Search me! (The SS, Big Brother, and the Future of Ubersite) (2341 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-09-01 04:38:46 EDT
Ok, are you guys ready for Big Brother on ubersite? You should be.
On Bart's now instantly classic and world famous 'SS' post, a few issues were brought to light that I think bear some revisiting by all of us who value the freedom of expression we obviously enjoy here on this website and on the internet in general.
First, on the issue of derivative and satirical works including copyrighted material, many seemed surprised that someone would have mentioned ubersite on the growingfamily.com website or contacted the Jesus-obsessed painter about possible copyright infringement.
It's important for those who don't know to be informed that anytime you link to a website from another website, that link can be directly tracked back by the latter site's reporting statistics. For example, if I leave a link here to http://www.fbi.gov, the administrators of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's website can clearly see that a link was posted from this exact webpage, and they will be able to, with one click, read this page's contents that linked to their information.
(Hello, FBI! *wave everyone*)
They can also see the IP addresses of those that visit their websites, just as much as Bart can see our IP addresses now, or at least the IP addresses of our ISP. While he may not know exactly where we are located, he can clearly see what region we are from, what city in most cases, and what ISP we use. From there it's a matter of narrowing it down to who has posted from that particular IP before.
dr_weazel said on bart's post: "Of course, whoever mentioned ubersite on that growingfamily site is a fucking retard."
What we need to understand is, no one had to mention ubersite at all on growingfamily.com. There were links from the uberboard directly to their website and inside method's posts, so it was really a matter of looking at their site reports to see where the links were located.
Even if a webmaster didn't have these reports at his disposal, all he has to do is go to http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en and about halfway down in their advanced search page is a tool for finding out all the websites that link to a certain page. Either that, or you can just type in "link:" in front of the url in google's regular search engine.
For instance, let's look at Method's "controversial" post about growingfamilies: http://ubersite.com/m/92137
Now let's take one of the links contained within this now infamous post and analyse it using google's advanced search, and we should see pretty much what growingfamily's administrators have seen, which is why Bart got the cease and desist order: http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp?URLID=7C0X1O2F8P
At the time of this post, google has yet to find Method's post with it's page crawler. (A page crawler is a bot that opens and scans webpages into the google database for future searches.) It takes time for the google bot to get around to 'discovering' our uber posts and scanning them, which is why our posts don't show up in google searches immediately, but in the next few days, if you were to conduct this same search again, it will be there plain as day, showing you where Method's post has linked directly to ALL THOSE PAGES in question. What do I mean by "ALL THOSE PAGES"? open Method's post and look at all the links in the reviews. All THOSE pages.
This should give you some idea what the growingfamily site administrators could see IMMEDIATELY. They would have known this page - http://ubersite.com/m/92137 - contained numerous links to their site right away. More specifically, they would have known exactly which babies' personal pages had been linked to.
This is the power of site reporting. This is why it's important in the future, if we're going to conduct our own unique brand of internet terrorism in good fun, we're going to have to take the "http" out of some of our links and use copy/paste instead.
It's either that or have our pictures removed by Bart, (WHICH I DON'T AGREE WITH AT ALL BY THE WAY).
What's at issue here is, Bart has been successfully intimidated by certain cogs in the machine where he should be fighting back. Removing Method's picture material - which constituted a constitutionally protected work of satire in my unprofessional assessment - was of course Bart's prerogative, but it was also a compromise of the relatively unfettered freedoms we've enjoyed on ubersite up till now. So what does this mean for the future?
Like I've stated before in previous posts, the protection of children and the witch hunt for those who offend the COPA act and other various acts, either current or planned, is going to slowly erode these freedoms of expression I have mentioned.
For more on this, read my post entitled: "MUST READ! The Child Online Protection Act and how it could end the internet as we know it, and why Bart could actually go to PRISON over it!" http://ubersite.com/m/85396
I warned you all back then that shit like this was coming. Of course, the current issue has little to do with the protection of children so far, but it's worth mentioning that in the Growingfamilies.com cease and desist order, they specifically went out of their way to state that method's derivative work and the comments on their site endorsed sexual acts with children. Those were their words they were intentionally entering into the public record so that if this went to court that language would indelibly be attached to any court case in the matter. That was their language and it indicates the kind of thing that will be at issue in the future.
Finally, let me move on to the issue of the infamous Secret Service visit...
Is it possible that some concerned citizen saw shitfuck's post and decided to turn him in to the Feds? Sure.
Is it possible that one of shitfuck's 'enemies' here on uber decided to rat him out as a sort of revenge, much the same way MANY people threatened to rat me out when I posted about ways our government was vulnerable? Yes.
But I'm not going to speculate too much on those possibilities. They are not nearly as interesting to me as a third, perhaps more sinister, possibility which is that the google ads now in place on this website, which, unlike the google bots, log events immediately and change ads according to the key text contained on a webpage. Look at gmail (google mail) and how it scans your emails for keywords, presenting appropriate and directed advertisements. Do you think this wealth of merchandising data is just being thrown away or just sitting on a shelf somewhere? This is the kind of information that people will pay millions for, yet, recently AOL made the blunder of releasing data about 650,000 people and their websearches available to everyone.
Here's the raw data: http://www.gregsadetsky.com/aol-data/
And this site will actually let you SEARCH through the AOL data: http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/
Just take a minute here and realize what you're looking at, folks... You're looking at the intimate searches of about 650,000 AOL search engine users.
That's right, they just took all that data, which contains more informaion about who you are than what you think, and posted it on the net for all to see, corporation, government, and individual alike!
Put it this way...have you ever ran a search for your own name or a member of your family out of curiousity? Have you ever planned a vacation or looked up directions using a search engine? Have you ever accidentally typed in your username or password or god forbid bank account number into a search engine in the toolbar instead of the address, username, or account bar? If so, you might as well change your name or your credit card number because it's now at risk.
To put the power of data mining into perspective, there are about 10 million google searches performed every minute worldwide. All that data is going somewhere. It is being assimilated, at least a sizeable portion of it, somewhere.
If you think to yourself "this isn't happening", let me remind you that the U.S. Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, has already said this practice is 'legal'. Bush thinks it's 'legal' and has admitted that data mining is taking place. It's been exposed that yahoo and msn were already cooperating with the government with respect to their search engine 'study' on child online protection. A U.S. Federal judge has already ordered that the search engines comply with the government's data mining studies. It's all documented stuff. I could give you 100 links here, but I'll let you do some of the legwork yourselves. It might get you in the habit. And besides, even if I gave you all the evidence 'in your face' style as always, many of you are still not gonna believe it till it's too late.
Just be careful if you're using a search engine to get what you want...you might end up like one of those 650,000 AOL users!
So what to do about all this? Search me!
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that if we don't start fighting back, we're gonna lose. It's that simple. We can't have Bart taking down every little thing that doesn't please some established website or religious zealot on the face of the planet, especially with ubersite's content, we'll be FUCKED.
I have two suggestions, one of which i've been saying for ages now... Uber is going to have to have a member fee. Why? So we can get rid of the Big Brother google and yahoo ads that now watch over our every move like a fucking argus.
Secondly, we're gonna have to be prepared to fight back in a court of law at some point. With the sheer amount of utterly offensive material on this website, it was realistically only a matter of time before this sort of thing became an issue. We're not exacly isolated here. Some of our individual posts have hundreds of thousands of hits all by themselves. Ubersite gets, I think, around 10 million hits in a slow month. We're not exactly the big guy, but we're not exactly the little guy either.
We've proven that we can raise a little money when we have to with the whole helphannah thing. I can forsee a time when we're going to have to decide to either help Bart fight some of this shit or sound the death knell on this grand social experiment.
Thanks for reading, as always.
On a lighter note, CaptainThorns and a bunch of us musicians will be offering you the first uber musical collaboration soon, so keep an eye out for that. I'll close out with an interesting poll from MSNBC I found tonight. It lifted my spirits a bit.
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:23:21 EST (#)
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pretty low even for you. rates highly on the bullshit word count scale though...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-07 02:25:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Refresh (user info) at 2006-09-07 00:09:39 (#)
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Wasted a dollar on uberboard for a shitty repost? tututututututut
http://www.electrictoothsyndrome.com/media/hahahahahahaha.htm
Lol the date says like 11/05.
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I didn't put that up on uberboard you fucking dipshit. And it's not a repost.
Submitted by Refresh (user info) at 2006-09-07 00:09:39 EDT (#)
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Wasted a dollar on uberboard for a shitty repost? tututututututut
http://www.electrictoothsyndrome.com/media/hahahahahahaha.htm
Lol the date says like 11/05.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-05 10:09:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-09-04 16:19:31 (#)
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I notice your inconspicuous likening of the US Secret Service to the Nazi SS. More transparent and less clever than you probably think.
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If you can't see the similarities you are one of the fucking sheep.
One group knocked on Barts door to find out if a death threat on the president should be considered serious and one group was largely responsible for killing 12 million people.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-09-04 16:19:31 EDT (#)
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I notice your inconspicuous likening of the US Secret Service to the Nazi SS. More transparent and less clever than you probably think.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-09-04 11:08:52 EDT (#)
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Yesterday will be the day that Brad Linzy always remembers as the day that Bart owned him.
This is too good...
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-09-03 23:29:11 EDT (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/v/5ZTSB5WuzX0
Submitted by dr_weazel (user info) at 2006-09-03 23:25:31 EDT (#)
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dr_weazel said on bart's post: "Of course, whoever mentioned ubersite on that growingfamily site is a fucking retard."
What we need to understand is, no one had to mention ubersite at all on growingfamily.com. There were links from the uberboard directly to their website and inside method's posts, so it was really a matter of looking at their site reports to see where the links were located.
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Well duhhhh... really? Thanks for sharing Mr. Internet.
I said that in relation to the retarded bitch who came onto Uber and started bleating about people leaving nasty comments about her kid. I HIGHLY DOUBT she would have had the smarts to trace the IP's of those who posted the comments, and unless either Bart, the Secret Service or the mods of Growingfamily.com actually gave her that information (which they wouldn't have if it was part of an ongoing investigation, which it would have been at the time) then she most likely got it from the dumbasses who posted shit like "Ubersite apporves of this comment" or whatever.
I'm well aware of how to track the IP addresses of those visiting your website, as I run 3 of them from work.
As for the rest of your post, I'm just going to assume it's your usual half-witted I-think-I-know-something-noone-else-does pile of conspiracy theory crap and ignore it.
Every single boring-ass piece of misinformationist bullshit that you post is either:
a) something that has been thought of by someone else many, many times before and either disproven conclusively by scientific method (although all you conspiracy nutters always refuse to accept that) or ignored as ridiculous.
or
b) So far-fetched it's fucking ludicrous and serves no purpose other than to prove your complete and utter lack of the capability for rational thought.
or
c) something no-one actually gives a flying fuck about.
-2DIE nut-job
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-09-03 21:53:32 EDT (#)
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Sweep Picking!
Hahahhahahhhaahahahhaa.
I've got some metalhead friends, after they smoke a joint they can spend hours debating who's better at appreggio, sweeps, tapping, etc.
I prefer getting my dick sucked.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-09-03 21:06:18 EDT (#)
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Your argument lacks even an elementary amount of thought. The article you linked says that "satire and parody" are protected speech and then goes on to describe an example case that deals exclusively with parody.
Do you know why they didn't cite a case that deals with satire? Because satire is not a form of Fair Use under copyright law.
Plus, satire is very different from parody which is very different from a derivative work. You can confuse things by saying "it's all gray", but the truth is that the gray area only applies to specific situations - not the general case - and that in this instance there is very clearly no gray.
Hypothetical fantasy world where you live:
Someone like Ansel Adams publishes a book of 100 original landscape photos and other shit that people pay $24.95 to have in a hard cover book sitting on their coffee table.
Me - Bart Cilfone - takes an exact copy of every photo in this book and at the bottom of every page writes clever captions like "I took a shit here" and "This one looks like it was taken by a four year old". I then publish this in book form and sell it for $9.95 or even give it away.
Are my actions legal?
Anyone applying half a second of rudimentary legal analysis to the situation would say "obviously no". In your imaginary world, this is "a gray area", not a derivative work, and would be protected by Fair Use as a satire.
Read a version of legal analysis that isn't on a website written by left wing conspiracy nuts:
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-a.html
Now go and find where the Fair Use clause exempts things that are satire. When you don't find it, let me know by coming back here and leaving a comment saying so.
The reason why satire is not considered Fair Use is that a satire does not necessarily depend on an original work of art and therefore requires no mention under the Fair Use clause. The copyright status of a satirical work is exactly the same as it would be if it were not a satire... that is to say that if the satire is a parody, it is ok, if it is a derivative work, it's not.
The Wizard of Oz is a satire based on no prior copyrighted material. Same goes for Gulliver's Travels. These are satires meaning that they mock some entity, usually hypocritical established giants, and use a lot of metaphors and linguistic tricks to make a political point.
These works are all ok under coyright law because they are all original works. There's no potential issue for copyright infringement because there's no original base work that was derived for either of these stories.
There are all sorts of gray areas in copyright law, mostly surrounding combinations of performance and publishing rights in relation to movies and music for things like mashups, remixes, sampling, aetc.
There is no gray area when it comes to adding funny captions to someone else's copyrighted photos.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:50:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:48:56 (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:38:07 (#)
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D.) Re: satire, I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I believe there are rules as per what you can do in a publically produced/available satirical work. To my knowledge, private individuals cannot be publically satirized be without their consent. Public icons, such as celebrities, politicians etc are different (again, to my knowledge).
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I'd say if a PUBLIC, COMMERCIAL website publishes the photographs of what many were calling "beautiful babies", a work of satire might consist of poking fun at such websites as well as the time-honored tradition of saying a baby is cute regardless what he/she looks like. This has been the source of (correction) PAST jokes as well, so there is also traditional comedic precedent to further support the claim of satirical work.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:48:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:38:07 (#)
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D.) Re: satire, I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I believe there are rules as per what you can do in a publically produced/available satirical work. To my knowledge, private individuals cannot be publically satirized be without their consent. Public icons, such as celebrities, politicians etc are different (again, to my knowledge).
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I'd say if a PUBLIC, COMMERCIAL website publishes the photographs of what many were calling "beautiful babies", a work of satire might consist of poking fun at such websites as well as the time-honored tradition of saying a baby is cute regardless what he/she looks like. This has been the source of post jokes as well, so there is also traditional comedic precedent to further support the claim of satirical work.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:40:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:28:04 (#)
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3) There is no "they". If there is, then I'm "they". More than me, it's you. Why haven't "they" found a cure for cancer? Because neither you or I have found one. Why don't "they" find an alternative source for energy other than oil from the Middle East? Because you're not trying hard enough.
Don't blame other people for the problems you see in the world. Unless you're actively trying to solve them yourself, your lack of action is as big a problem as there is.
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This gets better and better.
Dude...how is urging you not to take someone's shit when they push you around being 'inactive'? There is at least one perspective - the one I put forward here - that suggests that maybe it's YOU that was being inactive, aka passive, in not telling growingfamilies where to stick it.
I'm not being 'inactive' by trying to tell you I think you had a case.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:36:18 EDT (#)
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Again, Bart:
What they posted was SATIRE. The definition of satire and derivative work is a grey area in copyright law, and I'm sure there is legal precedent in both directions. Whether you want to see it or not, it wouldn't be for you to decide. That would be a court's decision.
As for the ads thing, tell me you don't see how that could be used to more quickly automate the fishing out of possible threats... It's right there! IF I type in KILL GEORGE BUSH on this page, the fucking thing can generate, immediately, an ad which might say "George Bush Printed Underwear".
Data is being sent containing certain key words. How is there not immediate spying capability in that?
By the way. My post had nothing to do with a 9/11 Comspiracy, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't go acting like one of these other dumb fucks I have to put up with on a daily basis. Thanks.
You wanna talk law, fine...let's talk law. But don't go acting like fucking jgreening in the process.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-03 20:24:52 EDT (#)
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Ok bart...
Satire is a centuries-old type of literature that uses humor and imitation to attack and ridicule individuals' moral and character flaws, such as vice, unfairness, stupidity or vanity.
A parody is also an attack on folly, but it takes the form of a contemptuous imitation of an existing artistic production — usually a serious work of literature, music, artwork or film — for satirical or humorous purposes.
Satire and parody have served for generations as a means of criticizing public figures, exposing political injustice, communicating social ideologies, and pursuing such artistic ends as literary criticism. Satirists usually find themselves subjected in turn to criticism, contempt and, sometimes, lawsuits.
The First Amendment protects satire and parody as a form of free speech and expression. Questions that have arisen in case law concerning libel, emotional distress and copyright infringement are discussed in the relevant cases below...http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/Speech/arts/topic.aspx?topic=parody_satire
There is also the issue of fair use. If you'd stop taking money for the ads for this website, just about anything we published here could be described as fair use since the definition of its publication would have changed to not-for-profit.
I'm pretty damned certain I'm right here.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:44:38 EDT (#)
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type the word "failure" in Google search
Are you all seeing what I'm seeing?!
Hahahahahaha!!!
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:33:10 EDT (#)
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that aol search thing is pretty scary.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:28:04 EDT (#)
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After reading the rest of the comments...
1) I can't believe that I agree with most everything that professorfuckface has said here as he seems to clearly "get it"
2) I never faced any lawsuit or even any threat of a lawsuit. The lawyers notified me of copyright infringement and I took down the offending materials. They also made some claims regarding things posted on their site and I reject any responsibility for that as that has no legal basis. While some of the comments on that site may have been funny, I still - as a moral human being - don't think it's funny to tell the parents of a newborn baby that you're going to rape their child. Sorry, maybe I'm losing my sense of humor.
Still, there's nothing I can do about the situation other than to discourage its promotion on Ubersite. Ultimately, the responsibility for moderating their site relies on them, not me, and they weren't prepared for the onslaught brought on by the comment-encouraging links from Ubersite. I sympathize with them, but at the same time, I have to wonder what they were expecting to happen when they require no authentication of any kind for people to anonymously post comments on children's pictures. The hope of "common decency" only goes so far and certainly not as far as Ubersite.
3) There is no "they". If there is, then I'm "they". More than me, it's you. Why haven't "they" found a cure for cancer? Because neither you or I have found one. Why don't "they" find an alternative source for energy other than oil from the Middle East? Because you're not trying hard enough.
Don't blame other people for the problems you see in the world. Unless you're actively trying to solve them yourself, your lack of action is as big a problem as there is.
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:19:57 EDT (#)
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100th review.
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:16:36 EDT (#)
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This Bart review makes this post an:
~OathMeal Approved Post~
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-09-03 19:04:44 EDT (#)
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This is the most idiotic ill informed commentary I've seen in some time. Considering that the events you're theorizing on are ones that actually happened to me, let me clairfy some things...
Copyright Law
You clearly don't know this and obviously didn't research it before criticizing me, but satire, parody, and derivative works are all different things. You sound like an idiot when you blur them together and the only people who will agree with you are others who are just as ignorant on the legal differences.
Of these three categories, only parody is allowed without permission from the original copyright holder. An example of a parody would be something like Weird Al Yankovic singing "Eat It" as a parody of Michael Jackson's "Beat It". The performance and lyrics are clear parodies of the originals. The music on the other hand is not a parody... in that regard, it's essentially a cover song. However, since publishing rights for recorded music fall under a compulsory license allowed by copyright law, one does not need explicit permission from the original songwriter to record a cover song, but the license still requires that the performer pay the songwriter for the use of their music.
But please, don't let these "facts" and "laws" interfere with your otherwise nonsensical point.
If you take a photo from another website and add a clever caption to it, that is not a parody, not a satire, and not an original work. That is a derivative work. In order for you to have rights to create a derivative work, you must have permission to use the original copyrighted work. It's a very simple structure which should be equally as simple to understand.
Controversial opinions and things that go against the viewpoints of the modern empowered establishment are not copyright infringement. Taking someone else's photographs and posting them in a public forum without their permission is copyright infringement.
As for the Secret Service thing, they were notified by someone who saw the original post. Someone read it, thought it sounded a little more psychotic than a normal anti-government rant, and then notified their threat desk about the post. Someone from there then read it to do some initial validation and then passed it on to an investigating agent. Those investigators then contacted various parties involved with it including my hosting company and me. What happened after that, I don't know.
As for them monitoring via the ad box, WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Anyone can freely hit any of the URLs on this site to view message text and then index that in their brain, computer, search engine, or whatever they want to do. Why would the Secret Service need to rely on some smoke-filled-back-room conspiracy with an ad publisher (which is Yahoo!, not Google) when they could just go to www.google.com , type in the search string "Kill George Bush", and find a link to Ubersite on the front page?
Of course, again, don't let the Real World Facts get involved with your baseless conspiracy theories. The truth of the matter is that the Secret Service was responsible for 9/11 and have been waiting for the perfect excuse to come into my house and - wait let me put on my magnetically charged iron helmet before typing the next line (TRUST ME: THEY CAN MONITOR THROUGH CONCRETE AND ALUMINUM FOIL!) - shutdown Ubersite because of the dangers posed by the antiestablishmental theories present here.
OH MY GOD, THERE IS A RABBIT OUTSIDE MY WINDOW!!!! The Secret Service has been spreading robotic cameras disguised as rabbits around the Midwest and I can tell this rabbit is a robot because of the way he is staring at me. SOMEONE GET THIS FUCKING RABBIT OUT OF MY YARD!!! GO TO HELL SECRET SERVICE!!!!
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2006-09-03 13:33:51 EDT (#)
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now... play the waiting game
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2006-09-03 13:33:36 EDT (#)
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dude - email me. I need to talk to you about what we talked about last week re: assisinating the president etc.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-09-03 13:12:20 EDT (#)
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i think you completely misunderstood the situation.
which, now that i think about it, doesn't really come as a surprise...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-02 23:59:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-09-02 21:30:00 (#)
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What's your email, ETS? I'm thinking of doing an Ubersite series/project I think you'd be interested in.
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electrictoothsyndrome.at.gmail.com
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-02 21:52:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:24:42 (#)
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Winning a ticket into "the club" is exclusive unless you're not bothered by being a soulless fuckface whose only ends are money and power. In that case, you're absolutely right, it's not exclusive.
No, give me a seat OUTSIDE the club that I might lob rockets at it and watch the fucker consume itself in flames.
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Welcome to the "club" Brad,
Enjoy your AC, health insurance (free or available), chance at an education (missed), career (missed), internet, cable TV, brainless job, and all the other priveleges that come with being born "any class above poverty"* class in the western world.
PS Please really enjoy your right to bitch while in the club.
*some western countries may offer more or less depending on taxes see local chapter president for details.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-09-02 21:30:00 EDT (#)
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What's your email, ETS? I'm thinking of doing an Ubersite series/project I think you'd be interested in.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-09-02 02:46:32 EDT (#)
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ETS,
I know that what I'm about to say is going to be hated by the majority of your loyal fans, ya know, by all three of us; but I believe I may have something here.
I think I've figured out how to win in Iraq. At least, militarily. I would like you to pick it apart. Now, I'm not too sure how much of a tactician you are, maybe all your brain is good for is coming up with conspiracy theories and death threats, but I need someone to tell me I'm wrong. and explain it to me.
Please, dear god tell me I'm wrong. Because if I'm right, it's going to be a wholesale slaughter.
I'll post it soon.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-09-01 21:58:03 EDT (#)
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Meh, at best.
I still say you were whacking off when you saw that post desperately hoping you were the next target so you could climax screaming "I TOLD YOU ALL".
I feel dirty now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:27:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:16:23 (#)
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Typical Zionist response from Razor.
You can't fool me, buddy, I'm onto you. You're a government spy funded by Israel trying to undermine any dissenting opinions.
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Give us your Jew gold, Jeremy!
I know you keep Jew gold around your neck! Give it to me!
Submitted by WingedFoote (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:26:15 EDT (#)
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ets, the vast majority of the time, I hate everything you have to say. but this was well-thought out, logical, and seemed to pull statistics, facts, and figures from real sources. I know my opinion means little to you, but fantastic. fan-fucking-tastic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:24:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:20:10 (#)
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Are there people who are more powerful than others?
Yes.
Do they have a vested interest in keeping things that way?
Duh.
Is it an exclusive club?
Almost uniquely in the span of human history, actually no, it's not.
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This is the crossroads right here...
Winning a ticket into "the club" is exclusive unless you're not bothered by being a soulless fuckface whose only ends are money and power. In that case, you're absolutely right, it's not exclusive.
No, give me a seat OUTSIDE the club that I might lob rockets at it and watch the fucker consume itself in flames.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:15:09 EDT (#)
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I want to take this opportunity to say that I suck at sweep-picking, but I am good at legato, hybrid (alternate) picking, and fingerpicking. I'll demonstrate sometime.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:08:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2006-09-01 08:02:52 (#)
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"Bart has been successfully intimidated by certain cogs in the machine where he should be fighting back"
I don't think Bart has the time to "fight back," and I don't really think he has a reason to. It's also illegal to shout, "Fire," in a crowded theatre (unless an actual fire exists). While I agree that the growingfamily.com stuff is protected as a satire/parody, I can't imagine a single jury in the U.S. dismissing a case based on it being a satire when you have comments like, "I want to fuck your dead baby's corpse" all over that site, thanks to some of us. I don't want to fuck babies (even dead ones), but I thought it was funny. However, I am in the minority.
Hurting feelings isn't illegal, but once your use your constitutional rights to give someone else the impression that you're limiting or hurting their rights (making parents think twice about posting baby pictures/information), then there has to be some middle ground.
Uber always has been and will remain a bastion of free thinking, writing, and opinion. The site isn't going anywhere, and neither are all you assholes.
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Exibit A: The Aristocrats. Heard that joke? Seen that film? Nothing but taboo, and it's perfectly legal, as it should be.
The bottom line for growingfamilies is that they should have moderated their site more closely. It is THEY who made the mistake of thinking they could create such a site and it wouldn't be abused. While I didn't participate personally in the whole kaboodle, it's no secret that uberusers are pretty immature acting, vile, and inconsiderate much of the time. That is at once the repulse and the allure of this place. Put simply, it is a place where free speech on the internet has always been taken to the extreme, where people can congregate who are like-minded sickos. That's what I like about it.
But if you think "uber always has been and will remain a bastion" of freedom of speech, then I think you're taking something for granted that history has shown should NEVER be taken for granted and must be steadfastly maintained lest it gets slowly eroded.
Freedom is like pruning a flower bed. It's an unending task.
Bart seems like a gent that has a mind for making a positive mark on the world and I commend him for that, but I think he missed an opportunity here to give the forces of abridgement two fingers.
Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:07:35 EDT (#)
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*whistles circus music*
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 15:06:34 EDT (#)
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My name is Eric D. Rice of West Virginia, asshole
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 14:52:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:14:31 (#)
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I don't even know if what I said has anything to do with this post.
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No, it has everything to do with this post. The people who control this world operate in groups. Call 'em whatever you will: groups, secret societies, think tanks... What you cannot call them is 'open to the general public'.
Just as there is no "I" in a baseball team, there is no "I" in such groups. They only think of the betterment of the group. They think of the long term, the spam of time that extends beyond individual lives. Behind it all is this deep-rooted, for lack of a better comparison, JOCK mentality. Win at all costs. It's all about power and prestige. It's about climbing that pyramid on the back of your one dollar bill and seeing all the world...being all powerful...all knowing...being God.
I suggest for everyone that we stop buying the bullshit they've trained us to covet and start saving our money. Gold or platinum (if you can afford it) is a good place to put it for now, but LAND is ultimeatly the best place.
And yes, George, you'd be far better off if you got the fuck out of New York, I have to say. Badassmofo has the right idea. He's bought himself a place in the Kentucky woods and he will be able to live about as cheaply as one can in the modern world. Sure he might have to run his own fiber out there to get decent internet access, but there is good logic in his choice. He's got a small girl and he's getting her the fuck away from the bullshit.
I made a post not long ago where I posted how much money I earn and how much my cost of living is, and I don't struggle.
Let me put this in perspective a bit... There was a two bedroom house with a basement in my hometown that was auctioned off for $19,000 the other day. Hardwood floors throughout. Basement. Two bedrooms. Not the finest digs in the world, but a place to live. A similar house sitting in a bigger city somewhere would cost you $1500 a month in rent. What's the difference? Well, the difference is, one might be near the center of the universe, and one might be someplace no one has ever heard of. you might not be able to walk down the street, hop on a subway, and be at a club with hot anorexic chicks all trying to impress you and tease you with their flat tummies and good dancing skills.
Give me the very EDGE of the universe! That's where I want to live! I'd rather move to fucking Alaska than live in a city like New York. Don't get me wrong, such places I'm sure seem great when you were born there, all your friends are there, etc. But it's retarded to keep trying to live there when it's simply beyond one's means. Plus, there is the small consideration that our governments are trying to blow us up on a semi-regular basis, and they seem to like picking big cities to do it.
Submitted by choir (user info) at 2006-09-01 14:36:12 EDT (#)
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I get that a lot. It's ok.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 14:33:50 EDT (#)
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I have no idea what you just said = (
Submitted by choir (user info) at 2006-09-01 14:25:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:36:07 (#)
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Note: "The rest are white trash redneck hicks who don't have half a brain amongst themselves." is a sweeping generalization and not to be taken literally.
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Sweeping generalizations are definetely more damaging than alternate-picked generalizations
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:49:45 EDT (#)
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Well, I'm not too fond of some of the logic used here, but I have to say, Bradley is right on this one.
We really do need to get rid of the intrusiveness of these ads, and if I have to pay money for it, I am glad to do so.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:36:07 EDT (#)
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Note: "The rest are white trash redneck hicks who don't have half a brain amongst themselves." is a sweeping generalization and not to be taken literally.
Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:33:53 EDT (#)
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ETS = Like Shitfuck said, we want to come visit.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:33:27 EDT (#)
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Or I might just move the fuck out of NY.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:27:22 EDT (#)
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Instead of paying 1000 dollars a month in rent, why don't I find a few friends, pool our money, and buy a house? It would end up to be the same amount of money, but we would actually own something in the end. Granted, it would only be, let's say 1/4 of the house, but it's STILL something.
Why don't a lot more people do this? Greed. We've been raised and conditioned to value our material possessions more than anything else in this world. Hell, it's even part of human nature.
Why don't I do it? I'm actually planning on it. Pooling my resources with a few friends that I trust with my life, and doing it. Buying a house in NY requires at least $700,000 to a million dollars for something decent. Try doing that on your own. The monthly mortgage on houses in NY are about 2400 to 3000, not to mention repairs, taxes, etc. Condominiums are over $300,000, not including maintenance fees.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:21:57 EDT (#)
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As for my real response:
Of course it's possible to tighten your belt and change things. How many people actually do it, though? As individuals, it's totally possible to turn your situation around.
Let's say I do as you suggest. Hell, let's say a million people do as I suggest. That's still less than 1% of the American population. The rest are white trash redneck hicks who don't have half a brain amongst themselves. You're giving the American people waaaay too much credit. The majority of people in this country, i.e. caucasians, are too stupid to change their situations, and are quite happy in their current situation.
Eat, sleep, fuck, shit, take a shower once in a while.
Do you want to know who survives in this country? People with a collective mentality. Jews and Orientals. I'm not being racist, they just work and live as a collective, and do a whole hell of a lot better than people who are selfish and lazy and live for the moment, which is 99% of the US population. "They" know this, and they use it against us.
Whoever dies with the most toys wins, right?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 13:16:23 EDT (#)
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Typical Zionist response from Razor.
You can't fool me, buddy, I'm onto you. You're a government spy funded by Israel trying to undermine any dissenting opinions.
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:47:20 EDT (#)
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You make a persuasive arguement, Fry!
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:42:44 EDT (#)
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mildly entertaining
PS: MIKE FROM THE FBI LIKES THE GHEY BUTTSECS, OH AND STEVE AND BOB ARE A BUNCH OF HOMO'S TOO.
PPS: JOHN FROM THE FBI COULDN'T PUNCH HIS WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG, WITH SCISSORS IN HIS HANDS
YOU KNOW I'M TALKING TO YOU NANCY BOY
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:26:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:01:28 (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:58:34 (#)
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man you are fucking stupid, sweep picking isn't alternate picking, and there is no sweep picking in your faggot assed guitar solo
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Hey would you calm the fuck down? Christ. It's a guitar term, not your tax return, dickhead.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:20:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:13:25 (#)
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People don't realize that they're taking away our freedoms away one TIIINY little piece at a time. It's so gradual, no one notices it. That's where they have the advantage. While we're stuck in our own little self centered worlds, conditioned to worry about the here and now, they have the luxury of spanning this over many generations and many administrations. They are looking at the big picture, while we're basically stuck wondering how we're going to get through the next few weeks, and what we're going to buy.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people I know live paycheck to paycheck. Tell me, how many of you live according to when you get paid? I know I live in two week increments. Yes, I'm a broke fuck. Yes, they basically control my life by doling out my money a little bit at a time, forcing me to focus on the very near future, effectively putting blinders on me. I'm constantly chasing my tail, paying off taxes that I owe, credit card bills, etc.
A system has been put in place to control us without us knowing it. This materialistic world is given to us for a reason. It distracts us from the wizard behind the curtain. It uses human nature and our basic drive for survival and greed against us. When it comes to deciding between making it through the next few weeks, or months or years, or having to worry about these guys ROYALLY fucking us in the next 20, 50, or even 100 years, what do you think people choose?
"Hey, it's not my problem, I'll be dead by then"
That's what they're counting on. They have a larger plan in mind. They can afford to wait. We, as animals, can't or just don't want to. We're selfish.
Think of it this way. Have you ever had a friend that you haven't seen in a looong while, let's say 2 years, and one day you come across them on the street, and you immediately notice something different about them? Let's say they gained 20 pounds. YOU notice it right away, because you haven't seen them in a while. Someone who sees them every day wouldn't have noticed a goddamm thing, because it was so gradual. That's what's going on here.
I have no idea if anything I said here makes any sense.
Basically, we're fucked.
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I'm sorry, but someone had to come out and call this idiotic.
Who controls your life by doling out your money a little at a time? "They"?
Aren't you trying to get a business going? A business, in fact, in an industry that is certainly not a "neccessity" industry... a business dealing in luxuries?
Would that make you "they"?
If you're living paycheck to paycheck, tighten your belt and save foolio.
That "A system has been put in place without us knowing it" stuff is just bullshit... I mean c'mon George, don't you think this might be a case of you lashing out in the face of how difficult it is to make it in this world?
Be glad you weren't a 13th century Russian peasant, or be fuck off glad that you weren't born in some place like Rwanda today. THOSE people are trapped without control, THOSE people are fucked by the system.
Are there people who are more powerful than others?
Yes.
Do they have a vested interest in keeping things that way?
Duh.
Is it an exclusive club?
Almost uniquely in the span of human history, actually no, it's not.
There's no gun to your head forcing you to buy Nikes or cellphones... just people trying to make money who put out ads that make you want the stuff.
Submitted by Ejryuu (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:18:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm not sure if I should've clicked on this post expecting to be (a) entertained or (b) informed, but regardless, it was quality.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:12:27 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 12:10:08 EDT (#)
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Say what you will about ETS, he certainly is keeping the spirit of PT Barnum alive.
I can't wait for his post exposing the dark secrets of the Egress.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:58:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:48:07 (#)
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omg,
ha ha at the sweep picking "debate". you guys are too funny.
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I just read through that as well and laughed my ass off.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:55:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:58:21 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:09:55 (#)
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Like I conveyed in the post... There comes a time when we must all weigh our options and choose our battles. To paraphrase the Constitution, the freedoms endowed to us by our Creator are inalienable, and must be fought for.
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I thought your battle was to not pay your taxes, but wait a second, you did pay your taxes, doesn't that make you full of shit?
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He wrote 'PAID UNDER DURESS' in very bold ink across the bottom of his check and moistened the stamp with the sweat of his balls.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:49:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:42:41 (#)
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the issue was they were against copyright law, what the fuck are you talking about
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Mark your calendars. I actually agree with pff and I'm glad someone is paying attention to the real issue at hand.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:48:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:13:25 (#)
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People don't realize that they're taking away our freedoms away one TIIINY little piece at a time. It's so gradual, no one notices it. That's where they have the advantage. While we're stuck in our own little self centered worlds, conditioned to worry about the here and now, they have the luxury of spanning this over many generations and many administrations. They are looking at the big picture, while we're basically stuck wondering how we're going to get through the next few weeks, and what we're going to buy.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people I know live paycheck to paycheck. Tell me, how many of you live according to when you get paid? I know I live in two week increments. Yes, I'm a broke fuck. Yes, they basically control my life by doling out my money a little bit at a time, forcing me to focus on the very near future, effectively putting blinders on me. I'm constantly chasing my tail, paying off taxes that I owe, credit card bills, etc.
A system has been put in place to control us without us knowing it. This materialistic world is given to us for a reason. It distracts us from the wizard behind the curtain. It uses human nature and our basic drive for survival and greed against us. When it comes to deciding between making it through the next few weeks, or months or years, or having to worry about these guys ROYALLY fucking us in the next 20, 50, or even 100 years, what do you think people choose?
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Oh I see. It's THEM, huh? THE SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with your own greed, wanting to buy all the big and shinies you can. And I'm not singling you out, I've done the same thing.
But fuck off, man. Anyone can get out of debt if they buckle down and stop fucking around.
It's called a budget.
It blows, believe me, because I've done it, but it CAN be done.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:40:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:30:21 (#)
Ranking: 2
the problem i have with things like this is the 'they'.
Who are the 'they'?
I find it hard to believe that generations of 'they' manage things like this. Unless they are immortals.
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Them, maaaaaan, you know, like, the shadow government, the illuminati, the secret society,....you know...THEM!
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:40:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:29:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:22:47 (#)
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you sound like someone who really needs attention
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Oh come on, Caul.
I thought we were past this shit. If you wanna talk about the actual issue, fine, let's talk about it. If you wanna act like a little prick and attakc me personally for the 50 millionth time, go right ahead, but I ain't payin' no more attention to ya.
Besides, I don't really think you have much room to talk.
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Certainly not with a dick in his mouth.
*rimshot*
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:38:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Slow down there, Che Guevara. I'm with ya, but let's clarify a point or two.
A.) It's not the secret service, or the FBI, or George Bush that's asking Bart to cease and desist on these baby raping posts. It's some lawyers working for growingfamily.com; a privately owned website.
B.) These lawyers aren't challenging our freedom of speech. They're challenging our right to make unauthorized copies of private or copyrighted material.
C.) Unless I greatly misunderstand their intentions, Method and the rest of them didn't create these posts in an attempt to overthrow the government, make a grand social statement, or partake in some form of 'internet terrorism'. It was a prank.
D.) Re: satire, I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I believe there are rules as per what you can do in a publically produced/available satirical work. To my knowledge, private individuals cannot be publically satirized be without their consent. Public icons, such as celebrities, politicians etc are different (again, to my knowledge).
D.) As you said, data mining is irrelevant to the growingfamily.com thing. I run two websites, and as you said, you can track just about anything, including who visited you and from where.
E.) Data Mining's probably not terribly relevant to the shitfuck thing either. I'm sure there are interns who work day and night scouring the internet for the phrase 'kill george bush' (FBI, SS et all, please note this is said in context.) It gives the SS something to do; it probably gets boring letting W win at GTA.
F.) I'll agree with shitfuck that the world would be a better place with Bush, Cheney, or pretty much anyone in DC. All the same, he knew what he may have been getting into when he made that post. And I doubt the SS will be very active in hunting him down.
That said, what is it you suggest uber users do?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:37:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:03:35 (#)
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Bart, you need to seriously join the ACLU right fucking now!
http://action.aclu.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FJ_donationhome
$20 and you'll be a card-carrying member. They have lawyers that might help with any rights infringement cases. It's worth it.
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FUCK you, man. If there's one thing Bart can be more proud of than the monstrosity that is Ubersite, it is his impartiality on many issues. UNless I missed it, he has neevr sawyed to any extremes of left or right.
I know he'll never join my side,* but I pray he never joins yours.
*Yet with every dollar that increases his own net worth he comes closer and closer to seeing the truths of the conservative right and protecting what he has worked so hard to earn. Admit it Bart! Admit it! Ahahaha! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Submitted by HighVoltage900 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:32:35 EDT (#)
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I can't believe I am going to say this. But I completely agree with you ETS. About everything you have said.
First off the filename was funny.
Second off we need to rally behind bart and help him save Ubersite. it's too important to too many to just let die.
Third off, penis.
I would be willing to pay a small fee.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-09-01 11:30:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:13:25 (#)
Ranking: 2
People don't realize that they're taking away our freedoms away one TIIINY little piece at a time. It's so gradual, no one notices it. That's where they have the advantage. While we're stuck in our own little self centered worlds, conditioned to worry about the here and now, they have the luxury of spanning this over many generations and many administrations. They are looking at the big picture, while we're basically stuck wondering how we're going to get through the next few weeks, and what we're going to buy.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people I know live paycheck to paycheck. Tell me, how many of you live according to when you get paid? I know I live in two week increments. Yes, I'm a broke fuck. Yes, they basically control my life by doling out my money a little bit at a time, forcing me to focus on the very near future, effectively putting blinders on me. I'm constantly chasing my tail, paying off taxes that I owe, credit card bills, etc.
A system has been put in place to control us without us knowing it. This materialistic world is given to us for a reason. It distracts us from the wizard behind the curtain. It uses human nature and our basic drive for survival and greed against us. When it comes to deciding between making it through the next few weeks, or months or years, or having to worry about these guys ROYALLY fucking us in the next 20, 50, or even 100 years, what do you think people choose?
"Hey, it's not my problem, I'll be dead by then"
That's what they're counting on. They have a larger plan in mind. They can afford to wait. We, as animals, can't or just don't want to. We're selfish.
Think of it this way. Have you ever had a friend that you haven't seen in a looong while, let's say 2 years, and one day you come across them on the street, and you immediately notice something different about them? Let's say they gained 20 pounds. YOU notice it right away, because you haven't seen them in a while. Someone who sees them every day wouldn't have noticed a goddamm thing, because it was so gradual. That's what's going on here.
I have no idea if anything I said here makes any sense.
Basically, we're fucked. ""
the problem i have with things like this is the 'they'.
Who are the 'they'?
I find it hard to believe that generations of 'they' manage things like this. Unless they are immortals.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:55:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
When growingfamily.com re-routed the traffic from ubersite to be directed to the FBI site he probably shit his pants.
"OH fuck! Oh fuck! Oh fuck!" ETS shouted from his room, which was illuminated only by that of a glowing monitor.
ETS would proceed to yank out his removable hard drive tray and toss it into a small bin. He then threw on a specialized container made with thermite that fit exactly over the top of the bin.
Lighting the fuse, ETS then put in a clean hard drive and wiped the sweat from his forehead.
Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:48:07 EDT (#)
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omg,
ha ha at the sweep picking "debate". you guys are too funny.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:32:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
If you believe the numbers on the polls at MSNBC, you are smoking crack.
Do you know there are blogs that link to those kind of things to get their users to pump up those numbers? It happens also. You'd figure as a conspiracy theory nut that you would have known this already!
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:16:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
http://www.ubersite.com/m/92521#2124967
saved me from having to say it
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:09:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
from that same article:
"the pick hand performs a single broad stroke all the way down and/or all the way up, much akin to the strumming of a chord. "
good lord just admit it, you're wrong
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:04:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
By the way, here's some tab of a sweep picking example:
E-------12-17-12-------
B-----13---------13----
G---14-------------14--
D----------------------
A----------------------
E----------------------
There are MANY instances of this sort of technique throughout that solo.
You two are musically fucking ignorant. You call yourself Death Metal Dude? Get real. Get a lesson. Get out of here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweep_picking
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:01:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
lmao why would they call it sweep picking if there was no sweeping motion you ridiculous faggot, you're wrong period
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:01:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:58:34 (#)
Ranking: 0
man you are fucking stupid, sweep picking isn't alternate picking, and there is no sweep picking in your faggot assed guitar solo
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Hey would you calm the fuck down? Christ. It's a guitar term, not your tax return, dickhead.
And still. I'm a better guitarist than you'll ever be so can it, mmkay?
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2006-09-01 10:00:25 EDT (#)
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Shameless, possibly relevant linkwhore....
http://www.ubersite.com/m/92522
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:58:34 EDT (#)
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man you are fucking stupid, sweep picking isn't alternate picking, and there is no sweep picking in your faggot assed guitar solo
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:58:32 EDT (#)
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I'm really at a loss of words for all this. Nice post, Brad.
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:49:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:45:38 (#)
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there wasn't any sweeping in that
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Perhaps you should bone up on your terminology there, kiddo.
Sweep picking is synonymous with alternate picking, meaning you use both the up and downstrokes of the picking to strike the strings.
It's all THROUGH that youtube link.
Now ...
You may be confusing sweep picking with sweep arapeggios, which wouldn't surprise me.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:45:38 EDT (#)
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there wasn't any sweeping in that
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:29:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:10:10 (#)
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I bet your sweep picking sucks ass
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Why don't you judge for yourself, pusslungs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eLAyCM5BhI
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:17:10 EDT (#)
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Nice post.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:11:38 EDT (#)
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I'm scared really scared always.
I don't know if that is just good ol fashioned pussy ass paranoia
or if the government had something to do with it
or if my mommy didn't show me enough attention as a child
or if my penis isn't big enough or if socioeconomically I am in a shit ass demographic that constantly gets shit on
or if my girlfriend puts scary powder in my mouth while I sleep
or if my balls ar too cold or smelly
maybe it's all of these things maybe it's none. I'm just a guy that wants to be happy and not fuck with anybody lest I be fucked with and go about my buisness of gay happy crap. Is gay happy crap too much to ask for these days?
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:10:10 EDT (#)
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I bet your sweep picking sucks ass
Submitted by UnderOathMeal (user info) at 2006-09-01 09:00:03 EDT (#)
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Nice observations, Brad.
Nice here means 'thought-out and accurate', by the way. More than I can say about some of your previous offerings.
And I look forward to the end product of UberMusic (show of hands).
My talk box is coming out and all shall bow to my sweep picking skills.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-09-01 08:53:16 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-09-01 08:08:50 EDT (#)
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By your interpretation of free speech, slander and libel don't exist. In a sense, that is what every tasteless comment left on those guestbooks questioning those children's lineage was.
Free speech means you can say what you please. It doesn't mean there are NO consequences.
Submitted by JMG114 (user info) at 2006-09-01 08:02:52 EDT (#)
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"Bart has been successfully intimidated by certain cogs in the machine where he should be fighting back"
I don't think Bart has the time to "fight back," and I don't really think he has a reason to. It's also illegal to shout, "Fire," in a crowded theatre (unless an actual fire exists). While I agree that the growingfamily.com stuff is protected as a satire/parody, I can't imagine a single jury in the U.S. dismissing a case based on it being a satire when you have comments like, "I want to fuck your dead baby's corpse" all over that site, thanks to some of us. I don't want to fuck babies (even dead ones), but I thought it was funny. However, I am in the minority.
Hurting feelings isn't illegal, but once your use your constitutional rights to give someone else the impression that you're limiting or hurting their rights (making parents think twice about posting baby pictures/information), then there has to be some middle ground.
Uber always has been and will remain a bastion of free thinking, writing, and opinion. The site isn't going anywhere, and neither are all you assholes.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:58:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:09:55 (#)
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Like I conveyed in the post... There comes a time when we must all weigh our options and choose our battles. To paraphrase the Constitution, the freedoms endowed to us by our Creator are inalienable, and must be fought for.
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I thought your battle was to not pay your taxes, but wait a second, you did pay your taxes, doesn't that make you full of shit?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:56:38 EDT (#)
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Ok I really am not looking to get into some great debate here this morning, apparently my wife is about to pop and I may run off to the hospital any moment.
That said.
I read your whole peice here ETS and I have to say that I don't think you've ever sounded more like a politician on any other post you've ever made her.
I read and read and read looking for some sort of enlightening points but all you said was:
-email and the internet are not private
-I don't like that they are not private and neither should you
-I don't have any plans or ideas about what to do about this.
Not one single point did you make that wasn't already known, not one thing you said was any sort of revolutionary discovery.
This is why I have a hard time getting behind you on things, even when I agree, because sometimes you just put this stuff together to grandstand.
Now listen, I'm not going to call you and idiot and I'm not going to argue with you, I think you know my stance when it comes to reading your posts.
The right to privacy over the net, privacy via email...we never had so I don't see where we can start fighting to 'take it back'.
For all the energy you pour into these things, why not pick a topic and pour that energy into finding a solution or brainstorming ideas?
You say what your are 'doing' is enlightening but none of this stuff is a secret so all you're really doing is complaining just like the guy who bitches about the office coffee or complains when he gets a ticket for speeding.
I'm sure I have more things to say but I have work today and the prospect of a happy day ahead of me.
Peace.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:44:05 EDT (#)
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I personally, would have responded to their request utilizing the phrase 'fuck the fucking fuck off'
But I think you're getting a little too hyper about this, this sorta thing happens all the time, its not destroyingfree speech cos anyone who knows just tells them to get lost.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:38:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:33:38 (#)
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At the end of the day, Methods post was shit and in poor taste.
If anyone wants to rally up around a good cause for our freedom there has got to be something better than sticking up for method and his bunch off ass licking friends' right to talk about raping babies.
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You're an astute one, aren't you? Of course it was shit and in poor taste, Captain Obvious. That's not the point. You can't see the forest for the trees.
"The men who had hated [the book], and had not particularly loved Helvétius, flocked round him now. Voltaire forgave him all injuries, intentional or unintentional. `What a fuss about an omelette!' he had exclaimed when he heard of the burning. How abominably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that! `I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now."
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:17:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:13:25 (#)
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I have no idea if anything I said here makes any sense.
Basically, we're fucked.
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ETS is gonna come in his pants after reading this.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:14:31 EDT (#)
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I don't even know if what I said has anything to do with this post.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:13:25 EDT (#)
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People don't realize that they're taking away our freedoms away one TIIINY little piece at a time. It's so gradual, no one notices it. That's where they have the advantage. While we're stuck in our own little self centered worlds, conditioned to worry about the here and now, they have the luxury of spanning this over many generations and many administrations. They are looking at the big picture, while we're basically stuck wondering how we're going to get through the next few weeks, and what we're going to buy.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people I know live paycheck to paycheck. Tell me, how many of you live according to when you get paid? I know I live in two week increments. Yes, I'm a broke fuck. Yes, they basically control my life by doling out my money a little bit at a time, forcing me to focus on the very near future, effectively putting blinders on me. I'm constantly chasing my tail, paying off taxes that I owe, credit card bills, etc.
A system has been put in place to control us without us knowing it. This materialistic world is given to us for a reason. It distracts us from the wizard behind the curtain. It uses human nature and our basic drive for survival and greed against us. When it comes to deciding between making it through the next few weeks, or months or years, or having to worry about these guys ROYALLY fucking us in the next 20, 50, or even 100 years, what do you think people choose?
"Hey, it's not my problem, I'll be dead by then"
That's what they're counting on. They have a larger plan in mind. They can afford to wait. We, as animals, can't or just don't want to. We're selfish.
Think of it this way. Have you ever had a friend that you haven't seen in a looong while, let's say 2 years, and one day you come across them on the street, and you immediately notice something different about them? Let's say they gained 20 pounds. YOU notice it right away, because you haven't seen them in a while. Someone who sees them every day wouldn't have noticed a goddamm thing, because it was so gradual. That's what's going on here.
I have no idea if anything I said here makes any sense.
Basically, we're fucked.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-01 07:11:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2006-08-31 12:23:25 (#)
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No, the Secret Service is not monitoring this site. They are actually pretty busy doing stuff and they get all kinds of reports from regular citizens about various potentially illegal things. They do their own analysis first and then investigate things that meet certain thresholds, just like pretty much any other police type of force. That means that somebody saw that post, thought it was serious enough to warrant an email to the SS, and they thought it was serious enough to come talk to me.
This is not a free speech issue. Freedom of speech does not give you freedom from liability from the damage your words cause. Political dissent is the oldest and strongest form or free speech and pretty much the reason why the First Amendment exists. Going on a public forum and saying that people should kill a specific person - a celebrity, an abortion clinic doctor, or particularly the president of the United States - is going to warrant some kind of attention from somebody.
It would be very difficult to find someone guilty of a crime on something like this, but it doesn't mean that someone couldn't try.
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I couldn't have written this without calling you a pathetic joke who grabs onto revolutionary causes on the internet because your real life is such a miserable failuer.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:43:45 EDT (#)
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oh yes
Submitted by Antioxident (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:37:17 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:18:44 EDT (#)
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This whole debacle makes me smile. Bart should have told the whole lot of them to get fucked.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:16:45 EDT (#)
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It's not even a criminal case, it's a CIVIL case, retard.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:09:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:00:04 (#)
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Well I guess it would take a court to decide whether it is satire or otherwise, we've all seen the people vs. larry flynt, the point is bart folded, in your ideal free speech protected world he would say fuck you and go to court, but why the fuck would he when it it is so much easier to just remove the posts. You're living in a fucking fantasy land.
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"but why the fuck would he when it it is so much easier to just remove the posts. You're living in a fucking fantasy land."
You say I'm living in a fantasy land? You're the one who seems to think that freedom comes to you on a silver platter and no one will EVER try to take it, and even so, you should never try to stop them because it's far "easier" to just lie down.
You're a fucking coward and an idiot. If that's the way you think, then frankly you deserve to have your liberties taken.
Like I conveyed in the post... There comes a time when we must all weigh our options and choose our battles. To paraphrase the Constitution, the freedoms endowed to us by our Creator are inalienable, and must be fought for.
This fight is neverending. Every generation and every nation on the face of the earth must decide for itself to what extent it wishes to stand up for these basic human rights. I will guarantee you this...those that do not stand up for their rights can do nothing but lose them.
I told Bart below in a review that he needs to join the ACLU or other civil rights organization, because many of them will provide attorneys to help fight these kinds of encroachments on constitutional rights and civil liberties.
Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:08:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:59:32 (#)
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Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:52:27 (#)
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ETS does that mean you support NAMBLAS right to convene and swap tactics or stories?
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I think they should have a right to talk about whatever they want so long as they are not infringing upon anyone else's right to do the same.
This is the basis of our constitutional republic. This is why it's the very first amendment of the bill of rights.
Do I support the ACTION of sex with a child? No.
But am I gonna support abridging someone's speech because I don't like their ideas? HELL no. I don't want it done to me or anyone else.
We are actually better off if the DO talk about it, when you really think it through, because at least then we know to watch out for those people.
The bottom line is, speech is protected. But if one chooses to exercise that freedom he must know that anything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law should he be arrested for wrongdoing.
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Okay
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 06:00:04 EDT (#)
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Well I guess it would take a court to decide whether it is satire or otherwise, we've all seen the people vs. larry flynt, the point is bart folded, in your ideal free speech protected world he would say fuck you and go to court, but why the fuck would he when it it is so much easier to just remove the posts. You're living in a fucking fantasy land.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:59:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:52:27 (#)
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ETS does that mean you support NAMBLAS right to convene and swap tactics or stories?
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I think they should have a right to talk about whatever they want so long as they are not infringing upon anyone else's right to do the same.
This is the basis of our constitutional republic. This is why it's the very first amendment of the bill of rights.
Do I support the ACTION of sex with a child? No.
But am I gonna support abridging someone's speech because I don't like their ideas? HELL no. I don't want it done to me or anyone else.
We are actually better off if the DO talk about it, when you really think it through, because at least then we know to watch out for those people.
The bottom line is, speech is protected. But if one chooses to exercise that freedom he must know that anything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law should he be arrested for wrongdoing.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:52:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:42:41 (#)
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the issue was they were against copyright law, what the fuck are you talking about
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Derivative works are legally protected speech. As is satire.
Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:52:27 EDT (#)
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ETS does that mean you support NAMBLAS right to convene and swap tactics or stories?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:50:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:35:39 (#)
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I didn't say they can't be identified, they can and were, there were people searching for the names of their murder victims against their own names to see if anyone suspected them. I'm saying it was people who were registered AOL users who were doing the searches, they were matching the searches to AOL ISP accounts, not IP addresses. It wasn't really a mistake, they thought it would be a good idea, kind of like google does april fools pranks and stuff, and as soon as it got dugg they realized what a stupid fucking retarded idea it was to match a unique user to the searches. It's bad for privacy, but it has nothing to do with anything, if they wanted to release those terms to the government they would be doing it behind closed doors, not a public grab.
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Who said anything about anyone matching the AOL users by their IP? You need to start reading more fucking carefully and quit being presumptuous.
I'm sure they ARE giving the information to the government behind closed doors, but the point is, they had no respect for the issue of privacy. Basically it wasn't a 'test' to see if anyone would care, I think it was a test to see if it would stand up in a court of law.
Either way, what they did was irresponsible.
But that's STILL not what's at issue here. The only reason I even mentioned AOL is because I was highlighting the kind of information that can be mined from web searches and page requests.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:44:23 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:42:41 EDT (#)
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the issue was they were against copyright law, what the fuck are you talking about
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:41:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by paint_it_black (user info) at 2006-09-01 05:33:38 (#)
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At the end of the day, Methods post was shit and in poor taste.
If anyone wants to rally up around a good cause for our freedom there has got to be something better than sticking up for method and his bunch off ass licking friends' right to talk about raping babies.
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Dude, I agree the post was in poor taste, but it wasn't against the fucki