WARNING: Another Major Terror Attack is Imminent (3969 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-08-14 14:50:22 EDT
Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes. The L.A. attack, the Canadian terror cell, the Miami Sears Tower plotters, the botched London raid, have all been exposed for what they were - elaborate entrapment operations perpetrated by our own intelligence and investigative bodies. They were made-to-order by the FBI and other organizations to scare the population into accepting the radical neo-con policy of control and surveillance.
Even the recent 10-plane fireworks plot involving transatlantic flights from Britain to the U.S. are highly questionable. It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections. In fact, Ramzi Yousef, the supposed ringleader of this most recent London operation was an American intelligence asset whose services go back to the early 1990s and the first WTC bombing.
Source: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2132
Right now, we are being conditioned to accept another terrorist attack. Right now, our news media is preparing us to accept what our governments are about to dish out. Fox News, not surprisingly, is leading this charge.
Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all. What better way to secure a steady stream on military contracts than to build more bases in the middle east and station troops there to act as security forces indefinitely? The larger geopolitical strategists at work behind the scenes, the men that plan each move of our global chess pieces, will seek to make as many gains in the region as possible before another midterm election, after which another smokescreen will have to go into effect, an entirely different angle of targeted propaganda and political compromise will have to ensue. While it will not suddenly become impossible to carry out such plans, the logistics will be more complicated by a Democratic House, mainly because the Democrats will have to answer for suddenly becoming what they claimed to be against.
To this end, the British and American governments, media, and intelligence services are working in concert to prepare their people for another large scale terrorist attack that will justify a widespread open war in the middle east...what neo-cons see as a 'once and for all fix' for the region...an endless and total occupation. These people have been salivating at this prospect for the last 15 years at least, and they are not about to go down now without a fight, especially not after coing this far.
Could Aug. 22 Be the End of the World Thanks to Iran? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207597,00.html
According to Fox News, a terrorist attack on the United States is not a question of 'if', but 'when', and it's likely, they say, that it will come in the form of a nuclear attack courtesy of Iran. Interesting. How this blatant fearmongering and proaganda passes off as news for ANYONE, I have no idea. But this article is interesting and potentially telling.
If you buy into the idea, as I do, that Fox News is nothing more than a neo-con barometer, signalling their strategy aims and riling their base with their outspoken, forceful rhetoric, then their obsessive focus on Iran (example: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154407,00.html) is a tell-tale sign of things to come, that is, if the House can be kept under control. The problem is, as is evidenced by the recent loss of Joe Lieberman, the pro-war Democrat and stalwart incumbent, in the Connecticut primaries, this election year is promising to bring about a seachange in Washington the likes of which has been unseen in American politics since the 1994 Republican takeover. Herein lies the dilemma.
That is why it will be important now to have another terrorist attack or at least a major scare before the midterm elections. My guess is it will involve a thwarted nuclear attack allegedly sponsored by Iran, perhaps on Tel Aviv, Israel, perhaps with Hezollah being blamed. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/270706hezbollahnuke.htm
Imagine the level of focused media attention a thwarted attack involving an actual nuclear bomb on a major city would bring... The one issue where polls show Republicans have a slim lead is terrorism. Such a scare would serve some very distinct purposes...it would give them media leverage in the bogus "war on terror", it would provide a talking point of justification for an immediate attack on Iran, which, recent history shows, is all they really need anymore, and it would allow Israel to continue shelling not only Lebanon, but possibly Syria, Iran, and Palestine without mercy.
Fox News watchers agree, Iran should be wiped off the map, which leads to an interesting question... Who are the real terrorists here? Here are some comments from Fox's website sent in by readers and viewers of their mind-numbing programming:
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to nuke Iran." — Andy
"Get rid of the United Nations. Then, wipe Iran off the map, and later, Syria." — Bill
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to disarm Iran and Syria, or at least make it very costly for both of them to continue their support for terrorism." — Pete (Florida)
"There is little chance of ever completely disarming Hezbollah, unless Hezbollah's rationale changes drastically." — David (Fairfax, VA)
"The Hezbollah are not interested in any U.N. resolutions. They are not interested in any kind of world peace or human kindness. If the world really wants peace, then we have to get rid of all these criminals." — Sam (Memphis, TN)
I guess war really is peace.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-24 00:56:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-23 20:21:01 (#)
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Way to go ETS.
Keep making predictions.
Keep making outrageous claims.
I am sure one of them will happen, nevermind the dozens that have been wrong, you are a truth bringer.
How is that hurricane record going this year?
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Hey asshole, these aren't even necessarily MY claims! They are Fox News' claims. I'm just suggesting they're not going to be what we are TOLD they are.
By this time last year, Katrina hadn't even happened yet. And if you think activity is lite, take a look at China's season.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-23 20:01:50 (#)
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Well the 22nd was pretty much a dud with the exception of the one plane crash, which remains unsolved pending investigation: http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-08-22-voa28.cfm
But the drama continues leading up the elections.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209940,00.html
Keith Olberman did an excellent timeline last night detailing the so-called "terrorist threats" since 9/11 and how they always coincided with some opposition victory. Like a mantra, "terrorism" was pummeled into the minds of people.
This is going to continue an accelerate. When someone has everything to lose, they have nothing to lose.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-23 20:21:01 EDT (#)
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Way to go ETS.
Keep making predictions.
Keep making outrageous claims.
I am sure one of them will happen, nevermind the dozens that have been wrong, you are a truth bringer.
How is that hurricane record going this year?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-23 20:01:50 EDT (#)
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Well the 22nd was pretty much a dud with the exception of the one plane crash, which remains unsolved pending investigation: http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-08-22-voa28.cfm
But the drama continues leading up the elections.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209940,00.html
Keith Olberman did an excellent timeline last night detailing the so-called "terrorist threats" since 9/11 and how they always coincided with some opposition victory. Like a mantra, "terrorism" was pummeled into the minds of people.
This is going to continue an accelerate. When someone has everything to lose, they have nothing to lose.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-20 21:48:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-20 15:46:29 (#)
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You think 9/11 happened? Pft, fascist.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/92038
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Amazing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-20 21:47:44 EDT (#)
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Wall Street Journal: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768
Bunch of idiots who don't understand they're being played: http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/08/august_22_irans.html
UK Guardian: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2006/08/world_to_end_on_august_22.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23533
Russian site: http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/83898-0/
http://armageddoncocktailhour.wordpress.com/2006/08/14/transatlantic-plot-august-22-circled/
Reuters on Iranian bomb testing Saturday...another peice of the puzzle they'll use to say, "we know because of this": http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-08-20T064757Z_01_
BLA023816_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAN-MISSILE.xml&archived=False
Interesting note, August 22nd was the day the 6 day war broke out in 1967.
It's important to remember, this is not ETS saying this, this is newspapers from all over the world ramping this up for us, gearing us up for World War III, for all-out marital law, for suspension of elections in this country "if necessary", for "Armageddon".
We're about to be usurped, and Iran is their patsy...their Oswald.
And if it isn't this, it will be something else.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-20 16:44:55 EDT (#)
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"According to Fox News, a terrorist attack on the United States is not a question of 'if', but 'when', and it's likely, they say, that it will come in the form of a nuclear attack courtesy of Iran. Interesting. How this blatant fearmongering and proaganda passes off as news for ANYONE, I have no idea. But this article is interesting and potentially telling."
OH MY GOD? THEY PREDICT A NUCLEAR ATTACK FROM AN ENEMY NATION THAT'S DEVELOPING NUCLEAR POWER? THOSE CRAZY RADICALS.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-20 15:46:29 EDT (#)
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You think 9/11 happened? Pft, fascist.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/92038
Submitted by burt_mianus (user info) at 2006-08-20 08:51:17 EDT (#)
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isnt it obvious the only way to sort out the problem of terrorism is to get rid of the root cause.... the USA, George W is evidently stupid enough to target all his countries nukes on his own country so why doesnt he just take one for the team and wipe out the problem?!
lol xxx hahahahahahahahahah
Submitted by nightshade (user info) at 2006-08-20 06:02:29 EDT (#)
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2 days away, Well at least by pointing out a conspiracy BEFORE it happens you've got some credibility
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-08-19 16:20:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-19 15:31:09 (#)
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Apparently a federal judge agrees: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14417030/
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Agreed. Bush is a fuck-up.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-19 15:31:09 EDT (#)
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Apparently a federal judge agrees: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14417030/
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-19 07:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-08-19 00:14:31 (#)
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I guess war really is peace.
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I read that guy's book. You know, Warren Peace.
Your facade will continue to piss people off for years to come, and they will never
see through it. . .
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Facade?
Dude....I swear to fucking god I am the real deal. If you want the truth thrust in your fucking face, you know where to find me... If you want Mary Poppins and a spoonful of sugar, talk to Walt Disney.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-08-19 00:14:31 EDT (#)
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I guess war really is peace.
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I read that guy's book. You know, Warren Peace.
Your facade will continue to piss people off for years to come, and they will never
see through it. . .
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-08-18 23:50:35 EDT (#)
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omfg stfu n00b
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-18 11:41:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-08-17 23:41:34 (#)
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Did you know that Brad Linzy spelled backwards is "cock munching hermaphrodite"?
It's true.
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Okay, I laughed like an idiot at this...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-18 02:57:29 EDT (#)
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Thanks Williamson.
These people are nothing but a decoy. They are ther to support a theory for something that hasn't happened yet.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-08-17 23:41:34 EDT (#)
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Did you know that Brad Linzy spelled backwards is "cock munching hermaphrodite"?
It's true.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-08-17 23:31:27 EDT (#)
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Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Published Thursday 17th August 2006 09:42 GMT
Analysis The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air;
And a loud voice came forth out of the temple of Heaven,
From the throne, saying, "It is done!"
--Revelation 16:17
Binary liquid explosives are a sexy staple of Hollywood thrillers. It would be tedious to enumerate the movie terrorists who've employed relatively harmless liquids that, when mixed, immediately rain destruction upon an innocent populace, like the seven angels of God's wrath pouring out their bowls full of pestilence and pain.
The funny thing about these movies is, we never learn just which two chemicals can be handled safely when separate, yet instantly blow us all to kingdom come when combined. Nevertheless, we maintain a great eagerness to believe in these substances, chiefly because action movies wouldn't be as much fun if we didn't.
Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies?
We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.
Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts." But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a living. But they've seen the same movies that you and I have seen, and so the myth of binary liquid explosives dies hard.
Better killing through chemistry
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.
First, you've got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.
But let's assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you've got them on hand.
Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It's all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don't forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked "perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You're going to need them.
It's best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.
Easy does it
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.
The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale," as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it's true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it's unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that's about all you're likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
We believe this because a peer-reviewed 2004 study (http://www.technion.ac.il/~keinanj/pub/122.pdf) in the Journal of the American Chemical Society (JACS) entitled "Decomposition of Triacetone Triperoxide is an Entropic Explosion" tells us that the explosive force of TATP comes from the sudden decomposition of a solid into gasses. There's no rapid oxidizing of fuel, as there is with many other explosives: rather, the substance changes state suddenly through an entropic process, and quickly releases a respectable amount of energy when it does. (Thus the lack of ingredients typically associated with explosives makes TATP, a white crystalline powder resembling sugar, difficult to detect with conventional bomb sniffing gear.)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-08-17 23:31:23 EDT (#)
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Mrs. Satan
By now you'll be asking why these jihadist wannabes didn't conspire simply to bring TATP onto planes, colored with a bit of vegetable dye, and disguised as, say, a powdered fruit-flavored drink. The reason is that they would be afraid of failing: TATP is notoriously sensitive and unstable. Mainstream journalists like to tell us that terrorists like to call it "the mother of Satan." (Whether this reputation is deserved, or is a consequence of homebrewing by unqualified hacks, remains open to debate.)
It's been claimed that the 7/7 bombers used it, but this has not been positively confirmed. Some sources claim that they used C-4, and others that they used RDX. Nevertheless, the belief that they used TATP has stuck with the media, although going about in a crowded city at rush hour with an unstable homebrew explosive in a backpack is not the brightest of all possible moves. It's surprising that none of the attackers enjoyed an unscheduled launch into Paradise.
So, assuming that the homebrew variety of TATP is highly sensitive and unstable - or at least that our inept jihadists would believe that - to avoid getting blown up in the taxi on the way to the airport, one might, if one were educated in terror tactics primarily by hollywood movies, prefer simply to dump the precursors into an airplane toilet bowl and let the mother of Satan work her magic. Indeed, the mixture will heat rapidly as TATP begins to form, and it will soon explode. But this won't happen with much force, because little TATP will have formed by the time the explosion occurs.
We asked University of Rhode Island Chemistry Professor Jimmie C. Oxley, who has actual, practical experience with TATP, if this is a reasonable assumption, and she tolds us that merely dumping the precursors together would create "a violent reaction," but not a detonation.
To release the energy needed to bring down a plane (far more difficult to do than many imagine, as Aloha Airlines Flight 243 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Flight_243) neatly illustrates), it's necessary to synthesize a good amount of TATP with care.
Jack Bauer sense
So the fabled binary liquid explosive - that is, the sudden mixing of hydrogen peroxide and acetone with sulfuric acid to create a plane-killing explosion, is out of the question. Meanwhile, making TATP ahead of time carries a risk that the mission will fail due to premature detonation, although it is the only plausible approach.
Certainly, if we can imagine a group of jihadists smuggling the necessary chemicals and equipment on board, and cooking up TATP in the lavatory, then we've passed from the realm of action blockbusters to that of situation comedy.
It should be small comfort that the security establishments of the UK and the USA - and the "terrorism experts" who inform them and wheedle billions of dollars out of them for bomb puffers and face recognition gizmos and remote gait analyzers and similar hi-tech phrenology gear - have bought the Hollywood binary liquid explosive myth, and have even acted upon it.
We've given extraordinary credit to a collection of jihadist wannabes with an exceptionally poor grasp of the mechanics of attacking a plane, whose only hope of success would have been a pure accident. They would have had to succeed in spite of their own ignorance and incompetence, and in spite of being under police surveillance for a year.
But the Hollywood myth of binary liquid explosives now moves governments and drives public policy. We have reacted to a movie plot. Liquids are now banned in aircraft cabins (while crystalline white powders would be banned instead, if anyone in charge were serious about security). Nearly everything must now go into the hold, where adequate amounts of explosives can easily be detonated from the cabin with cell phones, which are generally not banned.
Action heroes
The al-Qaeda franchise will pour forth its bowl of pestilence and death. We know this because we've watched it countless times on TV and in the movies, just as our officials have done. Based on their behavior, it's reasonable to suspect that everything John Reid and Michael Chertoff know about counterterrorism, they learned watching the likes of Bruce Willis, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Vin Diesel, and The Rock (whose palpable homoerotic appeal it would be discourteous to emphasize).
It's a pity that our security rests in the hands of government officials who understand as little about terrorism as the Florida clowns who needed their informant to suggest attack scenarios, as the 21/7 London bombers who injured no one, as lunatic "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, as the Forest Gate nerve gas attackers who had no nerve gas, as the British nitwits who tried to acquire "red mercury," and as the recent binary liquid bomb attackers who had no binary liquid bombs.
For some real terror, picture twenty guys who understand op-sec, who are patient, realistic, clever, and willing to die, and who know what can be accomplished with a modest stash of dimethylmercury.
You won't hear about those fellows until it's too late. Our official protectors and deciders trumpet the fools they catch because they haven't got a handle on the people we should really be afraid of. They make policy based on foibles and follies, and Hollywood plots.
Meanwhile, the real thing draws ever closer. ®
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-17 16:01:10 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/91892
HA! I knocked this piece of shit from the top of the hill...enjoy the descent back into the toilet.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-08-17 15:47:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Molari (user info) at 2006-08-17 11:26:54 (#)
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Please, ubersite probably ends up with more truth than actual news networks who keep spewing out the same bullshit propaganda and catch phrases day after day.
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I count a full zero people on this website with the credentials to offer any information at all.
And anyway, you think Ubersite isn't just a bunch of recycled catch phrases? You think this type of post isnt pure propaganda?
If you take every word you hear on CNN or Fox News as gospel, you're a fucking idiot. Use your own discrescion in figuring out the consistencies between stories and use common fucking sense to glue the big picture together. It's not that hard. If you really care about what goes on in the world, find a place other than Ubersite to catch up on current events. The Onion is a more trustworthy news outlet than this.
Submitted by Molari (user info) at 2006-08-17 11:26:54 EDT (#)
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Please, ubersite probably ends up with more truth than actual news networks who keep spewing out the same bullshit propaganda and catch phrases day after day.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-08-17 05:43:06 EDT (#)
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I'm glad Ubersite is such a dependable news outlet, especially in the area of international relations. Seriously.
By the way, shut the fuck up.
This place sucks so bad.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-08-16 20:32:54 EDT (#)
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ETS is batshit craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.
Brad Linzy don't like the laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadies.
He'll spend his whole afterlife in Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaades.
I like my french fries with graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavy.
It's catchy, you should sing it.
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-08-16 17:44:12 EDT (#)
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You Again?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 13:23:38 EDT (#)
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I've already answered you, Wardy. Now shut it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 13:21:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:04:59 (#)
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You are a complete failure.
[You know what...that might be true. I might be a failure. But this isn't about me.]
You failed to come up with reasonable explinations for your half assed theories.
[So you say. I think I've done a fair job of explaining things and pointing people to the right information over the course of my debates here, including this post.]
You failed to join the peace corps.
[I never said I was going to join the peace corps. I said I'd thought about it, and I'm still thinking about it, but I never said I was going to do it for sure. Besides, I don't owe you any sort of expanation of my personal life.]
Yu failed to live off the grid.
[Again...I don't owe you an explanation of my life, BUT, suffice it to say, my life is just getting started. I may live "off the grid" one day yet. Give me time.]
You fail to be honest about any of this.
[All I ever am is honest with you people. I call it like I see it. This brutal honesty and need to cut the bullshit is what has created many of the false impressions you all have of me - that I'm just a hitwhoring asshole, etc. If I make a mistake, I'll admit it.]
And I would be willing to bet money you failed to "fight the govt" by not paying your taxes.
[Actually, I HAD refused to pay my taxes. Unfortunately, I ended up having to pay them anyway last month because it is required of me if FA is to immigrate to the US. I don't owe you these explanations, but I give them freely, because I care about the truth.]
Indo, you can keep trying to rationalize all this to yourself and your 'audience' all you want, but it's not going to change what happened.
It's not going to change what certain people in our own government did on 9/11 or at least that there are serious questions that need to be answered and never have because of a clear coverup of information.
It's not going to change the fact that we've launched 2 wars in the name of greed and lies.
Your credentials as an oil man do nothing but hurt your credibility, because you're seeing it all through blinders.
You see the world through a tunnel vision of the worst kind, and the sad thing is, you're trying to pass that tunnel vision on to others.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-16 13:01:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-12 04:29:17 (#)
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i got owned on this one? okay, this has to be a joke. no way can you be this dumb. let's see what we've covered in this post:
1.) i said it was what the official story was, a 757 hit the pentagon. physical evidence proved this, you disagreed.
2.) you said that the 757 would have cut the light poles in half, not uprooted them.
3.) i asked you what it was, because it couldn't be a missile at this point (because of the light poles, and damage done to the building), and it couldn't be another plane because of... well, common sense.
4.)you said there was no way of knowing... except you said you knew it wasn't a 757... does this even make sense?
5.) then you said the government planted the light poles to make it look like a 757 had hit the pentagon to go with the already overly intricate conspiracy.
6.) i thought you'd feel stupid at this point, but you never retracted your statement.
are you seriously trying to tell me that the government planted uprooted light poles around the pentagon without anyone noticing and then rigged it up to make it look like it was hit by a 757??
is that what you're trying to tell me?
walk into this one, i dare you. of course, you can also tell me where i've gone wrong in my above statements about what has occurred in our conversations..
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are you not going to respond to any of this? no? well i just want to make sure everyone sees it and knows where you stand on the issue.
thanks for playing,
wardy.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:12:08 EDT (#)
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The only thing you don't fail at is getting most heated.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:04:59 EDT (#)
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ETS you are full of shit.
You implied that they were running around in the subway stations when this shit went down. The drills they were running were in some confrence room where they looked at powere point presentations and probably talked about phone trees.
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html
"POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now." [mp3 Audio]"
Clearly, the figure of 1,000 refers to the size of the company whose managers were being drilled - and not to the number of participants in the drill.
Furthermore, any savvy investigator knows that these types of private-sector "risk management" drills never use field staff. Neither do these low-level corporate drills have active involvement of police or other security forces.
Despite Jones and Watson's claims, this drill was in no way comparable to U.S. drills and wargames on 9/11 -which were being run by active-duty security forces in the U.S. military, federal agencies, the FAA and various emergency services.
The London corporate drill was just a glorified administration seminar where managers get to use security buzzwords --while seated around an office table guessing how they would respond to loss of available staff for call centers, power outages, or travel restrictions, etc..
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You are a complete failure.
You failed to come up with reasonable explinations for your half assed theories.
You failed to join the peace corps.
Yu failed to live off the grid.
You fail to be honest about any of this.
And I would be willing to bet money you failed to "fight the govt" by not paying your taxes.
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"The best place to hide something is sometimes in plain sight."
So you are trying to hide that you can't understand what is going on in the world and lack basic reasoning skills by putting it in plain sight? Guess what it isn't working, we know you make no sense.
"You keep on, though, Indo... You're doing your masters proud. Even though you're showing how far you are willing to go to fool yourself and others, you're doing your best to fool people and for that I commend you. Piece of shit government spook.
You need to ask for a reassignment."
It cracks me up that you think I am a govt spook. That you think you warrant that kind of attention. If you were a threat and there was a big conspiracy, don't you think you would be I jail for tax evasion?
Actually you probably lied about the tax evasion. Just like with joining the peace corp, living off the grid, leaving the Us, and leaving Ubersite.
My favorite lie you keep repeating is the one we are arguing about. There weren't even any drills in the subway. The drills you keep referencing involved a bunch of middle managers sitting around in an office watching a power point presentation about a supposed attack and what they would do, and you know it.
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You're lying. The guy in the interview admitted it. Anyone who bothers to listen will know who's telling the truth here.
You're a flat out liar and a fraud, and I wouldn't be surprised a single fucking bit if you weren't hired by our government propaganda machine and assigned specifically to this website.
The Bush administration has spent billions on propaganda to private firms: http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Bush_Admin._spent_over_1.6_Billion_0213.html
$1.6 billion, to be exact. They have been caught red-handed sending fake letters to the editor and, I have no doubt, there are people being paid to camp on forums like this one and obscure the truth. Why do I think that? The past evidence suggests it, and so do your persistent lies and obfuscations.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-15 20:58:26 (#)
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There was no security drill in the sense fo people running around with waki taki's and clearing areas out.
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Who ever qualified the nature of the drill? It wasn't me. And as far as I know it wasn't Alex Jones either. We just said they were running security drills mocking the same types of attacks on the exact same targets, which, admittedly, in both the cases of 9/11 AND 7/7, they were!
I have done plenty of checking up on Mr. Jones' claims, and they all seem to check out. I say "seem to", because some of the original articles have been removed from major websites like Yahoo.com and forbes.com, etc. even though they are only a year old.
Dear Indo's Boss,
You better get someone else on this one, Indoninja is out of his depth.
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"The best place to hide something is sometimes in plain sight."
So you are trying to hide that you can't understand what is going on in the world and lack basic reasoning skills by putting it in plain sight? Guess what it isn't working, we know you make no sense.
"You keep on, though, Indo... You're doing your masters proud. Even though you're showing how far you are willing to go to fool yourself and others, you're doing your best to fool people and for that I commend you. Piece of shit government spook.
You need to ask for a reassignment."
It cracks me up that you think I am a govt spook. That you think you warrant that kind of attention. If you were a threat and there was a big conspiracy, don't you think you would be I jail for tax evasion?
Actually you probably lied about the tax evasion. Just like with joining the peace corp, living off the grid, leaving the Us, and leaving Ubersite.
My favorite lie you keep repeating is the one we are arguing about. There weren't even any drills in the subway. The drills you keep referencing involved a bunch of middle managers sitting around in an office watching a power point presentation about a supposed attack and what they would do, and you know it.
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i got owned on this one? okay, this has to be a joke. no way can you be this dumb. let's see what we've covered in this post:
1.) i said it was what the official story was, a 757 hit the pentagon. physical evidence proved this, you disagreed.
2.) you said that the 757 would have cut the light poles in half, not uprooted them.
3.) i asked you what it was, because it couldn't be a missile at this point (because of the light poles, and damage done to the building), and it couldn't be another plane because of... well, common sense.
4.)you said there was no way of knowing... except you said you knew it wasn't a 757... does this even make sense?
5.) then you said the government planted the light poles to make it look like a 757 had hit the pentagon to go with the already overly intricate conspiracy.
6.) i thought you'd feel stupid at this point, but you never retracted your statement.
are you seriously trying to tell me that the government planted uprooted light poles around the pentagon without anyone noticing and then rigged it up to make it look like it was hit by a 757??
is that what you're trying to tell me?
walk into this one, i dare you. of course, you can also tell me where i've gone wrong in my above statements about what has occurred in our conversations..
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It poses no advantages for a covert ops to plan out a drill in the same time and place they plan to blow up their own people. In what fantasy world would the govt hide their involvement by bieng right fucking there?
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The best place to hide something is sometimes in plain sight.
You keep on, though, Indo... You're doing your masters proud. Even though you're showing how far you are willing to go to fool yourself and others, you're doing your best to fool people and for that I commend you. Piece of shit government spook.
You need to ask for a reassignment.
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Thanks for introducing me to Jeremy Enigk
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Plus 2 because Batman (albeit, Batman Returns) is on.
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Damn ETS you really have a gift. Can anyone, I mean ANYONE, get heat like ETS?
Damn son. ""
i used to be able to.
at one point I had the top 5 heat places.
but then I got a life.
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And yes I just called, "walky talky's", waki taki's.
suck it.
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Damn ETS you really have a gift. Can anyone, I mean ANYONE, get heat like ETS?
Damn son.
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i got owned on this one? okay, this has to be a joke. no way can you be this dumb. let's see what we've covered in this post:
1.) i said it was what the official story was, a 757 hit the pentagon. physical evidence proved this, you disagreed.
2.) you said that the 757 would have cut the light poles in half, not uprooted them.
3.) i asked you what it was, because it couldn't be a missile at this point (because of the light poles, and damage done to the building), and it couldn't be another plane because of... well, common sense.
4.)you said there was no way of knowing... except you said you knew it wasn't a 757... does this even make sense?
5.) then you said the government planted the light poles to make it look like a 757 had hit the pentagon to go with the already overly intricate conspiracy.
6.) i thought you'd feel stupid at this point, but you never retracted your statement.
are you seriously trying to tell me that the government planted uprooted light poles around the pentagon without anyone noticing and then rigged it up to make it look like it was hit by a 757??
is that what you're trying to tell me?
walk into this one, i dare you. of course, you can also tell me where i've gone wrong in my above statements about what has occurred in our conversations..
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Once again your theory makes no sense. If you were to plan something like this you there is no concievable reason you would want to draw more attention to official involvement by staging a drill that day.
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I love how you're able to constantly fool yourself, or should I say ATTEMPT to fool others. Piece of shit fucking spook.
Other than the fact that your assumptions here render your assessment completely wrong, let me pose a question to you...
How would the terrorists know to attack the same places where the drills would be carried out? Why would they attack those same places? It poses them no conceivable advantage, yet, I've just given you SEVERAL advantages this would provide the state. Brush them aside all you like, a reasonable person will see them.
Like I've said before, you're losing. Reasonable people have the ability to see truth amidst a cloud of lies, and your cloud is growing more and more transparent.
Go tell your boss you're just gonna have to come and shoot me.
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Hahaha!!!
It poses no advantages for a covert ops to plan out a drill in the same time and place they plan to blow up their own people. In what fantasy worl would the govt hide their involvement by bieng right fucking there?
Can you give me the link to a real article about the drills?
Oh that is right you are a lying sack of shit.
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html
Five minutes of research outside of prison planet proves you are full of it.
There was no security drill in the sense fo people running around with waki taki's and clearing areas out.
"POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now." [mp3 Audio]"
Clearly, the figure of 1,000 refers to the size of the company whose managers were being drilled - and not to the number of participants in the drill.
Furthermore, any savvy investigator knows that these types of private-sector "risk management" drills never use field staff. Neither do these low-level corporate drills have active involvement of police or other security forces.
Despite Jones and Watson's claims, this drill was in no way comparable to U.S. drills and wargames on 9/11 -which were being run by active-duty security forces in the U.S. military, federal agencies, the FAA and various emergency services.
The London corporate drill was just a glorified administration seminar where managers get to use security buzzwords --while seated around an office table guessing how they would respond to loss of available staff for call centers, power outages, or travel restrictions, etc..
I really don't know if you are blindly stupid, crazy or just going for heat. I pray it is the third because I find it a little disturbing that someone as out of touch with reality is walking around, if youw eren't such a huge pussy I would be a little worried.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-15 19:40:44 (#)
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Once again your theory makes no sense. If you were to plan something like this you there is no concievable reason you would want to draw more attention to official involvement by staging a drill that day.
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I love how you're able to constantly fool yourself, or should I say ATTEMPT to fool others. Piece of shit fucking spook.
Other than the fact that your assumptions here render your assessment completely wrong, let me pose a question to you...
How would the terrorists know to attack the same places where the drills would be carried out? Why would they attack those same places? It poses them no conceivable advantage, yet, I've just given you SEVERAL advantages this would provide the state. Brush them aside all you like, a reasonable person will see them.
Like I've said before, you're losing. Reasonable people have the ability to see truth amidst a cloud of lies, and your cloud is growing more and more transparent.
Go tell your boss you're just gonna have to come and shoot me.
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No, it IS convenient for several reasons...
1: Anyone participating in the real deal in certain aspects of the operation would think it was a drill and therefore not question.
2: Any radio chatter picked up from the operation would be brushed off as part of a drill, thus providing cover.
3: Many things can be done under the guise of a drill that cannot be done otherwise, such as clearing a building, a subway station, etc.
4: First responders will be less likely to thwart the attack if they are a) participating the drill, or b) aware that a drill is taking place. It takes just one listen to the emergency calls to NORAD on 9/11 to see this principle in motion. The flight controllers thought the planes were part of the drills, and the guy from NORAD, when called, was like: "Is this real world or exercise?"
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1: What does that even mean? If they were participating in the real deal why would they ask questions? - Makes no sense.
2: I am sure a "black ops," "top secret" plan to bomb your own country could use cell phones, or other channels, or even talk in code. But by the same token if it was a drill there would be more people listening on the day of a drill. - Makes no sense.
3: What was cleared? If they were goint to set up a fake bomb and clear that your "theory" would make the tiniest bit of sense, but since people died and the point (if it was an inside plot) would be to kill the most people. - Makes no sense.
4: what the fuck does this have to do with NORAD? How are they going to stop guys with bombs on their backs, how would they even know they were going to strike? (NORAD is a whole other conversation when everything goes pretty much by the book for over ten years and something like 9/11 happens, you would ask if it was a drill too).
Once again your theory makes no sense. If you were to plan something like this you there is no concievable reason you would want to draw more attention to official involvement by staging a drill that day.
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Those drills do seem mighty convenient, though I don't think they are quite as impossible as the second site calculates (however it would surely be highly unlikely).
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ETs doesn't respond when he can't find a good answer, but why you don't try this one.
How are the drills convenient? If you were involved in a conspiracy would you plan it like this? How would it help you in any way? I know if I was doing it i would make sure absolutely nothing out of the ordinary was done by the govt that day.
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Convenient was the wrong word. But it does seem to be a mighty coincidence
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No, it IS convenient for several reasons...
1: Anyone participating in the real deal in certain aspects of the operation would think it was a drill and therefore not question.
2: Any radio chatter picked up from the operation would be brushed off as part of a drill, thus providing cover.
3: Many things can be done under the guise of a drill that cannot be done otherwise, such as clearing a building, a subway station, etc.
4: First responders will be less likely to thwart the attack if they are a) participating the drill, or b) aware that a drill is taking place. It takes just one listen to the emergency calls to NORAD on 9/11 to see this principle in motion. The flight controllers thought the planes were part of the drills, and the guy from NORAD, when called, was like: "Is this real world or exercise?"
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Those drills do seem mighty convenient, though I don't think they are quite as impossible as the second site calculates (however it would surely be highly unlikely).
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ETs doesn't respond when he can't find a good answer, but why you don't try this one.
How are the drills convenient? If you were involved in a conspiracy would you plan it like this? How would it help you in any way? I know if I was doing it i would make sure absolutely nothing out of the ordinary was done by the govt that day.
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Convenient was the wrong word. But it does seem to be a mighty coincidence
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-08-15 17:38:28 (#)
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3: I'm telling you, it's not gonna be a land 'war'. The war will be won from the air."""
Not matter how many bombs you drop you still have to send someone to gain control of the control. Stalingrad was bombed from the air over and over and the Germans still lost it even if they held 90% of the city at one point.
Now tell me, how are Americans, who are already got their hands full with other theaters of war, are supposed to control and occupy a heavily armed country of 70 million all by themselves? And we're not talking about french people here, we're talking about Muslims who have shown us quite a number of time to be rather stubborn and brutal if need be.
I don't know about you but I think that if you get into a conventional war with Iran, you will be so busy that even Canada could walk across the border and take over the U.S. Perhaps we'd need a few allies like Belgium and Monaco, but you get the point.
Anyway, unless Americans start nuking or get the support of other major powers, it would be retarded for them to try another Iraq³
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Oh, I totally agree! It would be a disaster, but for various reasons, our government is pulling out all the stops to pin something on Iran.
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3: I'm telling you, it's not gonna be a land 'war'. The war will be won from the air."""
Not matter how many bombs you drop you still have to send someone to gain control of the control. Stalingrad was bombed from the air over and over and the Germans still lost it even if they held 90% of the city at one point.
Now tell me, how are Americans, who are already got their hands full with other theaters of war, are supposed to control and occupy a heavily armed country of 70 million all by themselves? And we're not talking about french people here, we're talking about Muslims who have shown us quite a number of time to be rather stubborn and brutal if need be.
I don't know about you but I think that if you get into a conventional war with Iran, you will be so busy that even Canada could walk across the border and take over the U.S. Perhaps we'd need a few allies like Belgium and Monaco, but you get the point.
Anyway, unless Americans start nuking or get the support of other major powers, it would be retarded for them to try another Iraq³
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-08-15 16:22:52 EDT (#)
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Warning! Another ETS rant is inevitable! http://www.ubersite.com/m/91839
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1: No. Not yet.
2: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm not even gonna dignify that stupid shit with a real response.
3: I'm telling you, it's not gonna be a land 'war'. The war will be won from the air.
We didn't have justification back then. We still don't, but we're working on manufacturing some. Give it time.
You think *I* make no sense, but *I'm* not the one who knows jack shit about history as is evidenced in your response to #2.
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Why do we need to control the flow of oil, if it is pumping we have the money to buy it. Money talks much louder than politics in oil.
You cannot win a war without going on Land. Vietnam, Soviets in Afghanistan, the list goes on and on, bombing first then sending in troops is still a Land war. You said it was going to be like Iraq, Iraq IS a land war, no matter how many bombs you drop first once soilders engage on the ground it is a land war. And if we want to get any oil out of the country we will have to go in on foot. You are just plain stupid if you don't see how it will be near impossible to do this in Iran and leave it in any condition to pump oil, and if there is any mastermind pulling the strings in America they could easily see this.
I give up, you don't have the tools for a discussion involving war if you can't see what a land war is.
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i got owned on this one? okay, this has to be a joke. no way can you be this dumb. let's see what we've covered in this post:
1.) i said it was what the official story was, a 757 hit the pentagon. physical evidence proved this, you disagreed.
2.) you said that the 757 would have cut the light poles in half, not uprooted them.
3.) i asked you what it was, because it couldn't be a missile at this point (because of the light poles, and damage done to the building), and it couldn't be another plane because of... well, common sense.
4.)you said there was no way of knowing... except you said you knew it wasn't a 757... does this even make sense?
5.) then you said the government planted the light poles to make it look like a 757 had hit the pentagon to go with the already overly intricate conspiracy.
6.) i thought you'd feel stupid at this point, but you never retracted your statement.
are you seriously trying to tell me that the government planted uprooted light poles around the pentagon without anyone noticing and then rigged it up to make it look like it was hit by a 757??
is that what you're trying to tell me?
walk into this one, i dare you. of course, you can also tell me where i've gone wrong in my above statements about what has occurred in our conversations..
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It's inaccurate simply because these aren't all terrorist attacks. Many are staged government black ops. ""
are you really that retarded?
I am better than you in every way.
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Pitting Iraq against Iran didn't serve the same purposes.
1: Iraq was selling oil in Euros. We couldn't solve that problem by pitting him against Iran. Plus we'd just spent the better part of a decade telling the UN he needed to be disarmed. It wouldn't be very good politics to just start giving him weapons AGAIN.
2: We couldn't control the oil flow out of Iraq by pitting the two countries against one another.
3: We couldn't ensure victory by getting Saddam to do our dirty work again. We'd already tried that once and he failed his objective.
4: If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
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1: iraq was barely selling any oil, isn't Iran selling in euro's now?
2: if we were supplying one we could, and we don't want to control the flow of oil we just don't want the profits to go to shit that will hurt us.
3: but we could ensure victory in what we be a long LAND WAR
Then why didn't this shadow group that runs everything do it in the early 90's when the western world and a lot of middle eastern ones were behind them?
You continue to make no sense.
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1: No. Not yet.
2: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm not even gonna dignify that stupid shit with a real response.
3: I'm telling you, it's not gonna be a land 'war'. The war will be won from the air.
We didn't have justification back then. We still don't, but we're working on manufacturing some. Give it time.
You think *I* make no sense, but *I'm* not the one who knows jack shit about history as is evidenced in your response to #2.
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Pitting Iraq against Iran didn't serve the same purposes.
1: Iraq was selling oil in Euros. We couldn't solve that problem by pitting him against Iran. Plus we'd just spent the better part of a decade telling the UN he needed to be disarmed. It wouldn't be very good politics to just start giving him weapons AGAIN.
2: We couldn't control the oil flow out of Iraq by pitting the two countries against one another.
3: We couldn't ensure victory by getting Saddam to do our dirty work again. We'd already tried that once and he failed his objective.
4: If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
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1: iraq was barely selling any oil, isn't Iran selling in euro's now?
2: if we were supplying one we could, and we don't want to control the flow of oil we just don't want the profits to go to shit that will hurt us.
3: but we could ensure victory in what we be a long LAND WAR
Then why didn't this shadow group that runs everything do it in the early 90's when the western world and a lot of middle eastern ones were behind them?
You continue to make no sense.
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This is the big gaping hole in your theories, they don't make sense. If a group with no morals was in charge why aould they risk dissatisfaction in thewir power base by waging an unpopular war when they could just lift the sanctions and deal with Iraq.
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There is no hole. You're just not seeing the big picture, as usual.
The people who really rule are not elected officials. They control everything no matter who is in office. Whether it's the neo-cons or the openly globalist far left, if you extend their agenda out far enough, they are one and the same.
The only difference is, it requires a different media blitz. It's kinda like retooling the propaganda factory, only to make a slightly different-looking product that serves the exact same purpose.
As for Iran...again, I only meant it wouldn't be a "land invasion". If I said "land war" at any point, I misspoke.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 12:43:37 (#)
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Pitting Iraq against Iran didn't serve the same purposes.
1: Iraq was selling oil in Euros. We couldn't solve that problem by pitting him against Iran. Plus we'd just spent the better part of a decade telling the UN he needed to be disarmed. It wouldn't be very good politics to just start giving him weapons AGAIN.
2: We couldn't control the oil flow out of Iraq by pitting the two countries against one another.
3: We couldn't ensure victory by getting Saddam to do our dirty work again. We'd already tried that once and he failed his objective.
4: If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
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1: iraq was barely selling any oil, isn't Iran selling in euro's now?
2: if we were supplying one we could, and we don't want to control the flow of oil we just don't want the profits to go to shit that will hurt us.
3: but we could ensure victory in what we be a long LAND WAR
Then why didn't this shadow group that runs everything do it in the early 90's when the western world and a lot of middle eastern ones were behind them?
You continue to make no sense.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 11:52:29 (#)
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There will be troops there for the next 50 years.
14 military bases aren't being built for nothing.
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You still haven't explained how that is cheaper or better for those in charge than using Iraq against Iran?
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Pitting Iraq against Iran didn't serve the same purposes.
1: Iraq was selling oil in Euros. We couldn't solve that problem by pitting him against Iran. Plus we'd just spent the better part of a decade telling the UN he needed to be disarmed. It wouldn't be very good politics to just start giving him weapons AGAIN.
2: We couldn't control the oil flow out of Iraq by pitting the two countries against one another.
3: We couldn't ensure victory by getting Saddam to do our dirty work again. We'd already tried that once and he failed his objective.
4: If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
Submitted by tbone (user info) at 2006-08-15 12:35:08 EDT (#)
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that is a lot like this http://www.ubersite.com/m/72858
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 12:01:41 (#)
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Well, we did it from 1953 to 1979 without firing a shot, but I don't see that happening again.
An attack on Iran won't be a traditional land invasion. There would be all-out airstrikes preceding any deployment of land troops to secure oil fields. It would be similar to the invasion of Iraq, but on a much more massive scale. This is all barring a successful internal regime change.
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Not a traditional land invasion, but similiar to Iraq?
That has been a traditional land invasion since WWII. Softeninng them up with airstrikes then sending in troops is how wars are fought now.
When you put troops on the ground it is a land war.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Ten or twenty reviews down you were saying it wouldn't be a land war, now you are saying it would be like Iraq. Are you stupid or just trying to get heat, either way you are pretty good at it.
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There will be troops there for the next 50 years.
14 military bases aren't being built for nothing.
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You still haven't explained how that is cheaper or better for those in charge than using Iraq against Iran?
This is the big gaping hole in your theories, they don't make sense. If a group with no morals was in charge why aould they risk dissatisfaction in thewir power base by waging an unpopular war when they could just lift the sanctions and deal with Iraq.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-15 11:31:57 (#)
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Explain how we could get oil from Iran without getting into a land war?
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Well, we did it from 1953 to 1979 without firing a shot, but I don't see that happening again.
An attack on Iran won't be a traditional land invasion. There would be all-out airstrikes preceding any deployment of land troops to secure oil fields. It would be similar to the invasion of Iraq, but on a much more massive scale. This is all barring a successful internal regime change.
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I meant I didn't know what they were thinking morally. I know what they are thinking strategically; that's the easy and obvious part...you know, the part you STILL don't see even though I've all but spelled it out for you numerous times now.
But, again, you probably went to an American school, so what can I realistically expect from you?
If you want to know the truth about the monetary system, read this: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
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Oh it is the obvious part?
Then please just fucking once explain to me how the US is getting oil from Iraq, or do you think they are going to be keeping troops there for the next 10 years?
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There will be troops there for the next 50 years.
14 military bases aren't being built for nothing.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-15 11:31:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 10:30:17 (#)
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I meant I didn't know what they were thinking morally. I know what they are thinking strategically; that's the easy and obvious part...you know, the part you STILL don't see even though I've all but spelled it out for you numerous times now.
But, again, you probably went to an American school, so what can I realistically expect from you?
If you want to know the truth about the monetary system, read this: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
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Oh it is the obvious part?
Then please just fucking once explain to me how the US is getting oil from Iraq, or do you think they are going to be keeping troops there for the next 10 years? Why wouldn't it have been easier to just lift the fucking sanctions and trade with him? Why not even use him against Iran (remember that little war they had).
Explain how we could get oil from Iran without getting into a land war?
Not a single one of your explinations of this conspiracy when drawn to a logical conclusion makes any sense.
The US is not helped by war in the middle east. There are easier ways to get rich.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 11:16:23 EDT (#)
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Note: Pat Robertson was on CBN last night peddling his unique brand of religious propaganda on the American public and he said: "It could be that this terrorist cell in England was just the "B" Team, and the "A" Team is still on the loose, waiting to strike. That remains to be seen."
Now why would Mr. Robertson say something like that? Besides the fact that he's an aging lunatic with a thirst for Muslim blood?
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-15 11:04:08 EDT (#)
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http://www.glumbert.com/media/tonguetwister.html
(link SFW)
I know you have probably seen it but if not, JAPANESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKED
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:00:07 (#)
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Don't ask me what the hell they're thinking, I'm sure it will become clearer as time goes by what their agenda is, but like I said, I think it's ultimately to take Iran.
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I think I follow you now ETS
You don't know what they are thinking, but you know it is a huge conspiracy involving the intentional demolition of the WTC, propping up the dollar hegemony, stopping production of an affordable electric car, keeping the metric system down, and ultimately taking Iran's oil.
Man what a sheep I have been not realizing all those bankers have been running the world since before WWII.
It is all so clear now!
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I meant I didn't know what they were thinking morally. I know what they are thinking strategically; that's the easy and obvious part...you know, the part you STILL don't see even though I've all but spelled it out for you numerous times now.
But, again, you probably went to an American school, so what can I realistically expect from you?
If you want to know the truth about the monetary system, read this: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 20:14:06 (#)
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How fucking DARE you.
The UK fucking bankrupted itself in perhaps the only just war there has ever been.
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While common citizens were devastated and the state was deprived, some people, just as in the United States, made out like bandits.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-15 10:11:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-08-15 06:34:29 (#)
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you make it so hard sometimes.
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It's not like I'm trying to be this incredibly good-looking.
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Submitted by The_Mighty_Badger (user info) at 2006-08-15 08:30:35 (#)
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i have never bothered to rate your posts before because i find you intensly annoying and believe you to be verging on insane. you are a cock.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
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If "normal" people take all their political cues from Maddox, then straightjacket my ass up. I'd rather be insane.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-08-15 08:51:09 EDT (#)
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when is NORAD going to do the next terror drill?
Submitted by The_Mighty_Badger (user info) at 2006-08-15 08:30:35 EDT (#)
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i have never bothered to rate your posts before because i find you intensly annoying and believe you to be verging on insane. you are a cock.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
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Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2006-08-15 07:27:54 (#)
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Those drills do seem mighty convenient, though I don't think they are quite as impossible as the second site calculates (however it would surely be highly unlikely).
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ETs doesn't respond when he can't find a good answer, but why you don't try this one.
How are the drills convenient? If you were involved in a conspiracy would you plan it like this? How would it help you in any way? I know if I was doing it i would make sure absolutely nothing out of the ordinary was done by the govt that day.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 19:58:00 (#)
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Did you know they were running drills ON 7/7 that invlolved the EXACT SAME TRAIN STATIONS the "terrorists" hit? Don't believe me? Think I'm crazy?
Here is an interview with Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which was running the exercises on BBC Radio 5: http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip.mp3
You know what the chances of that are? This will give you an idea: http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/probability_drill_attack_coinciding.htm
Did you know they were warned beforehand just like on 9/11? http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3489.asp
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050801&articleId=782
I could probably dig further, but that's just 10 minutes worth of internet searching.
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Those drills do seem mighty convenient, though I don't think they are quite as impossible as the second site calculates (however it would surely be highly unlikely).
The third site I don't quite agree with either:
"Fact of the matter is that British Authorities knew it is coming, warned the Israelis before the first bomb. The Associated Press reported July 7 that an anonymous source in the Israeli Foreign Ministry said Scotland Yard had warned the Israeli Embassy in London of possible terrorist attacks in the U.K. capital. The information reportedly was passed to the embassy minutes before the first bomb struck at 0851 London time. The Israeli Embassy promptly ordered Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to remain in his hotel on the morning of July 7."
I read that as the Authorities received a threat of an attack and kept Netanyahu inside as a 'just-in-case' whilst they got their bearings. If the Authorities had interpretted the warning as just an idle threat and said nothing to the embassy they could have lost the finance minister and been critised for doing nothing
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-08-15 06:34:29 EDT (#)
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you make it so hard sometimes.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-08-15 05:31:37 EDT (#)
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Jay, you are seriously a dick. So is Brad, but two dicks fighting don't make a right.
Erm, they make Gay porn I guess. Which I don't want to see in the mornings. Or ever.
This post made vaguely sensible points, but not very well.
Submitted by DirtyDoubleEntendre (user info) at 2006-08-15 03:56:34 EDT (#)
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Reference to 1984?
Cooooool.
I made sweet sweet love to that book.
And to this:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/91817
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-08-15 03:06:08 EDT (#)
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unless the U.S. starts nuking the Middle East, I doubt it could manage to occupied it when it's failing in a country like Iraq.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-15 02:34:12 EDT (#)
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Fuck off jay.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-08-15 02:11:14 EDT (#)
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Over 150 reviews, and I haven't even touched it yet?
Wow, Brad must have been arguing with 5-6 people at the same time.
Did he keep his insults straight?
Did his keyboard blow up?
Did he get an internet BJ from Filthy?
PRESSING QUESTIONS, PEOPLE!
Submitted by GnarlsBarkley (user info) at 2006-08-15 00:30:48 EDT (#)
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the end of the world, is sooner than we think. Why am I not going to have children? they'll die because the world is ending.
Submitted by Emridhs (user info) at 2006-08-15 00:10:06 EDT (#)
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What? the US is gonna get nuked? Oh noes! Australian Television Channels will end up having to show endless repeats of old American shows! oh wait.. They already do that. At least the annoying american tourists can help the Gold Coast cut thier electricity bills with thier new found glow in the dark action.
Dude, give it a rest. Nobody believes the crackpot on the street screaming "the end is nigh!" You sir, are acting exactly like that crackpot. Stop lurking on an internet site shouting this out, if you really want to make this heard, make yourself presentable. Ramming anything at people the way you have been has the exact reaction that is happening now. It makes the person doing it look insane, and it definatly doesnt help whatever cause your fighting for. I know you are likely to flare up at this, but if people dont want to believe you, they won't. Wether or not they have been 'brainwashed' by the Media.
I have a laugh at your attack on the media though. Haven't you realised that all these sites that you reference to aid your arguement are members of media as well. Different media, different agenda, but definatly as equally biased. Though I will agree those quotes at the end of your little story here are pretty bullshit.
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2006-08-14 22:11:03 EDT (#)
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while I don't quite believe its a big brother plot, thought you might find this interesting ETS
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
Operation Mongoose, page 10 is where it gets interesting, its where the DoD considers faking terrorist attacks to get world support for an invasion of Cuba
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Why in the hell has it gotta be all or nothing with you people all the time!?
I never said anyone was "egging anyone on". All I said was it was beneficial NOT to stop him.
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Oh but look !!!! LOL LOL
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:39:54 (#)
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As for the U.K.*****making******* Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now. ""
How fucking DARE you.
The UK fucking bankrupted itself in perhaps the only just war there has ever been.
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Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2006-08-14 19:34:17 (#)
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"Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes"
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7/7 seemed pretty real
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Did you know they were running drills ON 7/7 that invlolved the EXACT SAME TRAIN STATIONS the "terrorists" hit? Don't believe me? Think I'm crazy?
Here is an interview with Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which was running the exercises on BBC Radio 5: http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip.mp3
You know what the chances of that are? This will give you an idea: http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/probability_drill_attack_coinciding.htm
Did you know they were warned beforehand just like on 9/11? http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3489.asp
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050801&articleId=782
I could probably dig further, but that's just 10 minutes worth of internet searching.
Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2006-08-14 19:34:17 EDT (#)
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"Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes"
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7/7 seemed pretty real
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:00:07 (#)
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A better question might be why the U.S. let this Youssef character go back in the 90s:
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When they had him they had nothing (directly) pointing to him being a terrorist, a huge fuck-up but the govt does that. You know how many immigrants entered the country illegaly that way, came in claimed asylum, then disappeared?
I mean seriously if they wanted someone to stage this why not catch them afterwards you know have their cake and eat it too?
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:00:07 (#)
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Don't ask me what the hell they're thinking, I'm sure it will become clearer as time goes by what their agenda is, but like I said, I think it's ultimately to take Iran.
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I think I follow you now ETS
You don't know what they are thinking, but you know it is a huge conspiracy involving the intentional demolition of the WTC, propping up the dollar hegemony, stopping production of an affordable electric car, keeping the metric system down, and ultimately taking Iran's oil.
Man what a sheep I have been not realizing all those bankers have been running the world since before WWII.
It is all so clear now!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 19:03:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:33:04 (#)
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With what's going on in the world, I don't think anything you're saying is THAT farfetched. Okay, maybe a few things...
I don't necessarily think you're right about everything, but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if you were.
And if you're wondering, no, I could not have possibly been more vague.
I'm such a diplomat.
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Thanks for trying anyway.
I don't think the things I say are far-fetched either. It's not like they're undocumented and pulled out of my ass. I'm just putting the facts together in such a way that makes people uncomfortable.
People don't like being uncomfortable. We'd much rather not have to think and live a life completely oblivious at what expense our comfort comes.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:53:57 EDT (#)
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Sorry ETS none of those answers make sense.
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Seems to be a recurring theme on these posts...
POST MUSIC.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:51:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:18:33 (#)
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Who said anything about a land war? I never said it would be a land war.
We're not getting oil from Iraq YET....YET. Iraq's oil isn't for the here and now, it's for the future. We're more than content to use up everyone else's oil first. Other than making that oil available for the long term, it also ensures that no oil gets sold from Iraq in the short term if that serves our purpose. 14 military bases are being built throughout Iraq right now - according to many soldiers, it's about the only real significant construction going on there - gives us a direct valve on the price of oil. Pull your head out of your ass and think about it. Record profits...
Plus, that's simply not in the long term agenda. It's about getting the most for as little effort possible in the long term, and our current arrangement suits that purpose better than an alliance with Iran would, the main reason being, we don't WANT an alliance with Iran, we want their resources for ourselves, plus they serve a purpose as a boogeyman.
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How would we get oil from Iran without a land war?
YOu think we will be a strong military presence in Iraq in 10 years?
Getting the most for as little as possible involves invading Iraq? Why wouldn't we just back Saddam? Why wouldn't we just lift the sanctions against him and let him abuse his people, it seems to me that would ba a lot easier than going in at the cost of American lives, and america's reputation. I mean if this group controling america is so clever don't you think they would forsee this?
Sorry ETS none of those answers make sense.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:50:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:48:39 (#)
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Well this went down just about like I thought it would.
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Like a lead ballon?
Like a nigger on your mom?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:48:39 EDT (#)
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Well this went down just about like I thought it would.
Submitted by strwbryfanatic (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:42:38 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/91554#2100490
Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:33:04 EDT (#)
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With what's going on in the world, I don't think anything you're saying is THAT farfetched. Okay, maybe a few things...
I don't necessarily think you're right about everything, but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if you were.
And if you're wondering, no, I could not have possibly been more vague.
I'm such a diplomat.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:15:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:04:59 (#)
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Google "Failure" when you get a chance.
I laughed a good ten minutes.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
gasp
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FUCKING GOLD
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:11:56 EDT (#)
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Why in the hell has it gotta be all or nothing with you people all the time!?
I never said anyone was "egging anyone on". All I said was it was beneficial NOT to stop him.
What's so hard about that?
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:39:54 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:09 (#)
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No, I'm more likely to conclude that the attacks from Hezbollah and Gaza were deliberately provoked to justify a retaliation, much like hundreds of other operations through history, Pearl Harbor included.
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How were those attacks provoked?
Ah Pearl harbor. So they US picked a fight with poor Japan for no reason, and I guess the UK made Hitler invade Poland.
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Don't know for sure, but that's the west's MO. Has been for decades.
Yes, the U.S. instigated Pearl Harbor with our policies toward Japan. Many scholars agree it was intentional. We were warned of an impending attack even then and it was ignored.
As for the U.K. making Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now.
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Nuff, said, you are a fucking moron who cant keep his ideas straight on his own fucking post.
Do YOU even know what you believe? How the fuck do you expect to garner and support for your fanatical ideologies if you cant even figure them out. I pity you Bradley.
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2006-08-14 18:04:59 EDT (#)
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Google "Failure" when you get a chance.
I laughed a good ten minutes.
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Why in the hell has it gotta be all or nothing with you people all the time!?
I never said anyone was "egging anyone on". All I said was it was beneficial NOT to stop him.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:39:54 (#)
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As for the U.K.*****making******* Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now.
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:43:47 (#)
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You know Brad, you act so crackpottish that you do your belief structure a disservice... the problem is that even when you're right you carry it too far and include a lot of crap on top of your core message, and in the end you wind up convincing people not of what you want them to see, but that your entire idea is wrong, and they wind up pushed the other way.
Really, think about it. You get a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar. """
this man talks sense.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:43:47 EDT (#)
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You know Brad, you act so crackpottish that you do your belief structure a disservice... the problem is that even when you're right you carry it too far and include a lot of crap on top of your core message, and in the end you wind up convincing people not of what you want them to see, but that your entire idea is wrong, and they wind up pushed the other way.
Really, think about it. You get a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:39:52 EDT (#)
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Filthy; Instead of defending Senor Crazystinky here, why don't you just pipe down and email me a snapshot of your hole?
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:33:50 (#)
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I HAVE looked into it. I've watched all those shitty Loose Change videos and read all the conspiracy theories. You can convince yourself of whatever you want to if you look at the right set of evidence and try to believe hard enough. I just think the "official" story of terrorism fits with the evidence a LOT better than the crackpot theories you are attempting to advance.
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And how have you arrived at that conclusion? What "conspiracy theories" have your read? Where did you read them?
The bottom line is this...you believe the official story because your fucking media makes it damn near impossible to believe the truth.
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You're going too far here dude. It's more than a little presumptuous and offensive to tell someone else why they believe what they believe when you don't know them from Adam.
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just becuase people disagree with your views isn't because of the media it is because of 'sanity'.
You know what you are BRAINWASHED BY THE INTERNET.
Same thing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:33:50 EDT (#)
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I HAVE looked into it. I've watched all those shitty Loose Change videos and read all the conspiracy theories. You can convince yourself of whatever you want to if you look at the right set of evidence and try to believe hard enough. I just think the "official" story of terrorism fits with the evidence a LOT better than the crackpot theories you are attempting to advance.
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And how have you arrived at that conclusion? What "conspiracy theories" have your read? Where did you read them?
The bottom line is this...you believe the official story because your fucking media makes it damn near impossible to believe the truth.
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Everyone fucking profits from war Brad, it is good for buisness it always has been. It is WWII was what ended the depression. That doesnt mean that they (US/UK/ anyone else who got rolled over by the nazis) wanted their economy turned around like that.
You are right, High Schools are out to get us as well as colleges. We should learn all of our history and for all of our opinions from www.therevolutionary.com or www.theholocaustdidnthappen.com or some shit like that right?
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Look, motherfucker, you're the one that called what I said "stupid".
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I said that the idea that the US/UK wanted the war and egged on said warring nations was stupid, not that war is economically benificial. Although WW2 was alot more money making because of all the ships and tanks and shit, now the US has all that and all they are losing is lives but lets not start on that.
I am sorry i brought it up.
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Why in the hell has it gotta be all or nothing with you people all the time!?
I never said anyone was "egging anyone on". All I said was it was beneficial NOT to stop him.
What's so hard about that?
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:30:01 EDT (#)
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I HAVE looked into it. I've watched all those shitty Loose Change videos and read all the conspiracy theories. You can convince yourself of whatever you want to if you look at the right set of evidence and try to believe hard enough. I just think the "official" story of terrorism fits with the evidence a LOT better than the crackpot theories you are attempting to advance.
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Everyone fucking profits from war Brad, it is good for buisness it always has been. It is WWII was what ended the depression. That doesnt mean that they (US/UK/ anyone else who got rolled over by the nazis) wanted their economy turned around like that.
You are right, High Schools are out to get us as well as colleges. We should learn all of our history and for all of our opinions from www.therevolutionary.com or www.theholocaustdidnthappen.com or some shit like that right?
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Look, motherfucker, you're the one that called what I said "stupid".
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I said that the idea that the US/UK wanted the war and egged on said warring nations was stupid, not that war is economically benificial. Although WW2 was alot more money making because of all the ships and tanks and shit, now the US has all that and all they are losing is lives but lets not start on that.
I am sorry i brought it up.
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Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:10:40 (#)
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Questioning your government is great but a lot of this is absurd.
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Funny, those were George Bush's words exactly when responding to the accusation that he had something to do with 9/11...
"That's an absurd insinuation."
What's absurd to me is thinking it's absurd without even looking into it, like you've just done.
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Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:07:07 (#)
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Everyone fucking profits from war Brad, it is good for buisness it always has been. It is WWII was what ended the depression. That doesnt mean that they (US/UK/ anyone else who got rolled over by the nazis) wanted their economy turned around like that.
You are right, High Schools are out to get us as well as colleges. We should learn all of our history and for all of our opinions from www.therevolutionary.com or www.theholocaustdidnthappen.com or some shit like that right?
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Look, motherfucker, you're the one that called what I said "stupid".
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:10:40 EDT (#)
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Questioning your government is great but a lot of this is absurd.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:08:08 EDT (#)
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FORM our opinions...
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You really don't know that UK and US bankers profited off Hitler's rise to power???
Boy, what fucking planet are you living on? Better yet, are you still in high school? Because that would explain it too.
They don't teach you shit in high school... Or college for that matter.
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Everyone fucking profits from war Brad, it is good for buisness it always has been. It is WWII was what ended the depression. That doesnt mean that they (US/UK/ anyone else who got rolled over by the nazis) wanted their economy turned around like that.
You are right, High Schools are out to get us as well as colleges. We should learn all of our history and for all of our opinions from www.therevolutionary.com or www.theholocaustdidnthappen.com or some shit like that right?
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Don't know for sure, but that's the west's MO. Has been for decades.
Yes, the U.S. instigated Pearl Harbor with our policies toward Japan. Many scholars agree it was intentional. We were warned of an impending attack even then and it was ignored.
As for the U.K. making Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now.
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WTF are you spewing?
Hitler was a fucking nut job. I am fairly confident you say things this retarded just to egg people on. This was quite possible one of the fucking most retarded things I have ever heard.
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You really don't know that UK and US bankers profited off Hitler's rise to power???
Boy, what fucking planet are you living on? Better yet, are you still in high school? Because that would explain it too.
They don't teach you shit in high school... Or college for that matter.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 17:00:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:00:58 (#)
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Even the recent 10-plane fireworks plot involving transatlantic flights from Britain to the U.S. are highly questionable. It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections.
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Why stage a terror plot in britain to influence american elections? I was under the impression they were going to detonate the bombs over the atlantic, which really isn't anywhere near as troubling to america as a domestic hijack. Plus, by targeting international travel, they would be discouraging tourism which brings a shitload of money into the country. I don't understand your reasoning here.
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A better question might be why the U.S. let this Youssef character go back in the 90s: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806terrorplot.htm
It's not my reasoning. It's theirs. Don't look at ME!
My guess is it kills two birds with one stone. They can scare two populations at once, placing them both on high alert, with a single thwarted act. Bottom line, fewer people would have to be in the know.
Don't ask me what the hell they're thinking, I'm sure it will become clearer as time goes by what their agenda is, but like I said, I think it's ultimately to take Iran.
In the immediate, the American elections are important to them, and this is part of that too. Approval of Bush goes up with each terror alert, and so does approval of the Republican party in general.
People are too dumb to remember the past, so they have to be constantly pushed this way or that, their opinions molded on the fly.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:58:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:22:32 (#)
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From the baby's first naked moments, he learns how to exercise his power over others. Before the first milk-demanding scream, he is genetically encoded to feed off the system that contains him in order to survive and thrive. Like a pilot light that is always on, the human body is propped upon the fringes of our sun's mysterious energy - to see, to consume, to perpetuate, and to die - following the paths of least resistance like electrons through the motherboard of life. We are the product of potential and Murphy's Law, the devourers of the Universe's fiery excesses, fulfilling our role by ensuring that its radiation does not go to waste. Anything that can happen will happen. Any power that can be seized will be. The human struggle for comfort demands it.
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:21:49 (#)
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Fox News watchers agree, Iran should be wiped off the map, which leads to an interesting question... Who are the real terrorists here? Here are some comments from Fox's website sent in by readers and viewers of their mind-numbing programming:
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to nuke Iran." — Andy
"Get rid of the United Nations. Then, wipe Iran off the map, and later, Syria." — Bill
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to disarm Iran and Syria, or at least make it very costly for both of them to continue their support for terrorism." — Pete (Florida)
"There is little chance of ever completely disarming Hezbollah, unless Hezbollah's rationale changes drastically." — David (Fairfax, VA)
"The Hezbollah are not interested in any U.N. resolutions. They are not interested in any kind of world peace or human kindness. If the world really wants peace, then we have to get rid of all these criminals." — Sam (Memphis, TN)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:21:21 (#)
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I'm gonna answer every one of these questions, so you better fucking pay attention...
First, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with the metric system. Besides that...
Who said anything about a land war? I never said it would be a land war.
We're not getting oil from Iraq YET....YET. Iraq's oil isn't for the here and now, it's for the future. We're more than content to use up everyone else's oil first. Other than making that oil available for the long term, it also ensures that no oil gets sold from Iraq in the short term if that serves our purpose. 14 military bases are being built throughout Iraq right now - according to many soldiers, it's about the only real significant construction going on there - gives us a direct valve on the price of oil. Pull your head out of your ass and think about it. Record profits...
They won't "give Iran free reign" because they've already got a deal with an even bigger oil producer in Saudi Arabia, who doesn't particularly care for Iran, and religious pressures here in our country and among our allies would make that policy difficult or impossible. Plus, that's simply not in the long term agenda. It's about getting the most for as little effort possible in the long term, and our current arrangement suits that purpose better than an alliance with Iran would, the main reason being, we don't WANT an alliance with Iran, we want their resources for ourselves, plus they serve a purpose as a boogeyman.
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:20:44 (#)
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Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes. The L.A. attack, the Canadian terror cell, the Miami Sears Tower plotters, the botched London raid, have all been exposed for what they were - elaborate entrapment operations perpetrated by our own intelligence and investigative bodies. They were made-to-order by the FBI and other organizations to scare the population into accepting the radical neo-con policy of control and surveillance.
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:11:25 (#)
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Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all. What better way to secure a steady stream on military contracts than to build more bases in the middle east and station troops there to act as security forces indefinitely? The larger geopolitical strategists at work behind the scenes, the men that plan each move of our global chess pieces, will seek to make as many gains in the region as possible before another midterm election, after which another smokescreen will have to go into effect, an entirely different angle of targeted propaganda and political compromise will have to ensue. While it will not suddenly become impossible to carry out such plans, the logistics will be more complicated by a Democratic House, mainly because the Democrats will have to answer for suddenly becoming what they claimed to be against.
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:19:56 (#)
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ate this as you want, I don't give a fuck at this point. This is WAR! Some of you people need to wake the fuck up. This might be uncomfortable for you, but goddammit, if you don't raise hell now, you'll pay it tomorrow, I fucking GUARANTEE IT.
IF you know ANYTHING about history, none of this should surprise you, but obviously, a lot of you went to American and British schools, so you really can't be blamed for your ignorance.
I am here to WARN YOU...this WILL happen again! It's only a matter of time!
If we don't stand up soon and demand answers and show these fucking people responsible we're NOT buying their bullshit propaganda anymore, and if we don't tell them that we will not stand by and watch our own people be murdered by our own presidential administration and military generals, the next step is totalitarian marshall law.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:39:54 (#)
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Don't know for sure, but that's the west's MO. Has been for decades.
Yes, the U.S. instigated Pearl Harbor with our policies toward Japan. Many scholars agree it was intentional. We were warned of an impending attack even then and it was ignored.
As for the U.K. making Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now.
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WTF are you spewing?
Hitler was a fucking nut job. I am fairly confident you say things this retarded just to egg people on. This was quite possible one of the fucking most retarded things I have ever heard.
Submitted by Coleslaw_Murphy (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:53:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Coleslaw_Murphy (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:23:37 (#)
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It's funny how you're only claiming that recent developments (since 2001) are government plots.
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Dude, those are just the ones I chose to focus on. Don't start assuming shit and putting words in my mouth.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86816
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Dude, I set up the hypothetical below that first sentence. If those events were staged too, then FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
You didn't say in the link you provided. You just conveniently lumped it in there with the obvious missteps in Waco. There is a litany of attempts and attacks from the 1990s. All of them were staged?
And if by putting words in your mouth, you mean that I followed an argument to its logical end, then yes that's what I did.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:52:51 EDT (#)
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The middle east has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be too fucked for someone who isnt looking at it without their head up their ass to understand. It was fucked in biblical times, it was fucked in the middle ages (the Crusades anyone) and it is fucked today. It will continue to be fucked until Iran finally develops their nukes and drops one on Tel Aviv. Then Iran will dissapear into a giant mushroom cloudy void and all will celebrate.
Hopefully Iran will drag N. Korea and China in and Isreal will drag someone like India in or something and we can wipe that entire stinking area of the map.
We could just make it a gray colour with cross hatching that says 'Stay the fuck away from here'. And Canada will become the next economic super power. People the world over will be saying 'eh and calling each other hosers while watching Don Cherry in their underwear waiting for Hockey Night in Canada to start.
And all will be well with the world.
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Submitted by Coleslaw_Murphy (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:23:37 (#)
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It's funny how you're only claiming that recent developments (since 2001) are government plots.
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Dude, those are just the ones I chose to focus on. Don't start assuming shit and putting words in my mouth.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86816
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:09 (#)
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No, I'm more likely to conclude that the attacks from Hezbollah and Gaza were deliberately provoked to justify a retaliation, much like hundreds of other operations through history, Pearl Harbor included.
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How were those attacks provoked?
Ah Pearl harbor. So they US picked a fight with poor Japan for no reason, and I guess the UK made Hitler invade Poland.
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Don't know for sure, but that's the west's MO. Has been for decades.
Yes, the U.S. instigated Pearl Harbor with our policies toward Japan. Many scholars agree it was intentional. We were warned of an impending attack even then and it was ignored.
As for the U.K. making Hitler invade Poland... This isn't entirely untrue. Of course, no one MADE Hitler invade Poland, but businessmen in both the U.S. and the U.K. profited off Hitler's actions, including Bush's grandfather, Prescott. All of this is well documented now.
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Submitted by Coleslaw_Murphy (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:23:44 EDT (#)
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So what happened that you would be so short-sighted now? An election or two of an administration that you despise, possibly? That is an obvious bias in your arguments.
The bottom line is this: If Al Gore was elected in 2000, terrorists would still have been plotting to bring down the WTC and hurt us in other ways, just as they did a month after Clinton/Gore took over in 1993 and the entire time they were running the country. They still would've flown planes into the WTC in 2001.
The only difference is, YOU WOULDN'T BE SCREAMING 'CONSPIRACY' OVER IT.
Submitted by Coleslaw_Murphy (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:23:37 EDT (#)
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It's funny how you're only claiming that recent developments (since 2001) are government plots.
Review this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1990s .
Pay special attention to cases like the June 1993 failed plot to bomb NYC landmarks, which are, in every way, similar to the recent threats that you claim are fabricated.
Not to mention the successful attacks during the 1990s. Those, too, were either perpetrated by the US Gov't or not. And if they were, then for what purpose were they?
Or if you admit that those attempts and attacks (from the 1990s) are real and independent of our government's involvement, then why are you so quick to look at every event *now* as if our gov't is involved? You have to assume that, up until 2001, the same groups perpetrating attacks against us suddenly stopped, and our government took over for them. Seems dubious.
It is more likely, and better in line with the evidence and events as I see them, that those groups continue to plan and carry out attacks on us.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:22:32 EDT (#)
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From the baby's first naked moments, he learns how to exercise his power over others. Before the first milk-demanding scream, he is genetically encoded to feed off the system that contains him in order to survive and thrive. Like a pilot light that is always on, the human body is propped upon the fringes of our sun's mysterious energy - to see, to consume, to perpetuate, and to die - following the paths of least resistance like electrons through the motherboard of life. We are the product of potential and Murphy's Law, the devourers of the Universe's fiery excesses, fulfilling our role by ensuring that its radiation does not go to waste. Anything that can happen will happen. Any power that can be seized will be. The human struggle for comfort demands it.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:21:49 EDT (#)
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Fox News watchers agree, Iran should be wiped off the map, which leads to an interesting question... Who are the real terrorists here? Here are some comments from Fox's website sent in by readers and viewers of their mind-numbing programming:
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to nuke Iran." — Andy
"Get rid of the United Nations. Then, wipe Iran off the map, and later, Syria." — Bill
"The best way to disarm Hezbollah is to disarm Iran and Syria, or at least make it very costly for both of them to continue their support for terrorism." — Pete (Florida)
"There is little chance of ever completely disarming Hezbollah, unless Hezbollah's rationale changes drastically." — David (Fairfax, VA)
"The Hezbollah are not interested in any U.N. resolutions. They are not interested in any kind of world peace or human kindness. If the world really wants peace, then we have to get rid of all these criminals." — Sam (Memphis, TN)
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:21:21 EDT (#)
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I'm gonna answer every one of these questions, so you better fucking pay attention...
First, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with the metric system. Besides that...
Who said anything about a land war? I never said it would be a land war.
We're not getting oil from Iraq YET....YET. Iraq's oil isn't for the here and now, it's for the future. We're more than content to use up everyone else's oil first. Other than making that oil available for the long term, it also ensures that no oil gets sold from Iraq in the short term if that serves our purpose. 14 military bases are being built throughout Iraq right now - according to many soldiers, it's about the only real significant construction going on there - gives us a direct valve on the price of oil. Pull your head out of your ass and think about it. Record profits...
They won't "give Iran free reign" because they've already got a deal with an even bigger oil producer in Saudi Arabia, who doesn't particularly care for Iran, and religious pressures here in our country and among our allies would make that policy difficult or impossible. Plus, that's simply not in the long term agenda. It's about getting the most for as little effort possible in the long term, and our current arrangement suits that purpose better than an alliance with Iran would, the main reason being, we don't WANT an alliance with Iran, we want their resources for ourselves, plus they serve a purpose as a boogeyman.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:20:44 EDT (#)
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Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes. The L.A. attack, the Canadian terror cell, the Miami Sears Tower plotters, the botched London raid, have all been exposed for what they were - elaborate entrapment operations perpetrated by our own intelligence and investigative bodies. They were made-to-order by the FBI and other organizations to scare the population into accepting the radical neo-con policy of control and surveillance.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:20:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:11:25 (#)
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Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all. What better way to secure a steady stream on military contracts than to build more bases in the middle east and station troops there to act as security forces indefinitely? The larger geopolitical strategists at work behind the scenes, the men that plan each move of our global chess pieces, will seek to make as many gains in the region as possible before another midterm election, after which another smokescreen will have to go into effect, an entirely different angle of targeted propaganda and political compromise will have to ensue. While it will not suddenly become impossible to carry out such plans, the logistics will be more complicated by a Democratic House, mainly because the Democrats will have to answer for suddenly becoming what they claimed to be against.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:19:56 EDT (#)
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ate this as you want, I don't give a fuck at this point. This is WAR! Some of you people need to wake the fuck up. This might be uncomfortable for you, but goddammit, if you don't raise hell now, you'll pay it tomorrow, I fucking GUARANTEE IT.
IF you know ANYTHING about history, none of this should surprise you, but obviously, a lot of you went to American and British schools, so you really can't be blamed for your ignorance.
I am here to WARN YOU...this WILL happen again! It's only a matter of time!
If we don't stand up soon and demand answers and show these fucking people responsible we're NOT buying their bullshit propaganda anymore, and if we don't tell them that we will not stand by and watch our own people be murdered by our own presidential administration and military generals, the next step is totalitarian marshall law.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:19:30 EDT (#)
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ME: You think the worst that can happen is we'll have to live in climate controlled buildings??? Are you seriously stupid? That is an honest question, dude. I can't tell when you're being serious either. *pulls out hair*
If some scientists' hypotheses are correct and there is a "point of no return" for global warming after which the feedback loops would take over and boil us all alive in our own atmosphere, then that would be a little worse than having to live in climate controlled buildings, doncha think? Plus, what plants are gonna survive for us to live off of? What are we going to cultivate to eat if we can't even stand to be outside anymore because it's so fucking hot?
Pollution peaked a few decades ago? Where did you get that information? From a Cracker Jack box? Dude, China and India each have a billion plus people and they are in the midst of the largest industrial revolution since the United States and Europe in the earlth 20th century and you think that pollution peaked decades ago?
Come on...you're smarter than that, surely
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ME: Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all.
INDO: Because that worked in Iraq?
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It's the only way the war even happened in the first fucking place.
I'm so sick of this shit. But you are not going to win.
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Okay so we have this shadowy group that wants to control the world's oil supplies, and it is powerful enough to cause 9/11 and cause the war in Iraq (and keep hydrogen cars from being produced, and keep the metric system down).
If "they" are so smart and powerful don't you think they would realize they don't want to get in a land war in Iran, don't you htink if oil was their goal in Iraq they would have learned their lesson, don't you think they would notice we aren't getting oil from Iraq? If they were a souless group who only wanted power why wouldn't they just deal with Iran and give them free reign in the middle east in exchange for oil?
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I'm gonna answer every one of these questions, so you better fucking pay attention...
First, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with the metric system. Besides that...
Who said anything about a land war? I never said it would be a land war.
We're not getting oil from Iraq YET....YET. Iraq's oil isn't for the here and now, it's for the future. We're more than content to use up everyone else's oil first. Other than making that oil available for the long term, it also ensures that no oil gets sold from Iraq in the short term if that serves our purpose. 14 military bases are being built throughout Iraq right now - according to many soldiers, it's about the only real significant construction going on there - gives us a direct valve on the price of oil. Pull your head out of your ass and think about it. Record profits...
They won't "give Iran free reign" because they've already got a deal with an even bigger oil producer in Saudi Arabia, who doesn't particularly care for Iran, and religious pressures here in our country and among our allies would make that policy difficult or impossible. Plus, that's simply not in the long term agenda. It's about getting the most for as little effort possible in the long term, and our current arrangement suits that purpose better than an alliance with Iran would, the main reason being, we don't WANT an alliance with Iran, we want their resources for ourselves, plus they serve a purpose as a boogeyman.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:16:58 EDT (#)
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The FBI were the ones that paid for the 1993 attack! The man who parked the van in the garage, Emed Salem, got the FBI agents on TAPE telling him exactly how to carry out the attack. They paid for it with taxpayers money! Mr. Salem THOUGHT he was there to help infiltrate the terrorist organization that was supposedly carrying out the attack, and the FBI was SUPPOSED to have given him fake bomb material to sell them, but he grew suspicious that the FBI was up to something else, so he tapes some of his conversations with them for his own protection. The agents are caught on tape telling him to be sure to park beside the main pillars (to make sure the explosion would be coupled to the ground and bring down the building.) He disobeyed them by parking away from the designated spot because he was suspicious they had given the group ACTUAL bomb material. The government benefited greatly from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In particular, the bombing eventually resulted, along with the Oklahoma City bombing, in the proposal of the 1995 Counterterrorism Bill greatly expanding federal authorities' budgets and powers
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:16:33 EDT (#)
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Up front, I'm sorry for the crappy link post, but in the interest of fulfilling my conscientious objective to spread real information wherever I happen to find it, I offer this for your skeptical viewing.
I'm sure I already know how this will be received, but from my perspective it's pretty bad when you've got two 9/11 Commission chairmen saying their panel was too soft on Rudy Guliani and they suspected government involvement, even considering a full investigation of the Pentagon for possible cover up, it's time for a new investigation, wouldn't you think?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:16:04 EDT (#)
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Well, the President of Iran is on C-SPAN tonight, with the complete interview by Mike Wallace - at first they'll show the 60 Minutes version, then they'll show all the bullshit that got edited out.
The parts I watched made me want to shoot that guy in the head. (not Mike Wallace)
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:15:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:13:36 (#)
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What Apollo said, only with a look of disgust at Craig Bellamy. """
ahahhaha he's good now he's playing for a big club.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:15:12 EDT (#)
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>claps<
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:13:36 EDT (#)
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What Apollo said, only with a look of disgust at Craig Bellamy.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:13:33 EDT (#)
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ME: You think the worst that can happen is we'll have to live in climate controlled buildings??? Are you seriously stupid? That is an honest question, dude. I can't tell when you're being serious either. *pulls out hair*
If some scientists' hypotheses are correct and there is a "point of no return" for global warming after which the feedback loops would take over and boil us all alive in our own atmosphere, then that would be a little worse than having to live in climate controlled buildings, doncha think? Plus, what plants are gonna survive for us to live off of? What are we going to cultivate to eat if we can't even stand to be outside anymore because it's so fucking hot?
Pollution peaked a few decades ago? Where did you get that information? From a Cracker Jack box? Dude, China and India each have a billion plus people and they are in the midst of the largest industrial revolution since the United States and Europe in the earlth 20th century and you think that pollution peaked decades ago?
Come on...you're smarter than that, surely
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:13:02 EDT (#)
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I wasn't "completely 100% wrong", I just wasn't clear in what I was trying to say at first. When I was pressed by your and others' defamatory comments, I clarified that I wasn't talking AT ALL about a perpetual motion machine.
I'm well aware of the principles of transfer of energy. That some of you would even assume I wasn't was insulting to the point I didn't even want to fuck with talking to you
I was speculating on the possibility of a vehicle that might never have to stop to refuel using outside sources of energy into the system. I was throwing it out there so see if anyone could point me to a link that discussed it.
You say I'm full of shit, but you are one stubborn motherfucker. You people get your knee-jerk reactions and block out everything else that's said. That's your problem.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:12:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:52:37 (#)
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Hey Jack-ass, I think yer an arrogant turd.
And as incredibly smart and talented as you are, you are a chicken-shit who avoids any discussion beyond cheap snipes and right-wing blow-hard nonsense.
I will happily debate you on anything Captain Marginalization. Even if I was some sort of alter it wouldn't justify you complete avoidance of any larger discussion beyond your pretty prefabricated bullshit.
But you won't bother, the "dickhead" you play on the internet is decidedly quite shallow and weak.
...but always entertaining.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:11:40 EDT (#)
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My ignorant ass?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/83260#1815361
I guess if I was as smart as you I would believe that oil companies in collusion witht he Govt are keeping down cold fusion.
I would also believe that,
"Extracting the Hydrogen AGAIN from the very water the engine gives off as a biproduct using alternators for the any required electrical current in the process. It's a self-sustaining system."
Is possible.
You may have looked up the laws of thermodynamics after this gem because everyone with half a brain knew at that point you had no idea what you were talking about, but you lose all credability because you can't admit that this is flat out wrong. It is in no sense of the word a "self-sustaining system".
But don't acknowledge me, I am to ignorant to believe in cold fusion.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:11:25 EDT (#)
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Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all. What better way to secure a steady stream on military contracts than to build more bases in the middle east and station troops there to act as security forces indefinitely? The larger geopolitical strategists at work behind the scenes, the men that plan each move of our global chess pieces, will seek to make as many gains in the region as possible before another midterm election, after which another smokescreen will have to go into effect, an entirely different angle of targeted propaganda and political compromise will have to ensue. While it will not suddenly become impossible to carry out such plans, the logistics will be more complicated by a Democratic House, mainly because the Democrats will have to answer for suddenly becoming what they claimed to be against.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:11:04 EDT (#)
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Think what you must.
I never said Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons...I said we couldn't blame them IF they wanted them, and they have just as much inherent right to them as we do, or Israel does, or Pakistan, or France, or Britain, or China.
There was a time when we went through this same thing with China and Russia and Pakistan.
I'm not trying to be "unique". Fuck you for insinuating that. I don't give two FUCKS what anyone thinks about me. I'm just relaying the truth as I see it. Agree or disagree, I don't give a flying fuck.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:10:46 EDT (#)
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Here is TODAY'S piece of evidence. It is the story of Scott Forbes, who worked on the 90-something floor of the South Tower of the World Trade Center being interviewed and speaking of the unprecedented "power down" in the South Tower leading up to 9/11, actually the WEEKEND before. He was luckily off work that Tuesday, the 11th. It's the reason he's alive today.
He was blackballed by the 9/11 Commission. That's right, they never questioned him or heeded his information. He tried to tell Port Authority Officials, but was ignored.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:10:26 EDT (#)
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Since 9/11/2001, our governments have kept us on edge with a series of so-called "terrorist plots" that turned out to be nothing more than hyped-up government hoaxes. The L.A. attack, the Canadian terror cell, the Miami Sears Tower plotters, the botched London raid, have all been exposed for what they were - elaborate entrapment operations perpetrated by our own intelligence and investigative bodies. They were made-to-order by the FBI and other organizations to scare the population into accepting the radical neo-con policy of control and surveillance.
Even the recent 10-plane fireworks plot involving transatlantic flights from Britain to the U.S. are highly questionable. It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections. In fact, Ramzi Yousef, the supposed ringleader of this most recent London operation was an American intelligence asset whose services go back to the early 1990s and the first WTC bombing.
Source: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2132
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:09:52 EDT (#)
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I was watching Hardball on MSNBC the other night and a guest commentator from inside Lebanon, a British journalist, was asked by Chris Matthew's female stand-in why Israel would bomb the Beirut International Airport, to which he responded by saying that it was part of the Israeli strategy of blockading the country and served as an economic blow to the because this is tourist season and Lebanon's economy relies heavily on tourism. After the gentleman had answered the question, the host then added (I'm paraphrasing) "That, and we also know it's to cut off support coming in from Syria and Iran." The host felt it necessary to throw that in there seeing as she hadn't gotten the answer the network needed. Fortunately, the Syrian diplomat came on a few minutes later and gave the American media a smackdown. I have the interview on tape and plan on compiling a video of all the tidbits of propaganda maneuvering so all you overseas people can see what Americans are bombarded with on a daily basis. If I get my video capture card working, I'll post it on YouTube for you.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:08:49 EDT (#)
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Who can blame farmer Jeb when he gets pissed off and whips out the shotgun and blows some hippie squatters away? Sure, maybe he can't quite claim self defence in the matter, but protection of one's personal property and livlihood is like an inalienable right doncha think? Or maybe it should be. No, in this story, the hippies end up killing farmer Jeb's children and claiming self defence...and in this story the jury buys it. Instead, they convict farmer Jeb for terroristic threatening and award the hippies punitive damages.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:08:11 EDT (#)
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The U.S., Great Britain, and Israel are good at playing the victim. They are quick to point out when they have been wronged, but are slow or altogether negligent in pointing out their own mistakes or malicious transgressions.
I suppose it's only human nature to be that way. The most guilty are often the least willing to accept guilt. They are the ones who will do whatever it takes to convince others that it is they who are the victims. This is easy to do when it's only YOUR version of events that your people are able to hear, and for the last 60 years, the Anti-Defamation League has made it impossible to criticize Israel without being labeled a racist.
Think about that... If a murderer were on trial, how would he convince a jury
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:07:39 EDT (#)
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A caller on C-SPAN displayed this ignorance earlier today. "This is all written in the Book of Revelation," she said. "God said that in the end of time Israel will be surrounded by enemies, and it's coming true. We have to stand beside Israel to be on the side of right." It looks like Revelation come true because the people in power are making it look like Revelation come true on purpose. This is not to say that by trying to fulfill the prophesy that they actually AREN'T, but the control of this viewpoint has carried massive political weight for decades. It was an important political tool used during the cold war to secure the Christian vote.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:07:23 EDT (#)
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Okay, I'll not rip ETS, because he has points here.
Another attack is imminent.
They always are. That's how terrorism works. This color coded bullshit warning system should always be on red. We are always under the threat of attack.
The next attack will be on a shopping mall, mark my words. There is NO security in effect. You can just stroll right in with bomhbs and guns. And the mental effect it will have will be devastating. Mostly women and children frequent them. The best targets for a terror attack.
I'm not saying this because I think that's what will happen. This isn't the speculation and paranioa that ETS spouts.
This comes from the training I've received.
That's why I don't shop at malls during the holidays.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:06:55 EDT (#)
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These points alone render your assessment invalid, but....
It's not the administration that orchestrated this. They certainly played their part, but if you think I'm saying that George Bush and Dick Cheney personally planned this, you've mistaken what I've been saying. We're talking about the military industrial complex and black ops doing the planning and execution, all Bush had to do was keep his mouth shut about it and be a good little puppet like Clinton and his daddy were.
You wanna talk incompetancy, fine...
Bush sat in that classroom looking like a fucking dumbass for like 12 minutes, endangering children while our nation was supposedly 'under attack' by an unknown enemy. Fuckup #1.
He then went on to later say that he'd seen the first plane hit the building even though there was no live news coverage of the event. Fuckup #2.
Bush said publicly there were no warnings of the event, then later admitted there were. Fuckup #3.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:06:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:50:53 (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:48:03 (#)
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Wow. Look at you participating in a conversation. It's fucking freaking me out. Keep it up.
However, pissing people off is absolutely no basis for global relations either.
Ask anyone.
I think you are absolutely right about Iran, too. Hezebullah seems little more than a puppet government anyways - but I am not an expert in Middle East politics, nor am I much of a religious scholar.
Just a fucking shame so many relatively innocent people are getting killed.
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More people were killed in Iraq by Iraqi "insurgents" (I don't know what we are calling them now) in a month than lebanese, and it has been going on for months.
There are any number of bloodier conflicts going on in the woprld, I wonder what makes everyone think that was even remotely near the biggest tragedy.
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Couldn't agree more. This is why I think more people should be talking about it... not just clamoring to prove how much bigger their webbed dick is.
FAR bloodier conflicts. Humanity is failing. Collectively.
Individually we are all special in out own way, but as a group we really do suck.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:06:18 EDT (#)
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Iraq - Iraq isn't a 'fuck up'. It's a delicately planned disaster that is DESIGNED to be protracted and prolonged as long as possible. More money is made from a 10 year war than a 2 year war. Plus, it gives them an excuse to build their military bases and keep a permanent presence. If you think black ops isn't over there right now carrying out terror campaigns against different sects and blaming it on the other to keep the situation heated, you've been sleeping. But wht does Bush care? What to the people who pull his strings care? They don't. He already 'won' his two elections, it's not like the corrupt congress is going to impeach his sorry ass. This is the fucking New World Order at work.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:05:57 EDT (#)
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ILLUMINATI r teh r0XX0r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:05:51 EDT (#)
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Am I in the goddamn Twilight Zone here?
Someone help me out! This asshole is suggesting that the wings "blew up" on impact and, I guess, fucking disintegrated into thin fucking air.
THEN he has the GALL to call that "common sense"!!!
W.T.F?
Did you suffer from lack of oxygen at birth, jason? Did your mother's anaconda-sized umbilical cord wrap itself around your watermelon head? What the hell is wrong with you? Have you ever even SEEN a plane crash? Dude, planes have crashed into fucking mountains and haven't disintegrated on impact like you're suggesting.
That's it, you've lost your priviledge of being heard by me for that little display of idiocy
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:05:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:00:58 (#)
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Even the recent 10-plane fireworks plot involving transatlantic flights from Britain to the U.S. are highly questionable. It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections.
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Why stage a terror plot in britain to influence american elections? I was under the impression they were going to detonate the bombs over the atlantic, which really isn't anywhere near as troubling to america as a domestic hijack. Plus, by targeting international travel, they would be discouraging tourism which brings a shitload of money into the country. I don't understand your reasoning here.
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I think you are operating under this misconception that ETS still knows what reason is.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:03:38 EDT (#)
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As for what happened to the passengers on the planes, I can't say for sure. For all I know they are living their lives in Tahiti off government checks. Or they could have never existed at all. People are given new identities by the government all the time. Of course, it's still possible they may have been on the wrong flight at the wrong time in the case of the planes that hit the towers and crashed in PA.
But the Pentagon crash 'victims' I am highly skeptical of.
There is also evidence that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland, OH the morning of 9/11. (Watch Loose Change for more on this.)
What happened to those passengers after that? I have no idea. But again, if you go back to Operation Northwoods, you'll see that the government had plans to stage mock funeral for mock victims, to plow up ships and planes full of mock victims. They had plans to completely change people's identities and go on about their lives like this never happened.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:03:16 EDT (#)
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The gay pride parades and black congressmen is not a valid argument. Their occurrance reflects the changing social attitudes more than actual 'rights'. The 'right' was there to do it before then as well, they just would have been run out of town with no means by which to challenge those who ran them out. Black congressmen simply would not have been elected.
Let me ask you this... Why is it the right to vote that we 'gave' blacks, the right that made black congressmen possible, is a bill that expires every 25 years rather than a constitutional amendment?
Don't you think that's a fair question?
Look, we don't have more rights. It's that simple. People have stood up over the years and challenged others to affirm the rights they already had, but if it's not in the constitution, it's not a 'right'.
You say the Patriot Act isn't permanent, we'll see. But the point is, they've shit on the first and fourth amendments with it. Even if it only lasts a year, that's a year too long. I don't care what EXCUSE you use...terrorism, whatever...it's not fucking worth it.
PERIOD.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:03:02 EDT (#)
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Look, these people have already taken us to 2 wars and are justifying yet another, (Israel and Lebanon) on the basis of "fighting terror" that THEY created.
The LEAST we can do is learn the truth and attempt to spread it rather than subscribing to their lies in our opposition, which in that way isn't really even opposition, it's complicity.
Purchase a copy of 'Loose Change' and show it to your friends and family. Loan it out to others and/or burn copies to give away.
You know the saying, "the truth will set you free?" That's all I'm asking, for the truth. Everything else falls logically from there. As long as the truth comes out, the rest will take care of itself.
Here's the thing, you see politicians and media personalities on BOTH sides, conservative and liberal, accepting this LIE of a pervasive problem of worldwide terrorism and their arguments never question this premise. They will argue till their blue in the face about the Iraq war, but they don't even put it in the proper context. Nothing good can come of that.
It drives me absolutely insane to see these 'debates' on national TV where everyone agrees we have to do something about "terrorism". All these false conservatives and pussy liberals sitting there spewing the state-santioned propaganda ALL DAY LONG, while people who try to put forward the real truth are intimidated, ridiculed, and/or run out of office.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:02:51 EDT (#)
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"In fact, Ramzi Yousef, the supposed ringleader of this most recent London operation was an American intelligence asset........"
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So was Noriega...and Bin Laden. Oh, but wait...they are being set up by the US Government. Duuuuh.
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:02:09 EDT (#)
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ate this as you want, I don't give a fuck at this point. This is WAR! Some of you people need to wake the fuck up. This might be uncomfortable for you, but goddammit, if you don't raise hell now, you'll pay it tomorrow, I fucking GUARANTEE IT.
IF you know ANYTHING about history, none of this should surprise you, but obviously, a lot of you went to American and British schools, so you really can't be blamed for your ignorance.
I am here to WARN YOU...this WILL happen again! It's only a matter of time!
If we don't stand up soon and demand answers and show these fucking people responsible we're NOT buying their bullshit propaganda anymore, and if we don't tell them that we will not stand by and watch our own people be murdered by our own presidential administration and military generals, the next step is totalitarian marshall law.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 16:00:58 EDT (#)
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Even the recent 10-plane fireworks plot involving transatlantic flights from Britain to the U.S. are highly questionable. It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections.
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Why stage a terror plot in britain to influence american elections? I was under the impression they were going to detonate the bombs over the atlantic, which really isn't anywhere near as troubling to america as a domestic hijack. Plus, by targeting international travel, they would be discouraging tourism which brings a shitload of money into the country. I don't understand your reasoning here.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:58:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:56:41 (#)
Ranking: 0
Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
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I expect the same thing everytime, and mostly I get it.
I kill some time and then see ETS ignore me when he realizes that his theories make no sense. I miss the days when he flipped out more, I like to see him threaten to kill people.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:57:23 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:56:41 EDT (#)
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Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Applies not only to the poster but the reviewers.
ETS, do you believe you will change these peoples minds?
Reviewers, do you believe you will change ETS's mind?
Insanity is the curse that befalls you all, knowing that this site is not here to do this bidding, from either end, and yet still continuing it.
You can call one another morons, the term fitting so well.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:56:13 EDT (#)
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Rob_Berg is not my alter.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:52:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:48:03 (#)
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Being afraid to piss people off is absolutely no basis for global relations.
Ask Chamberlain.
Better yet ask Israel. They gave Gaza back, they were (are) in the process of giving the West bank back, they gave Lebannon all of their land back, and look what happened.
They get attacked.
I wonder if in your huge brain you ever thought that maybe Iran is playing games? Maybe they put preassure on Hezebullah to fuck with Israel to take preassure off their nuclear operations?
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Wow. Look at you participating in a conversation. It's fucking freaking me out. Keep it up.
However, pissing people off is absolutely no basis for global relations either.
Ask anyone.
I think you are absolutely right about Iran, too. Hezebullah seems little more than a puppet government anyways - but I am not an expert in Middle East politics, nor am I much of a religious scholar.
Just a fucking shame so many relatively innocent people are getting killed.
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NO, the shame is ETS using his own alter to +2 his own post.
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:52:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Again ETS. How many times must I tell you to take the tin foil hat off?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:50:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:48:03 (#)
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Wow. Look at you participating in a conversation. It's fucking freaking me out. Keep it up.
However, pissing people off is absolutely no basis for global relations either.
Ask anyone.
I think you are absolutely right about Iran, too. Hezebullah seems little more than a puppet government anyways - but I am not an expert in Middle East politics, nor am I much of a religious scholar.
Just a fucking shame so many relatively innocent people are getting killed.
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More people were killed in Iraq by Iraqi "insurgents" (I don't know what we are calling them now) in a month than lebanese, and it has been going on for months.
There are any number of bloodier conflicts going on in the woprld, I wonder what makes everyone think that was even remotely near the biggest tragedy.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:48:03 EDT (#)
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Being afraid to piss people off is absolutely no basis for global relations.
Ask Chamberlain.
Better yet ask Israel. They gave Gaza back, they were (are) in the process of giving the West bank back, they gave Lebannon all of their land back, and look what happened.
They get attacked.
I wonder if in your huge brain you ever thought that maybe Iran is playing games? Maybe they put preassure on Hezebullah to fuck with Israel to take preassure off their nuclear operations?
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Wow. Look at you participating in a conversation. It's fucking freaking me out. Keep it up.
However, pissing people off is absolutely no basis for global relations either.
Ask anyone.
I think you are absolutely right about Iran, too. Hezebullah seems little more than a puppet government anyways - but I am not an expert in Middle East politics, nor am I much of a religious scholar.
Just a fucking shame so many relatively innocent people are getting killed.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:46:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:09 (#)
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No, I'm more likely to conclude that the attacks from Hezbollah and Gaza were deliberately provoked to justify a retaliation, much like hundreds of other operations through history, Pearl Harbor included.
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How were those attacks provoked?
Ah Pearl harbor. So they US picked a fight with poor Japan for no reason, and I guess the UK made Hitler invade Poland.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:46:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:38 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:22 (#)
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ME: Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all.
INDO: Because that worked in Iraq?
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It's the only way the war even happened in the first fucking place.
I'm so sick of this shit. But you are not going to win.
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Okay so we have this shadowy group that wants to control the world's oil supplies, and it is powerful enough to cause 9/11 and cause the war in Iraq (and keep hydrogen cars from being produced, and keep the metric system down).
If "they" are so smart and powerful don't you think they would realize they don't want to get in a land war in Iran, don't you htink if oil was their goal in Iraq they would have learned their lesson, don't you think they would notice we aren't getting oil from Iraq? If they were a souless group who only wanted power why wouldn't they just deal with Iran and give them free reign in the middle east in exchange for oil?
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Dude, it's all about getting to wear awesome robes!!!
http://www.ubersite.com/m/91733
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:44:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:42:23 (#)
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Hey rob-
Explain to us how you manage to type and suck cock at the same time.
Fucking asshole.
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Shlongy...why don't you get a life? You're like 50 years old for Christ's sake! Don't you have grandchildren to play with or something?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:22 (#)
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ME: Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all.
INDO: Because that worked in Iraq?
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It's the only way the war even happened in the first fucking place.
I'm so sick of this shit. But you are not going to win.
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Okay so we have this shadowy group that wants to control the world's oil supplies, and it is powerful enough to cause 9/11 and cause the war in Iraq (and keep hydrogen cars from being produced, and keep the metric system down).
If "they" are so smart and powerful don't you think they would realize they don't want to get in a land war in Iran, don't you htink if oil was their goal in Iraq they would have learned their lesson, don't you think they would notice we aren't getting oil from Iraq? If they were a souless group who only wanted power why wouldn't they just deal with Iran and give them free reign in the middle east in exchange for oil?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:43:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:33:39 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:14:21 (#)
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Badassmofo: I think you're wrong with the "inevitable" attitude. Whether or not we're attacked again depends as much on us as it does anyone else, but I can tell you this, if we keep pissing people off, we're gonna be sorry. By 'we', I mean Britain and the U.S. both.
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Being afraid to piss people off is absolutely no basis for global relations.
Ask Chamberlain.
Better yet ask Israel. They gave Gaza back, they were (are) in the process of giving the West bank back, they gave Lebannon all of their land back, and look what happened.
They get attacked.
I wonder if in your huge brain you ever thought that maybe Iran is playing games? Maybe they put preassure on Hezebullah to fuck with Israel to take preassure off their nuclear operations?
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No, I'm more likely to conclude that the attacks from Hezbollah and Gaza were deliberately provoked to justify a retaliation, much like hundreds of other operations through history, Pearl Harbor included.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:42:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Hey rob-
Explain to us how you manage to type and suck cock at the same time.
Fucking asshole.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:38:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:07 (#)
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You, plotting another major attack on some dude's asshole is ALSO imminent...
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...stop trolling for bum sex you letch.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:27:23 (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:20:50 (#)
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by mine and my uncles calculations we'll be able to defend with 5 people through civil authorities (until swat arrives) and zombies. Once mechanized military comes we'll have to give up the strong hold and switch to fast moving guerrila tactics, that's why my girls will be able to carry 60lb rucks by the time they are 10.
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What about biological warfare?
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While Louisvill and Lexington are big towns in relation to the state...I'm sure they don't rate very highly on the prime target list. I'm not too concerned but we are building a bunker, complete with are filtration? We'll take all steps that are feasable. Besides, you don't want to fuck around...if you get hit with nerve gas, I'll shoot you to spare you the convulting and internal combustion.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:22 EDT (#)
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ME: Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all.
INDO: Because that worked in Iraq?
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It's the only way the war even happened in the first fucking place.
I'm so sick of this shit. But you are not going to win.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:34:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You, plotting another major attack on some dude's asshole is ALSO imminent...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:33:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:14:21 (#)
Ranking: 0
Badassmofo: I think you're wrong with the "inevitable" attitude. Whether or not we're attacked again depends as much on us as it does anyone else, but I can tell you this, if we keep pissing people off, we're gonna be sorry. By 'we', I mean Britain and the U.S. both.
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Being afraid to piss people off is absolutely no basis for global relations.
Ask Chamberlain.
Better yet ask Israel. They gave Gaza back, they were (are) in the process of giving the West bank back, they gave Lebannon all of their land back, and look what happened.
They get attacked.
I wonder if in your huge brain you ever thought that maybe Iran is playing games? Maybe they put preassure on Hezebullah to fuck with Israel to take preassure off their nuclear operations?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:31:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:10:50 (#)
Ranking: 0
Your level of operation is childish, and makes people automatically discredit anything you have to say. This has been going on for five months, learn that your retaliation to people inspires annoyance/anger which in turn causes them to give more -2s and not listen to what you say.
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How my rating practices have anything whatsoever to do with my personal credibility I don't see. They are two separate things.
I've publicly told everyone how I operate with respect to ratings many many times. I have openly informed everyone that, yes, I will fucking spam you if you retaliate on my posts or follow me like a moth. I've done it specifically because I want everyone to be aware and not pull this suprised face bullshit like jaygreening whenever I do it.
All I can say is, at this moment, our truce is in effect, but that doesn't mean I'm changing my policy.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:27:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Har-har!
Your post is minuser than my post!
Now sic all your paranoid underlings on me and wipe me off the front page. Come on man! You can do it, I know you can!
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:27:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:20:50 (#)
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by mine and my uncles calculations we'll be able to defend with 5 people through civil authorities (until swat arrives) and zombies. Once mechanized military comes we'll have to give up the strong hold and switch to fast moving guerrila tactics, that's why my girls will be able to carry 60lb rucks by the time they are 10.
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What about biological warfare?
Submitted by sealclubber (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:24:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
LOUD NOISES
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:20:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:03:40 (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:54 (#)
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Of course I'm the one with an escape plan, land that is prime for fortification, and surrounding myself with family members having military backgrounds...and guns.
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I like this plan.
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by mine and my uncles calculations we'll be able to defend with 5 people through civil authorities (until swat arrives) and zombies. Once mechanized military comes we'll have to give up the strong hold and switch to fast moving guerrila tactics, that's why my girls will be able to carry 60lb rucks by the time they are 10.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:18:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
and what about groups like hezbollah that take foreign country's soldiers hostage and start firing rockets at civilians?
what do you propose we do about them?
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:17:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Warning people so you can say "I told you so" and "now I guess you'll listen to me from now on" is ridiculous. I'm no more inclined to listen to a weatherman after high winds knock over trees and destroy my house than I am if he calls for clear skies and it rains. If it's coming it's coming - you're just telling people which way the wind blows.
My neighbor's weathervane does that, and I don't need to worry about it concealing a hunting knife.
So, unless you can tell us how to stop the wind, save everyone the trouble and keep your warnings to yourself.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:17:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"It seems likely that this so-called "plot" against the citizens of Great Britain and The United States is nothing more than another elaborate government hoax designed to bolster Republican support before the American midterm elections."
Because Blair's popularity is really being helped by the Bush administration, I am sure he wouldn't prefer Democrats to be in power.
"Through a barrage of opinion-forming rhetoric, it is clear what the agenda of the neo-cons is: attack Iran and take control of the oil fields once and for all."
Because that worked in Iraq?
"Fox News watchers agree, Iran should be wiped off the map, which leads to an interesting question... Who are the real terrorists here? "
Citizens free to speak their minds makes the US terrorists ETS? It isn't like the head of state is saying a country should be wiped off the map (as Iran said about Israel).
Would you prefer they weren't allowed to voice their, however stupid, opinions? Or maybe yo htink there is nobody on the streets of Iran voicing those opinions? that is right I bet al those thousands of people who get together to burn flags just want us to play nice.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:16:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:07:29 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:53 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:56:26 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:30 (#)
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Definitely some deja vu in comparisons to the Iraq crisis and the Iran crisis...inspectors refused entrance, UN security measures...
The problem is that nobody believes the boy that cries wolf. Maybe it could be morally feasible to attack Iran, but since Bush used up whatever goodwill he had pursuing war with Iraq, he doesn't have a lot of diplomatic leeway.
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Exactly. That's why I'm telling you another attack is imminent. I'm doing it ahead of time so that when it happens you might all be more likely to listen to what I have to say.
Thank you for being civil, by the way... Truce?
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Stay off people's posts if you're going to -2 spam them. Truce.
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Hey, man... You know exactly why I did that. Don't act like you're completely innocent. You retaliated on me and I did the same thing back. This is how these things go. Everyone here should know by now how I operate.
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i -2ed you on a 9/11 post a ways back because i felt you were full of shit. you went back and -2ed five of my old posts.
i -2ed your next post that was on arguably the EXACT same topic. you went back and -2ed another five posts (mostly the ones that had perfect or near perfect ratings).
this trend has continued, although i only rate the current post. i have even tried giving you +2's or just zeros, but you still go back. you've dropped my rating from a 1.06 to a .92 because of you and, oh yeah, i forgot, your alters.
so how does this work again?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:14:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:02:58 (#)
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Dude, don't worry about it.
Fox News is just trying to scare the primates again.
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See, that's why I gave all those examples in the beginning of the government hoaxes since 9/11 and drew a stark distinction between those and this.
Badassmofo: I think you're wrong with the "inevitable" attitude. Whether or not we're attacked again depends as much on us as it does anyone else, but I can tell you this, if we keep pissing people off, we're gonna be sorry. By 'we', I mean Britain and the U.S. both.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:10:50 EDT (#)
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Your level of operation is childish, and makes people automatically discredit anything you have to say. This has been going on for five months, learn that your retaliation to people inspires annoyance/anger which in turn causes them to give more -2s and not listen to what you say.
Anyway, you're in the Battle d'Uber http://ubersite.com/m/91783 . Your goal is to get revenge on Method for http://ubersite.com/m/86629 and other things.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:08:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Because you minus two'd my post even though I was saying the same thing.
In two sentences I might add.
Remember Bradley if it takes you 19 paragraphs to say something you aren't saying it properly.
Shandy and I did all this a while back but we made it amusing and engaging not confrontational, wordy and boring.
But then you haven't the wit.
Dullard.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:07:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:53 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:56:26 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:30 (#)
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Definitely some deja vu in comparisons to the Iraq crisis and the Iran crisis...inspectors refused entrance, UN security measures...
The problem is that nobody believes the boy that cries wolf. Maybe it could be morally feasible to attack Iran, but since Bush used up whatever goodwill he had pursuing war with Iraq, he doesn't have a lot of diplomatic leeway.
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Exactly. That's why I'm telling you another attack is imminent. I'm doing it ahead of time so that when it happens you might all be more likely to listen to what I have to say.
Thank you for being civil, by the way... Truce?
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Stay off people's posts if you're going to -2 spam them. Truce.
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Hey, man... You know exactly why I did that. Don't act like you're completely innocent. You retaliated on me and I did the same thing back. This is how these things go. Everyone here should know by now how I operate.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:07:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
provacative as usual.
is it really so hard to believe that there are people in other parts of the world that want to destroy us?
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:04:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
*sigh*
head between the legs time.
but no, hang on, I've got to go to work.
Whatever, they missed me on 7/7.. let 'em try again.
I couldn't give a monkeys bollocks to be totally honest. It's that or cancer... meh..
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:03:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:54 (#)
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Of course I'm the one with an escape plan, land that is prime for fortification, and surrounding myself with family members having military backgrounds...and guns.
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I like this plan.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:03:23 EDT (#)
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so what are your hobbies besides music and ranting?
likes/dislikes?
those sorts of things.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:02:58 EDT (#)
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Dude, don't worry about it.
Fox News is just trying to scare the primates again.
Oh, and you should check out this blatant linkwhore... http://www.ubersite.com/m/91733
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:54 EDT (#)
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I don't think that saying another attack is coming is revolutionary or prophetic.
Yes there is another attack coming, sooner or later we will be hit again...see what I did there.
Of course I'm the one with an escape plan, land that is prime for fortification, and surrounding myself with family members having military backgrounds...and guns.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:56:26 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:30 (#)
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Definitely some deja vu in comparisons to the Iraq crisis and the Iran crisis...inspectors refused entrance, UN security measures...
The problem is that nobody believes the boy that cries wolf. Maybe it could be morally feasible to attack Iran, but since Bush used up whatever goodwill he had pursuing war with Iraq, he doesn't have a lot of diplomatic leeway.
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Exactly. That's why I'm telling you another attack is imminent. I'm doing it ahead of time so that when it happens you might all be more likely to listen to what I have to say.
Thank you for being civil, by the way... Truce?
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Stay off people's posts if you're going to -2 spam them. Truce.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 15:00:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:57:14 (#)
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Ill give you a hint to what this is COLD WAR
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You've been watching too much Hannity and Combs.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:58:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they're usually full of shit.
Submitted by Life101 (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:57:14 EDT (#)
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Ill give you a hint to what this is COLD WAR
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:56:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:30 (#)
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Definitely some deja vu in comparisons to the Iraq crisis and the Iran crisis...inspectors refused entrance, UN security measures...
The problem is that nobody believes the boy that cries wolf. Maybe it could be morally feasible to attack Iran, but since Bush used up whatever goodwill he had pursuing war with Iraq, he doesn't have a lot of diplomatic leeway.
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Exactly. That's why I'm telling you another attack is imminent. I'm doing it ahead of time so that when it happens you might all be more likely to listen to what I have to say.
Thank you for being civil, by the way... Truce?
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:55:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:54:02 (#)
Ranking: -2
DO YOU REALLY THINK SO GOOD SIR???
You should pick up a more constructive hobby, like alcoholism.
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or suicide, really i highly recommend it. You have to try it at least once, you haven't lived until you have dont it.
Submitted by Spooner (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:54:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
DO YOU REALLY THINK SO GOOD SIR???
You should pick up a more constructive hobby, like alcoholism.
Submitted by Maltese (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
WTC7 was NOT an accident.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:53:30 EDT (#)
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Definitely some deja vu in comparisons to the Iraq crisis and the Iran crisis...inspectors refused entrance, UN security measures...
The problem is that nobody believes the boy that cries wolf. Maybe it could be morally feasible to attack Iran, but since Bush used up whatever goodwill he had pursuing war with Iraq, he doesn't have a lot of diplomatic leeway.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:52:41 EDT (#)
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Really, wow ETS, that is unbelievable.
A terrorist attack you say? Hmmm, this is the first I have heard of this, really it is, thanks for the urgent update you fuckwit.
Jesus, even CNN ran this story a month ago.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:52:04 EDT (#)
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806terrorplot.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806terrorplot.htm
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806terrorplot.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806terrorplot.htm
Submitted by Defect (user info) at 2006-08-14 14:51:48 EDT (#)
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First review.