Attention All Brits!!! (7/7 was your 9/11!!! Your government is as bad as ours.) (2203 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-07-22 03:27:27 EDT
Here it is... Take it or leave it.
What are you gonna do about it? Anything? Are you even gonna tell your parents?
Probably not. Do that and you'll be labeled a lunatic, won't you?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-30 04:12:18 EDT (#)
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What, you're online and not trying to preach to people?
What's up?
The Websex with your mindless bink cut short by the parents tonight?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-30 03:53:05 EDT (#)
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Thank you for articulating the reason I've always secretly thought Maddox was a fucking bitch.
Just like you, Mason.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-30 03:31:46 EDT (#)
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
You know, there are times that I really and truly love Maddox...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:47:36 EDT (#)
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"THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE TAKEN IN BY THE BBC! Filthy British lies! But did they ever say a bad word about Winston Churchill? CHURCHILL! With his cigars, and his brandy, and his ROTTEN paintings! ROTTEN! Hitler, there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!" -- Franz Liebkind
i find this quote to be awful fitting for this post... what a great movie...
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:18:39 EDT (#)
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But what if they HAD said that? How do you think the elections might have been different? WOuld it have inspired more people to vote against him because they smelled blood? Would it have inspired more people to get off the couch because they thought their vote was going to finally make a difference? My guess is all of the above.
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Don't make the mistake of thinking that all of our media is in the pocket of the same party. as stated above, it generally a 50-50 slpit between Pro-Con and Pro-Lab organisations and it's pretty easy to tell the difference between the two.
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This should be an obvious principle to you if you know anything about human nature and politics. The BBC are your real rulers because they control your thoughts as a whole. All they have to say is, "such and such person is going to win," and the prophesy will be self fulfilling.
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What the fuck do you know about the BBC?
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Of all the things in the video, you choose to focus on some of the most inane points possible. Again, you attack people's credibility so you can continue in your ignorance to think that your government had othing to do with the attacks.
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David Shaylor - A man who lied to a newspaper to earn himself money and then lied about lieing to the newspaper, all the while contrivening the OSA which he sigend to say that he would never give away state secrets. like I need to do a lot to discredit him
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You have to think outside the box a little bit, if you can, and think about your statement on motive. The motive was laid out in the first sequence of the film on state sponsored terrorism. It's pretty obvious what the motive is for such actions since they've been used again and again throughout history by every country and their mother, but if you'd like further explanation, I suggest you get a good book on the subject. I'm sure there are many available. You might even be able to get some in audiobook form!
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Again, you wanted me to judge the video - it says that the motive was to do with the elections, not me.
It also mentioned that it was to do with bringing in Anti-terror laws and ID cards but these were no more popular after the incident than they were before.
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You think it doesn't make any sense to kill a man in full view of everyone because you're a moron who doesn't know the first fucking thing about psychological warfare.
What's the first thing you said when you heard about that incident? If it was anything like me, it was, "oh well, the guy should have known better in a post-9/11, post-7/7 world to have run from police in a tube station...
Correct me if I'm wrong. Hell I actually wrote a post about how the guy deserved it, in my ignorance.
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Sure, I'll correct you - my first reaction was to saty that I knew this kind of stupid knee-jerk reaction would happen and that I wouldn't be surprised if he were completely innocent.
and guess what?
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We're being conditioned to accept police shooting civilians in the name of fighting terror.
See, that wasn't so hard was it.
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You're completely contardicting your video here. The video states that he was gunned down by a specially trained hitsquad because he knew something.
That's why it doesn't make any sense.
If it were planned, - it would have been altogether better executed (excuse the pun).
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The point still stands that the video shows nothing concrete to say that HMG was involved in the attack. It points out a few circumstantial inconsistances which you could do with almost anything - especially when you don't have to reveal your sources.
I am more inclined to belive the conclusions I draw myself, even if it is based on information from the mainstream media, than I am because some yank with no grasp of brittish politics or psychology decides to make a video.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:18:26 EDT (#)
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I don't see what it matters responding to you, dude. You're not gonna listen to a word I say anyway. But here goes nothin'...
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I think the Irony comment has already been made.
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First of all, the elections never were and never are a foregone conclusion in a real democracy. (That is if you still have one.) The labour party lost many seats to the Lib Dems if you'll recall. Probably would have lost many more if not for 7/7. Ask a career analyst if you can't take it from me. I watched your elections too, as they were happening. People wanted the security the labour party seemed to offer without going back to tory madness, so lib dems picked up a shitload of seats. Regardless, if your nation isn't a true democracy, as I suspect is pretty much the case just like here in the U.S., and the media is in collusion with the bankers that control the politicians, like they are here, what the media says is suspect to begin with. Bilderberg is some good evidence for this. Look at the media editors and presidents that attend such meeting from your country. Why you can't understand this, I attribute to nothing more than 20+ years of steady media brainwashing.
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don't fucking insult me. You can't handle all of your discussions with the simple response of "you only think that because THE MEDIA TELLS YOU SO" because that's making a ridiculous assumption about sombody miles away who you essentially know nothing about.
You wanted me to judge the video right? Well this video states something along the lines that Tony Blair "was almost CERTAIN" to lose the election. My point is that this is simply not true. You can talk all fucking day about media control and democracy etc, but it doesn't change the fact that the guy in this video told a whopping lie right there. Even by your own definition "elections never were and never are a foregone conclusion in a real democracy".
And who the fuck ever said that this was a 'real democracy'? or even that such a thing exists? Not I. I merely stated that Tony Blair was favourite by a very long fucking way to win the election because of his weak opposition which is an irrefutable fact. Sure you can tell me that this information comes from tainted sources, but when both Pro-concervative AND Pro-Labour publications (as well as those that are supposed to be impartial) ALL say the same thing, chances are it bears a closer resemblance to the truth than what an American conspricy theorist says on his home made internet video. Call me crazy.
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We're trained all our lives to think that the media is on our side...out there 24/7 to expose the criminals and keep our leaders honest, but oh how stupid we are! If they wanted to inspire complacency in the voeters to discourage turnout, they might say something preelection like "Blair is definitely going to win again", would they not? If they wanted to steadily train people to trust their conclusions about the elections so they will be listened to in the future, they might say, "Blair is gonna win again," would they not? If the media are involved like I'm telling you they are, the last thing they're gonna do is say, "Blair is on the ropes...he might not make it through this one."
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They didn't need to Lie (although in some cases I'm sure they did anyway). The fact of the matter is that The main opposition was Michael Howard, a man who had only been party leader for a short period, who's policies contained massive inconsistances, and (sadly) most importantly had no Charisma what so ever. This explains why the Lib Dems picked up so many votes - people not wishing to vote for blair CERTAINLY didn't want to defect to Howard because he was so much WORSE.
Blair was never going to lose. FACT.
The video said that he was certain to - LIE.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-07-24 15:14:17 EDT (#)
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check your email
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-24 14:20:51 EDT (#)
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I will repond to your points in full shortly, but first: David Shaylor a 'political Dissident' - HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
He was a former low-level MI6 operative who sold state secrets to the highest bidder (in this case it was the tabloids). Don't romaticise what essentially was nothing more than plain greed on his part.
like I said, full response to follow.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:40:55 EDT (#)
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you think that the ceo's of the media have control of the local reporters at some random news outlet? that's like saying ted turner has control of the customer service rep for my road runner internet...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:31:03 EDT (#)
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Boy, I've never heard that one before.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-07-24 13:13:24 EDT (#)
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I don't see what it matters responding to you, dude. You're not gonna listen to a word I say anyway. But here goes nothin'...
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
IRONY, YOU HAVE A CALL ON THE WHITE COURTESY PHONE, IRONY, WHITE COURTESY PHONE PLEASE.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 10:57:20 EDT (#)
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Spam: I wasn't meaning to call you a moron below. I was a moron too when it came to that shooting on the tube incident. That was my point there. Thought I needed to clarify.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 10:52:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:41:04 (#)
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There is NO evidence in this video to show that the July 7th bombings were orchestrated by the British government whatsoever. It's fucking tosh.
The only motive put forward (and I'll admit Ive on;y watched 3/4 of this so far) seems to be that Blair was about to lose the election and hoped this event would galvanise the public into supporting the war in Iraq.
Not only did this NOT happen (nor was in EVER likely to) but the fact that "Blair was certain to lose" the election is simply NOT TRUE. I was a follower of the polls during that election and whilst Blair's popularirty was falling as a result of waging a massivly unpopular and ilegal war he was still favourite to win the election by fucking MILES.
in the months leading up to the election he was never in doubt to lose because his opposition - in the form of a rather smarmy and somewhat dull Michale Howard and the Alcholic charles Kennedy - was so weak.
This video states the exact opposite without ever declaring sources.
The only truth I can see here is the evidence of a huge cover up surrounding that Brazillian chap but then again, most Brits know that there's something very fishy about that anyway. But even here this video draws ridiculous conclusions: - a "specially trained hit squad" followed him for 30 minutes from his house - through nearly empty and non-CCTV'd streets - all the way to the tube station so that they could execute him on a train FULL of witnesses whilst being recorded on hunderds of video cameras??!! That doesn't make any sense at all.
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I don't see what it matters responding to you, dude. You're not gonna listen to a word I say anyway. But here goes nothin'...
First of all, the elections never were and never are a foregone conclusion in a real democracy. (That is if you still have one.) The labour party lost many seats to the Lib Dems if you'll recall. Probably would have lost many more if not for 7/7. Ask a career analyst if you can't take it from me. I watched your elections too, as they were happening. People wanted the security the labour party seemed to offer without going back to tory madness, so lib dems picked up a shitload of seats. Regardless, if your nation isn't a true democracy, as I suspect is pretty much the case just like here in the U.S., and the media is in collusion with the bankers that control the politicians, like they are here, what the media says is suspect to begin with. Bilderberg is some good evidence for this. Look at the media editors and presidents that attend such meeting from your country. Why you can't understand this, I attribute to nothing more than 20+ years of steady media brainwashing.
We're trained all our lives to think that the media is on our side...out there 24/7 to expose the criminals and keep our leaders honest, but oh how stupid we are! If they wanted to inspire complacency in the voeters to discourage turnout, they might say something preelection like "Blair is definitely going to win again", would they not? If they wanted to steadily train people to trust their conclusions about the elections so they will be listened to in the future, they might say, "Blair is gonna win again," would they not? If the media are involved like I'm telling you they are, the last thing they're gonna do is say, "Blair is on the ropes...he might not make it through this one."
But what if they HAD said that? How do you think the elections might have been different? WOuld it have inspired more people to vote against him because they smelled blood? Would it have inspired more people to get off the couch because they thought their vote was going to finally make a difference? My guess is all of the above.
This should be an obvious principle to you if you know anything about human nature and politics. The BBC are your real rulers because they control your thoughts as a whole. All they have to say is, "such and such person is going to win," and the prophesy will be self fulfilling.
Of all the things in the video, you choose to focus on some of the most inane points possible. Again, you attack people's credibility so you can continue in your ignorance to think that your government had othing to do with the attacks.
You have to think outside the box a little bit, if you can, and think about your statement on motive. The motive was laid out in the first sequence of the film on state sponsored terrorism. It's pretty obvious what the motive is for such actions since they've been used again and again throughout history by every country and their mother, but if you'd like further explanation, I suggest you get a good book on the subject. I'm sure there are many available. You might even be able to get some in audiobook form!
You think it doesn't make any sense to kill a man in full view of everyone because you're a moron who doesn't know the first fucking thing about psychological warfare.
What's the first thing you said when you heard about that incident? If it was anything like me, it was, "oh well, the guy should have known better in a post-9/11, post-7/7 world to have run from police in a tube station...
Correct me if I'm wrong. Hell I actually wrote a post about how the guy deserved it, in my ignorance.
We're being conditioned to accept police shooting civilians in the name of fighting terror.
See, that wasn't so hard was it.
Now, any more questions about the ACTUAL evidence? Or do you have more accusation for traitors and drunks (classic attacks leveled against ANY political dissident, by the way, along with "crazy")?
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-24 08:46:52 EDT (#)
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I see you've decided to ignore my comments and have chosen instead to squabble with others.
No surprises.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 02:48:30 EDT (#)
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Oh, that's right.
The point of the post.
Your losing your mind and everything like that...
That's right.
Forgot.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 02:31:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 02:16:43 (#)
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And how long did YOU last, cock-hound?
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Elite 8. http://www.ubersite.com/m/74831
Lost when I posted a song.
Beside the point of this post.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 02:16:43 EDT (#)
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And how long did YOU last, cock-hound?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 02:01:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 01:39:07 (#)
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Teeeeeeeehehehehehehe...
Brad, don't keep the kettle costume too long, son.
Dome can outwrite all but a select few here, and you aren't one of 'em.
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He's just lucky he didn't have to face me in ubermadness. I would have made it my personal mission to kick the living shit out of him, just because I can.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 01:39:07 EDT (#)
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Teeeeeeeehehehehehehe...
Brad, don't keep the kettle costume too long, son.
Dome can outwrite all but a select few here, and you aren't one of 'em.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-24 01:11:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-23 23:38:34 (#)
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Brad, if you're going to drop a -2 comment on my writing, you should at least leave a pithy comment why. Or are you reduced to limp-wristedly retaliatory -2s?
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Because your writing sucks. That's why.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-24 00:34:41 EDT (#)
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He's always been reduced to that level, Dome.
Take a look across my profile, you'll see, at last count, 40+ instances of it.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-07-23 23:38:34 EDT (#)
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Brad, if you're going to drop a -2 comment on my writing, you should at least leave a pithy comment why. Or are you reduced to limp-wristedly retaliatory -2s?
Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2006-07-23 17:31:13 EDT (#)
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twice?
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-23 15:51:14 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/90818
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:41:04 EDT (#)
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There is NO evidence in this video to show that the July 7th bombings were orchestrated by the British government whatsoever. It's fucking tosh.
The only motive put forward (and I'll admit Ive on;y watched 3/4 of this so far) seems to be that Blair was about to lose the election and hoped this event would galvanise the public into supporting the war in Iraq.
Not only did this NOT happen (nor was in EVER likely to) but the fact that "Blair was certain to lose" the election is simply NOT TRUE. I was a follower of the polls during that election and whilst Blair's popularirty was falling as a result of waging a massivly unpopular and ilegal war he was still favourite to win the election by fucking MILES.
in the months leading up to the election he was never in doubt to lose because his opposition - in the form of a rather smarmy and somewhat dull Michale Howard and the Alcholic charles Kennedy - was so weak.
This video states the exact opposite without ever declaring sources.
The only truth I can see here is the evidence of a huge cover up surrounding that Brazillian chap but then again, most Brits know that there's something very fishy about that anyway. But even here this video draws ridiculous conclusions: - a "specially trained hit squad" followed him for 30 minutes from his house - through nearly empty and non-CCTV'd streets - all the way to the tube station so that they could execute him on a train FULL of witnesses whilst being recorded on hunderds of video cameras??!! That doesn't make any sense at all.
Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:37:52 EDT (#)
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I thought you promised never to post again after Method proved you wrong. What happened to that? What about the music? I like your covers of Nevermind songs. Do that again if you're going to continue posting. And get off the drugs, Brad.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:26:45 EDT (#)
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Did you make sure you put on your tinfoil hat before logging into ubersite?
PS. Tell Elvis & Tupac that I said "Hello."
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:17:06 EDT (#)
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/42644/chapelles_show_black_bush/
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-23 12:04:34 EDT (#)
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DAMNING evidence by two of the most reliable of Brittish sources - David "convicted of treason" Shaylor and Michael "acussed of cowardice" Meecher.
Brilliant
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-23 11:35:12 EDT (#)
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AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!
"A severley mentally hadicapped boy who was found rolling around in an alley outside the Richtstaag... Nekid"
5mins into this video and already it's fucking hilarious.
Submitted by thecaes (user info) at 2006-07-23 11:04:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:21:43 (#)
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It is absolutely ridiculous to judge the content of the film (which is the thing I'm asking you to look at) based on the STYLE in which it is presented, would you not agree?
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I do not agree. If something is presented in a melodramatic, heavy-handed style, then that's an indication that the film was made with an eye towards sensationalism rather than factual accuracy. And anything that looks like it's being produced for the primary purpose of shocking and horrifying the viewer should be regarded with immediate suspicion.
I watched some of it, but this is a fucking long video -- hell, at just under two hours, it's a movie, not a video. I got about twenty minutes into it, and I'm not very swayed by it. It seems like a lot of conjecture and spider-web thin connections.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-23 05:20:00 EDT (#)
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I watched the bit of the film about 7/7. I don't have any questions.
I would be "allowed" to show it- who would stop me? I wouldn't though because it is rubbish.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-07-23 02:56:11 EDT (#)
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Oh christ...
The attention whore strikes again.
So, how much "independent investigation" did it take for you to find this video, dipshit?
Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2006-07-23 01:30:23 EDT (#)
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Get it off the front page!
Submitted by WingedFoote (user info) at 2006-07-23 00:49:53 EDT (#)
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no offense ets, but you're stupid...
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-07-23 00:40:18 EDT (#)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(video)#Criticisms
There. A real life webpage! Something you apparently desperately need in order to feel facts are any sort of proof!
And as far as my previous review, how about you address the fact that these kids plugged their movie at a neocon convention, the closest thing to socialism we'll socially allow in this country? Do you think maybe, just maybe, they realize their ideas are so fucking out there and liberal that the neocons are the only ones who will have them? Why didn't they advertise the film at a more mainstream event? Why would they side themselves, if the message truly is nonpartisan?
And stop being so pissy. People listen to charismatic speakers, not douchebags who get one little internet complaint and fly off the fucking handle about how his readers are idiots. You're a damn child, and you need to grow up.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-07-22 23:02:10 EDT (#)
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"Joys of yarn" got this one a +2.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 22:46:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:51:37 (#)
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I didn't say we were better, only different in our reaction to terrorist events, and outlook.
Of course style affects our perception and how seriously we take things. I'm more likely to believe something that somebody I know and trust tells me, or a piece of research with data and sources and findings that can be looked up, than a hysterical video on the Internet that looks like a pardody of something from 'The Day Today'.
I don't think I've criticised the American people here in the way you think I have, and you have no idea what I do or don't do every day to change things. Everybody with a social conscience has to make a difference in the way they know how- as part of my job I run the Media Studies course at my school and I think I make my own small difference in the world by teaching kids not to believe everything they see on TV, in the Newspaper or find on the Internet.
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But did you watch the film?
That's all I fucking care about at this point. All I really want to hear from you right now is, "No, I didn't watch the film." Or, "Yes I did watch the film and here are the specific pieces of information I have questions about: x, y, and z."
That's it. Nothing more really required.
Let me ask you this... Would you even be ALLOWED to present this video in that class you mentioned? Or even the information within?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 22:41:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-07-22 17:41:21 (#)
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You know, I did some research, after you forced "Loose Change" down all our throats with your Google video shenanigans...
Wikipedia itself, which was used as a fair portion of information in making the movie, states that many 9/11 fact-finding organizations found the documentary to be conspirical, misleading, and in some cases downright false.
"In the introduction to his 'Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide,' Mark Roberts states, 'I counted 81 errors of fact (statements like 1+1 = 3). In addition, I counted 345 instances of conjecture not supported by evidence, logical fallacies, uses of images that do not support the conclusions being drawn, and other flubs. And that's only counting errors of commission. The errors of omission are much more serious.'"
My point?
You abuse Google video.
And you're a nut.
(I watched Loose Change. All of it. Given that it was made by college students, who later in 2006 plugged the movie at a neo-con convention, it makes utter sense you'd believe it so all-encompassingly.)
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This entire review is worthless. Completely and totally worthless.
Unless you bring up specifics to debate, it does no good to attack the character of either me or those brilliant filmmakers.
Who in the fuck is Mark Roberts anyway? Did he take you through and SHOW you these 345 so-called fallacies personally? Did he allow for debate or rebuttal when he so sweepingly dismissed the film?
You bring something up, anything that's in that movie, any piece of evidence you think is falsified or otherwise fallacious, and MAYBE I'll schedule time out of my day to walk yoru stupid ass through it. Otherwise, move on. I don't need your pointless shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 22:34:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-07-22 17:41:21 (#)
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You know, I did some research, after you forced "Loose Change" down all our throats with your Google video shenanigans...
Wikipedia itself, which was used as a fair portion of information in making the movie, states that many 9/11 fact-finding organizations found the documentary to be conspirical, misleading, and in some cases downright false.
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Nice try. Wikipedia was used ONCE in the entire film and it had nothing to do with physical evidence, it had to do with trying to figure out how much gold was in the World Trade Center.
Submitted by Chad_Sexington (user info) at 2006-07-22 20:42:46 EDT (#)
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ETS out of USA!
Submitted by FunnyAsCancer (user info) at 2006-07-22 17:41:21 EDT (#)
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You know, I did some research, after you forced "Loose Change" down all our throats with your Google video shenanigans...
Wikipedia itself, which was used as a fair portion of information in making the movie, states that many 9/11 fact-finding organizations found the documentary to be conspirical, misleading, and in some cases downright false.
"In the introduction to his 'Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide,' Mark Roberts states, 'I counted 81 errors of fact (statements like 1+1 = 3). In addition, I counted 345 instances of conjecture not supported by evidence, logical fallacies, uses of images that do not support the conclusions being drawn, and other flubs. And that's only counting errors of commission. The errors of omission are much more serious.'"
My point?
You abuse Google video.
And you're a nut.
(I watched Loose Change. All of it. Given that it was made by college students, who later in 2006 plugged the movie at a neo-con convention, it makes utter sense you'd believe it so all-encompassingly.)
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-07-22 16:55:04 EDT (#)
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I only ever vote Green as a sort of obligation to my non-human friends.
I always feel stupid doing it though, not because I dont believe in what the Green party stands for but because the democratic election process is a sham.
A system of Governemnt based on what is essentially a popularity contest is no way to run a country. People only vote labour out of some twisted sense of "fuck you" to the torys for messing us aboot in the '80s and now the reverse is probably aboot to happen.
Shame there isnt a better way to do it really although I would much rather have some kind of Hell in a Cell cage match for deciding our leaders, Id much rather have Ric Flair in charge. Lets face it wouldnt YOU cheer if when Putin bad mouthed our PM instead of just grinning he went "WOOOO!" and clothes-lined him?
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-07-22 15:51:30 EDT (#)
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*sigh*
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-07-22 15:22:38 EDT (#)
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Certain people always slam ETS with a -2 regardless of what he posts.
When you -2 without watching/reading, you are indeed a fool.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-07-22 13:33:34 EDT (#)
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nice effort.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 12:40:43 EDT (#)
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ter_ter_act_200_inc_percap-2000-2006-incidences-per-capita
Puts the old war on terror in a slightly different perspective. More incidences of terrorism per capita between 2000 and 2006 in Sweden than both the US and UK.
Who has a problem with Sweden?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 12:33:38 EDT (#)
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I might have shown you this before, but it's interesting - check it out.
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics/stats
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 12:12:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:39:40 (#)
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I'm the complete opposite to you, Filthy. I believe the world has lost its sense of humanity totally, and as a natural instinctive response to the current state of affairs everyone has gone on the attack.
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I don't think people naturally go on the attack. They need the media and their politicians lying to hem to drum them up into a frenzy. But if we can cut off these fuckers' power by talking about this shit and sharing what we know with others, it will be harder for them to undermine our morality.
Why do you think I'm constantly talking about these things? For hits?
There are better ways to get hits and NOT be hated in the process.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-07-22 12:09:28 EDT (#)
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This post brought to you by the letters AM and by the number 3:30.
Submitted by Yams (user info) at 2006-07-22 12:06:23 EDT (#)
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Welllllll at least this post has some content.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:51:37 EDT (#)
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I didn't say we were better, only different in our reaction to terrorist events, and outlook.
Of course style affects our perception and how seriously we take things. I'm more likely to believe something that somebody I know and trust tells me, or a piece of research with data and sources and findings that can be looked up, than a hysterical video on the Internet that looks like a pardody of something from 'The Day Today'.
I don't think I've criticised the American people here in the way you think I have, and you have no idea what I do or don't do every day to change things. Everybody with a social conscience has to make a difference in the way they know how- as part of my job I run the Media Studies course at my school and I think I make my own small difference in the world by teaching kids not to believe everything they see on TV, in the Newspaper or find on the Internet.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:39:40 EDT (#)
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I'm the complete opposite to you, Filthy. I believe the world has lost its sense of humanity totally, and as a natural instinctive response to the current state of affairs everyone has gone on the attack.
See the trend of "ambulance-chaser" lawsuits in the US that is now expanding into the UK. No win, no fee solicitors firms to sue the council or company responsible for the land where you tripped over a fucking tree branch that fell during a storm and wasn't cleaned up in 0.0003 seconds, or the manhole cover that got wet in the rain and you slipped on. When did it stop being "Hey, maybe I shouldn't walk on that manhole cover" or "Hey, maybe I shouldn't hold this hot coffee in my crotch while driving my car" and it became "OH NOEZ THAR IZ A MANHOLE COVER WIV NO YELLOW TAPE AND FLASHNIG LYTES I MYTE FALL ON IT!!!12" and "I can save 10 minutes off my trip by NOT stopping to drink my coffee in the restaurant and instead holding JUST BOILED LIQUID BY MY SLIT AND DRIVING OFF!"?
Everyone's looking out for themselves now, and there's no room for a moral person to do anything but follow the crowd. To do any less would bring ruination to themself and the ones they care for.
The moral man is a step on a ladder for the corrupt and greedy to leaver themselves one rung higher.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:27:44 EDT (#)
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Change 'be' to 'me' and that will make marginally more sense.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:26:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:10:42 (#)
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Ethical; Yes, but they wouldn't be involved in the first place if they were ethical.
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And there's my problem. Perhaps I have far too rosy a view of humanity but I would expect people to lose sleep over being involved in this shit. Morality seems to be like a leaky tap - you can turn it off but it's still going to drip. Even the most ardent of bastards must have a moment of 'jesus, what have I done,' I would have thought.
I'm living in a dream world, apparently.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:22:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:16:25 (#)
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+2 for the "joys of fucking yarn"
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:18:46 EDT (#)
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I find it cute that all the Brits are camping on this post talking about how they're not anything like Americans.
Can you do one of these about Canada so Ubersite's Canadians can do the same?
(I smoked pot with a terrorist.)
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:16:25 EDT (#)
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+2 for the "joys of fucking yarn"
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:10:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:48:05 (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:25:25 (#)
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If what you're saying is true, ETS, and out governments are conspiring in the ways you suggest, we are powerless to stop them. They command the armies and the bombs and the missiles. We command the vote.
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Sure, the machine is unstoppable, but what is easy to forget is that the machine is made up of individuals. The cogs in the machine that perpetuate these events are all people - they all have a conscience no matter how deeply it may be buried. What if each of these people, when ordered to play their part in the crime said no? I know it sounds naive and ridiculous, but I think the principle of it is sound.
Of course there would be consequences, but then there are consequences to sitting back and saying "I don't care so long as it's not me." We might find we're just trading one hell for another.
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What reason do they have to say no?
Financial; No, they'll be richer after this.
Social; I don't see Tony Blair drinking Old Speckled Hen in my local pub, so what does he care what we think?
Moral; HA! Don't make me laugh.
Ethical; Yes, but they wouldn't be involved in the first place if they were ethical.
Naive and ridiculous it may be, but no more ridiculous than expecting the people to all of a sudden to amass and seize control themselves.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-07-22 11:04:16 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:48:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:25:25 (#)
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If what you're saying is true, ETS, and out governments are conspiring in the ways you suggest, we are powerless to stop them. They command the armies and the bombs and the missiles. We command the vote.
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Sure, the machine is unstoppable, but what is easy to forget is that the machine is made up of individuals. The cogs in the machine that perpetuate these events are all people - they all have a conscience no matter how deeply it may be buried. What if each of these people, when ordered to play their part in the crime said no? I know it sounds naive and ridiculous, but I think the principle of it is sound.
Of course there would be consequences, but then there are consequences to sitting back and saying "I don't care so long as it's not me." We might find we're just trading one hell for another.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:25:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:54:18 (#)
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WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING WANKER?
NOTHING BUT WHINGE ABOUT HOW NO-ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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HAHAHAHAHA!
There's still some British spirit in you. Never let them break you!
I'm with DMD's apathy vote. At least in a forced labour camp i'll die quickly and not have to live through the aftermath.
If what you're saying is true, ETS, and out governments are conspiring in the ways you suggest, we are powerless to stop them. They command the armies and the bombs and the missiles. We command the vote.
When Bush says he's above the law (As he's claimed to have stated twice in that film; yes, I watched it) then what makes you think he's not beyond stating he's above democratic process, due to the mass hysteria caused by liberal whingebags like yourself (should the public actually start believing in / caring about what you have to say)?
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-07-22 10:19:03 EDT (#)
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You're losing your schtick.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:54:18 EDT (#)
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WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT YOU FUCKING WANKER?
NOTHING BUT WHINGE ABOUT HOW NO-ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:47:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:01:25 (#)
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I think you make the mistake of assuming that I am intelligent.
And whilst I may be ignorant sometimes, I am a little flexible on my opinions at least - something i think this guy lacks massively.
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I'm not making any mistake - I know you're intelligent. Intelligent and thoughtful are too different things however.
When did this become about the differences between you and him? Nobody needs to be getting their cock out here (or at least not until I've had time to find my camera. Whether the british government orchestrated the london bombings or not has nothing to do with the personalities of two random people on a website so why is it even an issue here.
Saying "I may be ignorant sometimes, I am a little flexible on my opinions at least" is exactly the same as saying england is fucked up but hey, at least america has it worse. I think it's a pretty blinkered response to an important topic.
Does anybody actually want to discuss the video or are we just going to continue congratulating ourselves for being less shit than somebody/something else?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 09:33:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:56:25 (#)
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ETS my friend, you appear to have misunderstood a lot.
I'm not about to go through it all with you other than to say that your vehement and childish response to what were essentially valid points does more than anything I could say to destroy what little credibility you had in the first place.
whatever, if you'd actually like to have an intelligent conversation on the topic then I'm all ears.
It seems to me however, that you'd just rather throw a tantrum and waste everybody's time with inane comments.
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What valid points would those be? What valid points do you think you made? All you did was criticise me without doing the one simple thing I asked you to do which was watch the video.
You attack the way in which I say this and that...but you address nothing of what I actually ask you to, which in this case is nothing more than the video.
I wrote three lines and gave you a link and you didn't even watch the link, but made sure to bash what little I did say as being somehow over the top.
How can you blame a person for going off about that? Honestly? It's insulting to me. You might as well have used a fucking silk glove on my face and spat on my shoes.
From my perspective, it is YOU who have lost credibility here, because you continue to argue without watching the video.
That's all i'm asking, man. Watch it, then we'll talk.
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:47:29 (#)
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I did watch a bit of the video. I find it really hard to take it seriously with the graphics and over dramitism and stuff. Filthy has put a lot of the things I could have said about 3rd parties better than I could.
We are different to the USA because of being an older country- also, as filthy said, we're a lot more used to war and terrorism and stuff going on- nobody said theat the world had "changed forever" after 7/7 like they did after 9/11 (or 11/9, in English)
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How to put this delicately.....
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*thinks of delicate things...*
It is absolutely ridiculous to judge the content of the film (which is the thing I'm asking you to look at) based on the STYLE in which it is presented, would you not agree?
If you're concerned about the credibility of the writer or director of the film, then by all means, feel free to do independent research and see if he's lying to you.
If you can't take the style seriously that's one thing, but the claims he's making about your government and mine and what this means in a historical context, not to mention the obvious immediate context of Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and Afghanistan, should outweigh that.
But pretty much as I suspected, you people are just as spineless overall as we Americans are. you won't take a stand against tyranny if it doesn't involve you. As much as I'd hoped it wouldn't be the case, you're just as self-absorbed and in denial as we are.
You're used to the "terrorism stuff" as C1ndy so eloquently put it, and are above us Americans in that your government didn't try to sell it to you as if your world had "changed forever" (which, by the way, they DID with September 11th).
No, they just quietly legislate your rights away just like they've done here in the dead of night. And now you'll be quietly living under surveillance the rest of your natural lives. You might be ok with that, but seeing as you're not going to do a damned thing about it anyway, I don't guess it really matters, does it? As long as you get your football and your rugby...your tea and your beer...your bread and your circus, it's all ok. If that's the life you want, I understand. But let me remind you...that kind of life never lasts, and sooner or later, the debt collectors come for their due, and it will come at the price of your liberties.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:56:25 EDT (#)
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ETS my friend, you appear to have misunderstood a lot.
I'm not about to go through it all with you other than to say that your vehement and childish response to what were essentially valid points does more than anything I could say to destroy what little credibility you had in the first place.
whatever, if you'd actually like to have an intelligent conversation on the topic then I'm all ears.
It seems to me however, that you'd just rather throw a tantrum and waste everybody's time with inane comments.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:49:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Chillax (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:15:12 (#)
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I watched the first few seconds, and it was apparent that no sane British person made that video - it stunk of American overdramatism.
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Yes because if it was a British documetary it would have been about the joys of fucking yarn or something and would have been so goddamn PC and middle-of-the-road with just enough of a tinge of humor - excuse me, 'humour' - thrown in as to be entertaining without being demanding of the viewer or overly painful to watch.
I never realized this before...but you people are even more nationalistic than WE are!
And that's saying something.
If all you can do is talk about the STYLE of the fucking documentary as opposed to the content, then you aren't half as intelligent as you like to think you are. Just...go back to watching Channel 4 then if it's that goddamn painful for you.
This fucking sucks that you people are forcing me to feel this way about you. I had hoped for more from the Brits than I'd gotten from the fucking Americans. I actually had it in my head that you lot might somehow be more enlightened. Guess I was wrong.
Now I suppose I'll have to move to fucking Canada to escape the ignorance....
...with Pepe Laflamme.
Fuck.
Well, at least shitfuck is there.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:37:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:13:42 (#)
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Work PC doesn't have sound so I Haven't had a chance to yet, the tone of ETS's introduction just amused me is all. Even if the video turns out to contain damning and irrefutable evidence that Big Tony himself went around and planted the bombs personally with his trademark grin on his face, I - along with most of the rest of the population - would neither be shocked, surprised or bothered.
but let's face it, it's not likely to show anything of that ilk anyway. And whilst I know that our government is far from perfect and transparent, I like to think that we're a long way away from the psuedo-tyranny with which ETS brands his own rulers.
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Typical, smug British response. "We can't possibly be more fucked up than the Americans (even though your government acts as a fucking lapdog to every goddamn thing we do.)
My 'introduction', as you called it, was pretty much spot on then if this is your fucking reaction.
"I - along with most of the rest of the population - would neither be shocked, surprised or bothered."
AND....what did I say?
Like I said...typical.
Now go fuck yourself seeing as you didn't even watch the film.
By the way..."the way he puts his points across" doesn't apply here since I basically just linked you to a fucking link and asked you what you would do about it.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 08:01:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:59:42 (#)
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I have reservations about the way he expresses himself sometimes and I can think of quite a few occasions where I have publically called him on it, but I think that when our first response to someone with an extreme position is to take an opposite but equally extreme position of "lalalalala I can't hear you" then we're guilty of the same crime they are.
Yes, sometimes he crosses a line, but he's passionate about this and I actually think that's admirable. I would rather see more screaming ETS's than more intelligent people dismissing something interesting and relevant to almost every aspect of their life because "they have better things to do"
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I think you make the mistake of assuming that I am intelligent.
And whilst I may be ignorant sometimes, I am a little flexible on my opinions at least - something i think this guy lacks massively.
Submitted by Maltese (user info) at 2006-07-22 07:23:21 EDT (#)
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ATTN GHEY BRITS!
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:59:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:46:19 (#)
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Sure Filthy, you're probably right.
I think my main concern is that the way ETS puts his points accross means he does more harm for his 'cause' that he does good. I'm more inclined to listen to somebody who says "this is quite intresting and you should watch it regardless of your curren views" rather than some frothing madman sho screams "THE SHOCKING TRUTH - BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SAY AND ALL OF THE SOURCES THAT I QUOTE OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP". Friends as you are, even you have to admit that at times - he just sounds like a fucking lunatic.
I guess I just don't like being preached at.
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I have reservations about the way he expresses himself sometimes and I can think of quite a few occasions where I have publically called him on it, but I think that when our first response to someone with an extreme position is to take an opposite but equally extreme position of "lalalalala I can't hear you" then we're guilty of the same crime they are.
Yes, sometimes he crosses a line, but he's passionate about this and I actually think that's admirable. I would rather see more screaming ETS's than more intelligent people dismissing something interesting and relevant to almost every aspect of their life because "they have better things to do"
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:47:29 EDT (#)
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I did watch a bit of the video. I find it really hard to take it seriously with the graphics and over dramitism and stuff. Filthy has put a lot of the things I could have said about 3rd parties better than I could.
We are different to the USA because of being an older country- also, as filthy said, we're a lot more used to war and terrorism and stuff going on- nobody said theat the world had "changed forever" after 7/7 like they did after 9/11 (or 11/9, in English)
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:46:19 EDT (#)
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Sure Filthy, you're probably right.
I think my main concern is that the way ETS puts his points accross means he does more harm for his 'cause' that he does good. I'm more inclined to listen to somebody who says "this is quite intresting and you should watch it regardless of your curren views" rather than some frothing madman sho screams "THE SHOCKING TRUTH - BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SAY AND ALL OF THE SOURCES THAT I QUOTE OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP". Friends as you are, even you have to admit that at times - he just sounds like a fucking lunatic.
I guess I just don't like being preached at.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:33:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:13:42 (#)
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Work PC doesn't have sound so I Haven't had a chance to yet, the tone of ETS's introduction just amused me is all. Even if the video turns out to contain damning and irrefutable evidence that Big Tony himself went around and planted the bombs personally with his trademark grin on his face, I - along with most of the rest of the population - would neither be shocked, surprised or bothered.
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Sure, I'll agree with you there. We're blase about this - the question is, should we be? I've watched the video and I have my reservations about it, but it makes some interesting observations regardless of whether or not you agree with them.
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:13:42 (#)
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but let's face it, it's not likely to show anything of that ilk anyway. And whilst I know that our government is far from perfect and transparent, I like to think that we're a long way away from the psuedo-tyranny with which ETS brands his own rulers.
(and yes, I know that it's remiss of me to judge this video without having watched it yet, but frankly, I've better things to do)
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I think we're nowhere near as fucked up as the states, but if we find our response to the failings of our state to be a sighed "oh well, at least we're not america" then we're probably a lot more similar to the worst aspects of american culture than I would like to believe.
Submitted by tuesdaydelay (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:28:54 EDT (#)
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"They have staged all this terrorism for their little sheep (you and me) to turn our minds and hearts against anyone with brown skin and a fucking turbin. "
They don't have to try hard. Those cunts shit in the middle of the street. In Manchester. True DAT!
Submitted by Chillax (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:15:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 05:46:40 (#)
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AHahahahahah!!!
You really don't understand England at all do you??
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I watched the first few seconds, and it was apparent that no sane British person made that video - it stunk of American overdramatism.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:13:42 EDT (#)
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Work PC doesn't have sound so I Haven't had a chance to yet, the tone of ETS's introduction just amused me is all. Even if the video turns out to contain damning and irrefutable evidence that Big Tony himself went around and planted the bombs personally with his trademark grin on his face, I - along with most of the rest of the population - would neither be shocked, surprised or bothered.
but let's face it, it's not likely to show anything of that ilk anyway. And whilst I know that our government is far from perfect and transparent, I like to think that we're a long way away from the psuedo-tyranny with which ETS brands his own rulers.
(and yes, I know that it's remiss of me to judge this video without having watched it yet, but frankly, I've better things to do)
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 06:02:50 EDT (#)
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Did you watch the video spam?
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-07-22 05:46:40 EDT (#)
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AHahahahahah!!!
You really don't understand England at all do you??
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 05:30:30 EDT (#)
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Bed time...
Monteray @ 10:00 am.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 05:29:00 EDT (#)
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I was about to say. By the end of your comment I was like, "Honey just shut up and watch the fucking video." :P
You think it's a different "cultural climate", but we're all the same. Humans are all the same in that we all FEAR and we all respond to FEAR.
Power IS fear. And it's the same now as it was in the time of ancient Egypt. The players are different, but the game is the same.
For the record, as I watched the 7/7 portion of that video, even thought I am well aware what our governments are capable of, I still let out an audible "HOLY SHIT!"
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-07-22 05:15:30 EDT (#)
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Hmm. Just a few initial thoughts...
If you wanted to stir up the same kind of public hysteria as american post-9/11 in england, I don't think bombing london transport is the best way to do it. London has been a target for bomb threats for decades and most londoners are blase about it. Ask 99.9% of londoners what they did the day after 7/7 and they will confirm that they got on the tube and went to work, as normal. Similarly with our response to islam, the majority voice is that the british muslim and non-muslim communities need to work together to resist extremism in all it's forms - perhaps I'm just associating with the wrong kind of people but I just don't think there is any entrenched hostility to islam in british society. If anything, 7/7 turned people against america more than any other group, and our government for getting into bed with her - the response was "fuck you, we told you we didn't want to go to war because we knew we'd become a target and now look what you've fucking done." Even my mum, possibly the most right-wing brit that I know, and whose son was nearly killed that day echoed the sentiment that we had brought it on ourselves and our 'special relationship' with america was more of a threat to us than anything.
You've got to understand that it's a different cultural climate to america. Even your most left wing politicians would be considered right wing over here. And while I have reservations about the impartiality of the british press, look at this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html There you have a british politician and former cabinet minister in a widely read and well respected national newspaper implicating the american government in 9/11. Go check out some of our news people like Jeremy Paxman - notorious for holding everyone in absolute contempt. His interview with Michael Howard is absolutely hilarious - Howard tries to sidestep the question so Paxman just keeps asking it, again and again and again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/newsnight25/4182569.stm
We do have a third party and people do vote for them. Hell, we've got a fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh party too. Look at the results for the last election - traditionally there has always been the perception that a vote for anyone other than labour or the conservatives was wasted, but so many people opted to vote for one of the more minor parties to send a message to Blair that he was going down the wrong track.
Now all this is pointless british rambling that really just says "you should come and live in britain because you'd probably like it a lot more than where you are now" but I felt like saying it.
If you want to see the british government sabotaging its own people, look into mad cow disease and the hysteria following that. We were piling cows up in the fields and burning them and our response to bird flu has indicated that no lessons were learned there whatsoever.
Right, on to watching the video.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:53:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:07:53 (#)
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I try to vote for someone different each time.
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This is the funniest thing I've heard today.
The world needs more people like c1ndy.
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Yes, if we were all like C1ndy, our elections would consist, statistically, of one party winning by one vote in every election.
At this point, I urge everyone, whether you're in Britain or the United States, to vote for a third party, or an underdog party. That's the only way to tip the balance of power and contravert this trend.
If you can't look at 9/11 and 7/7 and see government involvement, at LEAST look toward Israel right now and ask yourselves why Britain and the U.S., the supposed champions of human rights, aren't saying a fucking word to stop it. They debate and do nothing. Why?
WHY?
You already know why.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:41:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:07:53 (#)
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I try to vote for someone different each time.
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This is the funniest thing I've heard today.
The world needs more people like c1ndy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:23:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:11:32 (#)
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awwww I want to be your British friend. Is it becaue I'm pregnant?
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Watch the video and I'll be your friend.
I wouldn't ask unless I thought it was important. Whatever you think about the opening, it's incredibly important, but if you must, fast forward to timecode 18:25 and you can get to the meat of 7/7.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:11:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:44:11 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:42:27 (#)
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you're a stupid douchebag. Israel is doing what it has been doing since the 40s, when neither the british or americans supported them, they're overreacting and making an example out of hostile countries, which completely surround israel, most of the time doing things on principle isn't a good idea, but it seems to be working for israel, so good for them, fuck you
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I'm well aware of your stupidity without you repeating it, thank you.
Besides, this wasn't for you. This is for my British friends, specifically FilthyAssistant and Scott_James.
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awwww I want to be your British friend. Is it becaue I'm pregnant?
I think British people are far less patriotic than Americans, and far more likely to be cynical about their government.
Attitude towards flags is a specific example of this- if you burned a union jack or the english flag in front of me I seriouly wouldn't care. I once sat in on a very serious discussion between some American southerners about the correct way to dispose of an old flag, because it was "disrespectful" to throw it in the bin.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-07-22 04:07:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:37:22 (#)
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How many Brits voted for Labour Party in the last elections?
What was your reasoning?
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I didn't because I am an irresponsible voter. I try to vote for someone different each time. I have voted: Laobour, green, Liberal Democrat and senior citizens party... and once I just wrote on the paper that I hated them all.
I didn't watch the film because it was too long and the intro was melodramamtic.
There are conspiracy theories about 7/7 all over the British media- I think we are either more likely to distrust our government or the British government have less control over the media.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:46:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:44:10 (#)
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no I'm not british, you said take it or leave it and I'm leaving it
I've lost all hope politically and I don't care anymore
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I'm sorry to hear that, man. But giving up isn't going to save you from a concentration camp if one of these crazy sons of fucks decide to throw you in one.
I suggest arming yourself. Unfortunately, our British brethren don't have that option.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:44:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:42:27 (#)
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you're a stupid douchebag. Israel is doing what it has been doing since the 40s, when neither the british or americans supported them, they're overreacting and making an example out of hostile countries, which completely surround israel, most of the time doing things on principle isn't a good idea, but it seems to be working for israel, so good for them, fuck you
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I'm well aware of your stupidity without you repeating it, thank you.
Besides, this wasn't for you. This is for my British friends, specifically FilthyAssistant and Scott_James.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:44:10 EDT (#)
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no I'm not british, you said take it or leave it and I'm leaving it
I've lost all hope politically and I don't care anymore
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:42:27 EDT (#)
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you're a stupid douchebag. Israel is doing what it has been doing since the 40s, when neither the british or americans supported them, they're overreacting and making an example out of hostile countries, which completely surround israel, most of the time doing things on principle isn't a good idea, but it seems to be working for israel, so good for them, fuck you
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:37:22 EDT (#)
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How many Brits voted for Labour Party in the last elections?
What was your reasoning?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:34:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:32:18 (#)
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I'll probably be leaving it
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You're British???
Hell, I didn't know that.
Seriously, man. Please please watch this. Do it for the queen or something. I don't care, just look and listen.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:32:18 EDT (#)
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I'll probably be leaving it
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-07-22 03:31:19 EDT (#)
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Israel, Britain, and the U.S. are going to try to take over the middle east.
They are going after lebanon now.
Syria next.
Then Iran.
They have staged all this terrorism for their little sheep (you and me) to turn our minds and hearts against anyone with brown skin and a fucking turbin.