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Submitted by squattail (View user info) at 2006-08-01 11:12:32 EDT
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the dust covered babies being clawed out from underneath levelled lebanese buildings. Also spare a thought for the hezbollah militants dressed as civilians who are doing all the heavy lifting to drag those dusty carcasses out, moving rubble is hard work in the sun. After all that they even go to the effort of posing with grief stricken faces as they shake somebody else's dead kid in front of the cameras.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 21:45:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 20:51:10 (#)
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Fuck off. I'm not discussing this with you any more, I told you to stop putting words in my mouth.
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I don't think I put words in your mouth, I type fast when something bothers me, so sorry if I paraphrased wrong or misunderstood your point. It is unintentional, I am really honestly baffled by a lot of peoples response to this whole thing.
Israel has (had?) to use air strikes (a cease fire may be in order now, but hezebullah also has the power to stop it by giving the soilder back, or at least the body).
What would you do if you were hezebullah and Israel came after you?
I would leave small groups of troops behind in entrenched hidden positions to pick off soilders. I would take the majority of my forces and continue pulling back until I was well within the area controlled by regular lebenese army. The whole time I was doing this I would be launching rockets into any area of Israel I could hit.
I would be picking off soilders (more than I lost) and hitting targets in Israel. I would be hiding as far away from the border as I could so Israel would have to engage the regular lebanese army if they wanted to engage me.
Tell me that is crazy or far fetched. Tell me you think israel could go in on the ground and catch mobile rocket launchers before they pulled back unless they did bomb the roads? Do you think there aren't neighboring countries who would attack them if their army was over extended, or at least allow groups in their countries to attack them? Do you think the regular lebanese army or an internatinal force would go in and stop hezebullah?
When I look at their options I see bombing any areas hezebullah is launching attacks as the only sane answer (maybe they could stop now). If I was in their shoes I would do the same. I think any sane person put in their shoes would do the same. I am not saying their lives are worth more, I am not saying it because they are hebes.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 20:51:10 EDT (#)
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Fuck off. I'm not discussing this with you any more, I told you to stop putting words in my mouth.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 20:41:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 19:41:59 (#)
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If a terrorist or terrorists are hiding in a building with civilians that does not mean you should kill everyone in the building.
For fucks sake man, there have been at least 10 times as many civilian casualties as Hezbollah due to Israeli air strikes. Can you not see that that should not be allowed?
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If they are attacking from another country and that country (actually nobody else) will do anything to stop them, I think you should. I am sure we will never see eye to eye on that point though.
Can you see that hezebullah using civilians as shields should not be allowed? You don't put an ounce of blame on them? It is my opinion (and history backs me on this) that if you allow them to get away with it they will never stop. But it is a fact that they know (hezebullah) they are drawing targets on their own civilians.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 20:35:42 EDT (#)
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I get your point, and it is childish.
Grow the fuck up. Civilians die in war, and hezebullah started this war, hezebullah brings the war to civilian areas, if you can't see that you must be mildly retarted. Do you have some sort of memory problem? Hezebullah, without provocation, crossed the border and kidnapped an israeli citizen. Hezebullah refused to give the soilder back.
Use your fucking head.
Why do you think Israel is bombing those places?
You place absolutely no blame on Hezebullah for trying to use civilians as shields?
You act like this shit is happening in a fucking vaccuum.
If you are with your family and I grab a random hostage and start shooting at your family killing one at a time, are you justified at shooting at me if you might kill the hostage? Whose hands is the blood of the hostage on if they are killed?
You don't think hezebullah knows civilians will be killed if they launch from those areas? Why are they not to blame?
Israel has a duty to its citizens, not to the citizens of Lebannon, I sympathize with them, I think it is terrible but they don't have a choice.
Lets pretend that Israel should care more about lebanese lives than their own citizens. They go in on foot to troops that have been entrenching themselves for just such an attack for the past 6 years. They suffer losses, push hezebullah back intot he cities, and then shell the cities with smaller arms. Just as many will die, that is unless of course an international force intervenes before this can happen and hezebullah walks away in the arab world being a hero for fighting and winning against israel.
I really don't get people like you. I understand not liking it, I understand thinking it should stop, I even understand blaming Israel, but not putting just as much (or more) blame on Hezebullah is baffling to me.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 19:41:59 EDT (#)
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For the love of god get this through your thick skull.
Israel is (was) bombing and killing civilians.
Bombing and killing civilians is wrong.
It is a very simple concept.
If you are attacking people in urban areas, or bombing miliraty targets within towns it is likely that some civilians will get killed.
That does not mean you can intentionally bomb civilians.
If a terrorist or terrorists are hiding in a building with civilians that does not mean you should kill everyone in the building.
For fucks sake man, there have been at least 10 times as many civilian casualties as Hezbollah due to Israeli air strikes. Can you not see that that should not be allowed?
There is no justification for an air strike that will kill more than 10 times as many civilians as enemy combatants.
If you respond to this pleasse stop impliying that I have sadi things I have not.
I did NOT say Hezbollah was justified in attacking civilians and I did NOT say Israel should just let Hezbollah attack them.
My entire point is that Israel has adopted tactics which are causing massively disproportionate civilian deaths.
Civilian deaths=bad.
Idiot.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:40:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:16:52 (#)
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Oh for petes sake....look its comparitively massive, as in at least ten times more civilians than Hezbollah.
For fucks sake. If you can't see that intentionally killing civilians is wrong then I give up on this conversation.
Israel is intentionally killing civilians.
That is my problem. I think intentionally killing civilians is wrong. For fucks sake, people are starting to throw hrases like war crimes around, and not wackos like ETS, I mean people from the UN.
If this was Syria bombing Israel in response to rocket attacks by Jewish suremacy grousp you would have a completely different view and you know it.
Fuck it, I give up. I think killing civilians is wrong. You think its alright as long as you're trying to kill bad guys at the same time. It is a difference of opinion, but its a fucked up one.
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Who the fuck would stop hezebullah if israel wasn't doing this? How long do you think they should have sit there and let hezebullah bomb them before they reacted?
They have tried cease fires and prisoner exchanges before (when hezebullah kidnapped a civilian in a third country) and it comes back to the same place. They have proven time and time again you can't deal with them. Israel has given them back their land and they are still attacked, the govt, the international community has doen nothing to stop it. Israel has given their land back, it has given Gaza back, it is in the process of giving the west bank back, and what has happened? They are attacked time and time again, dealing doesn't work. Cease fires are only time for groups to re-arm and attack again.
If an israeli group crossed into syria and kidnapped a soilder refused to give it back and started lunching rockets, and the israeli govt said they would do nothing about it, and they refused to return the soilder, I would view it exactly the same.
I DO think intentionally killing civilians is wrong, but I also realize that this shit isn't going on in a fucking vaccuum. Hezebullah instigated it, Hezebullah won't give the soilder back, hezebullah cointinues to launch attacks from civilian locations and it is all Israel's fault?
I am not trying to say Israel's hands are clean but most of the blame IS on hezebullah. If they wouldn't launch rockets from civilian areas civilian areas wouldn't be hit. Israel isn't intentionally killing civilians. They are intentionally going after hezebullah rocket launching sites, hezebullah is intentionally putting them in civilian areas.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:20:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:14:57 (#)
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Lets pretend that Israel had launched no bombs and had just sent in troops. what do yoou think would have happened after week 1? Hezebullah would have pulled back into civilian cities and just picked off soilders from there, do you think Israel would be able to go house to house throughout every city in southern Lebannon without killing just as many civilians?
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In situation one, they've chosen to kill civilian.
In situation two, they're trying to avoid killing civilians.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:16:52 EDT (#)
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Oh for petes sake....look its comparitively massive, as in at least ten times more civilians than Hezbollah.
For fucks sake. If you can't see that intentionally killing civilians is wrong then I give up on this conversation.
Israel is intentionally killing civilians.
That is my problem. I think intentionally killing civilians is wrong. For fucks sake, people are starting to throw hrases like war crimes around, and not wackos like ETS, I mean people from the UN.
If this was Syria bombing Israel in response to rocket attacks by Jewish suremacy grousp you would have a completely different view and you know it.
Fuck it, I give up. I think killing civilians is wrong. You think its alright as long as you're trying to kill bad guys at the same time. It is a difference of opinion, but its a fucked up one.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 11:14:57 EDT (#)
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Lets pretend that Israel had launched no bombs and had just sent in troops. what do yoou think would have happened after week 1? Hezebullah would have pulled back into civilian cities and just picked off soilders from there, do you think Israel would be able to go house to house throughout every city in southern Lebannon without killing just as many civilians?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 10:55:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 10:39:48 (#)
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Lets say I was a drug dealer and the cops came to my house and I opened fire on them. If they shot back and killed my child, would I be at fault? Who would you blame more? If you lived next door and I was shooting randomly into your house would you want the cops to try and kill me?
Thats exactly it. I would expect the cops to siege the house, and if other occupants got killed, sad as it may be, hard cheese for them, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
But.
In this case the police have bombed the house to the ground, killing the drug dealer and the 10 innocent people that they knew with 99% certainty were there.
There is a difference between trying to avoid civilian casualties and deciding to adopt a strategy which you know will result in massive civilian casualties.
As I said, those statistics are out of date, and I fully excpet the ratio to come down now the Izraelis are using ground troops more, but the exact ratio of civilian to Hezbollah deaths is not the point.
The point is, that Israel has bombed and killed civilian targets. If you think that a terrorist is hiding in a hospital or a block of flats, you do not decide that a good way to be sure of getting him is to kill everone in that block of flats.
Israel has decided to kill groups of civilians in order to get the terrorist hiding among them.
Look imagine these are white people, would it have been acceptable for the UK to bomb Belfast in the 1980s in response to IRA bombings.
Hell fucking no.
Now explain one single difference.
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Sorry but the causalties this far are very very far from massive. Israel IS showing restraint. They could have leveled cities and they haven't. If a rocket is fired at them, they fire back at that spot. They warned people to get out (I am not sure if this is sometimes, most the time or all the time).
One single difference?
How about some of the people in Belfast were against the IRA (in fact a large portion was against them in the 1980's).
How about Belfast was part of the UK in 1980's.
If the UK marched troops into Belfast would they be fought every mile of the way by snipers and mines?
And most importantly hezebullah is not sending people into Israel with bombs, they are launching rockets, rockets that can be traced back to a launch area that can be destroyed..
In fact that situation is absolutely nothing like what is going on in the middle east. Israel has given Lebannon everything it wanted. It would be like if the UK gave up on Ireland and then the IRA kidnapped a UK soilder and started launching rockets.
It has nothing to do with weather or not they are white. It has nothing to do with their religion. In fact the number killed there is less that are killed in a bad day in Iraq by death squads or bombs but since they are allies of the US you feel the need to protest and call them killers.
No country in the world would tolerate a foreign nation crossing the border, kidnapping citizens, and then allow them to launch missiles unchallenged.
You place absolutely no blame on hezebullah? Are you denying they are the ones who choose where they are launching the missiles from? the ball is in their fucking court, the blood is on their hands.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 10:39:48 EDT (#)
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Lets say I was a drug dealer and the cops came to my house and I opened fire on them. If they shot back and killed my child, would I be at fault? Who would you blame more? If you lived next door and I was shooting randomly into your house would you want the cops to try and kill me?
Thats exactly it. I would expect the cops to siege the house, and if other occupants got killed, sad as it may be, hard cheese for them, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
But.
In this case the police have bombed the house to the ground, killing the drug dealer and the 10 innocent people that they knew with 99% certainty were there.
There is a difference between trying to avoid civilian casualties and deciding to adopt a strategy which you know will result in massive civilian casualties.
As I said, those statistics are out of date, and I fully excpet the ratio to come down now the Izraelis are using ground troops more, but the exact ratio of civilian to Hezbollah deaths is not the point.
The point is, that Israel has bombed and killed civilian targets. If you think that a terrorist is hiding in a hospital or a block of flats, you do not decide that a good way to be sure of getting him is to kill everone in that block of flats.
Israel has decided to kill groups of civilians in order to get the terrorist hiding among them.
Look imagine these are white people, would it have been acceptable for the UK to bomb Belfast in the 1980s in response to IRA bombings.
Hell fucking no.
Now explain one single difference.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-03 10:02:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 05:54:01 (#)
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Nobody here is suggesting that hezbollah is right to kill civilians, you ARE suggesting that its alright for Israel to kill civilians, that is the difference.
We seem to have hit a fundamental difference of opinion, you think its alright to bomb civilians areas if you suspect theres a few terrorists in with them, whereas I don't.
Just to stop any argument about the definition of 'few' I'd better quantify it.
The last I heard, which is a couple of days out of date now, Israeli armed forces had killed roughly 20 civilians for every member of hezbollah killed.
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I am not suggesting it is right for israel to kill civilians, I am suggesting it is right that they attack hezebullah.
It is Hezebullah who CHOOSES to attack from civilian areas. The deaths, as far as I am concerned, lie mostly on their shoulders not Israel's.
Lets say I was a drug dealer and the cops came to my house and I opened fire on them. If they shot back and killed my child, would I be at fault? Who would you blame more? If you lived next door and I was shooting randomly into your house would you want the cops to try and kill me?
The difference between Israel and hezebullah is that hezebullah specifically targets civilian areas, they celebrate civilian deaths, and they launch attacks from civilian areas. Israel only goes after Hezebullah, yes civilians get killed in the way but it is because hezebullah hides among civilians.
As far as the 20 civilians for eveyr hezebullah killed I am wondering where that stat is from. I mean these guys aren't in uniform, they don't have dog tags, there isn't a daily roll-call where they report losses to the media. Ask yourself if you were living there do you think you would tell the media that, "oh that dead guy over there, yeah he was in hezebullah". You don't think that they control a lot of info coming out of the area? You don't think they want the number of their own killed minimized and the number of civilians exaggerrated? I mean look at the broadcasts their radio station is making (al-nura???), they sunk and Israeli warship, hundreds were killed at Quana (BBC reported 55, which will soon be retracted to 28 if they bother to cover the story anymore).
Even if the 20-1 ratio is correct I think the burden still lies on hezebullah. If Israel let them attack without responding then the attacks would never stop, hezebullah would win.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-03 05:54:01 EDT (#)
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Nobody here is suggesting that hezbollah is right to kill civilians, you ARE suggesting that its alright for Israel to kill civilians, that is the difference.
We seem to have hit a fundamental difference of opinion, you think its alright to bomb civilians areas if you suspect theres a few terrorists in with them, whereas I don't.
Just to stop any argument about the definition of 'few' I'd better quantify it.
The last I heard, which is a couple of days out of date now, Israeli armed forces had killed roughly 20 civilians for every member of hezbollah killed.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-08-02 10:00:01 EDT (#)
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+2 for the fucking shirt.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-02 07:09:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-08-01 22:20:46 (#)
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God I love how it's so simple for some people: "Teh news told me that Hezbollah are bad and Israel is good... kill all teh hezbollah!!!" yea, that's directed at YOU pff, you fucking simplistic moron.
And WHAT THE FUCK is up with that article?
"THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah"
err... it is? umm.... why exactly? I see some guys with guns standing around a truck with a big gun, and some other guy with a gun standing in the bushes somewhere... I SEE NO CIVILIANS OR EVIDENCE OF CIVILIANS IN THOSE PHOTOS. Jesus titty-fucking Christ some of you cunts are fucking gullible, you'd believe pretty much anything the media throws at you, no questions asked.
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Look at the back ground dumbass, does it look like they are out in the middle of nowhere, or does it look like they are in a city?
The story accompanying the picture (if you could read you would know this) says it was taken in a high density residential area.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-08-02 04:29:40 EDT (#)
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if only there was a way to simultaneously kill every religious person in the world
Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-08-01 22:20:46 EDT (#)
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God I love how it's so simple for some people: "Teh news told me that Hezbollah are bad and Israel is good... kill all teh hezbollah!!!" yea, that's directed at YOU pff, you fucking simplistic moron.
And WHAT THE FUCK is up with that article?
"THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah"
err... it is? umm.... why exactly? I see some guys with guns standing around a truck with a big gun, and some other guy with a gun standing in the bushes somewhere... I SEE NO CIVILIANS OR EVIDENCE OF CIVILIANS IN THOSE PHOTOS. Jesus titty-fucking Christ some of you cunts are fucking gullible, you'd believe pretty much anything the media throws at you, no questions asked.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-08-01 21:57:17 EDT (#)
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The Israelites are God's chosen people!! PRAISE GOD AND JESUS!!!
The rest of you who aren't there to see what's happening:
Shut The Fuck Up. You know only what you read. I doubt you have
the rudimentary skills to sort the wheat from the chaff. :)
PS: I really don't fucking care. . .
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-01 20:15:44 EDT (#)
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+2 to further the Hate
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-08-01 19:25:09 EDT (#)
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I support Isreal's right to bomb whatever the fuck they have to to wipe out Hezbollah.
What, it's not like we didn't do it to stop the fascists; let them do it to stop the Islamofascists.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:30:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:19:05 (#)
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Because, just maybe, ther aren't any respresentatives of Hezbollah or the Israeli govt on Ubersite.
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But you question Israel's actions and not hezebullah's?
Why is that?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:28:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:19:05 (#)
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Yes I think they should have used ground troops, yes and risk their own. The idea that you are serously suggesting bombing civilian areas because you don't wasnt to risk troop to troop contact disgusts me.
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Really
Israel was not the aggressor here. They were attacked, they are still being attacked. Why should they go out of their way to protect a civilian population that supports the group that attacks them?
Israel's only choice is to pound hezebullah out of existance. To make supporting them or allowing them to exist among you such an undesirable thing the people won't allow it or an international force stops it. If they go in on foot and lose a hundred people (even if they wiped out 99% of hezebullah) it would be a victory for hezebullah.
If you are so concerned for civilians why don't you condemn Hezebullah for launching rockets from within civilian areas?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:26:57 EDT (#)
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I gotta go, cya ina day or two.
Have a slightly improved rating just for the title
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:19:05 EDT (#)
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Because, just maybe, ther aren't any respresentatives of Hezbollah or the Israeli govt on Ubersite.
There are fucking endless pictures of streets that have been flattened, I know they haven't actually destroyed any entire cities but that was a lot simpler to say than 'destroying many buildings which definately have civilians in them'
Yes I think they should have used ground troops, yes and risk their own. The idea that you are serously suggesting bombing civilian areas because you don't wasnt to risk troop to troop contact disgusts me.
And you other point is just stupid, they are sending ground troops on now, and Hezbollah will have been trying to drum up support already.
Do you seriously think that a purely ground invasion would have been MORE likely to piss people off enough to go fight than this is? For fucks sake, even the west is acknowledging that Israel isn't too far away from commiting war crimes, how do you think this is playing with Hezbollah sympathizers?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:11:29 EDT (#)
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Forget Hezbollah, now, Jizzbollah, you gota watch out for those muthafuckas...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 16:10:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:30:05 (#)
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If people are firing rockets at you from inside cities do you
A) Ignore them and hope they get bored - Fucking stupid and would encourage no attacks since it would be seen as a sign of weakness, nevermind the soilders that would be killed.
B) Use massive bombs to destroy the cities - I hope you aren't implying that they are doing this if so I recommend you study modern bombs.
C) Send in troops to kill them - And risk their own? And encourage aid from other muslims countries when they claim they are being invaded?
D) Attempt to negotiate - They have attempted in the past and it has done nothing but give hezebullah time to re-arm and attack again, all while lending legitimacy to them and making them more popular in arabic eyes for "handling" israel.
E) Destroy Roads, bridges and airports so no-one can get away then use massive bombs to destroy the cities. - Destroyed roads and bridges that hezebullah would use to move arms. They haven't used massive bombs to destroy cities.
F) Give in to all their demands - their demands will never end. They gave in to their demands when they gave back all lebenese land years ago and look at what is happening now.
G) Destroy Roads, Bridges, airports, power supplies, water supplies, use your political influence to prevent AID and then use massive bombs to destroy the cities, including firing for 11 hours straight ignoring the UN ringing you up and telling you that the particular builing you are aiming at is actually a UN building and the people inside are UN workers not terrorists. - Once again they are not destroying cities. They were firing around the UN building for 11 hours because hezebullah was launching attacks from there (please see the story I linked below)
Their tactics may be a little heavy handed, but they are completely understandable. If they have any hope of destroying hezebullah's launchers they have to strike around civilians because they are being used by hezebullah as shields.
Why do you have no clever little multiple choice questions for them?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 15:34:33 EDT (#)
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Had no choice? they had a wide variety of choices which I outlined below. Pick one. And tell me why its the best option. that means comparing it to all the other options, not just the ones such as ignoring it.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-08-01 15:17:24 EDT (#)
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I want to watch Detroit Rock City now.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 14:11:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:17:10 (#)
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Oh my god! Salon had an advertisement for the Onion on one of its banners?! Well surely the veracity of all they're articles must now be drawn into question!
That's quite some logic there. Of course, it's about on par with what I would expect...
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Yeah, it does.
I am not saying they are all lies, but it does warrant questions if that is what they are advertising for.
But lets look at the facts.
We have a letter from a UN General claiming that Hezebullah has used them as a shield.
We have photos of armed hezebullah troops in suburbs smuggled out of the country (and yes they were smuggled the hezebullah would not allow photographs of stuff like that out and they try and prevent journalists from seeing such things).
We have clips from the IDF showing rocket fire coming from suburbs.
And we have this guys unsubstantiated claim. Guess what he says must be the truth.
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:42:15 EDT (#)
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Auto +2 ETS bashing
Submitted by Fungah (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:41:15 EDT (#)
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Nuke the middle east.
Submitted by Vengance (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:29:02 EDT (#)
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Yay for propaganda.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:22:22 EDT (#)
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You're a retard but you nailed this one on title alone.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:17:31 EDT (#)
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"their"
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:17:10 EDT (#)
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Oh my god! Salon had an advertisement for the Onion on one of its banners?! Well surely the veracity of all they're articles must now be drawn into question!
That's quite some logic there. Of course, it's about on par with what I would expect...
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:13:21 EDT (#)
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He was also the UPI bureau chief, writes for Time, Forbes... it's called "freelancing."
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:07:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:23:30 (#)
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Mitch Prothero has been living in (and is currently still in) Beirut for the past 5 years.
Where have you been for the past 5? Somewhere nice and cushy I bet.
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the guy had an add for the fucking onion on the top of his page, seems like a reliable source.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 13:03:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:30:05 (#)
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If people are firing rockets at you from inside cities do you
G) Destroy Roads, Bridges, airports, power supplies, water supplies, use your political influence to prevent AID and then use massive bombs to destroy the cities, including firing for 11 hours straight ignoring the UN ringing you up and telling you that the particular builing you are aiming at is actually a UN building and the people inside are UN workers not terrorists.
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http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50
What else should they do? Let hezebullah launch missiles with impunity because they are near a hospital or a UN building?
The fucking UN knew that hezebullah was using the building as a shield, Israel had no choice.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 12:54:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by poisonyourkids (user info) at 2006-08-01 12:13:31 (#)
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i hate isreal as much as hezbollah. get the fuck outa gaza and the west bank and maybe you wont get rockets launched at you. theyve occupied palestinian territory since 1967, i spose id be pretty pissed too.
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They gave gaza back and look what the fuck happened? Hamas used it to capture a soilder and launch rockets into Israel.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-01 12:53:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:16:45 (#)
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/07/28/hezbollah/index.html
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Great proof he has there. I am sure he has spent the last 5 years going where hezebullah allows him, and taking pictures they approve of.
Tell me why on NPR this morning they did a story about a bombed christian town who came out and said hezebullah rolled in and launched rockets?
Why the fuck would they lie? If anything NPR is historically anti-israel.
Submitted by poisonyourkids (user info) at 2006-08-01 12:13:31 EDT (#)
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i hate isreal as much as hezbollah. get the fuck outa gaza and the west bank and maybe you wont get rockets launched at you. theyve occupied palestinian territory since 1967, i spose id be pretty pissed too.
but in the end they can both blow each other away and ill say good riddance. at least then we wont have to dump billions of US dollars into isreal for no reason.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:59:24 EDT (#)
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the guy is biased, I'm biased, I'm not conveying anything as journalism, he writes for a tabloid that looks roughly like something of a reputable NEWS sources, it's a tabloid
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:57:55 EDT (#)
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The lovers of islam are out in force here today.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:56:53 EDT (#)
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Funny how that word "biased" gets thrown around, aint it?
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:53:21 EDT (#)
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Fuck Hezbollah
That Salon article was stupidly skewed. There's a *huge* difference between working with civilians and launching rockets from their neighborhoods, something the biased author ignores in his attempts to skew the story to Hezbollah's side.
Yeah, I can buy that Hezbollah doesn't try to work with civilians. Collaboration has a bad history of getting people killed. But driving your Katyusha truck beneath a hospital and launching your rockets hardly qualifies as "collaboration".
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:51:43 EDT (#)
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Salaam
Submitted by loki (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:43:47 EDT (#)
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what a touching sentiment
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:39:01 EDT (#)
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"The Israelis, and their backer the United States, have seized upon the border operation as a golden opportunity to savagely punish Hezbollah -- and much of Lebanon, while they're at it -- by air."
Words of an editorialist, not a journalist, the guy is an arab sympathetic douchebag, not a reliable news source
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:35:07 EDT (#)
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Check his credentials.
Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:33:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:25:44 (#)
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Pro jews= +2
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:32:25 EDT (#)
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most of the above
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:30:05 EDT (#)
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If people are firing rockets at you from inside cities do you
A) Ignore them and hope they get bored
B) Use massive bombs to destroy the cities
C) Send in troops to kill them
D) Attempt to negotiate
E) Destroy Roads, bridges and airports so no-one can get away then use massive bombs to destroy the cities.
F) Give in to all their demands
G) Destroy Roads, Bridges, airports, power supplies, water supplies, use your political influence to prevent AID and then use massive bombs to destroy the cities, including firing for 11 hours straight ignoring the UN ringing you up and telling you that the particular builing you are aiming at is actually a UN building and the people inside are UN workers not terrorists.
???
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:28:58 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:27:32 EDT (#)
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Exactly, but I guess those photos showing hezbollah militants with cannons in residential areas don't mean anything, the word of Mitch Prothero of an internet tabloid is much higher than any reputable published news source with photographic evidence
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:26:33 EDT (#)
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they are gonna get fucked up. hard.
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:25:44 EDT (#)
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Pro jews= +2
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:23:30 EDT (#)
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Mitch Prothero has been living in (and is currently still in) Beirut for the past 5 years.
Where have you been for the past 5? Somewhere nice and cushy I bet.
Submitted by hour_man (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:23:04 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/91235 have a link
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:21:02 EDT (#)
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thanks for the link wookie, that's some great journalism for salon there, "a lot of evidence suggests hezbollah are using civilians as shields, this is a myth, QED."
Submitted by mikethescottish (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:18:18 EDT (#)
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Seems like common sense to me. They'd never stand a chance in a 'fair' fight- they'd be crushed like so many bugs, under the tracks of the Israeli war machine. David didn't exactly play fair when he took on goliath, did he?
Nice t-shirt.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:17:41 EDT (#)
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I had no idea what the heck is going in the Middle East with this Hezbollah crap, and after clicking that link I can see that it's just more Middle East war crap, per usual. Hence making this post a waste of time and front page space.
Ignorance is bliss.
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:16:45 EDT (#)
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/07/28/hezbollah/index.html
Submitted by Antioxident (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:16:44 EDT (#)
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about but its pretty obvious you're just being a douchebag
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-01 11:15:11 EDT (#)
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Fuck off