Loose Change Debunked (quite convincingly if I do say so myself) (801 hits)
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Submitted by Beano (View user info) at 2006-08-16 08:24:35 EDT
The following text is taken from http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html where Loose Change is debunked for what it is. A deliberate attempt at manipulating available information, showing out of context scenes or making claims that are then not backed up with evidence.
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The DVD "Loose Change" by rising media artist Dylan Avery has been touted by some members of the 911-truth community as the best presentation yet, as the "best evidence" (a reference to David Lifton's book, "Best Evidence" on the JFK assassination). This review will show that the DVD is anything but that; if it is not naive, foolish, uninformed and ignorant, then it is the work of a calculating mole or at best a naïf who has been used by such. "Loose Change" uses footage and analysis from the DVD "In Plane Site," by Dave vonKleist who has praised "Loose Change" as the best overall DVD on 911, so "In Plane Site" too will come under
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Does anyone else notice how a conspiracy theory believer when presented with facts about an event that flies in the face of what they believe, asks for more and more evidence, 'prove it' they claim. And when you do prove what you are claiming you then have to cross reference with other data to back up your evidence......and yet still further data and proof and THEN they claimm that all of your data is invalid because it's been manipulated by the government. Frustrating eh?
Yet these same people are quick to believe ANY evidence offered to them that backs up their (very important word coming up here....) PRECONCEIVED idea's as to what they WANT to believe happened. They DO NOT ask for cross referenced evidence or genuine experts to ratify what they are being told.
All I ask is that you READ the web pages linked or watch the Google video linked and MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE.........
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html - Loose Change Debunked.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1704985757029288892 - Loose Change Debunked.
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1154698183.shtml - Loose Change Debunked.
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Submitted by maf54 (user info) at 2008-05-14 05:01:51 EDT (#)
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Just to counter what that idiot Director did to you.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2008-05-13 16:06:08 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-17 04:15:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 14:10:44 (#)
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Indoninja - I support ETS, not because I agree with what he says (after all, I wasn't there at the WTC, so I cannot personally testify or prove the cause), but because he is unashamed to stand up for what he believes in and is not afraid to risk persecution from the majority. To me, it is always refreshing, and pertinent to hear ALL possible sides of the story...be as well informed as possible, and then make a logical and rational decision for one's self after hearing all the evidence from all sources.
As for my personal stance on 9/11, then? I want to believe that the planes, and foreign terrorists, were indeed the primary cause of the towers' collapse. It is the most probably and likely cause. But, as the old saying goes, there is an element of truth in every rumor, and therefore I refuse to shut my mind out to any possibilities that have not been completely disproven.
So yes, I live in a world of many shades of gray, and am often paralyzed from choice by seeing many sides of things. That is who I am.
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I like this review. I like it a lot.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-17 04:14:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:46:05 (#)
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Those are subjective and impossible to prove. Not the case with 9/11.
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Fucking naive lil bitch...
ETS is right about 10% of the time, which is enough to debunk your crap.
stop trying to hit whore by putting an ETS type filename in.
oh yeah...
EAT ME FAG
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Are you still mad because you posted a letter you received that said you were a poet and I pointed out how grossly wrong you were? Is it shame that makes you behave this way?
And stop posting shit and post your cunt you fucking whiney teenager.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 20:11:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:21:14 (#)
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Although not subjective because they either did or did not fall because of the planes, I still think the 'idea' is suitable for this because it highlights how certain people beleive what they beleive regardless of KNOWN facts.
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Good point.
Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:46:05 EDT (#)
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Those are subjective and impossible to prove. Not the case with 9/11.
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Fucking naive lil bitch...
ETS is right about 10% of the time, which is enough to debunk your crap.
stop trying to hit whore by putting an ETS type filename in.
oh yeah...
EAT ME FAG
Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:44:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:35:42 (#)
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Anyone who cites loose change as a fact is mildly retarted. They used to claim that rockets hit the WTC. the current version is filled with misleading statements, self serving eyewitnesses, half truths and outright lies,
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RETARDED. Kinda like you. Learn to spell.
P.S... ETS is a fucking nutcase, everyone knows it, so why bother wasting energy proving it?
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:21:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:31:47 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:12:51 (#)
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Bottom line is at the end of the day the Tottenham supporter will still support Totenham and believe them to be the best team in the world and the Arsenal supporter will still believe that HIS team are the best in the world.
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Those are subjective and impossible to prove. Not the case with 9/11.
It is an easily verifiable fact that the towers and WTC 7 were brought down by planes hitting them, no explosives, no thermite just the planes.
If you were to argue that the US knew about it, or set up the hi-jackers to do it, that is less possible to prove. And could work for you analogy.
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Although not subjective because they either did or did not fall because of the planes, I still think the 'idea' is suitable for this because it highlights how certain people beleive what they beleive regardless of KNOWN facts.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:18:31 EDT (#)
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OK, I'm pissed again so sorry for any bad typing/spelling.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 19:18:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:18:24 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:26:24 (#)
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The post wasn't aimed at promoting further discussion on who or how 9/11 happened.
It was aimed at highlighting that even loose change, often quoted on this site as a source of FACT, has it's doubters and that it, if taken and analysed, can be debunked.
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I don't disagree with this. You're absolutely right about not taking things as "fact" simply because some asshole says them. These things need to be checked up on.
But likewise, it is important to continue that philosophy to the so-called 'debunkers' and ask where their own facts are distorted and wonder why there are certain things, such as the need to release all the Pentagon videos to the public, they will avoid talking about.
All I'm asking for is fairness, and I don't see how any of you could argue that the 9/11 truth movement has gotten that. They/we have gotten nothing but ridicule and laughter at our very serious charges and questions. We get attacked personally and pushed around instead of having our actual questions accurately portrayed and addressed.
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Some humility shown here ETS. And I do not mean that to sound derogatory.
Man, I take the movement seriously because I beleive that until you have ruled out all other possibilities you are not left with the truth. However it is difficult to rule out all possibilities when people have preconceived idea.
ALL OF US have preconceived ideas, no one has a truley open mind. That could possibly be our biggest problem.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 18:57:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 18:11:58 (#)
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Whoever reads this, I want them to pay close attention to Indoninja's 'retort' below.
Study it and then get back to me with what the problems are with his 'argument'.
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Shut up idiot.
You have been harping for months about how a lack of photos of damage to WTC7 somehow proves it was explosives, now when you have it what do you do?
Ignore it.
Keep it up, ignore facts, ignore reality, babble on and on about conspiracies and being in touch with the oversoul if it helps you sleep at night but down deep I don't think you are dumb enough not to realize you are completely full of shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 18:11:58 EDT (#)
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Whoever reads this, I want them to pay close attention to Indoninja's 'retort' below.
Study it and then get back to me with what the problems are with his 'argument'.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 17:12:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 14:10:44 (#)
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Indoninja - I support ETS, not because I agree with what he says (after all, I wasn't there at the WTC, so I cannot personally testify or prove the cause), but because he is unashamed to stand up for what he believes in and is not afraid to risk persecution from the majority. To me, it is always refreshing, and pertinent to hear ALL possible sides of the story...be as well informed as possible, and then make a logical and rational decision for one's self after hearing all the evidence from all sources.
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The key word there is possible.
I am willing to entertain conversations on the US having foreknowledge, but it is completely and utterly impossible that the building was brought down with explosives.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-08-16 16:53:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 14:10:44 EDT (#)
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Indoninja - I support ETS, not because I agree with what he says (after all, I wasn't there at the WTC, so I cannot personally testify or prove the cause), but because he is unashamed to stand up for what he believes in and is not afraid to risk persecution from the majority. To me, it is always refreshing, and pertinent to hear ALL possible sides of the story...be as well informed as possible, and then make a logical and rational decision for one's self after hearing all the evidence from all sources.
As for my personal stance on 9/11, then? I want to believe that the planes, and foreign terrorists, were indeed the primary cause of the towers' collapse. It is the most probably and likely cause. But, as the old saying goes, there is an element of truth in every rumor, and therefore I refuse to shut my mind out to any possibilities that have not been completely disproven.
So yes, I live in a world of many shades of gray, and am often paralyzed from choice by seeing many sides of things. That is who I am.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:31:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:12:51 (#)
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Bottom line is at the end of the day the Tottenham supporter will still support Totenham and believe them to be the best team in the world and the Arsenal supporter will still believe that HIS team are the best in the world.
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Those are subjective and impossible to prove. Not the case with 9/11.
It is an easily verifiable fact that the towers and WTC 7 were brought down by planes hitting them, no explosives, no thermite just the planes.
If you were to argue that the US knew about it, or set up the hi-jackers to do it, that is less possible to prove. And could work for you analogy.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:24:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:12:23 (#)
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I could go through those websites and bat back every single charge they make, but it wouldn't matter. You people will still only see what you want to see.
You all talk about 'common sense' and 'reason', yet you can't simply look at the raw footage of that day in high quality and see the buildings exploding violently before your eyes.
You won't touch building 7.
You won't adequately explain Larry Silverstein's words.
You won't show me a photograph of this supposed 20 ft. gash in the side of building 7 or explain why building 7 wasn't even part of the 9/11 Commission Report.
You won't explain to me why this building managed to collapse because of fire at almost freefall speed.
You won't ever account for the demolition squibs that can clearly be seen in the windows, or the classic crumple in the middle of the building indicating the central support columns had been removed by explosive demolition.
You won't address these things honestly because they're simply too painful for some of you, and for others, it is your JOB to vehemently deny them.
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http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
Picture of the damage? http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
What silversteen said? http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html
I really want you to concentrate on that picture. Tell me it is a fake. Tell me you don't see the damage. Tell me after that you really think that after that damage, after a huge fire with no water to fight it that the building would need help to fall.
The 9/11 commission won't touch it because it is common fucking sense that after something like that the building will fall.
You didn't see any squibs, the buliding was collapsing, and you expect nothing to fly off? You expect that preassure will blow not a single piece off? You aren't even worht having this conversation with because you can't understand high school level physics.
I am sure I will get a bonus for this seeing as how I work for the gov to discredit you. Actually my whole team will get a bonus, more bananas. See it isn't just an I, it is a we. And we aren't people all it takes is a team of traind monkeys to point out how flawed your arguments are.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:21:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:12:51 (#)
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Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:52:07 (#)
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I never thought you to be a rabble rouser, but here you are again. Interesting.
I believe that certian people on both sides of the spectrum can never be convinced if any truth alternate to the one they want to believe. Conspiracy theorists are just one aspect of that.
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I guess you are correct.
What a person fundamentally believes probably won't change much throughout their life.
Be it views on racism, politics, sport etc.
Sport is probably a pretty good analogy actually.
Get one Tettenham Hotspur supporter and one Arsenal supported, hook them up to a post and watch as the two of them SWEAR blind that their correct, they have all the facts, they know best etc and so on.
(for the states swap Tottenham and Arsenal with The Red Sox and their BITTEREST rivals)
Bottom line is at the end of the day the Tottenham supporter will still support Totenham and believe them to be the best team in the world and the Arsenal supporter will still believe that HIS team are the best in the world.
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I find this to be quite a good analogy...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:18:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:26:24 (#)
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The post wasn't aimed at promoting further discussion on who or how 9/11 happened.
It was aimed at highlighting that even loose change, often quoted on this site as a source of FACT, has it's doubters and that it, if taken and analysed, can be debunked.
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I don't disagree with this. You're absolutely right about not taking things as "fact" simply because some asshole says them. These things need to be checked up on.
But likewise, it is important to continue that philosophy to the so-called 'debunkers' and ask where their own facts are distorted and wonder why there are certain things, such as the need to release all the Pentagon videos to the public, they will avoid talking about.
All I'm asking for is fairness, and I don't see how any of you could argue that the 9/11 truth movement has gotten that. They/we have gotten nothing but ridicule and laughter at our very serious charges and questions. We get attacked personally and pushed around instead of having our actual questions accurately portrayed and addressed.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-08-16 12:12:23 EDT (#)
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I could go through those websites and bat back every single charge they make, but it wouldn't matter. You people will still only see what you want to see.
You all talk about 'common sense' and 'reason', yet you can't simply look at the raw footage of that day in high quality and see the buildings exploding violently before your eyes.
You won't touch building 7.
You won't adequately explain Larry Silverstein's words.
You won't show me a photograph of this supposed 20 ft. gash in the side of building 7 or explain why building 7 wasn't even part of the 9/11 Commission Report.
You won't explain to me why this building managed to collapse because of fire at almost freefall speed.
You won't ever account for the demolition squibs that can clearly be seen in the windows, or the classic crumple in the middle of the building indicating the central support columns had been removed by explosive demolition.
You won't address these things honestly because they're simply too painful for some of you, and for others, it is your JOB to vehemently deny them.
It's only a matter of time before everyone in this country sees it for what it truly was, and some heads will fucking roll.
Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:43:21 EDT (#)
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I watched it a few days ago.
Might have been yesterday actually.
Or Monday.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:36:04 EDT (#)
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SHEEEEEEEP
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:35:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:26:24 (#)
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The post wasn't aimed at promoting further discussion on who or how 9/11 happened.
It was aimed at highlighting that even loose change, often quoted on this site as a source of FACT, has it's doubters and that it, if taken and analysed, can be debunked.
Yes the video is weak, but the web pages I linked are interesting.
I'd encourage EVERYONE to read them with an open mind. Though I know there are a few people who frequent this site that will watch or read them thinking to themselves 'i'm gonna find fault with this...I know it is wrong...'
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Anyone who cites loose change as a fact is mildly retarted. They used to claim that rockets hit the WTC. the current version is filled with misleading statements, self serving eyewitnesses, half truths and outright lies,
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:33:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:59:03 (#)
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"People like me?"
Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I don't give a flying fuck about the who, what, or why of 9/11. I didn't five years ago. I sure as hell don't now. People die every day in this world, and just because some crazies flew planes into the WTC and killed several dozen (or hundred) people, is no reason for me to live MY life any differently, or care about people dying that I don't know just because they were US citizens.
As Beano said in an earlier post, terrorism runs amok in this world daily. What the hell gives USA citizens the attitude that they're entitled to make such a big deal about 9/11? As far as I'm concerned, it was a tragic terrorist attack, but no different than any other global incident.
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Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to +2 most one of ETS posts that say 9/11 was caused by the govt, you are one of his vocal supporters.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/91554#2093207
http://www.ubersite.com/m/87450#1962875
http://www.ubersite.com/m/85917#1904980
That would indicate to me that
1. You do give a flying fuck anout who did it, or you wouldn't comment on these posts (or at least you would give him that same "we will never know who did it" BS)
2. You believe him other wise you wouldn't be throwing out +2's.
YOU are making a big deal about it by commenting on this post. If it didn't matter stay away from the posts. If you don't think the govt did it why do you say "oh thanks ETS I will look at this informative video" when someone posts something supporting conspiracies but if anyone puts up anything questioning the idiotic conspiracy theories you give it a 0 or -2?
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 11:26:24 EDT (#)
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The post wasn't aimed at promoting further discussion on who or how 9/11 happened.
It was aimed at highlighting that even loose change, often quoted on this site as a source of FACT, has it's doubters and that it, if taken and analysed, can be debunked.
Yes the video is weak, but the web pages I linked are interesting.
I'd encourage EVERYONE to read them with an open mind. Though I know there are a few people who frequent this site that will watch or read them thinking to themselves 'i'm gonna find fault with this...I know it is wrong...'
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:59:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:44:36 (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
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Professional forensic scientists and law enforcement agents have presented mountains of evidence. There is no way that explosives brought down WTC.
You refuse to listen to it. No unclassified documents, no testimony nothing will convince people like you.
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"People like me?"
Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I don't give a flying fuck about the who, what, or why of 9/11. I didn't five years ago. I sure as hell don't now. People die every day in this world, and just because some crazies flew planes into the WTC and killed several dozen (or hundred) people, is no reason for me to live MY life any differently, or care about people dying that I don't know just because they were US citizens.
As Beano said in an earlier post, terrorism runs amok in this world daily. What the hell gives USA citizens the attitude that they're entitled to make such a big deal about 9/11? As far as I'm concerned, it was a tragic terrorist attack, but no different than any other global incident.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:44:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
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Professional forensic scientists and law enforcement agents have presented mountains of evidence. There is no way that explosives brought down WTC.
You refuse to listen to it. No unclassified documents, no testimony nothing will convince people like you.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:37:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:26:47 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:43:55 (#)
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And your video, I don't think it is that convincing as a rebuttal, too many jokes, which makes it interesting but not really much else. It isn't going to convice ETS and other retards out there what they believe is bullshit, but then again, what would. Loose change doesn't even deserve any kind of rebuttal, better just to write off the fraction of a percent of the western population who are fucktards and believe in conspiracy bullshit
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that's why there is never any 'official' rebuttal to these conspiracy theories, they feel it only gives them weight. they have faith in the logic and intelligence of their constituents to sort through the bullshit when they see it.
it's also why most scientests don't waste their time with disproving theories like the one about the wtc being rigged with explosives. they could, but it'd be a complete waste of time for them when they know just by watching the towers fall that it wasn't any sort of controlled demo.
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Kind of like going out of your way to prove the moon isn't actually made of cheese.
EVERYONE knows already it's not, the odd nut let out of the nut house may do but there is no need to rebutt these claims because they are so blatently inaccurate.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:36:14 EDT (#)
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YAWN!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:26:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:43:55 (#)
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And your video, I don't think it is that convincing as a rebuttal, too many jokes, which makes it interesting but not really much else. It isn't going to convice ETS and other retards out there what they believe is bullshit, but then again, what would. Loose change doesn't even deserve any kind of rebuttal, better just to write off the fraction of a percent of the western population who are fucktards and believe in conspiracy bullshit
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that's why there is never any 'official' rebuttal to these conspiracy theories, they feel it only gives them weight. they have faith in the logic and intelligence of their constituents to sort through the bullshit when they see it.
it's also why most scientests don't waste their time with disproving theories like the one about the wtc being rigged with explosives. they could, but it'd be a complete waste of time for them when they know just by watching the towers fall that it wasn't any sort of controlled demo.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:25:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:18:02 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:28:28 (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
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This is exactly the type of reaction that I expect from YOU.... Close you eyes and your mind to the fact that your government DIDN'T do 9/11.
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Learn to read. I did NOT say that our government was responsible. Really, I don't CARE if they are or not. All I said was that I am sick and tired of all the bitching and moaning about 9/11. Life's too short to worry about terrorism.
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Life's too short to worry about terrorism.
Well...it'll be even shorter too if people like you who support terrorist don't get off your backsides and do something about it!!
(at what point are you going to realise I'm pulling your todger?)
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:19:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:28:28 (#)
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(on a serious note, see  http://www.ubersite.com/m/91821 for pretty much what you said)
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and incidentally THAT was a much better post than this, one that I totally support.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:18:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:28:28 (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
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This is exactly the type of reaction that I expect from YOU.... Close you eyes and your mind to the fact that your government DIDN'T do 9/11.
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Learn to read. I did NOT say that our government was responsible. Really, I don't CARE if they are or not. All I said was that I am sick and tired of all the bitching and moaning about 9/11. Life's too short to worry about terrorism.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:14:03 EDT (#)
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that their correct
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Groan....!
That they are correct.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 10:12:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:52:07 (#)
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I never thought you to be a rabble rouser, but here you are again. Interesting.
I believe that certian people on both sides of the spectrum can never be convinced if any truth alternate to the one they want to believe. Conspiracy theorists are just one aspect of that.
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I guess you are correct.
What a person fundamentally believes probably won't change much throughout their life.
Be it views on racism, politics, sport etc.
Sport is probably a pretty good analogy actually.
Get one Tettenham Hotspur supporter and one Arsenal supported, hook them up to a post and watch as the two of them SWEAR blind that their correct, they have all the facts, they know best etc and so on.
(for the states swap Tottenham and Arsenal with The Red Sox and their BITTEREST rivals)
Bottom line is at the end of the day the Tottenham supporter will still support Totenham and believe them to be the best team in the world and the Arsenal supporter will still believe that HIS team are the best in the world.
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:52:07 EDT (#)
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I never thought you to be a rabble rouser, but here you are again. Interesting.
I believe that certian people on both sides of the spectrum can never be convinced if any truth alternate to the one they want to believe. Conspiracy theorists are just one aspect of that.
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:33:20 EDT (#)
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+2 because Beano is smarter than your average bear.
-2 because I am inexplicably tired of seeing posts about 9/11.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:28:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
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This is exactly the type of reaction that I expect from YOU.... Close you eyes and your mind to the fact that your government DIDN'T do 9/11.
Sheep.
(on a serious note, see  http://www.ubersite.com/m/91821 for pretty much what you said)
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:25:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MandaPanda (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:22:14 (#)
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That video was crap--not the original, mind you, but their rebuttal. It reminded me of a middle schooler: "Oh yea? PROVE IT!" It was stupid and nitpicky and to tell you the truth, I didn't watch all of it because it was so utterly boring. I thought it was going to be something entirely different and that it would present some evidence of the conspiracy being wrong. Instead, all it was was a bunch of snarky, stupid questions that didn't present the other side's case and made them look childish.
I could go either way on this issue, but seriously, that rebuttal was crap.
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Now I would argue that you could be talking about either of the videos.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:25:00 EDT (#)
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What Thorny said
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:23:15 EDT (#)
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The fact of the matter is that no one on Uber, not ONE person, can prove OR disprove that 9/11/01 was the result of domestic conspiracy. We will never really know unless the government declassifies and discloses new information, or a professional forensic scientist or law enforcement agent uncovers similar information.
NOW WILL EVERYONE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT 9/11 AND TERRORISM?!?
For Jehovah's sake...give it a REST, people. Terrorism happens all around the world, EVERY day, in multiple other countries. So the grand old US of A took a hit FIVE years ago, to some really purty tall buildings, and people still blabble on and on about it. It's OLD news. And I guarantee you that the rest of the globe has LONG since moved on. Pick yourselves up and do something productive.
Captain, out.
Submitted by MandaPanda (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:22:14 EDT (#)
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That video was crap--not the original, mind you, but their rebuttal. It reminded me of a middle schooler: "Oh yea? PROVE IT!" It was stupid and nitpicky and to tell you the truth, I didn't watch all of it because it was so utterly boring. I thought it was going to be something entirely different and that it would present some evidence of the conspiracy being wrong. Instead, all it was was a bunch of snarky, stupid questions that didn't present the other side's case and made them look childish.
I could go either way on this issue, but seriously, that rebuttal was crap.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:21:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:18:23 (#)
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This conspiracy shit is getting out of hand. People are quick to believe that the government is out to get them.
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I prefer the good old days when it was just the jews out to get everybody
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:18:23 EDT (#)
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This conspiracy shit is getting out of hand. People are quick to believe that the government is out to get them.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 09:17:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:26:40 (#)
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I did enjoy watching that video. And it made more sense than Loose Change ever did
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Nath...you really do live in a different dimension..... you watched that whole video in 2 mins??
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:56:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:51:13 (#)
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This is all the proof you'll ever need. It debunks ALL of "Loose Change" in three-and-a-half minutes, flat.
http://media.boredatwork.com/moosechange/
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I watched this a few days ago... FUCKING brilliant if you ask me. Far too simple for your average theorist though.
Nothing but nothing can be that simple, everything MUST have shenanigans in the background.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:55:31 EDT (#)
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I can't even view that fucking moose thing, if B@W is going to host it give direct links to the .mov file as an option
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:51:59 EDT (#)
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ETS will not agree with this.
I do though. If you break it down to common sense, it is too easy to see.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:51:13 EDT (#)
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This is all the proof you'll ever need. It debunks ALL of "Loose Change" in three-and-a-half minutes, flat.
http://media.boredatwork.com/moosechange/
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:44:35 EDT (#)
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You're watching it....??
I haven't got to threaten to go on hunger strike or hog the front page?
You're all just doing this to wind up ETS.
Isn't it?
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:43:55 EDT (#)
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And your video, I don't think it is that convincing as a rebuttal, too many jokes, which makes it interesting but not really much else. It isn't going to convice ETS and other retards out there what they believe is bullshit, but then again, what would. Loose change doesn't even deserve any kind of rebuttal, better just to write off the fraction of a percent of the western population who are fucktards and believe in conspiracy bullshit
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:37:38 EDT (#)
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"After september 11th president bush had and continues to have permission to do what he wants, all on the pretext of september 11"
"permission from whom? I know he has to ask Condi's permission to take a dump."
ahahahahahaha
Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2006-08-16 08:26:40 EDT (#)
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I did enjoy watching that video. And it made more sense than Loose Change ever did