasn't dropped supplies to troops since the Korean war, because since then they've been deployed under neutral circumstances.
Its a whole new ball game now.
Now we have body bags.
Now we have funerals with flags and 21 gun salutes.
Now we have 22 year old men dead because they were told the colors of the Canadian Military were international symbols of peaceful aide.
22 Years is too young to die.
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48 hours ago the Canadian Government brought over 200 vacationers back from war-torn Lebanon.
And more coming.
But there's 1000's still waiting - women and children.
Canada hasn't evacuated citizens in numbers so large since it removed troops from the beaches of Dieppe during WWII.
Coming home; Home free; Free of charge.
Unlike our American neighbours - who were forced to sign waivers promising to pay for whatever charges their Government incurred to bring them back to their homeland.
Down South - Where Mr. Bush has begun erecting camps consisting of detainment tents to house all the possible illegal immigrants in the U S of A.
Detainment camps.
Up in a flurry - to house the increasing number of suspect citizens being held in captivity. The number of detainees is set to rise to 27,500 per night by next fall; a $250 million dollar market increase for private corporations.
Basically all citizens of Mexican, Arabian, (let's cut to the chase) Non-American descent are a potential threat to national security.
It doesn't matter if they turn out to be legal citizens or not - the new catch phrase is "Guilty until proven Innocent"
But it seems to me Mr. Bush does a lot of things ass-backwards.
Like his whole administration, basically.
I tried to find a picture of the camps going up in Raymondville, Texas (Check The National Post, July 20, 2006 edition in Financial Post section, PageFP7).
But its impossible to find anything on the internet; seems to be censored, sort of on the hush-hush.
Seems to me a lot of things are on the hush-hush as of late.
Remind you of something? Hmmm.... sort of like Nazi Germany?
What the fuck is going on? No really - what the FUCK is going on here?
Bush can haul these people into camps now? And hold them until the poorly funded Public Justice system has time to decide whether or not they have the right to walk down the dirty, dirty streets of America?
The skeletal Civil Rights system against the Corporate Monsters running these jailhouses.
Those detained and suspect of "illegal alien" status don't even have the perks granted under basic Criminal Rights - such as a lawyer, or one phone call.
They're not being held under any specific criminal violation, and therefore are not considered criminals.
No chance to even contact help.
No phone call home.
The most disgusting part is the trend in the US markets since these detainment centres have gone up. Market analysts are advising clients to INVEST in Corrections.
People are being detained on account of skin color, on account of religion;
detained and silenced by Corporate America.
And the Rich keep getting richer.
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Our Prime Minister has spoken out against long time neutral allies in the recent situation in the East;
Spoken out against the interests of his own people.
Our Prime Minister has aligned us with the enemy.
Our Prime Minister has aped every word floating upwind from the south -
and ignored the words of his country.
But not to worry! Our Prime Minister is
"insulted being compared to Mr Bush"
- quotes Readers Digest;
"Not that I have anything against the man. But the only similarity is the SUV in our drive way."
What is going on here?
We need to draw a line -
Between what we're fed,
and what we inherently feel.
A line between the end we're headed for
and the beginning we need create.
And we need to do it now.
Before our right to make a phone call is removed on the grounds of skin color and religious preference.
On the upside? That's at least a $250 million dollar market considering Canada's history consists of a thousand colors.
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The semblances between present day North America and Pre-Nazi Germany are more than a little disturbing.
People sluff it off because they think they won't feel it; that the absurdities we read about in countries outside our own are far enough away to not worry.
But with each passing day, Mr. Harper erases more and more lines, another inch or two of that symbolic, but no-less-important border.......
The horrors across the ocean and across the border are going to be knocking on your back door.....
I've been crying myself to sleep for the last week. I dont know who to cry to on this one. I don't know who to talk to anymore. I dont know who will listen.
I truly believe we are on the brink of major disaster.
Connect the dots - draw the parallels: Our economy is on the verge of recession, our military is in battle for the first time in decades, our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist.
But there's a new spin folks - this time Mother Nature is against us too.
I'm past the point of anger now.
Now I'm just plain scared.
- J. C
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-12 13:30:39 EST (#)
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There is a word to describe people like you... Actually a few words.
First: Coward.
Second: Ignorant.
When you combine the first and second word, and the masses are in agreement with you, as you claim, there will be a new word to describe you in the near future.
Dhimmi.
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-10-23 16:09:32 EDT (#)
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I think I love you
Submitted by LSD420 (user info) at 2006-08-15 15:49:31 EDT (#)
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+2 for awesome
Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-28 16:08:40 EDT (#)
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Thanks for slapping a personal touch on this piece of shit post.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-07-26 01:53:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:46:49 (#)
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Your source cites ASYLUM seekers - those are technically legal immigrants since their status has not been resolved.
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Make that distinction here and you'd be an un-Australian traitorous Muslim apologist.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-07-25 18:34:38 EDT (#)
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Just because Harper is more right wing than Paul Martin doesn't mean he is trying to erase the border.
See, this was a good post, while somewhat incoherent.
I like the randomness and the whole not starting out by saying 'this is in response to something on another post'.
Keep up the craziness, i am pretty sure that we are political polar opposites but if you are interested here is the most politcal post I have done:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/73442
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-25 13:54:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-25 13:28:07 (#)
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is anyone else consistenly annoyed when people sign their posts or reviews? Everyone knows who you fucking are, there's no reason to say it again.
I'm talking to you, asshole!
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It's a way of personalizing it.
If that's your biggest qualm, Get bent.
Submitted by boomslang (user info) at 2006-07-25 13:28:07 EDT (#)
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is anyone else consistenly annoyed when people sign their posts or reviews? Everyone knows who you fucking are, there's no reason to say it again.
I'm talking to you, asshole!
Submitted by JDL (user info) at 2006-07-24 22:24:53 EDT (#)
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Everything is gay. But that's the whole point--
It teaches us humility.
We are so stupid.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:46:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:47:44 (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:54:05 (#)
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The funny thing is the number of illegal immigrants has DECREASED by 50,000 since 1990
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AHAHAHAHAHA!
That settles it.
You are a perma-retard.
APPRHENSIONS have decreased, because Border Patrol has tightened down with more fences and patrol in urban areas - all that means is that immigration has moved into the deserts.
Here's my source - this Saturday's Union-Tribune
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060722-9999-1n22crossers.html
Don't think you know more about illegal immigration than me, son - ain't gonna happen.
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I'm a perma-retard??? This post has nothing to do with "heat related fatalities". That's a weak source, my friend.
Here's a more reliable one, from Stats America, reflecting what I've said:
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/publications/Refugee_Asylee_5.pdf
I'm sure the apprehensions to actual immigrants ratio has increased BECAUSE of more severe measures to "Fight terrorism".
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Closer - but still bullshit.
Your source cites ASYLUM seekers - those are technically legal immigrants since their status has not been resolved.
I see you failed to read my source - if you would have, you would have read the part about how most border crossers don't get caught due to the remote terrain they cross in.
I remember in 1990 how illegal immigration used to go - you would about 200-300 Mexicans lined up on the the Mexican side of Interstate 5, and then, like in a 5000m foorrace, they would ALL take off running over the border scattering everywhere - 6 or 7 would get caught, leaving the other 293 good to go.
This used to happen EVERY DAY.
I'm so glad you know so much about immigration, tell me, where in Canada are you? I can arrange to let it be known among the immigrant community that your town is a great place to be, no seriously, I can do that for you, it's not a problem.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:28:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:23:45 (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:15:47 (#)
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thats funny, all articles are archived for many months if not years.. very odd that all of a sudden you can't find it.
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A lot of papers publish articles that don't automatically get put onto their website.
Easiest way to end the debate would be to scan the hardcopy.
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That's precisely what I'll do - I'll post it tomorrow.
And filthy - my original statement regarding immigration should not have included "Illegal" - obviously there's no way to record that until they're apprehended, at which time I imagine they would apply for Asylee status.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:24:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:15:47 (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:18:54 (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:19:07 (#)
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They are called conspiracy theorys for a reason.. cause it is just theory.
When stating a theory you need the following...
1. Proof
2. More Proof
3. Proof of the Proof
You provided none, you claim you have pictures... well link us to them. Oh wait, you forgot the link, well guess what dummy, its called photosite.com, mypsace.com, photos.com ALL FREE. So when you have some real links to what you claim then I'll listen, till then your just another conspiracy nut. Also, I want to see there articles.
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As previously stated, it was in a national Canadian publication - "The National Post". The article was taken from the New York times. I searched both websites and could not find the article I read in the hard copy. The Article ws titled "A Private Upside to a Public Crackdown"
This post was merely a response to what the article. Not an attempt an attempt some kind of "conspiracy" theory. Take it for what it's worth. If I wouldn't have happened to stumble across it, I would not have had any knowledge of it either.
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thats funny, all articles are archived for many months if not years.. very odd that all of a sudden you can't find it.
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Certain articles are archived, and certain articles in the actual hardcopy are not posted on the website.
I have no reason to make this shit up. I saw what I saw. There's temporary detainment camps going up whether you want to believe it or not.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:23:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:15:47 (#)
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thats funny, all articles are archived for many months if not years.. very odd that all of a sudden you can't find it.
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A lot of papers publish articles that don't automatically get put onto their website.
Easiest way to end the debate would be to scan the hardcopy.
Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 17:15:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:18:54 (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:19:07 (#)
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They are called conspiracy theorys for a reason.. cause it is just theory.
When stating a theory you need the following...
1. Proof
2. More Proof
3. Proof of the Proof
You provided none, you claim you have pictures... well link us to them. Oh wait, you forgot the link, well guess what dummy, its called photosite.com, mypsace.com, photos.com ALL FREE. So when you have some real links to what you claim then I'll listen, till then your just another conspiracy nut. Also, I want to see there articles.
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As previously stated, it was in a national Canadian publication - "The National Post". The article was taken from the New York times. I searched both websites and could not find the article I read in the hard copy. The Article ws titled "A Private Upside to a Public Crackdown"
This post was merely a response to what the article. Not an attempt an attempt some kind of "conspiracy" theory. Take it for what it's worth. If I wouldn't have happened to stumble across it, I would not have had any knowledge of it either.
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thats funny, all articles are archived for many months if not years.. very odd that all of a sudden you can't find it.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-24 16:00:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:47:44 (#)
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I'm a perma-retard??? This post has nothing to do with "heat related fatalities". That's a weak source, my friend.
Here's a more reliable one, from Stats America, reflecting what I've said:
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/publications/Refugee_Asylee_5.pdf
I'm sure the apprehensions to actual immigrants ratio has increased BECAUSE of more severe measures to "Fight terrorism".
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Refugees and asylees are not the same thing as illegal immigrants. If you are a refugee or an asylee, you are asking to be let into the country on the grounds that it is not safe for you at home - refugees are outside the country when they ask, asylees are inside. If you're an illegal immigrant you're just walking in and hoping to remain undetected.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:47:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:54:05 (#)
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The funny thing is the number of illegal immigrants has DECREASED by 50,000 since 1990
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AHAHAHAHAHA!
That settles it.
You are a perma-retard.
APPRHENSIONS have decreased, because Border Patrol has tightened down with more fences and patrol in urban areas - all that means is that immigration has moved into the deserts.
Here's my source - this Saturday's Union-Tribune
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060722-9999-1n22crossers.html
Don't think you know more about illegal immigration than me, son - ain't gonna happen.
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I'm a perma-retard??? This post has nothing to do with "heat related fatalities". That's a weak source, my friend.
Here's a more reliable one, from Stats America, reflecting what I've said:
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/publications/Refugee_Asylee_5.pdf
I'm sure the apprehensions to actual immigrants ratio has increased BECAUSE of more severe measures to "Fight terrorism".
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:18:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:19:07 (#)
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They are called conspiracy theorys for a reason.. cause it is just theory.
When stating a theory you need the following...
1. Proof
2. More Proof
3. Proof of the Proof
You provided none, you claim you have pictures... well link us to them. Oh wait, you forgot the link, well guess what dummy, its called photosite.com, mypsace.com, photos.com ALL FREE. So when you have some real links to what you claim then I'll listen, till then your just another conspiracy nut. Also, I want to see there articles.
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As previously stated, it was in a national Canadian publication - "The National Post". The article was taken from the New York times. I searched both websites and could not find the article I read in the hard copy. The Article ws titled "A Private Upside to a Public Crackdown"
This post was merely a response to what the article. Not an attempt an attempt some kind of "conspiracy" theory. Take it for what it's worth. If I wouldn't have happened to stumble across it, I would not have had any knowledge of it either.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:55:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:30:44 (#)
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you can't just say scary things and expect anyone to believe any of it. stop being so melodramatic. yes the next ww is coming, probably within the next 15-20 years. but its' going to be in the mid east, not america. so chill. it's not like canada does anything anyway.
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Stop being so dismissive. Take a look around, and you might become alarmed as well.
Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:35:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:30:44 (#)
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you can't just say scary things and expect anyone to believe any of it. stop being so melodramatic. yes the next ww is coming, probably within the next 15-20 years. but its' going to be in the mid east, not america. so chill. it's not like canada does anything anyway.
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You are aware that Canada help with the D-Day invasion correct?
Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:30:44 EDT (#)
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you can't just say scary things and expect anyone to believe any of it. stop being so melodramatic. yes the next ww is coming, probably within the next 15-20 years. but its' going to be in the mid east, not america. so chill. it's not like canada does anything anyway.
Submitted by GDR (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:19:07 EDT (#)
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They are called conspiracy theorys for a reason.. cause it is just theory.
When stating a theory you need the following...
1. Proof
2. More Proof
3. Proof of the Proof
You provided none, you claim you have pictures... well link us to them. Oh wait, you forgot the link, well guess what dummy, its called photosite.com, mypsace.com, photos.com ALL FREE. So when you have some real links to what you claim then I'll listen, till then your just another conspiracy nut. Also, I want to see there articles.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:54:05 EDT (#)
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The funny thing is the number of illegal immigrants has DECREASED by 50,000 since 1990
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AHAHAHAHAHA!
That settles it.
You are a perma-retard.
APPRHENSIONS have decreased, because Border Patrol has tightened down with more fences and patrol in urban areas - all that means is that immigration has moved into the deserts.
Here's my source - this Saturday's Union-Tribune
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060722-9999-1n22crossers.html
Don't think you know more about illegal immigration than me, son - ain't gonna happen.
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:52:04 EDT (#)
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Damn. And I was going to escape to Canada.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-24 10:52:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-23 21:36:22 (#)
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Shut up you dumb canuck. What you're experiencing is the pains of having a leader who actually has a pair dangling, rather than the hopeless eunechs you normally elect. For once, Canada is actually putting it out there in the world, showing that it's not content to sit in the shade like America Jr. and let big brother do all the heavy lifting, and for once I'm not looking at Toronto as a fine place to store our spent nuclear fuel rods. If you don't have any balls for the future, just shut up and go to work every day. At least pull the weight of your own dead ass.
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Actually what pains me is having a Prime Minister who so desperately wants to emulate Bush.
Incase you havent noticed because your head is shoved too far up your ass, Bush has made America the laughing stock of, oh, the whole god damn planet.
THAT'S what pains me.
"E" for effort, you redneck fuck wad.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-24 08:47:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:32:39 (#)
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Indoninja?
Why do you get so much satisfaction in being such an annoying fucking shit disturber? You are obscenely smart and from what I have seen you typically agree with what people are saying... but then you semantically rip them apart on some of the stupidest INSIGNIFICANT points I have ever seen. You muddy up any discourse you "participate" in with your disruptive brand of horseshit. Fucking hell. Why is it so difficult to be a positive contributing member of society? Devil's advocation is one thing... but you come off looking no better than a childish school yard bully. It would be such a treat if you were to stop being such a belligerent useless cunt.
You won't, of course. But I just wanted to vent. Fuck you.
ANYways, you are obviously good people Mr. Marginwalker. Keep on keeping on.
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Agree with what she is saying? Where did I do that?
This post was a pile of shit.
She makes up baseless accusations about america launching some sort of detentions program where anybody not white will be held. It is 100% made up bullshit.
Take two seconds to look up what america does with illegal immigrants and you would understand the issue. Everyday we release thousands of these people who are breaking our laws because it is not seen as a priority. We are well within our rights to throw them in prison and deport them. Filling these camps would in no way require people to be randomly picked up off the street.
Comparing bush to hitler because of this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on the internet.
It isn't an insignificant part of her post, it was the heart of it.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-24 03:50:52 EDT (#)
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Hey you fantastic canuck.
Don't mind cunty McFucknuts down there- he's just a caustic asshole who has deepthroated one too many talking points.
People like that need to be beaten. Far to ignorant for any sort of meaningful conversation. Quite smart though- the worst kind of idiot.
ANYways, I was off on Vancouver Island this weekend so I didn't get chance to respond to you... but I will hopefully get a chance tomorrow!
until then...
r.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-23 21:43:54 EDT (#)
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And by the way, it's SLOUGH it off, not SLUFF It off. I usually don't stoop to appraisals of a persons grammar and spelling, but going back through some of your other posts, you make continuous referrals to people being uneducated. Try a word-a-day calendar, you dumb bitch (see, I used a comma before the clause).
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-23 21:36:22 EDT (#)
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Shut up you dumb canuck. What you're experiencing is the pains of having a leader who actually has a pair dangling, rather than the hopeless eunechs you normally elect. For once, Canada is actually putting it out there in the world, showing that it's not content to sit in the shade like America Jr. and let big brother do all the heavy lifting, and for once I'm not looking at Toronto as a fine place to store our spent nuclear fuel rods. If you don't have any balls for the future, just shut up and go to work every day. At least pull the weight of your own dead ass.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-22 19:13:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 14:38:47 (#)
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We just seem to be running a little short on time.... tick.... tick.... tick.... and are battling rampant apathy, widespread distraction and the stubbornly retarded.
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My predicaments EXACTLY. I've always been dead set on a path to encourage everyone to think critically and question everything - including themselves. I was of the mind psychology was a good way to go - talk therapy, cognitive research, etc. What better way to capitalize on your full mental potential than have a thorough understanding of the anomaly the human brain is.
But my passion is politics - and my goal, like yours, is awareness.
The cliche "change starts on a personal level" was my philosophy for a long time - hence the reason psych was appealing. I've always wanted to change things. I truly believe everyone has the potential - it's just what you do with it.
But this is a ticking time bomb. There's no time anymore to coddle the reluctant and feed peopel in small doses. This shit is getting seriousl
You have marketing experience, and that's a VERY useful skill. I've spent the last 5 years of my life working in a Corporate law firm - and begin law school next year.
I want the ability to fuck the system from the inside out.
A few more on board, and this could be a successful endeavor.
Project accountability is an awesome start. THe bottom line is, the list of problems is endless - and organization will be a key factor here. The most imminent problems need to be identified. BUt I think the initial requirement is probably more your area - selling the idea to people.
Like we've both agreed - it needs to be kept simple. When things get too complex, in depth, and muddled, people get discouraged and lose interest.
So in my mind, the objective has to be short (though not necessarily simple) and sweet.
And most importantly, it has to be positive. People don't like the "End of the World" scare tactic because it's so terribly unpleasant to think about. Therefore they won't.
There has to be a personal connection. People have to be aware of just how close to home this is.
And they have to feel as though they can impact it. I think half the reason people avoid the topic is largely because they feel they'll never be able to alter it.
Where does one begin? That question plagues me all too often. It's a matter of amassing a large number of people under a common pretext. A common characteristic undeniable in every human being.
That's a task in itself though, because people are just so fucking disconnected.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 14:38:47 EDT (#)
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Unfortunately for me, marketing has never been my gig.
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Ahh.. but see for me? Marketing IS my gig.
Well sorta. I'm a self-titled Creative director for a boutique ad-agency I started with a couple partners.
We specialize in on-line interactive- I'm a flash animator, have been since Macromedia released version 2. We do lots of cool shit.
Client work is first priority. (more of that having to pay rent and just basically 'survive' thing) However, lately while I >should< be working on business plans, our own website, and just generally things to move our business forward... but I find that I am here. On this site. Spewing out my own brand of rhetoric. Trying to come up with some sort of plan. Sometimes trying to badger people into discussion.
Does that make financial sense? Absolutely not.
But for me... for some reason it just seems like its something I need to do. I look around this world and I get angry. Individually we are generally all quite wonderful human beings and range from the spectacular all the way down to annoyingly benign. There are only ever a small number of really stupid malignant fuckers that should probably be beaten for the good of society... but my firm belief is that if politics were easier and the information that people required to intelligently talk about politics was a lot less polluted, and everything was highly organized and presented in an engaging, fun manner- people would actually become smarter.
Once we achieve a higher level of 'smart'- we can start holding our elected officials accountable. Hopefully we realize our stupidity and we ALL become much more active in the political world.
That's really going to be the only way... and it shouldn't be that tough- once we get some good momentum. The subject matter is certainly compelling and relevant enough.
We just seem to be running a little short on time.... tick.... tick.... tick.... and are battling rampant apathy, widespread distraction and the stubbornly retarded.
You know as far as dreams go- why couldn't mine just be a new fucking Porsche? I had to pick 'awareness'. DOH!
Ah well. I did go and register www.projectaccountability.com - I have no idea what to do with it, mind you. Any thoughts?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-22 13:31:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:56:38 (#)
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"I just wish there was an easier way to make light of the fact that the only REAL conspiracy is the constructs of present day society."
Um.
Yeah. Wow. Kinda hard to make that light and fluffy.
Although I think just talking about it helps. But not only online. Sure all of us nerds give a shit.... but these sort of conversations need to be had at lunch time. On breaks, riding home on the bus. At the bar.
I understand that society is filled with all SORTS of mindless distractions that are far more engaging than discussing politics and religion... but that's what we need.
The simple answer is get 'em talking.
As well, as far as I can tell, it needs to be super entertaining. Look at the Daily Show- education through entertainment.
That type of biting comic wit and brutal observation mixed with hardcore investigative reporting needs to be applied to ALL of the news that is happening around the world. I think the surest and ONLY way to accomplish this is through the media... and online media is free and openly accessible by everyone. Fuck mainstream outlets. Capitalistic Organizations whoring out their own brand of information. It's disgusting.
Strive for accountability. Make it fun. Push transparency and diligently follow ALL elements of relevant news. Online.
I suggested a kick ass website a little while ago... but that met with a rather tepid response. There are some sites out there, but it's just not jazzy, or coherent enough.
I still think that would be the best avenue for organizing a relevant awareness campaign.
r.
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You're absolutely right. But no matter which vehicle you use to spread your message, it's tough one to get people to open their ears.
Accountability is most definetely the key. Proof of malpractice within government is readily apparent, and often made obvious by the culprits themselves.
The problem is in interpretation of action, and the background knowledge required to form an accurate opinion.
Allow me to elaborate:
In my experience campaigning my convictions, to both those I know personally and those I know nothing of, I find it's NOT that people really DONT CARE per se - it's merely that there are things that interest them more. Let's face it: most people's free time is constrained by other responsibilities - so if you're not inherently drawn/interested to a certain topic, there's little reason to spend significant time dabbling in it.
So a lot of people dont truly understand the severity of our current situation for the same reasons I know little of astrophysics - my interests are drawn elsewhere.
The above is why the internet can potentially be extremely useful. It's arguably the LEAST time consuming method of gathering information and communicating on a massive scale. If information is made readily accessible, and "packaged" in an attractive way, it's a sure-as-shit success.
I mean, look at how easily big business convinces people all these gidgets and gazmos are necessary to survival by making them appealing to certain facets of existence. Surely there's room for politics in there.
Unfortunately for me, marketing has never been my gig.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:33:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:03:19 (#)
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+1 although it didn't make me smile.
WWIII is not scheduled until December of 2012, so you have time.
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You can bet the Pentagon will be staging practice manouvers of world war being declared at exactly the time world war is declared, so only 10 jets are covering the entire of the northern US and NORAD thinks that the planes flying into the trade centre are ...
Sorry, got my stories mixed up there!
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:56:38 EDT (#)
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"I just wish there was an easier way to make light of the fact that the only REAL conspiracy is the constructs of present day society."
Um.
Yeah. Wow. Kinda hard to make that light and fluffy.
Although I think just talking about it helps. But not only online. Sure all of us nerds give a shit.... but these sort of conversations need to be had at lunch time. On breaks, riding home on the bus. At the bar.
I understand that society is filled with all SORTS of mindless distractions that are far more engaging than discussing politics and religion... but that's what we need.
The simple answer is get 'em talking.
As well, as far as I can tell, it needs to be super entertaining. Look at the Daily Show- education through entertainment.
That type of biting comic wit and brutal observation mixed with hardcore investigative reporting needs to be applied to ALL of the news that is happening around the world. I think the surest and ONLY way to accomplish this is through the media... and online media is free and openly accessible by everyone. Fuck mainstream outlets. Capitalistic Organizations whoring out their own brand of information. It's disgusting.
Strive for accountability. Make it fun. Push transparency and diligently follow ALL elements of relevant news. Online.
I suggested a kick ass website a little while ago... but that met with a rather tepid response. There are some sites out there, but it's just not jazzy, or coherent enough.
I still think that would be the best avenue for organizing a relevant awareness campaign.
r.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:31:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-22 01:52:45 (#)
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"MS" Marginwalker.
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>ACK!<
I am terribly sorry!
How presumptive. (Gosh-darn anonymity!)
'Tis noted.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:10:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:04:11 (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:56:06 (#)
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Nobody has ever told anyone that the Canadian Forces are a force of peaceful aid.
The purpose of a military is to kill shit, and occasionally be killed.
Only in Canada is anyone stupid enough to believe that no one dies in a war.
Jesus, this country pisses me off some days.
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Are you daft?
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Are you British?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 02:37:33 EDT (#)
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Wait a fucking minute...
Why do you assholes think that everyone who comes along with half a brain and an interest in the fucking truth is me? Is it just convenient for you to think that there aren't MILLIONS of people out there just like me who see this shit and are willing to speak out about it?
Give me a fucking break and get the fuck over it. I have way more to do with my time than fuck with you idiots' heads all day. I know it might not seem like it, but I do.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-22 01:52:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:32:39 (#)
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ANYways, you are obviously good people Mr. Marginwalker. Keep on keeping on.
r.
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"MS" Marginwalker.
Thank you for your comments, Rob.
I just wish there was an easier way to make light of the fact that the only REAL conspiracy is the constructs of present day society.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-22 01:46:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:19:57 (#)
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You're correct - in the past, people have been free to walk until proven innocent.
But not anymore. The Government now plans to detain more immigrants while they await hearing.
You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
You will see these changes in the next year as the Bush administration INCREASES the amount of people in detainment awaiting hearings.
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I am going to educate you, since you obviously are sorely in need of it.
I live in San Diego, so I see more illegal aliens in a single day than you've ever seen in your life, guaranteed.
Have you personally ever even SEEN an illegal alien?
The last one I saw, was about 7:30 this morning - there were a group of about 10 or so, hanging out next to the 7-11. That's where they wait to get work - white people pull up their pickup trucks, and illegally hire them, paying cash.
These people live in the nearby canyon - there actually used to be a small 'town' of several hundred, but the fire danger was too great, so they demolished the 'town' and dispered the inhabitants.
(btw, that is the ONLY way you can get rid of illegal immigrants in California - can't touch 'em if they are committing crimes, but if they are a threat to the environment, BOOM, they're gone.)
The illegal aliens still camp out in the canyons, and my local townspeople regularly complain to the police about the problems they cause, and the police can't do anything about it.
The police have special officers trained to deal with illegal aliens, in all of northern San Diego County (about 900 square miles), they have....TWO (2) police officers to cover that area.
So, can you do me a big favour? Can you find out where all these police and detention camps are, and send here to us in San Diego County? Cause we're _literally_ being overrun, and we could use the help.
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As mentioned in the post Jonny - check out Raymondville, Texas.
Here's another tip-off for you - Corrections Corp. of America and GEO Group (formerly Wakenhut Corections Corp.) are heavily involved. The price of their stocks have jumped 20% in the last two years - reflecting the fluctuating interest.
The funny thing is the number of illegal immigrants has DECREASED by 50,000 since 1990 (stats quoted from the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington)
It's a fucking farce. Ít's an "ease in" for what's to come.
It's so sad people fail to see the relevance in this information, and sluff it off as conspiracy theory.
The only conspiracy is the so-called "reality" you cling so tightly to.
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-07-22 01:37:13 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wingester1 (user info) at 2006-07-22 01:08:33 EDT (#)
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jus shut the fuck up! dickhead.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-22 00:43:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:43:11 (#)
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FYI, RobbieBaby, there is no such word as 'anyways'. The term is 'anyway'.
Cocksmoker. . .
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Actually, BubbieBaby, "anyways" happens to be a non-standard adverb meaning "in any case".
The term for you is 'ass-wipe'.
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-07-22 00:21:25 EDT (#)
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Who read "America: The Book?"
Anyone else reminded of the "Do You Mind if I Tell You How We Do it in Canada" insets?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:43:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:32:39 (#)
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Dude!
I happen to fully agree AND like reading such elaborate musings about the shit-state of the world today.
It's tough these days... so much fucking stupidity- so little willingness for the idiots to actually acknowledge, admit or even discuss in any effective sort of way.
Indoninja?
Why do you get so much satisfaction in being such an annoying fucking shit disturber? You are obscenely smart and from what I have seen you typically agree with what people are saying... but then you semantically rip them apart on some of the stupidest INSIGNIFICANT points I have ever seen. You muddy up any discourse you "participate" in with your disruptive brand of horseshit. Fucking hell. Why is it so difficult to be a positive contributing member of society? Devil's advocation is one thing... but you come off looking no better than a childish school yard bully. It would be such a treat if you were to stop being such a belligerent useless cunt.
You won't, of course. But I just wanted to vent. Fuck you.
ANYways, you are obviously good people Mr. Marginwalker. Keep on keeping on.
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FYI, RobbieBaby, there is no such word as 'anyways'. The term is 'anyway'.
Cocksmoker. . .
Submitted by Defect (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:39:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:28:58 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:18:20 (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:56 (#)
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Are you a US or Canadian resident? It seems Canada gets a much clearer look at the actual state of things from mainstream media (surprisingly) than Americans do.
Mind you the recent take over of CHUM LTD by Bell GlobeMedia will certainly change that.
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You get a clear picture?
You think we are picking people up off the street and throwing them in camps if they aren't white, or at least about to.
You are making claims about US immigration ploicy but it is abundantly clear you don't know a godamn thing about it, so please until you can grasp the basics of immigration in the US don't go accusing us of having an unclear picture.
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And indo, you're making claims about a government that you live under, and still don't have a clue about.
I can't be bothered to explain any further--so I'll paraphrase into a language you should understand,
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You should've saved that for jgreening. I don't see why everyone (indo) is going apeshit over his comparison to Hitler. You missed the whole fucking point of the post. The point is, we're fucked.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:32:39 EDT (#)
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Dude!
I happen to fully agree AND like reading such elaborate musings about the shit-state of the world today.
It's tough these days... so much fucking stupidity- so little willingness for the idiots to actually acknowledge, admit or even discuss in any effective sort of way.
Indoninja?
Why do you get so much satisfaction in being such an annoying fucking shit disturber? You are obscenely smart and from what I have seen you typically agree with what people are saying... but then you semantically rip them apart on some of the stupidest INSIGNIFICANT points I have ever seen. You muddy up any discourse you "participate" in with your disruptive brand of horseshit. Fucking hell. Why is it so difficult to be a positive contributing member of society? Devil's advocation is one thing... but you come off looking no better than a childish school yard bully. It would be such a treat if you were to stop being such a belligerent useless cunt.
You won't, of course. But I just wanted to vent. Fuck you.
ANYways, you are obviously good people Mr. Marginwalker. Keep on keeping on.
r.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-21 22:04:48 EDT (#)
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If I could read, I'd be cool. :(
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-21 21:27:30 EDT (#)
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God, this banter back and forth si so herky-jerky it's hilarious.
I just wonder how people are able to get WiFi in their concrete and aluminum foil bunkers...
Submitted by sublime (user info) at 2006-07-21 21:21:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 21:05:30 (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:34:10 (#)
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Now - though your example is relevant, it's hardly comparable. You cannot deny it's alarming that in an industrialized, "democratic" country, people can be detained SOLELY on the basis of race/religion/ethnic decent.
It's a little bit different than ONE INDIVIDUAL being detained for possible involvement with pre-meditated murder.
I'm not trying to argue. This post was inspired from my amazement at what could eventually come to resemble the mass detainment and genocide that occured under Hitler's command because he was leery of the Jewish.
Bush and Hitler seem to share similar capacity when it comes to rational thinking. You can't argue that.
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Ok please focus here, try and find me one example of someone detained soley on their race/religion/ethnic decent. If you can I will find you a lawsuit being filed by the ACLU.
Once again when Hitler came to power were Jews having huge rallies in the streets?
Did Hitler observ Jewish holidays at the white house? Did he speak and meet with national councils for jews?
Your comparison is so fucking stupid it would be laughable, except that there are other people on here ignorant enough to believe it.
So if you buy into all this blood for money, the US Govt caused 9/11, and is planning war with Iran etc, how do your camps fit into that? Wouldn't we want mexican allies? More importantly south american allies (where a fair amount of our illegals are from)? what is the master plan alienate the entire world?
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judging by the idiocy of your banter, it's clear none of you have seen "Born in East L.A" starring cheech marin, it addresses the issue suberbly, including a man who thinks jesus is the voice on the answering machine
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092690/
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-21 21:09:26 EDT (#)
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Keep on doin'it, Bradley. :)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 21:05:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:34:10 (#)
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Now - though your example is relevant, it's hardly comparable. You cannot deny it's alarming that in an industrialized, "democratic" country, people can be detained SOLELY on the basis of race/religion/ethnic decent.
It's a little bit different than ONE INDIVIDUAL being detained for possible involvement with pre-meditated murder.
I'm not trying to argue. This post was inspired from my amazement at what could eventually come to resemble the mass detainment and genocide that occured under Hitler's command because he was leery of the Jewish.
Bush and Hitler seem to share similar capacity when it comes to rational thinking. You can't argue that.
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Ok please focus here, try and find me one example of someone detained soley on their race/religion/ethnic decent. If you can I will find you a lawsuit being filed by the ACLU.
Once again when Hitler came to power were Jews having huge rallies in the streets?
Did Hitler observ Jewish holidays at the white house? Did he speak and meet with national councils for jews?
Your comparison is so fucking stupid it would be laughable, except that there are other people on here ignorant enough to believe it.
So if you buy into all this blood for money, the US Govt caused 9/11, and is planning war with Iran etc, how do your camps fit into that? Wouldn't we want mexican allies? More importantly south american allies (where a fair amount of our illegals are from)? what is the master plan alienate the entire world?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 20:38:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:24:01 (#)
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Oh and one last thing, Indoninja--you don't know shit about shit.
Reading some of your comments makes me think it's a wonder you can even breathe on your own accord.
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Point out where I am wrong.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-21 19:07:20 EDT (#)
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Hey, you'll like this website: http://www.worldlinktv.org/
Anyone who has braodband internet and like to stay informed on current events that the mainstream media will NEVER show you, you should bookmark that site.
At the bottom of the page are links to video interviews and foreign news sources you can't get anywhere else. The foreign news sources come from inside such countries as Israel and Lebanon, Iran and Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. MOSAIC: World News From the Middle East (http://www.worldlinktv.org/mosaic/index.php3) is excellent, showing all sides of the conflicts and translated into English for those of us too lazy to learn Farsi, Arabic, and Hebrew.
DemocracyNow! (http://www.democracynow.org/) allows you to listen to the daily program in MP3 form watch in streaming video. Lots of stories they cover are swept under the rug by the major news media. They expose important issues that demand our attention but are consistently ignored.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:34:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:19:06 (#)
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In the PROSPECTIVE FUTURE, People WILL BE DETAINED BEFORE THEIR HEARING in this regard.
Here's the breakdown, "sparky" :
Pre-Hearing, Detainees held on grounds of POSSIBLE guilt.
Possible Guilt = Possible Innocence
therefore,
Assumed GUILTY until PROVEN INNOCENT
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dude, I've got news for you - people who commit ANY felony are detained before their hearing, unless they make bail.
Here's the part where you get to smash your face into a wall.
I'll give you a +2, if you can tell how a person can be found innocent of illegal immigration WHILE STANDING ON U.S. SOIL.
C'mon, ETS-Canada, explain that one to me.
(Here's the part where he acts like the REAL ETS, and just runs away and changes the subject...)
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Now - though your example is relevant, it's hardly comparable. You cannot deny it's alarming that in an industrialized, "democratic" country, people can be detained SOLELY on the basis of race/religion/ethnic decent.
It's a little bit different than ONE INDIVIDUAL being detained for possible involvement with pre-meditated murder.
I'm not trying to argue. This post was inspired from my amazement at what could eventually come to resemble the mass detainment and genocide that occured under Hitler's command because he was leery of the Jewish.
Bush and Hitler seem to share similar capacity when it comes to rational thinking. You can't argue that.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:31:27 EDT (#)
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My response: http://www.ubersite.com/m/90798
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:24:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:16:09 (#)
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I think america is like a boyant log of shit in the toilet. It is spinning around and sinking a little like everything around it, but I don't think it is going to sink.
I don't know if that makes me an optimist or a shit freak.
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Eh... that has to be one of the most bizarre analogies I've ever come across.
I think you're an optimist, Indo. I don't think you really realize just how horribly fucked up this country is.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 18:19:06 EDT (#)
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In the PROSPECTIVE FUTURE, People WILL BE DETAINED BEFORE THEIR HEARING in this regard.
Here's the breakdown, "sparky" :
Pre-Hearing, Detainees held on grounds of POSSIBLE guilt.
Possible Guilt = Possible Innocence
therefore,
Assumed GUILTY until PROVEN INNOCENT
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dude, I've got news for you - people who commit ANY felony are detained before their hearing, unless they make bail.
Here's the part where you get to smash your face into a wall.
I'll give you a +2, if you can tell how a person can be found innocent of illegal immigration WHILE STANDING ON U.S. SOIL.
C'mon, ETS-Canada, explain that one to me.
(Here's the part where he acts like the REAL ETS, and just runs away and changes the subject...)
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:37:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:21:28 (#)
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our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist.
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one last fact for ya, sparky - these people are being hauled into detainment camps because they have BROKEN U.S. FEDERAL LAW.
IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME TO GAIN ADMISSION TO THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY - THE FACT THEY ARE WALKING AROUND IS PROOF THAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF THIS CRIME - THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS, DIPSHIT
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Why dont you focus on what you're reading before you start screaming about it.
In the PROSPECTIVE FUTURE, People WILL BE DETAINED BEFORE THEIR HEARING in this regard.
Here's the breakdown, "sparky" :
Pre-Hearing, Detainees held on grounds of POSSIBLE guilt.
Possible Guilt = Possible Innocence
therefore,
Assumed GUILTY until PROVEN INNOCENT
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:28:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:18:20 (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:56 (#)
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Are you a US or Canadian resident? It seems Canada gets a much clearer look at the actual state of things from mainstream media (surprisingly) than Americans do.
Mind you the recent take over of CHUM LTD by Bell GlobeMedia will certainly change that.
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You get a clear picture?
You think we are picking people up off the street and throwing them in camps if they aren't white, or at least about to.
You are making claims about US immigration ploicy but it is abundantly clear you don't know a godamn thing about it, so please until you can grasp the basics of immigration in the US don't go accusing us of having an unclear picture.
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And indo, you're making claims about a government that you live under, and still don't have a clue about.
I can't be bothered to explain any further--so I'll paraphrase into a language you should understand,
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:27:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:21:28 (#)
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our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist.
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one last fact for ya, sparky - these people are being hauled into detainment camps because they have BROKEN U.S. FEDERAL LAW.
IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME TO GAIN ADMISSION TO THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY - THE FACT THEY ARE WALKING AROUND IS PROOF THAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF THIS CRIME - THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS, DIPSHIT.
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For the amount of time you're on here JohnnyX I imagine you have some faceless deskjockey job at a company that would never place any amount of real responsibility in your hands--that's a heck of an existence you've carved out for yourself.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:24:01 EDT (#)
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The United States is a fucking disaster, populated by millions of little disasters--and the whole fucking shithouse of a country is headed for the biggest disaster they've seen yet.
But guess what--
They're the most fashionable and TV savvy populace ever.
Can you smell the Roman Empire you fucking bitches?
Oh and one last thing, Indoninja--you don't know shit about shit.
Reading some of your comments makes me think it's a wonder you can even breathe on your own accord.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:21:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist.
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one last fact for ya, sparky - these people are being hauled into detainment camps because they have BROKEN U.S. FEDERAL LAW.
IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME TO GAIN ADMISSION TO THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY - THE FACT THEY ARE WALKING AROUND IS PROOF THAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF THIS CRIME - THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS, DIPSHIT.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:18:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:56 (#)
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Are you a US or Canadian resident? It seems Canada gets a much clearer look at the actual state of things from mainstream media (surprisingly) than Americans do.
Mind you the recent take over of CHUM LTD by Bell GlobeMedia will certainly change that.
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You get a clear picture?
You think we are picking people up off the street and throwing them in camps if they aren't white, or at least about to.
You are making claims about US immigration ploicy but it is abundantly clear you don't know a godamn thing about it, so please until you can grasp the basics of immigration in the US don't go accusing us of having an unclear picture.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:14:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:49:09 (#)
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My point is - if the Bush administration plans to increase spending in this area, to the point where he's holding people that are WAITING for hearings (IE Detaining them WITHOUT proving Guilt, and is so incredibly concerned with "National Security" that he's tapping phones and monitoring people's spending - WHERE IS HE GOING TO DRAW THE LINE. The "(Hell let's cut to the chase)....." was merely inquisitive as to where the line will be drawn.
I NEVER said people were being hauled in off the streets. Not at this point
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"It doesn't matter if they turn out to be legal citizens or not - the new catch phrase is "Guilty until proven Innocent""
"Bush can haul these people into camps now? And hold them until the poorly funded Public Justice system has time to decide whether or not they have the right to walk down the dirty, dirty streets of America?"
What the fuck were you saying here then?
Where the did you even read that people are going to be held in the camps until they can have a trial? Was that more shit that you made up along with Bush hauling non-white people into jail?
Read a fucking newspaper. Illegal immigrants are being let out of jail or released on their own recognazance because we don't have a place to put them and if they are picked up in some po-dung town the INS isn't going to pay to ship one individual at a time to the border. The camps are to hold them until we can ship them back across in groups.
But go ahead and make up unsubstantiated claims that America (which is only what 60-70%% white) is getting ready to lock up over a quarter of its population. Or you could pull your head out of your ass.
And I bet you are one of those people who thinks Americans are ignorant of world events.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:09:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:27:38 (#)
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Jonny - I have a photo sutting in front of me of camps recently being constructed in Raymondville, Texas. As I said in the commentary - I scoured the internet for pictures - but you can bet they're hard to come by
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fucking Texas - they get all the funding.
Could you please post a link of the pictures?
I want to foward it to my Congressman (Brian Bilbray) and demand to know why we in California aren't building such camps as well.
Just so you know, do you know what happens if you are an illegal immigrant, and you are caught by U.S. Border Patrol?
You are given a ticket(citation), which is a notice to appear in court. Then you are let go.
Last week, it was announced that a special medical task force is now operational, RIGHT NOW, in which helicopter patrols search the border to airdrop water, food and medical supplies to illegal immigrants wandering around in the desert. This is done free of charge. (well, free to the aliens, not to the taxpayers).
I really hope your story is true, because its past time we put a stop to this.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:06:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Snowynorth (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:42 (#)
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You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
Where the hell did you get that from? Perhaps what you meant was Harper doesn't like the media and doesn't talk to them much, but there still free to publish what the want.
It's ok to rant everynow and then, but if your going to try to present something as fact include some references, I didn't see any anywhere in your post.
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Do you read anything besides mainstream media sources? Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives? The Parkland Institute? Straight Goods (which includes writers that ALSO write for the Toronto Star)
I didn't "get it" from anywhere. It's not hard to find when you look beyond the smoke screen.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:04:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:56:06 (#)
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Nobody has ever told anyone that the Canadian Forces are a force of peaceful aid.
The purpose of a military is to kill shit, and occasionally be killed.
Only in Canada is anyone stupid enough to believe that no one dies in a war.
Jesus, this country pisses me off some days.
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Are you daft?
Are you denying that Canada's international role for the last couple decades has been predominantly neutral?
If so - I'd love examples of when we have been frontline, waving rifles, and "kill(ing) shit".
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by theadmiral (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:45:18 (#)
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You guys should go look where Cheney and the likes have all the money invested. If you haven't guess already it isnt American. They know what they are leading the country towards.
This is the US national debt clock.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Not looking to good guys
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Are you a US or Canadian resident? It seems Canada gets a much clearer look at the actual state of things from mainstream media (surprisingly) than Americans do.
Mind you the recent take over of CHUM LTD by Bell GlobeMedia will certainly change that.
Submitted by Snowynorth (user info) at 2006-07-21 17:00:42 EDT (#)
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You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
Where the hell did you get that from? Perhaps what you meant was Harper doesn't like the media and doesn't talk to them much, but there still free to publish what the want.
It's ok to rant everynow and then, but if your going to try to present something as fact include some references, I didn't see any anywhere in your post.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:56:06 EDT (#)
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Nobody has ever told anyone that the Canadian Forces are a force of peaceful aid.
The purpose of a military is to kill shit, and occasionally be killed.
Only in Canada is anyone stupid enough to believe that no one dies in a war.
Jesus, this country pisses me off some days.
Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:49:15 EDT (#)
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Indo, it doesn't. I'm not engaged in that debate at all. I picked up on rounding up American citizens in a state of war and putting them in camps.
Do you think that in a state of war the bush administration might do the exact same thing? Round up anyone with Islamic characteristics be they american or not?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:49:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:28:15 (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:27:38 (#)
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Jonny - I have a photo sutting in front of me of camps recently being constructed in Raymondville, Texas. As I said in the commentary - I scoured the internet for pictures - but you can bet they're hard to come by
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And I posted a link to a story about the construction of said camps.
What the fuck does that have to do with your accusation that people are being picked up and thrown into camps because they aren't white?
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My point is - if the Bush administration plans to increase spending in this area, to the point where he's holding people that are WAITING for hearings (IE Detaining them WITHOUT proving Guilt, and is so incredibly concerned with "National Security" that he's tapping phones and monitoring people's spending - WHERE IS HE GOING TO DRAW THE LINE. The "(Hell let's cut to the chase)....." was merely inquisitive as to where the line will be drawn.
I NEVER said people were being hauled in off the streets. Not at this point
Submitted by theadmiral (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:45:18 EDT (#)
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You guys should go look where Cheney and the likes have all the money invested. If you haven't guess already it isnt American. They know what they are leading the country towards.
This is the US national debt clock.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Not looking to good guys.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:28:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:27:38 (#)
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Jonny - I have a photo sutting in front of me of camps recently being constructed in Raymondville, Texas. As I said in the commentary - I scoured the internet for pictures - but you can bet they're hard to come by
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And I posted a link to a story about the construction of said camps.
What the fuck does that have to do with your accusation that people are being picked up and thrown into camps because they aren't white?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:26:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:18:09 (#)
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As this post looks on history -
In February 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 and later Executive Order 9102, which empowered De Witt to round up 70,000 U.S. citizens of Japanese descent and 42,000 Japanese resident aliens with little more than the clothes on their back --farmers and fishermen, old women, children, a kaleidoscope of the "subversive." They were shipped off to 10 bleak concentration camps in remote areas like Manzanar, west of Death Valley.
Said DeWitt: "A Jap is a Jap."
http://www.lm.liverpool.k12.ny.us/Whacked/Manzanar1/Manzanar.html
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You know what the US used to have slaves too, and before that we took land from indians.
Even more recent than that we persecuted communists or even accused communists.
And how does any of that, or your comment above have anything to do with equating Bush to Hitler, or America 2006 to Pre-nazi Germany?
Submitted by Samo (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:18:09 EDT (#)
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As this post looks on history -
In February 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 and later Executive Order 9102, which empowered De Witt to round up 70,000 U.S. citizens of Japanese descent and 42,000 Japanese resident aliens with little more than the clothes on their back --farmers and fishermen, old women, children, a kaleidoscope of the "subversive." They were shipped off to 10 bleak concentration camps in remote areas like Manzanar, west of Death Valley.
Said DeWitt: "A Jap is a Jap."
http://www.lm.liverpool.k12.ny.us/Whacked/Manzanar1/Manzanar.html
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:16:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:06:26 (#)
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You're turning into quite the conspiracy theorist.
No, it's not ETS. There is more than one person in the world that thinks America is being skipped merrily to hell - I'm suprised you haven't noticed.
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But not that many that believe that there are secret camps picking up illegals, that ETS claim was probably a stretch though.
I think america is like a boyant log of shit in the toilet. It is spinning around and sinking a little like everything around it, but I don't think it is going to sink.
I don't know if that makes me an optimist or a shit freak.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:15:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:53:00 (#)
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I don't know if anyone has mention this yet because I haven't read the reviews but:
"No Payments Required of American Citizens Departing Lebanon
In this extraordinary case, Secretary Rice has directed the State Department to waive the requirement for American citizens departing Lebanon to reimburse the United States Government for their travel costs. We want to do everything we can to facilitate the departure of American citizens from Lebanon. Today's step removes one potential worry for our citizens at this difficult time."
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Thank you - I spewed the above when I got home from work late last night - and it was baed on what I had read in various sources throughout the day.
I'm glad this is the case - after all - what are people taxed for?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-21 16:06:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:26:30 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/moreinfo.cgi?uber=marginwalker&cutoff=2
I think this might be another ETS alter.
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You're turning into quite the conspiracy theorist.
No, it's not ETS. There is more than one person in the world that thinks America is being skipped merrily to hell - I'm suprised you haven't noticed.
Submitted by Professional_Peon (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:56:50 EDT (#)
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Fuckem they shoulda got a vacation visa or some shit.
I feel more sorry for the people that were in the clink sleeping off a little drunken New Orleans celebration when hurricane katrina hit.
Those people are still in jail - because they lost all the records and can't tell the killers from the drunks.
I feel sorry for them, at least they are citizens.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:53:00 EDT (#)
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I don't know if anyone has mention this yet because I haven't read the reviews but:
"No Payments Required of American Citizens Departing Lebanon
In this extraordinary case, Secretary Rice has directed the State Department to waive the requirement for American citizens departing Lebanon to reimburse the United States Government for their travel costs. We want to do everything we can to facilitate the departure of American citizens from Lebanon. Today's step removes one potential worry for our citizens at this difficult time."
That's from the website of the american embassy.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:32:18 EDT (#)
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I went to DeLuca's today.
An Italian grocer.
A fine grocer, specialising in some of the finest products.
Products to be consumed.
By consumers.
Like myself.
I like the pizza dough.
It's only $1.39
$1.39.
Far superior to ordering pizza.
I bought Seconds Out yesterday.
It would have been $33.99.
$33.99.
However, a two for $30 deal was on.
Do you know what I got as the second in the requisite pair?
Animals by Pink Floyd.
That by itself would have been $26.99
That is a remarkable saving.
A saving of $30.98.
-2.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:27:38 EDT (#)
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Jonny - I have a photo sutting in front of me of camps recently being constructed in Raymondville, Texas. As I said in the commentary - I scoured the internet for pictures - but you can bet they're hard to come by
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:26:30 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/moreinfo.cgi?uber=marginwalker&cutoff=2
I think this might be another ETS alter.
At least I hope so, it is scary to think people are this stupid.
Hopefully he just wants heat.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:26:00 EDT (#)
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Here's something relatively similar - though not what I drew information from;
http://www.alternet.org/rights/32647/
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:22:01 EDT (#)
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johnny -- if it makes you feel any better, i stubbed my toe real bad this morning. i swore and everything.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:19:57 EDT (#)
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You're correct - in the past, people have been free to walk until proven innocent.
But not anymore. The Government now plans to detain more immigrants while they await hearing.
You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
You will see these changes in the next year as the Bush administration INCREASES the amount of people in detainment awaiting hearings.
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I am going to educate you, since you obviously are sorely in need of it.
I live in San Diego, so I see more illegal aliens in a single day than you've ever seen in your life, guaranteed.
Have you personally ever even SEEN an illegal alien?
The last one I saw, was about 7:30 this morning - there were a group of about 10 or so, hanging out next to the 7-11. That's where they wait to get work - white people pull up their pickup trucks, and illegally hire them, paying cash.
These people live in the nearby canyon - there actually used to be a small 'town' of several hundred, but the fire danger was too great, so they demolished the 'town' and dispered the inhabitants.
(btw, that is the ONLY way you can get rid of illegal immigrants in California - can't touch 'em if they are committing crimes, but if they are a threat to the environment, BOOM, they're gone.)
The illegal aliens still camp out in the canyons, and my local townspeople regularly complain to the police about the problems they cause, and the police can't do anything about it.
The police have special officers trained to deal with illegal aliens, in all of northern San Diego County (about 900 square miles), they have....TWO (2) police officers to cover that area.
So, can you do me a big favour? Can you find out where all these police and detention camps are, and send here to us in San Diego County? Cause we're _literally_ being overrun, and we could use the help.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:08:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:59:52 (#)
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I'm trying to find the link to the article in "The National Post".
You're correct - in the past, people have been free to walk until proven innocent.
But not anymore. The Government now plans to detain more immigrants while they await hearing.
You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
You will see these changes in the next year as the Bush administration INCREASES the amount of people in detainment awaiting hearings.
This is reflected in Corrections stocks - which have risen from US$42.50 to US$53.77 since February when Bush announced plans to increase spending on immigrant detention.
Why in god's name would I make this shit up?
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I can find theories on google about bigfoot causing 9/11, but I can't find any stories about this BS.
You don't think any other news outlets would pick it up? Any bloggers?
if the govt was changing its detention lan it would be on a Govt website.
the stock in corrections went up because of the anticipated (hasn't even happened yet, we still catch and release) policy change of not releasing illegals on their own recognazance. why the fuck would we have sweeps, or pick up anyone with color when we release already have jails full of illegals, when we already can't fit them so we let them go.
I don't think you made it up. I think you read BS stories or you are too stupid to keep it straight in your head. If your bush hitler comparisons are any indication then a story on this is way beyond your comprehension level.
Submitted by Mrdurden24 (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:06:54 EDT (#)
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The worst part is its not going to change..its going to get even worse
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:06:45 EDT (#)
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>>Connect the dots - draw the parallels: Our economy is on the verge of recession, our military is in battle for the first time in decades, our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist.<<
While Guantanamo is certainly more than questionable, I've never heard of anyone being hauled there for suspicion of 'not being caucasian'. The ones (we know of) that are arrested are genuine terrorist suspects, though that doesn't mean they don't deserve humane treatment or a fair and speedy trial.
The problem is that everyone wants to paint this one way or the other -- either as the ultimate good or the ultimate evil. The problem is that it's neither. It's not going to be Nazi Germany or the Fall of Rome -- it's going to be different -- and the world is not going to end -- it's simply going to be different.
While I realize that the magnitude of Iraq, Syria etc are certainly daunting, crying yourself to sleep at night isn't going to do much. There are (and will always be) small steps you can take to change things.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:03:20 EDT (#)
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people were 'detained' on ellis island all the time. these immigrants, however, decided to hop the border and try to get a free ride and exploit the benefits of our government. now i'm not saying an ass raping and gut pummelling aren't in order, but if you're not going to follow the rules and we're still going to hook you up with some sweet ass tents, who the fuck are you to complain.
last i checked we weren't gassing them and burning their dead bodies to save space. let me know when that happens.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 15:01:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:47:18 (#)
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I couldn't find a link
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I know I looked as well - I have the hard copy sitting in front of me. I'm trying to find it elsewhere.
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:40:43 (#)
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He absolutely HAS stripped citizens of Civil Liberties. These people are being detained on the grounds that they MIGHT be illegal aliens - detained before anything is even proven!
If that doesnt infringe on civil rights - I dont know what does.
And beyond that - what of his illegal tapping of phones, and the (recent) discovery of his administration monitoring personal bank accounts (publicly released in a New York Times article on June 23)
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Who the fuck are "these people" you keep refering to?
"In the first quarter of the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants apprehended from countries other than Mexico were released on their own recognizance."
These people go to court first, nobody is tossing peoiple into camps until they can sort stuff out you stupid fuck. What fucking planet are you on? the camps are being built so instead of relaesing thes people who are here illegaly and breaking our laws can be sent back to their countries instead of just floating around in the US.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html? ex=1296709200&en=01728da2eba059e4&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I guess you are as ignorant of current events as you are of historical ones.
If we were under hitler do you think people would be discussing it in the paper? do you think it would be heading to the Supreme court to be decided if he overstepped his bounds (by the way under US law there is no gaurantee of international calls not being monitored)?
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I'm trying to find the link to the article in "The National Post".
You're correct - in the past, people have been free to walk until proven innocent.
But not anymore. The Government now plans to detain more immigrants while they await hearing.
You have to understand - though our media sources in Canada are becoming more and more restricted - there are still liberal writers that manage to publish articles that are unbiased in favor of government.
You will see these changes in the next year as the Bush administration INCREASES the amount of people in detainment awaiting hearings.
This is reflected in Corrections stocks - which have risen from US$42.50 to US$53.77 since February when Bush announced plans to increase spending on immigrant detention.
Why in god's name would I make this shit up?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:51:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:43:13 (#)
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I mentioned the Media Source containing the article about detainment. It's a Canadian Publication - "The National Post"
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Provide a link.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/index.html
I coldn't find it here.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:48:02 EDT (#)
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misdirection, marginwalker man? why change the subject? are you feeling like you're backed into a corner, the walls closing in around you? do you feel like an ass?
ETS YOU HAVE A NEW FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:47:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:40:43 (#)
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He absolutely HAS stripped citizens of Civil Liberties. These people are being detained on the grounds that they MIGHT be illegal aliens - detained before anything is even proven!
If that doesnt infringe on civil rights - I dont know what does.
And beyond that - what of his illegal tapping of phones, and the (recent) discovery of his administration monitoring personal bank accounts (publicly released in a New York Times article on June 23)
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Who the fuck are "these people" you keep refering to?
"In the first quarter of the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants apprehended from countries other than Mexico were released on their own recognizance."
These people go to court first, nobody is tossing peoiple into camps until they can sort stuff out you stupid fuck. What fucking planet are you on? the camps are being built so instead of relaesing thes people who are here illegaly and breaking our laws can be sent back to their countries instead of just floating around in the US.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html? ex=1296709200&en=01728da2eba059e4&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I guess you are as ignorant of current events as you are of historical ones.
If we were under hitler do you think people would be discussing it in the paper? do you think it would be heading to the Supreme court to be decided if he overstepped his bounds (by the way under US law there is no gaurantee of international calls not being monitored)?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:43:13 EDT (#)
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I mentioned the Media Source containing the article about detainment. It's a Canadian Publication - "The National Post"
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:40:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:31:11 (#)
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Oh the degree of civil liberties is different. So if he hasn't stripped our civil liberties, please remind me how you thnk he is like hitler?
The situation is nothing alike.
Mass detainment of people who are in the country ILLEGALLY is perfectly acceptable.
Please point out some similarities? What the fuck is similiar?
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He absolutely HAS stripped citizens of Civil Liberties. These people are being detained on the grounds that they MIGHT be illegal aliens - detained before anything is even proven!
If that doesnt infringe on civil rights - I dont know what does.
And beyond that - what of his illegal tapping of phones, and the (recent) discovery of his administration monitoring personal bank accounts (publicly released in a New York Times article on June 23)
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:39:54 EDT (#)
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this is worse than and ETS post really.
you make a lot of points, things that you are putting across as fact rather than opinion
and you're not giving any source or backup to what you've said.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:35:02 EDT (#)
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title had SO much promise - and then you squandered it all
"our neighbours to the south are hauling people into detainment camps because all the sudden if you're not white you're a terrorist."
not true! Negroes still run free in our liquor stores and basketball stadiums...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:33:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:30:22 (#)
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Are you not listening? Does it not shock you that in this day and age people in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are being detained on such shallow grounds???
(And Bush turns around and vetos stem cell research for "moral" reasons. What?)
It's inane! It's unheard of that people are being locked up without any proven convictions!
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Who is being detained, find me one citizen that is being detained in the US?
Hitler would have been all for stem cell research. His vetoing of it was stupid, but what the fuck does it have to do with hitler?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:31:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:24:53 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:15:19 (#)
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We're media sources even relatively comparable?? Not at all. Neither was the degree of civil liberties granted to citizens even close.
And after seeing mass detainment by Hitler - it shocks me it's happening in my neighbouring "democratic" country (albeit not to the same degree - yet)
You're right - the circumstances are very different.
But that's to be expected after a time lapse of over 60 years.
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Oh the degree of civil liberties is different. So if he hasn't stripped our civil liberties, please remind me how you thnk he is like hitler?
The situation is nothing alike.
Mass detainment of people who are in the country ILLEGALLY is perfectly acceptable.
Please point out some similarities? What the fuck is similiar?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:30:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:25:59 (#)
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Were we (US) in a recession before Bush came to power? Suffering from a sense of malaise?
Did he unify the US in patriotic fervor? And if so why did he almost not get re-elected?
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Are you not listening? Does it not shock you that in this day and age people in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are being detained on such shallow grounds???
(And Bush turns around and vetos stem cell research for "moral" reasons. What?)
It's inane! It's unheard of that people are being locked up without any proven convictions!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:25:59 EDT (#)
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Were we (US) in a recession before Bush came to power? Suffering from a sense of malaise?
Did he unify the US in patriotic fervor? And if so why did he almost not get re-elected?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:24:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:15:19 (#)
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Was hitler mocked and ridiculed nightly on popular TV shows?
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We're media sources even relatively comparable?? Not at all. Neither was the degree of civil liberties granted to citizens even close.
And after seeing mass detainment by Hitler - it shocks me it's happening in my neighbouring "democratic" country (albeit not to the same degree - yet)
You're right - the circumstances are very different.
But that's to be expected after a time lapse of over 60 years.
Submitted by Happily_Agnostic (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:24:09 EDT (#)
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1 for trying
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:22:03 EDT (#)
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Good news: I just save a bunch on my auto insurance and I didn't shit my pants.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:15:19 EDT (#)
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Was hitler mocked and ridiculed nightly on popular TV shows?
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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:06:25 (#)
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Absolutely - I'm just pointing out the similarity between the way Hitler governed, and Bush governs. Obviously the circumstances are much different - with much more serious implications this time around.
It's unnerving how quickly things escalate.
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Please enlighten me to the similarities?
When Bush was elected was there a night of broken glass for mosques, or immigrant shops?
When Hitler came to power were there photos of him holding hands with a jewish leader?
Was Hitler unable to get any of his legislation or suggested laws passed?
Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:13:20 EDT (#)
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"But it seems to me Mr. Bush does a lot of things ass-backwards.
Submitted by ubetidid (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:11:10 EDT (#)
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"But it seems to me Mr. Bush does a lot of things ass-backwards.
Like his whole administration, basically."
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:08:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:02:24 (#)
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no appeasing us?
that is where you went wrong from the start, you should be writing for you not for 'us'
seriously, you've not mentioned anything here that others haven't said so did you just think this would get you some heat or some recognition on this pitiful website?
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Absolutely not - if I was writing solely to appeal to the audience I would have quit after my first go round.
It's merely an opinion - an outlook on current events. And because it's subjective, it's NOT the same as what other people have written.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:06:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:03:38 (#)
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I agree with Icarus, actually. It's somewhat... propagandic and hyperbolic, to say the least, to compare modern US politics to the rise of the Third Reich... frankly the Mid-East Union currently forming in opposition to Israeli interests is more similar to that particular empire. That's not saying we're not fucked, cause we are, but it's a different kind of fucked. A more subtle fucked.
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Absolutely - I'm just pointing out the similarity between the way Hitler governed, and Bush governs. Obviously the circumstances are much different - with much more serious implications this time around.
It's unnerving how quickly things escalate.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:03:38 EDT (#)
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I agree with Icarus, actually. It's somewhat... propagandic and hyperbolic, to say the least, to compare modern US politics to the rise of the Third Reich... frankly the Mid-East Union currently forming in opposition to Israeli interests is more similar to that particular empire. That's not saying we're not fucked, cause we are, but it's a different kind of fucked. A more subtle fucked.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:03:19 EDT (#)
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+1 although it didn't make me smile.
WWIII is not scheduled until December of 2012, so you have time.
Submitted by guiness (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:03:17 EDT (#)
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WTF I'm not reading all that
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-21 14:02:24 EDT (#)
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no appeasing us?
that is where you went wrong from the start, you should be writing for you not for 'us'
seriously, you've not mentioned anything here that others haven't said so did you just think this would get you some heat or some recognition on this pitiful website?
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:58:08 EDT (#)
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Bah - there's no appeasing you guys.
Submitted by Defect (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:57:00 EDT (#)
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This was a goddamn good political post. No crazy ass left right wing bullshit. Just a simple WTF? out to both Canada and the U.S. Also, + 2 for not thinking/saying that the U.S. deserves to be hated based on our governmont's actions.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:55:55 EDT (#)
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you could move to another country
you could lock yourself away in a safe little corner where none of the issues of the world will ever touch you and you can be completely safe because I think...and i'm not sure who knows this so don't let it get out...but I think the American president is a dumbass and I think he's fucking things up all over the place.
its just a thought though and I don't think many have thought of it 'cept you and me.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:53:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:50:24 (#)
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Sorry, kid.
This is not going to be well recieved.
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Nothing new! Look at my history!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:52:02 EDT (#)
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"Unlike our American neighbours - who were forced to sign waivers promising to pay for whatever charges their Government incurred to bring them back to their homeland."
Wrong.
"The semblances between present day North America and Pre-Nazi Germany are more than a little disturbing."
Only if you are a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about the rise of the Third Reich.
If you are going to compare it to a time in history look at McCarthyism.
Did jews get together to protest in pre-Nazi germany?
Did they take to the streets and wave flags of other countries?
Did they have holidays from public schools for their religious holidays?
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-07-21 13:50:24 EDT (#)
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Sorry, kid.
This is not going to be well recieved.
The worlds a scary fucker right now. Too bad I don't 'do' political discussions on Uber.