Scars, Injuries, and Other Forensic Markings (Exhibit A: The scar over my right eye) (991 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-09-26 12:36:30 EDT
When I was 10 to 13 years old, all I ever wanted to be was a baseball player. Like so many boys that age, dreams of becoming the first man to hit 200 homeruns (HR) in a season was not beyond the boundaries of the mind or the realms of possibility. No, this was a time before the mind had shrunk down, forsaking vast swarths of dreamscapes for the simpler, more familiar terrain of a workaday existence in 21st century schizoid land.
I lived beside a tennis court back then with my mom and two sisters. The year was 1988 or 1989. There weren't many kids around where we lived, at least none I wanted to play with, so for hours on end after school I would escape the repulsive estrogen inside the house for the paradise of my thoughts and fantasies outside. I would stand at one end of the tennis court - which was almost never in use - and toss a ball up in the air, striking it with a plastic bat, and watching it fly over the ivy-covered chain link fence, imagining I had just hit a homerun (HR)at Wrigley Field.
I had whole games in my head. Whole regions of the tennis court were reserved for certain kinds of hits. If it landed just over the net on a line, it was a single. If it hit the net it was a groundout. If it went up a certain height, but didn't hit the 'wall', it was a flyout. This was a double, that was a triple...I had the entire game in my head. I would go through the lineup faithfully and execute each player's at-bat (AB), even according to their skill level. Sometimes I would switch balls that wouldn't fly so far to reflect that particular player's handicap.
This same rigor was also applied when it came time to play the field. Here, I would go through the motions as well - pitching to a certain spot on the fence, recording balls and strikes as I went.
I did this for about 3 years straight. I would rush off the school bus in the afternoon to catch the remainder of the Cubs game, then afterward, I would go outside to create the imaginary version.
When we moved to a bigger house with a bigger yard, I used the retaining wall out back as part of my imaginary Wrigley Field. It looked more authentic since it was brick, but the distance was shorter, so, to keep it competitive, I used a crappier plastic ball that wouldn't fly as far.
When these activities didn't suit me, I would grab my glove and play pitch and catch with Issac Newton. "How does one do this," you ask, "considering the unquestionably ramshackle state of Sir Newton?" Well, I have heard your concerns and I hereby resolve to enlighten you forthwith.
You reach way back and throw the ball as hard as you can straight up into the air. In this way, Sir Issac Newton sorta becomes your battery mate as gravity draws the ball back to you. I used to spend entire afternoons doing this...throwing balls up and chasing them down. Sometimes I would stand near the base of the wall and throw them up precisely so I could rob some imaginary batter of his 9th inning heroism by leaping against the wall for the catch. I blame ESPN Sportscenter highlights for this craziness.
But on the day in question, I was at a friend's house (yes, I had friends too) waiting for him to come outside when I made the grave decision to play catch with Mr. Newton near the mailbox. Brothers and sisters, one thing you must realize about American mailboxes in the 20th century is that they were usually composed of metal and often set atop posts that were designed to withstand decades of wind and erosion, meaning they did not give much when you ploughed your face into them.
Standing up as my friend rushed outside, I touched my head to ensure that, yes, I was indeed bleeding.
"I'm bleeding," I said matter-of-factly.
"Yes you are," said my friend. "Are you all right?"
No, I was not all right. While the sudden adrenaline pumped into my bloodstream may have deadened the pain of just having my forehead gashed open by a mailbox, the thought that a baroque-era physicist and mathematician was conspiring with Albert Potts - designer of the mailbox-on-lamppost configuration - to decapitate me has haunted me to this day.
So while the scar has faded with time, the wound grows ever deeper. Maybe that's why I never became a major league baseball player...there aren't enough tennis nets and mailboxes on the field of play.
Regardless, if you ever find yourself pulling a charred, lifeless body from the wreck of a Ford 800 Series farm tractor as it collided with an Amtrack passenger train, look for a tiny scar above the right eye...it might just be me.
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Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2006-09-27 17:42:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-27 03:22:31 (#)
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Wasn't this post about scars once upon a time?
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-09-27 13:44:49 EDT (#)
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i have a scar on my lip, and i have no idea how it got there
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-09-27 11:41:31 (#)
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worthless.
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Yes you are.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-09-27 11:41:31 EDT (#)
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worthless.
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ETS Says:
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
I say:
You useless hypocritical fuck.
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Listening and declaring to be wrong is different than not listening in the first place.
Give me an example of something someone said that I ignored.
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You do what's known in my communications class as "ambushing." That means you do listen to the argument, but you pay attention for the part you can disagree with and that will allow you to throw down your talking points. As an example, see the comments area of *any* of your posts. What's really funny is when someone says something that intimidates you and you don't even acknowledge it at all. I've done that on at least one post but I don't specifically remember which. It's one of yours if you're going to bitch until I dig it up.
You say "Listening and declaring to be wrong is different than not listening in the first place" but that's exactly what Caul does. That's why you're a hypocrite.
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Again, you fail miserably to give examples.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-27 03:22:31 EDT (#)
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Wasn't this post about scars once upon a time?
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-09-26 23:49:38 (#)
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HEY! I LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY! :-P
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YEA
Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2006-09-27 00:16:35 EDT (#)
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Maybe Isaac Newton was jealous of your stumpy fingers, pouty lips, hourglass figure, and ambiguous genitalia.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-09-26 23:49:38 EDT (#)
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HEY! I LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY! :-P
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-09-26 18:44:15 (#)
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ETS Says:
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
I say:
You useless hypocritical fuck.
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Listening and declaring to be wrong is different than not listening in the first place.
Give me an example of something someone said that I ignored.
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You do what's known in my communications class as "ambushing." That means you do listen to the argument, but you pay attention for the part you can disagree with and that will allow you to throw down your talking points. As an example, see the comments area of *any* of your posts. What's really funny is when someone says something that intimidates you and you don't even acknowledge it at all. I've done that on at least one post but I don't specifically remember which. It's one of yours if you're going to bitch until I dig it up.
You say "Listening and declaring to be wrong is different than not listening in the first place" but that's exactly what Caul does. That's why you're a hypocrite.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 22:11:14 (#)
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I don't hate technology. I hate what it's done to us. I hate the pervasion of it in every corner of our lives. I hate our dependence on it. I think it's an engine for slavery. It's gotten to the point where learning is so compartmentalized, the human race's survival potential has been compromised because of it.
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Once again o wise ETS, where should we stop, where did it go bad?
And do you honestly believe people would florish under a system that dooms them to live exactly as their father? To never change or advance?
And if you really hate what it has done to you why don't you join one of the number of groups that forsake technology?
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it's nice that you have used the bodymap we use when describing abuse suffered by children.
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Forensicgirl should appreciate it as well seeing as it is the same diagram used in autopsies of all the little children Indoninja has killed from his helicopter.
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I liked using barbie and ken dolls for descriptions of sexual abuse whilst interviewing children.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 22:11:14 EDT (#)
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I don't hate technology. I hate what it's done to us. I hate the pervasion of it in every corner of our lives. I hate our dependence on it. I think it's an engine for slavery. It's gotten to the point where learning is so compartmentalized, the human race's survival potential has been compromised because of it.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 20:18:11 EDT (#)
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Actually ETS if you really believe that technology is so bad, and you want to be that close to nature why don't you join the Amish?
Oh yeah, because you are full of shit.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 17:25:35 (#)
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[No you can't. Two words: "Property taxes". A few more words: "Department of Fish and Wildlife". You tell me what country would allow me to immigrate there without first going through an American school system to get indoctrinated in this or that field so I would be what they would define as a productive member of society. Name the place.]
-Any third world country would let you in and most would let you own land, unless you were hunting endangered animals they wouldn't care what you did.
[If that is your true hope, you wouldn't be working for fucking Exxon, as they are the #1 reason we don't have more alternatives competing with big oil.]
-Nevermind that the advances needed to be able to have the resources to even begin to understand things like nuclear power we need sources of energy like oil. I never said I worked for Exxon. It is a step in that direction like coal was for oil.
[I never said I wasn't guilty too, but I am guilty precisely BECAUSE people who came before me thought it would be a great idea to set up a society where everything was dependent on a resource THEY controlled, and to indoctrinate every child born into that lifestyle through combined law and culture and invention.]
-If you lived in a society without domesticated animals and you learned how to do it would you teach your children? Would that be giving them a leg up and advancing their chance of survival or would it be indoctrinating them?
[It's better to work for what you've earned and to create the things you use everyday. They retain more value that way. you appreciate them more. You THINK about things like this and are thankful for what you have. It's easy to pitch something away, to be wasteful, to see no value when everything you lay your hands on has come easy. This is the very root of a disposable society, and as far as I'm concerned, it is one of our many problems. The modern notion of "progress" is a cleverly disguised lie...and you are one of the many who have bought it hook, line, and sinker.]
-Just because you are simpleton who needs to see your work and what you earn spelled out for you in its most basic form of sustenance or shelter to understand its value doesn't mean we are all that short sited. If "progress" is a lie tell me o wise one where did real progress stop? Should we go back to before domesticated animals? Steel? The wheel? You are smart enough to see through the lies of progress then you should be smart enough o tell me where we went wrong, when did it go to far?
[If I have never done it, it is not for lack of WANT. I grew up on a farm. As a child I was always around the woods. While I have never had the opportunity to live in the way I think would be best, without the bullshit entrapments and excesses that enslave us with their illusion of enjoyment, I have caught glimpses of what it would be like, and it's far more desirable to me than this world.]
-Living on a modern farm has almost nothing in common with living in a pre-western contact American farm would be. The suggestion that you know what it would be like speaks volumes on your ignorance of the subject. It amazes me that you would sit there and espouse a way of life that would have you at middle aged, or over the hill. A way of life filled with toil. A way of life where people rarely travel far from their home or see the world. It is very brave of you to say everyone else should live this way when you have everything.
[I agree. But you're cassuming you know where *I* find God. Finding God and listening to what He has to say are two different things, and God tells me that what we're doing is wrong. We are not meant to live this way. We're eroding our morality and destroying our children's heritage for what? For another plastic trinket we will throw away on a whim, or another kitchen appliance that does the same thing a good ol' fashioned fire could do just as well.]
[Wow. I don't even want to dignify that with a response.]
[Again, you're using fallacious logic to support your argument. you're assuming that I'm saying that indians are all some kind of shamen whose every action should be emulated. No. In actuality, they are yet another example of a people whose heritage, creativity, and culture have been all but annihilated by this soulless modernity which you seem to think so highly of.]
-You have yet to explain how their society posses more creativity? How it is closer to god? Would you be happy if every one was forced to live like their fathers did? Should Indians or indigenous people not yet infected by the "lie of western progress" not be given the chance to have what we have? And you failed to address how a cleverly designed bead and feather headdress is any different than a flat screen TV?
[I am lamenting a way of life we, as a people, should have never left and one which should come naturally to us, but which we have been sadly removed from by the systematic indoctrination into consumerism. Mankind has been on this planet for millions of years, yet you find it is so easy to forget that up until about 100-200 years ago we neither wanted or needed all the things that make our lives so 'comfortable' now. I use the term 'comfort' loosely, because, for one, it's subjective, for two, much of the time it is used to describe things that I think we'd be better off without.]
Naturally? What way of life came naturally? Nothing came naturally since we climbed down from the trees. Nothing came naturally since we started using tools. Spears, bows, plows, domesticated animals, domesticated plants none of them are natural. All of them are tools and can be compared to what we use today.
Jesus I can't believe how full of shit you are. You sit there on a computer never having had to grow and hunt your own food and preach that thecnology is bad. You sit there in your central air apt with high speed internet and you say we don't need these "comforts". You are honestly trying to compare living on a modern farm to pre western hunter gather societies. You are even more of a joke than I thought.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 19:34:05 EDT (#)
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You know what's fucked up...I knew how many homeruns Mike fucking Schmitt had in his career off the top of my head.
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-09-26 19:04:07 (#)
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Mike Schmidt > Ryne Sandberg
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Oh no you diin't!!! You don't mess wit da Ryno!
Actually, depends on whether you're talking defense or offense. Can't argue with Schmitty's 548 career dingers, but Ryno had a perennial golden glove, and he led the Cubs to the postseason twice in the 80s.
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-09-26 18:44:15 (#)
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ETS Says:
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
I say:
You useless hypocritical fuck.
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Listening and declaring to be wrong is different than not listening in the first place.
Give me an example of something someone said that I ignored.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-09-26 19:09:17 EDT (#)
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i've worked in the nature for 2 years during my college years and the only way i, and everybody else, felt closer to God was when we cursed his name a lot.
nature is not that friendly and these kinds of job are not easy at all.
i don't think a guy like brad who blames the government for his misfortunes and cannot get away one day from his computer to get the rural life he's nostalgic about would last one fucking week in a field.
change starts with you brad.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-09-26 19:04:07 EDT (#)
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I remember one time when I was 12, it was right after a little league game, and I was playing catch with Newton. (That sounds a bit dirty, no?) Anyway, I throw the ball up in the air, and this dipshit kid walked right in front of me, and it plonked him dead in the center of the cranium. An hour later, his dad is calling my dad saying that I intentionally beaned him. An hour and five minutes later I had a red ass and was grounded for a month.
Oh, and...
Mike Schmidt > Ryne Sandberg
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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-09-26 18:44:15 (#)
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ETS Says:
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
I say:
You useless hypocritical fuck.
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pwned!
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-09-26 18:44:15 EDT (#)
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ETS Says:
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
I say:
You useless hypocritical fuck.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 16:18:27 (#)
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You can question all you want, but that isn't what you were doing you were judging, even though your hands are as dirty as anyones who was born in the west.
[I never said I wasn't guilty too, but I am guilty precisely BECAUSE people who came before me thought it would be a great idea to set up a society where everything was dependent on a resource THEY controlled, and to indoctrinate every child born into that lifestyle through combined law and culture and invention.]
You can walk away from it. Join the peace corps. There are places where you can afford to buy land they just require back breaking labor to survive on, and you won't be close to all the modern comforts you question the importance of (that, of course, you would never live without).
[No you can't. Two words: "Property taxes". A few more words: "Department of Fish and Wildlife". You tell me what country would allow me to immigrate there without first going through an American school system to get indoctrinated in this or that field so I would be what they would define as a productive member of society. Name the place.]
Oil is a step in the direction to other sources of energy(I hope).
[If that is your true hope, you wouldn't be working for fucking Exxon, as they are the #1 reason we don't have more alternatives competing with big oil.]
When has anyone cared about the human soul? How can you argue that slaving away on a farm, or barely etching out a life in the tundra is better for the soul?
[It's better to work for what you've earned and to create the things you use everyday. They retain more value that way. you appreciate them more. You THINK about things like this and are thankful for what you have. It's easy to pitch something away, to be wasteful, to see no value when everything you lay your hands on has come easy. This is the very root of a disposable society, and as far as I'm concerned, it is one of our many problems. The modern notion of "progress" is a cleverly disguised lie...and you are one of the many who have bought it hook, line, and sinker.]
Get that stupid fucking "living in harmony with nature brings you closer to god" idea out of your head, you have never done it so you are full of shit whenever you spout off about it.
[If I have never done it, it is not for lack of WANT. I grew up on a farm. As a child I was always around the woods. While I have never had the opportunity to live in the way I think would be best, without the bullshit entrapments and excesses that enslave us with their illusion of enjoyment, I have caught glimpses of what it would be like, and it's far more desirable to me than this world.]
People can find god/spirituality anywhere. You don't have to hunt buffalo or follow the seasons to do it. That is just as fucking ignorant as saying they can only find it in church or by praying to mecca five times a day. If anything people have less soul today because they have the fucking luxury to think about it.
[I agree. But you're cassuming you know where *I* find God. Finding God and listening to what He has to say are two different things, and God tells me that what we're doing is wrong. We are not meant to live this way. We're eroding our morality and destroying our children's heritage for what? For another plastic trinket we will throw away on a whim, or another kitchen appliance that does the same thing a good ol' fashioned fire could do just as well.]
"unneccessary consumer goods" are what seperate us from animals.
[Wow. I don't even want to dignify that with a response.]
My big ass flat screen really ain't so diffferent than some pretty fucking beads that I would have traded 2 buffalo hides for a thousand years ago, except it has surround sound and does more than look pretty. Look at "tribal life" look at any study of primitive people there is heiarchy and they all want stuff.
[Again, you're using fallacious logic to support your argument. you're assuming that I'm saying that indians are all some kind of shamen whose every action should be emulated. No. In actuality, they are yet another example of a people whose heritage, creativity, and culture have been all but annihilated by this soulless modernity which you seem to think so highly of.]
What is sad is that you are lamenting a way of life you have never lived and in all likely hood wouldn't be any good at.
[I am lamenting a way of life we, as a people, should have never left and one which should come naturally to us, but which we have been sadly removed from by the systematic indoctrination into consumerism. Mankind has been on this planet for millions of years, yet you find it is so easy to forget that up until about 100-200 years ago we neither wanted or needed all the things that make our lives so 'comfortable' now. I use the term 'comfort' loosely, because, for one, it's subjective, for two, much of the time it is used to describe things that I think we'd be better off without.]
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 15:58:37 (#)
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The sad thing to me is that some of you still don't see it, and you never will.
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You can question all you want, but that isn't what you were doing you were judging, even though your hands are as dirty as anyones who was born in the west.
You can walk away from it. Join the peace corps. There are places where you can afford to buy land they just require back breaking labor to survive on, and you won't be close to all the modern comforts you question the importance of (that, of course, you would never live without).
Oil is a step in the direction to other sources of energy(I hope).
When has anyone cared about the human soul? How can you argue that slaving away on a farm, or barely etching out a life in the tundra is better for the soul?
Get that stupid fucking "living in harmony with nature brings you closer to god" idea out of your head, you have never done it so you are full of shit whenever you spout off about it. People can find god/spirituality anywhere. You don't have to hunt buffalo or follow the seasons to do it. That is just as fucking ignorant as saying they can only find it in church or by praying to mecca five times a day. If anything people have less soul today because they have the fucking luxury to think about it.
"unneccessary consumer goods" are what seperate us from animals. My big ass flat screen really ain't so diffferent than some pretty fucking beads that I would have traded 2 buffalo hides for a thousand years ago, except it has surround sound and does more than look pretty. Look at "tribal life" look at any study of primitive people there is heiarchy and they all want stuff.
What is sad is that you are lamenting a way of life you have never lived and in all likely hood wouldn't be any good at.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 15:07:28 (#)
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Indo: Your definition of 'benefitting' and 'higher standard of living' I'm sure differ slightly from mine. Suffice it to say I think human use of fossil fuels is going to be our proverbial mountain-sized meteor in the end, and it is no secret that people are dying for it as we speak, so no, I don't consider that necessarily beneficial. It's a moral objection I have as well as a practical impossibility. We simply cannot have both freedom and luxury. Not forever, anyway.
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But you still DO benefit from what the oil companies do, maybe not as much as me (although I earned every penny and am no longer in that line of work), but you still benefit. From grocery stores packed with anything you want to your computer and sneakers you are coddled by an economy that largely runs on labor and resources of indigenous people. Until you walk away from all of that you have absolutely no room to judge others.
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I am fully aware that nearly everything in the modern fucking world is a result of oil in some way, as I have repeated more times on this website than I can count, I'm just questioning whether these things are truly the benefit they're supposed to be.
One cannot easily "walk away from it" because in today's age of land ownership, we cannot chase herds of bison over the plains like we once could. We cannot live the same kind of life that would have allowed a primitive alternative to this soulless, moderized crap world we live in now. There are very few places left on earth where one could do this without getting shot for trespassing, but that's not even the most fundamental part of my argument.
The flaw in your argument is that you ASSUME that the world we've created is better than the one we're destroying.
The essential premises of my argument are as follows:
*our modern notion of "progress" is tied to the energy extraction of fossil fuels, including oil
*our modern notion of "progress" is twisted, and disregards the health of the human soul
*a fundamental component of "progress" is the increase in Quality of Life, but I say quality of life is more inextricably tied to a closeness with nature, which translates to a closeness with God, than with availability of unneccessary consumer goods
The sad thing to me is that some of you still don't see it, and you never will.
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Indo: Your definition of 'benefitting' and 'higher standard of living' I'm sure differ slightly from mine. Suffice it to say I think human use of fossil fuels is going to be our proverbial mountain-sized meteor in the end, and it is no secret that people are dying for it as we speak, so no, I don't consider that necessarily beneficial. It's a moral objection I have as well as a practical impossibility. We simply cannot have both freedom and luxury. Not forever, anyway.
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But you still DO benefit from what the oil companies do, maybe not as much as me (although I earned every penny and am no longer in that line of work), but you still benefit. From grocery stores packed with anything you want to your computer and sneakers you are coddled by an economy that largely runs on labor and resources of indigenous people. Until you walk away from all of that you have absolutely no room to judge others.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 15:07:28 EDT (#)
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Indo: Your definition of 'benefitting' and 'higher standard of living' I'm sure differ slightly from mine. Suffice it to say I think human use of fossil fuels is going to be our proverbial mountain-sized meteor in the end, and it is no secret that people are dying for it as we speak, so no, I don't consider that necessarily beneficial. It's a moral objection I have as well as a practical impossibility. We simply cannot have both freedom and luxury. Not forever, anyway.
Caul: You don't even know the meaning of "P4wn3d". There are at least 2 sides to every argument. Your problem is, you habitually only listen to one of them.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 15:00:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:42:37 (#)
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Regardless, if you ever find yourself pulling a charred, lifeless body from the wreck of a Ford 800 Series farm tractor as it collided with an Amtrack passenger train, look for a tiny scar above the right eye...it might just be me.
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Who are you kidding - with the amount of fertilizer and fuel oil that you'll be using, they won't find more than a bone fragment of you left...
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Well, the 800-series is an open air cabin tractor, so chances are, I'd be blown clear of the wreckage.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:56:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:20:23 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:59:50 (#)
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Yea, I forgot, you're with the oil companies. Oil companies, contractors, military...it's all the same. You're paid thugs who steal the resources of indigenous people around the world.
Let's not split hairs.
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There is the ignorant and hypocritical ETS I know and love. Tell me what do you think would happen if Exxon pulled out of all third world oil markets? BP, citgo, Total would all move in. and even if all the big international oil companies pulled out what do you think would happen? You think the oil would just sit there and the indigenous people would return to a primitive life of contentment hunting and living at one with nature, or they would get the oil out themselves to sell. Who do you think has cleaner standards environmental standards a company like Exxon or indonesia? Even for the sake of argument if indonesia did have high standards do you think they have the know how to have a clean efficient oil production industry? Nope.
But lets go ahead and pretend that oil companies are the worst thing to happen to "indigenous" people. Don't you profit from all this evil work that the oil companies are doing? Don't you have a higher standard of living because of what they do? If what they do is really wrong, and it is giving you a higher standard of living aren't you morally obligated to not accept that standard of living, or leave that country?
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pwn3d
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:42:37 EDT (#)
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Regardless, if you ever find yourself pulling a charred, lifeless body from the wreck of a Ford 800 Series farm tractor as it collided with an Amtrack passenger train, look for a tiny scar above the right eye...it might just be me.
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Who are you kidding - with the amount of fertilizer and fuel oil that you'll be using, they won't find more than a bone fragment of you left...
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:33:56 EDT (#)
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Auto Annie Potts +2!
Oh, you said Albert Potts?
Well it's too late to reconsider!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:20:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:59:50 (#)
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Yea, I forgot, you're with the oil companies. Oil companies, contractors, military...it's all the same. You're paid thugs who steal the resources of indigenous people around the world.
Let's not split hairs.
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There is the ignorant and hypocritical ETS I know and love. Tell me what do you think would happen if Exxon pulled out of all third world oil markets? BP, citgo, Total would all move in. and even if all the big international oil companies pulled out what do you think would happen? You think the oil would just sit there and the indigenous people would return to a primitive life of contentment hunting and living at one with nature, or they would get the oil out themselves to sell. Who do you think has cleaner standards environmental standards a company like Exxon or indonesia? Even for the sake of argument if indonesia did have high standards do you think they have the know how to have a clean efficient oil production industry? Nope.
But lets go ahead and pretend that oil companies are the worst thing to happen to "indigenous" people. Don't you profit from all this evil work that the oil companies are doing? Don't you have a higher standard of living because of what they do? If what they do is really wrong, and it is giving you a higher standard of living aren't you morally obligated to not accept that standard of living, or leave that country?
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:11:34 EDT (#)
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ETS, you say you want to stop fighting with this guy, yet you make sure to toss in little jabs here and there. You should know better.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:06:13 EDT (#)
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And a joke that's funny because you didn't expect it to continue.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:05:46 EDT (#)
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And a side of fries.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 14:05:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:57:26 (#)
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I have a good scar on my right knee from being tripped up in a gravel playground and then slipping on a piece of roofing slate brought down in the big 1987 storms. If I ever find myself pantless and holding a marker, I like to draw a happy face on it.
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And if *I* ever find you pantless and holding a marker I'm gonna...
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shit...there are just so many possibilities I am overcome with visions of its multicoloriferous magnificence.
I know whatever I did, I would do it with honor...and a boner.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:59:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:53:17 (#)
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Haterd act? I don't hate you. Pity you maybe, annoyed by you often, but mostly just amused by you.
And for the record I am not in the military those pictures were from a fun little side task with my job.
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Yea, I forgot, you're with the oil companies. Oil companies, contractors, military...it's all the same. You're paid thugs who steal the resources of indigenous people around the world.
Let's not split hairs.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:57:26 EDT (#)
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I have a good scar on my right knee from being tripped up in a gravel playground and then slipping on a piece of roofing slate brought down in the big 1987 storms. If I ever find myself pantless and holding a marker, I like to draw a happy face on it.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:53:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:23:31 (#)
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Hey man. Let's stop this nonsense.
Carrying on this ridiculous hatred act is draining. There are obviously deep philosophical differences in our outlook on the world that are a product of our upbringing and will never be reconciled, so let's just leave it at that.
You chose to be a soldier and I told the military "not on your life". Therein lies the difference between us. I'm not going to waste any more of my time hating you for not being more like me. It's too energy depleting. All I can do is hope and pray you know right from wrong and appeal to you to exercise restraint when you're pointing that machine gun down at a crowd of multicolored dots otherwise known as people.
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Haterd act? I don't hate you. Pity you maybe, annoyed by you often, but mostly just amused by you.
And for the record I am not in the military those pictures were from a fun little side task with my job.
Submitted by The_Yellow_Dart (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:42:06 EDT (#)
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Same for me, only with hockey. Cultural differences, etc.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:35:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:25:42 (#)
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Oh, shit! The other week I ate at least 1000 people... THEY SAID IT WAS ICE CREAM!
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It was a shock to me also, the first time I found out.
I hear Eddie Van Halen won't even go onstage unless all the brown people are removed from the bowls backstage.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:32:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rejected (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:20:28 (#)
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Yeah, but I hope your players never got hit by the pitch. I have a feeling parents might be willing to commit a child that stands in his back yard throwing baseballs at himself.
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Back in the days when I actually DID sleep in my mother's basement, circa 1990, I would throw a tennis ball at the concrete wall constantly as a diversion.
I didn't know it at the time, but this was fundamental hand/eye coordination training for my future as an intergalactic alien wrestler.
Eh, who am I kidding. I'm not really an intergalactic alien wrestler.
Submitted by ScarfaceMN (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:31:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:16:15 (#)
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Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:09:03 (#)
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I have more scars then Carter has liver pills.
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hehehehe... Your diagram would look a bit different wouldn't it, girl? :P
Poor thing. You know, if you stop jumping from moving circus vehicles and these things wouldn't happen.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:52:45 (#)
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I'm covered in scars. I was an accident prone child and still am accident prone now.
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I feel a possible bandwagon coming on.
I think everyone should post about their scars and how they got them today. Pictures are bonus.
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Trust me, kid, you don't want to see my recent scar. But I like reading scar stories.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:25:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:23:31 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:15:38 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:06:36 (#)
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Research has shown that fantasy play is a primary component of intelligence development. It increases right-brained activity, which is essential in visionary/intuitive functions.
You did it too. You're just too cynical to remember...or too ashamed to tell anyone.
Of course, this, too, is a classic symptom of problems with self-image. People who most have something to prove are usually those who have yet to discover who they really are. This has been my experience.
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Yeah I did it to. I still do similair stuff when I am running. It is just a little sad when your outlook on the world is still mired in the same fantasy land. Instead of a baseball star you are a prophet of the worlds doom and on the trail of the shadow conspiracy running the world.
I don't think you haven't discovered who you are. I think you know you are a second rate musician, a failed intellectual, a college dropout doomed to second-shift managerial work at best so you escape into your fantasy world of revolutionary. Godd for you, I hope it works. I just hope you don't end up taking it out on your kidswhen you realize what joke it is.
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Hey man. Let's stop this nonsense.
Carrying on this ridiculous hatred act is draining. There are obviously deep philosophical differences in our outlook on the world that are a product of our upbringing and will never be reconciled, so let's just leave it at that.
You chose to be a soldier and I told the military "not on your life". Therein lies the difference between us. I'm not going to waste any more of my time hating you for not being more like me. It's too energy depleting. All I can do is hope and pray you know right from wrong and appeal to you to exercise restraint when you're pointing that machine gun down at a crowd of multicolored dots otherwise known as people.
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Oh, shit! The other week I ate at least 1000 people... THEY SAID IT WAS ICE CREAM!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:23:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:15:38 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:06:36 (#)
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Research has shown that fantasy play is a primary component of intelligence development. It increases right-brained activity, which is essential in visionary/intuitive functions.
You did it too. You're just too cynical to remember...or too ashamed to tell anyone.
Of course, this, too, is a classic symptom of problems with self-image. People who most have something to prove are usually those who have yet to discover who they really are. This has been my experience.
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Yeah I did it to. I still do similair stuff when I am running. It is just a little sad when your outlook on the world is still mired in the same fantasy land. Instead of a baseball star you are a prophet of the worlds doom and on the trail of the shadow conspiracy running the world.
I don't think you haven't discovered who you are. I think you know you are a second rate musician, a failed intellectual, a college dropout doomed to second-shift managerial work at best so you escape into your fantasy world of revolutionary. Godd for you, I hope it works. I just hope you don't end up taking it out on your kidswhen you realize what joke it is.
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Hey man. Let's stop this nonsense.
Carrying on this ridiculous hatred act is draining. There are obviously deep philosophical differences in our outlook on the world that are a product of our upbringing and will never be reconciled, so let's just leave it at that.
You chose to be a soldier and I told the military "not on your life". Therein lies the difference between us. I'm not going to waste any more of my time hating you for not being more like me. It's too energy depleting. All I can do is hope and pray you know right from wrong and appeal to you to exercise restraint when you're pointing that machine gun down at a crowd of multicolored dots otherwise known as people.
Submitted by rejected (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:20:28 EDT (#)
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Yeah, but I hope your players never got hit by the pitch. I have a feeling parents might be willing to commit a child that stands in his back yard throwing baseballs at himself.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:17:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rejected (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:12:59 (#)
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Now imagine if the fielder had an error(E6), and the next batter hit a homerun(HR), right before the clean-up(4) batter got hit by a pitch(HB).
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Exactly.
What's really scary is I kept track of that shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:16:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:09:03 (#)
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I have more scars then Carter has liver pills.
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hehehehe... Your diagram would look a bit different wouldn't it, girl? :P
Poor thing. You know, if you stop jumping from moving circus vehicles and these things wouldn't happen.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:52:45 (#)
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I'm covered in scars. I was an accident prone child and still am accident prone now.
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I feel a possible bandwagon coming on.
I think everyone should post about their scars and how they got them today. Pictures are bonus.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:15:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:06:36 (#)
Ranking: 0
Research has shown that fantasy play is a primary component of intelligence development. It increases right-brained activity, which is essential in visionary/intuitive functions.
You did it too. You're just too cynical to remember...or too ashamed to tell anyone.
Of course, this, too, is a classic symptom of problems with self-image. People who most have something to prove are usually those who have yet to discover who they really are. This has been my experience.
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Yeah I did it to. I still do similair stuff when I am running. It is just a little sad when your outlook on the world is still mired in the same fantasy land. Instead of a baseball star you are a prophet of the worlds doom and on the trail of the shadow conspiracy running the world.
I don't think you haven't discovered who you are. I think you know you are a second rate musician, a failed intellectual, a college dropout doomed to second-shift managerial work at best so you escape into your fantasy world of revolutionary. Godd for you, I hope it works. I just hope you don't end up taking it out on your kidswhen you realize what joke it is.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:13:36 EDT (#)
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lemme see your gash.
Submitted by rejected (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:12:59 EDT (#)
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Now imagine if the fielder had an error(E6), and the next batter hit a homerun(HR), right before the clean-up(4) batter got hit by a pitch(HB).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:11:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:04:51 (#)
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it's nice that you have used the bodymap we use when describing abuse suffered by children.
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Forensicgirl should appreciate it as well seeing as it is the same diagram used in autopsies of all the little children Indoninja has killed from his helicopter.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:11:31 EDT (#)
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I enjoyed it.
Submitted by TigerLilly (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:09:03 EDT (#)
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I have more scars then Carter has liver pills.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:06:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:45:29 (#)
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Heartwarming story of ETS as young boy playing imaginary games in his head with no concept of the world around him.
not much has changed.
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Research has shown that fantasy play is a primary component of intelligence development. It increases right-brained activity, which is essential in visionary/intuitive functions.
You did it too. You're just too cynical to remember...or too ashamed to tell anyone.
Of course, this, too, is a classic symptom of problems with self-image. People who most have something to prove are usually those who have yet to discover who they really are. This has been my experience.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-09-26 13:04:51 EDT (#)
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it's nice that you have used the bodymap we use when describing abuse suffered by children.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:55:26 EDT (#)
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Cubs = boo
That is all.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:52:45 EDT (#)
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I'm covered in scars. I was an accident prone child and still am accident prone now.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-09-26 12:45:29 EDT (#)
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Heartwarming story of ETS as young boy playing imaginary games in his head with no concept of the world around him.
not much has changed.