US Military Responds to John Kerry (1909 hits)
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Submitted by GodChicken <Monty> (View user info) at 2006-11-01 17:12:22 EST
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-29 13:50:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by FartSmeller (user info) at 2006-11-06 15:22:09 EST (#)
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Got this emailed to me, priceless.
I'm shocked you're not getting more John Kerry supporters dumping on you for this post.
Submitted by RandomJose (user info) at 2006-11-06 05:25:43 EST (#)
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If you're in the military, and are appauled by what Kerry said, we need to think about a complete military overhaul.
...I wasn't aware the "Greatest military in the world" churned out fucking sissies that could be hurt by words.
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-11-05 21:32:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-11-05 18:07:29 EST (#)
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when i was out there, i worked 16 hours a day, every day for a year. ok, i might have gotten one day off once every couple months
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i would bet AT LEAST 3 dollars that this guy is an 11b.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2006-11-04 19:46:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-11-03 00:40:52 (#)
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why is there a debate about this?
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because we haven't had any terrorists or hurricanes in the news recently.
we're bored.
Submitted by LeaderOfMen (user info) at 2006-11-03 23:27:22 EST (#)
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I spent this ENTIRE DEPLOYMENT fixing 3ID's fuck ups.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-03 19:42:29 EST (#)
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"Could you do the same? I left behind everything I knew so I could lead a life most people will never experience."
there are several of us here that took the same path (the author of this post and myself included). you are not special. but good for you. it's respectable. just don't get too high and mighty about it.
ps- i liked 3ID better. sorry. their command was much easier to work with and their rotary wing pilots were great and they got me through some dangerous stretches on convoys without a scratch on me. and i have a buddy in 3ID. and their commanding general is Fuzzy (who doesn't like Fuzzy?). Rock of the Marne!
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2006-11-03 18:56:42 EST (#)
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GG NO RE
Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2006-11-03 16:36:55 EST (#)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by LeaderOfMen (user info) at 2006-11-03 16:29:18 EST (#)
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Toughbook's suck, and so does sand.
None of that makes sense now that I read it.
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Submitted by LeaderOfMen (user info) at 2006-11-03 16:25:53 EST (#)
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I dont even have the time to dig up some comment i read in passing in a post a while ago about you explaining a security access level you "had".
Anyone can look and see where I work. Im proud of what I do and who I work with. All you have to do is look on the web and you can find anything you know about me. But then again, Im just telling you things you already know.
And I would be an idiot and a coward for you attacking my unit (even though I dont like them), you arent in the unit so you cant comprehend the level of the suck. But you know what? I am a soldier, Ill deal with it, and ill stay here fighting until they ship me back to the states and bring me back here a fucking year later. Why? Because I knew the implications and risks when I signed the dotted line (tangeting into ETS's/Fart Smeller opines), and I will probably be back over here when I get out of the military and go to work for a much larger company for a much better paying job. I joined for my future, and the ability to raise a family free from want. I didnt join because I failed the education system or vice versa. I am about a year away from finishing my English Lit degree from Ohio University, and the command climate in the military has a completely paradoxical attitude toward education as you would be lead to believe. TA is given at no cost to active duty soliders and I can get up to $550 a credit hour to go to school while Im in, and have 40K to spend on college when I get out. I am leading a life that most people couldnt or wouldnt live for the benefit of their families and children... and the funniest part is im 23, single and with no kids, and I am already thinking about my children's future.
Could you do the same? I left behind everything I knew so I could lead a life most people will never experience.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2006-11-03 15:05:43 EST (#)
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Wow, a whole buncha boo-hooing here.
I'm a vet and I don't really care. Know why? I have a degree. I went to college. Joined 8 years after high school, went to college.
Know why I joined?
To have a job. I'm far from patriotic, but I go to war because it's my job - not my "duty".
Untwist yer panties.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2006-11-03 02:09:48 EST (#)
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and 60% of them only have GED's
Submitted by lordofthepost (user info) at 2006-11-03 02:08:59 EST (#)
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They misspelled Kerry, and missed the point. Yes, I know the first was intentional. I blame the second on the media.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-11-03 00:41:28 EST (#)
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They were talking about this picture on the news tonight. It ruled very hard.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-11-03 00:40:52 EST (#)
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why is there a debate about this?
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2006-11-03 00:29:24 EST (#)
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We have armed troops in 135 different countries.
Yea for US!
Submitted by Allyson (user info) at 2006-11-02 19:55:28 EST (#)
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lovely.
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2006-11-02 17:40:28 EST (#)
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Oh how I love to be an american. People are fucking dying in iraq. Our soldiers, civilians, and the entire country is in an neanderthal chaos. And people are pissed because Kerry said they weren't bright?
Well it wasn't to bright to lie about a connection to a war with another country to start that shit.
It wasn't too bright to claim they had WMD's to start a pre-emptied war then later state after you destroyed the country that "Yes, iraq didn't have WMD's but Saddam is a bad man, evil, BAD.
It wasn't even worse enough to not have a clear plan of how to get out.
It wasn't to bright to fucking destroy a fucking country and nation.
It wasn't to bright to not have scholars or people who know the people and the culture of the land not tell you how after you so called "liberated" the people. How to implement a system that works with their culture and religion.
When history books in 20 years write about this shit, they are going to say we destoryed a nation for greed. That is it.
Basically like John Kerry said, we all ain't to bright.
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Picture is funny though.
Submitted by Hilarity_Ensues (user info) at 2006-11-02 16:35:35 EST (#)
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HA!
I'd do Monty.... in the butt :P
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-02 16:33:28 EST (#)
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ps- i know EXACTLY where you are. if you remember, i refused to say what i did out there. there's a reason for that, bucko.
don't get mad because you're a 4ID troop. i don't think 4ID as a whole sucks. i have a big problem with their aviation skills, that's for sure. i could go on and on about all the blundering fuck ups i saw...
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-02 16:29:23 EST (#)
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uh... you want to talk about OPSEC? i should report you right now. you're the one puporting to know secrets. i just said i was in Baghdad. are you going to tell me what your security clearance is next?
put a sock in it, dude, before you get yourself in some trouble. what are you doing on Ubersite, anyway? you've got a war to fight. when i was out there, i worked 16 hours a day, every day for a year. ok, i might have gotten one day off once every couple months. i didn't have time for Ubersite. that's why you didn't see me posting for pretty much a whole year.
Submitted by LeaderOfMen (user info) at 2006-11-02 16:18:04 EST (#)
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4ID caught Saddam.
I listen to and learn about shit you will never hear hidden so you will truly never know what progress we are/arent making unless you were actually where I am.
Hidden you dont know what to say and what not to keep off of the internet, Im surprised I havent seen your face on an OPSEC poster around here.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:50:28 EST (#)
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moneyshotforyou- i rolled with the 82nd Airborne in Baghdad for a few months before the 101st came in and they had their shit together. so did the 101, but i'm just saying, those were the only units i saw that had their shit together. especially out in Mahmudiyah and Yousafiyah. 4ID was the absolute worst.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:41:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by rillins (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:26:48 (#)
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Funny, but Kerry was misquoted
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No, no he wasn't. He claims he read his speech wrong, but that took him a day and a half to admit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:40:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-02 10:28:13 (#)
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Actually, I am so middle of the road, I get angry at both sides.
Nobody is on my side, because I'm not on theirs.
The man in the middle of the road gets run over by both trucks. :(
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I picture Mr. Miyagi saying, "Karate yes, ok. Karate no, ok. Karate maybe, squish."
Submitted by rillins (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:26:48 EST (#)
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Funny, but Kerry was misquoted
Submitted by loki424 (user info) at 2006-11-02 14:05:57 EST (#)
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That's a hilarious picture...but anyway...
I'm in the Army, and even though my job involves keeping satellites in orbit and most of my coworkers came into the army with college degrees (and a few earned theirs after joining), I'm not the slightest bit insulted with Kerry's comment. I agree with him 100%. If I had studied harder in school, I'd have earned high enough grades to make it into college. Of course, my parents make just enough money to not be eligible for government aid, but still remain unable to afford jack shit(TM). So, I'd have scrounged through college with some half-assed part-time job (probably the retail gig I had before enlisting) and lived from paycheck to paycheck...and that's assuming I ever made it out of my parent's house. Finally, I'd have a diploma in something or other and a job doing this or that.
Instead, I'm such an idiot that I left high school, joined the army, and got a top secret clearance before I was old enough to drink. At age 22 I can keep satellites breathing and I'm practically guaranteed a nearly identical job (at much higher salary, though of course with no where near as many benefits) when I get out...baring any fuckupancy on my part, a'course. Oh, and the Army's paying for my college.
Once again, Kerry was 100% correct. If I had studied harder and got everything I could out of the education system, then I'd certainly not be here.
And to think...I made mostly "D's" in high school.
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D's nuts.
That is all.
Submitted by Hookhand (user info) at 2006-11-02 10:39:06 EST (#)
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even funnier than Tony Snow up on the podium "He said he was supposed to put the word "us" in there. Where would it go? You get stuck us in Iraq? It just doesn't scan"
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-02 10:28:13 EST (#)
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Actually, I am so middle of the road, I get angry at both sides.
Nobody is on my side, because I'm not on theirs.
The man in the middle of the road gets run over by both trucks. :(
Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2006-11-02 09:25:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:08:02 (#)
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Aw, what a nice sentiment coming from Kerry.
I mean, Kerry's speechwriters.
I mean, his PR assistant who is shitting him/herself.
That response is a canned bunch of SHIT straight off the stockroom shelves from the party headquarters, reguardless of how true any amount of it may be.
Kerry fucking BLEW it in 2004. He said "we have a plan for Iraq." and he never detailed it. I listened close for it too. I voted for him, by the way.
There are a number of veteran organizations who have big beef with him. Why? Doesn't take a lot of digging.
Also, if he's so concerned with all these Veteran and military/war on terror/national security issues, Where was the fight for a seat on the Armed Forces Committee? Why does Kennedy have it still? Why hasn't KERRY been over to Iraq? What the fuck? Did he visit?
He's using his Veteran status as political capital and nothing more. That's sad.
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ahh... Am I missing something about this whole issue that has made you so 100% vitriolic towards kerry and kerry only...for a botched fucking joke in a speech? hmmm...could it be the republicans straight off the stockroom shelf of party head quarters bullshit, bushes speech writers and pr people?
this is just all this same old incendiary shit stirred up by these two, basically the same, political parties of career politicians, who just aren't really like you and me--it's their job to blow shit out of proportion and point fingers so they can seem like the good guys who you want to vote for.
All any of this ever does is make people think they have to fight and argue when most of the time people's different experiences could be discussed, compared, contrasted, assimilated and everyone goes away a bit more well rounded and having found out something they didn't know before. We don't all have nearly close to the same life experiences, but it doesn't make somebody else's wrong. People get so wrapped up in their own experience and viewpoint that sometimes it's tough to admit that something else could also equally as valid or even just plain make more sense.
Life isn't black or white, democrat or republican, and it is silly to keep feeding into all that bullshit.
so as ghey and wishy washy as all that is i guess that's how i view life...it's ghey and wishy washy. imma go get some coffee.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-11-02 09:20:22 EST (#)
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hahahaha.
Submitted by jade_digitalmedia (user info) at 2006-11-02 09:03:54 EST (#)
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rad.
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2006-11-02 08:46:48 EST (#)
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Funny. What unit is that?
I get a kick out of some peoples opinions when it comes to the military. I went to college before I joined the Army. I met many stupid fucks there and I met many intelligent people there as well. When I first joined the army I did it only for the money. They were dumping a big check on my and taking care of my school bills and all I had to do was serve for four years.
I boot camp I met many stupid fucks and I met many intelligent people as well. A good friend of mine just finished law school and joined to have his loans paid off. He served four years, got out, passed the bar and is now making a shitload of money with no loans over his head.
I guess my point is if you just go and grab any group of people you are going to have a certain percentage of idiots, thugs, criminals and intelligent people. The military gets a bad rap since you don't have to have a degree to get in and they will hire just about anyone. It also gets a bad rap because anytime someone fucks up it is all over the news. I had a guy where I work attempt to kill another guy and I am sure none of you heard about it. I work for the Department of State. Had he been in the military and stationed overseas it would have been on Yahoo news the same day.
When I first went in I was with the 82 Airborne. There were some really smart people and some truly great leaders there. THere were also idiots. I joined the special operations shortly after that and again I found some SUPER smart guys and of course there were a few idiots. I where I work now I thought there would be the same mix but I am leaning toward there being more idiots and criminals here than when I was in the service.
The military is a good route for some people. It is a way to make money and learn a skill. If you already have a skill it is still a way to make money. I think it is a great option for post college people. It looks good on a resume and makes you debt free. It is only a few years and in the scheme of things that is nothing.
I am done rambling now.
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Submitted by VileSin (user info) at 2006-11-02 08:38:58 EST (#)
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+2 because the picture kicked total ass.
As for the comment - noone can say they truly think he meant it for the military. Sure I laughted when I heard it because I knew he just shot himself in the foot, the knee, and anything else he could. It would have been a good slam against Bush but he fucked up the delivery simple as that.
If anyone's going to change their vote over a simple line that was misconstrued then I don't think they should even be given the right to vote. As for soldiers - I have respect for them. You won't see me running up to them and licking their boots or clapping insanely on an airplane because they bought a ticket and are taking a trip. I also respect teachers, cops, firefighters, etc and I don't pull that shit with them either. Enough people hate them already (all 4 of those groups) so you won't ever catch me making jokes about them or using terms that are disrespectful of them. If they didn't do what they do - and for shit pay - who would?
Submitted by Kre8rix (user info) at 2006-11-02 08:14:57 EST (#)
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I too am currently serving in the military at the moment. I joined because I didn't want to be a cab driver for the rest of my life, but as a single parent I couldn't afford to go to school either.
I've met a lot of people in the army; some of which, I swear to god, had to be education waivers. A lot of lazy fuckers too. But I've also met people that are truly intelligent, diligent, and are a credit to The Army and to our country. However, just like any other large organization, there are bound to be a few assholes.
I personally found the comment insulting because, even as a joke, it was a broad generalization and doesn't apply to most of the people I serve with.
I, on the other hand, have a hard time counting past 4; so I guess in some cases it does apply.
Que cera cera.
Submitted by creep_firebombing (user info) at 2006-11-02 07:23:07 EST (#)
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skillz
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-02 07:20:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 20:41:55 (#)
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Read my responses to jack - I've already covered these points. It's also probably worth you noting that we've already discussed that not everyone goes into the military primarily to defend their nation - you've got godchicken (active) and hidden (veteran) sitting right here declaring exactly their reasons. Listen to them.
You think? I'm skeptical about this but don't have any direct experience to contradict it. If we're going to fully accept your assertion that members of the military deserve applause because they have "just returned from a life threatening situation" and were solely motivated by "defending their country" then you would expect that same hoohah to be extending to the soldiers of any country. I can't imagine any planeload of americans applauding a north korean soldier, can you?
Don't play cheap rhetorical games dude. You're too intelligent to not understand that I'm demonstrating a wider climate of hero worship with one small example from my personal experience.
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I am not saying everybody does it for noble reasons, but at the end of the day they are risking their lives for our defense (I know an oversimplification, or not quite accurate in Iraq, but they still assumed a risk for whatever reason that is supposed to benefit us).
No they wouldn't stand up for a North Korean, or French or even Canadian probably. Because in the first case they aren't really seen as on our side. In the second and third case because people are still bitter about Iraq.
What you are demonstrating is an ignorance of what daily life is for servicemen. You think shit like that always happens? You think they are met by applause everywhere? Any town that has a large military population treats military members, especially young single ones like shit. Cops don't like them because they see them as potential trouble makers ruining their town. Car dealerships set up predatory loans because they know they don't have connections to fight it, and won't be around forever to give them a bad rep. Realtors do the same shit.
Clapping on a plane when they are returning from combat in uniform is just fucking window dressing. It hardly constitutes hero worship. As far as what Kerry said, if he had made a comment like that towards any group, teachers, cops, firemen there would still be outrage, probably not as much but none of those groups sacrifice as much as soilders, so forgive me if I think they deserve a little fucking respect.
Submitted by kuroneko_sama (user info) at 2006-11-02 06:21:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by chipolatte (user info) at 2006-11-02 04:51:23 EST (#)
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wait, someone ELSE is your favorite uberuser? jesus i'm going to have to step my game up a notch if i want to compete. in fact, i'm going to drop everything in my life- school, work, women, etc., and start figuring out ways to be your favorite.
you're such a dick.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-02 02:40:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-01 23:16:49 (#)
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I think that picture kicks ass, but I don't think that Kerry was really thinking "let me fucking lay it down on these kids - stay away from the dee dee dee military". I had a full college scholarship but I dropped it to join the Navy, and why? Because I hated school at that time and just wanted to dive into the world. Man, what a mistake that was. Yeah, there are alot of dumbasses in the military, but I have met the most brightest people as well. It's a mix, just like any other collective group. Most of the brightest of them were kicking themselves in the ass for the decision they made, and most of the dumb ones were sucking it up for all its worth. Regardless, I was in a really bad place, and I used to post on here back when I was in Iraq. (Off the coast of it in an aircraft carrier, in '03), so my views (and the views of others that were in my position) on the military are pretty cynical.
The point of all I wrote is that people need to pull their heads out of there asses and stop with all this 2nd grade "You did this, I'm telling!" bullshit. Last time I checked, weren't we all supposed to fucking be Americans? This is like some east side/west side gang banging crap.
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This guy really seems to have his head on straight. I admire that. It's a relief to see that some servicement actually do have some sense. Between this review and this one - http://www.ubersite.com/m/95153#2208257 - he's already outpacing most of the rest of you for my favorite uber user. I don't know if it's that he's that awesome, or the rest of you generally suck so much balls. I can't decide.
This picture was funny. I hope they are taking a piss though. Never can tell. ;)
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-11-02 01:55:20 EST (#)
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i dont have a comment.
Submitted by WingedFoote (user info) at 2006-11-02 01:31:01 EST (#)
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HAHA! Poor Kerry can't stay out of his own way...
Submitted by GnarlsBarkley (user info) at 2006-11-02 01:14:59 EST (#)
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+2 cause I know nothing about american politics, but I heart monty
Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-01 23:16:49 EST (#)
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I think that picture kicks ass, but I don't think that Kerry was really thinking "let me fucking lay it down on these kids - stay away from the dee dee dee military". I had a full college scholarship but I dropped it to join the Navy, and why? Because I hated school at that time and just wanted to dive into the world. Man, what a mistake that was. Yeah, there are alot of dumbasses in the military, but I have met the most brightest people as well. It's a mix, just like any other collective group. Most of the brightest of them were kicking themselves in the ass for the decision they made, and most of the dumb ones were sucking it up for all its worth. Regardless, I was in a really bad place, and I used to post on here back when I was in Iraq. (Off the coast of it in an aircraft carrier, in '03), so my views (and the views of others that were in my position) on the military are pretty cynical.
The point of all I wrote is that people need to pull their heads out of there asses and stop with all this 2nd grade "You did this, I'm telling!" bullshit. Last time I checked, weren't we all supposed to fucking be Americans? This is like some east side/west side gang banging crap.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-11-01 23:11:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:19:34 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:06 (#)
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The election is lost because of him.
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Bullshit. Even a monkey could forge a successfull anti-republican campaign in the current climate - if the democrats lose out, they only have themselves (collectively) to blame. How much more ammo does the republican party have to give them?
As an aside, if anyone is going to change their vote because they misconstrued one comment from one man rather than looking at the party policies and bigger picture, then they barely deserve the responsibility of a vote.
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Have you heard how Bush was ripping into him? This gives the Republcans so much to feed off of, becuase of that idiot's comment and how much they can read into it. I was listening to the radio on the way to school, Bush was demanding apologies, saying this was representative of the entire democrat party...
Not saying it's right, but I'm saying it casts aspersions on the motives of Kerry and the democrats in certain eyes.
Submitted by LeaderOfMen (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:42:16 EST (#)
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1114's that wont protect us? Well when you have a half ton roadside bomb big enough to take out tanks, were going to blame the people making the vehicle, not the people pulling the trigger? We have up-armor on the HMMWV's that weighs about 4,000 pounds. People should have an idea about what theyre talking about before they open their mouths.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:30:12 EST (#)
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"That response is a canned bunch of SHIT straight off the stockroom shelves from the party headquarters, regardless of how true any amount of it may be."
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Seems like a pretty odd standard by which to judge people. Personally I just think he's fucking boring... and decidedly UN-funny.
I can't say that I disagree with ANYthing he (they) said in his defense.
I emphatically agree with his (their) assessment of Iraq.
Bottom line is this whole mess is little more than a bullshit distraction that the "people" are lappin' up.
It's pathetic.
However, as this post is STILL about the response from Irak... I'm still givin' it a +2 - because that shit was funny.
Submitted by Stagger_Lee (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:22:40 EST (#)
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You, fourth from the left! Stop slouching!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:22:19 EST (#)
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i agree, Monty. i voted for the guy and i am utterly let down by him.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:13:44 EST (#)
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I'm amazed that he waited this long to show his true colors.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 21:08:02 EST (#)
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Aw, what a nice sentiment coming from Kerry.
I mean, Kerry's speechwriters.
I mean, his PR assistant who is shitting him/herself.
That response is a canned bunch of SHIT straight off the stockroom shelves from the party headquarters, reguardless of how true any amount of it may be.
Kerry fucking BLEW it in 2004. He said "we have a plan for Iraq." and he never detailed it. I listened close for it too. I voted for him, by the way.
There are a number of veteran organizations who have big beef with him. Why? Doesn't take a lot of digging.
Also, if he's so concerned with all these Veteran and military/war on terror/national security issues, Where was the fight for a seat on the Armed Forces Committee? Why does Kennedy have it still? Why hasn't KERRY been over to Iraq? What the fuck? Did he visit?
He's using his Veteran status as political capital and nothing more. That's sad.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 20:56:59 EST (#)
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I always liked John Kerry.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-01 20:43:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:55:12 (#)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/us/31kerry-transcript.html
John Kerry owns.
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"If anyone thinks that a veteran, someone like me, who's been fighting my entire career to provide for veterans, to fight for their benefits, to help honor what their service is -- if anybody thinks that a veteran would somehow criticize more than 140,000 troops serving in Iraq, and not the president and his people who put them there, they're crazy. It's just wrong."
"This (Iraq) policy is broken, and this president and his administration didn't do their homework. They didn't study what would happen in Iraq. They didn't study and listen to the people who were the experts and would have told them. And they know that's what I was talking about yesterday. I'm not going to be lectured by a White House or by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who's taking a day off from mimicking and attacking Michael J. Fox, who's now going to try to attack me and lie about me and distort me. No way. It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country, are willing to lie about those who did. It's over.
This administration has given us a Katrina foreign policy: mistake upon mistake upon mistake, unwilling to give our troops the armor that they need, unwilling to have enough troops in place, unwilling to give them the humvees that they deserve to protect them, unwilling to have a coalition that is adequate to be able to defend our interests.
Our own intelligence agency has told us they're creating more terrorists, not less; they're making us less safe, not more."
It's a good read... it should get more coverage.
Too bad he is such a boring fuck... this truly is utter bullshit.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 20:41:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:59:32 (#)
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How many teachers/nurses just returned from a life threatening situation? A situation they got into to (at its heart, not specifically in the case of Iraq) defend their nation?
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Read my responses to jack - I've already covered these points. It's also probably worth you noting that we've already discussed that not everyone goes into the military primarily to defend their nation - you've got godchicken (active) and hidden (veteran) sitting right here declaring exactly their reasons. Listen to them.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:59:32 (#)
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If they were soilders from Britian flying home, yes they would have had the same treatment.
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You think? I'm skeptical about this but don't have any direct experience to contradict it. If we're going to fully accept your assertion that members of the military deserve applause because they have "just returned from a life threatening situation" and were solely motivated by "defending their country" then you would expect that same hoohah to be extending to the soldiers of any country. I can't imagine any planeload of americans applauding a north korean soldier, can you?
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:59:32 (#)
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I hadn't realized that standing up and clapping is equivalent to prostrating yourself, and equates to calling the person you are applauding an infallible hero.
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Don't play cheap rhetorical games dude. You're too intelligent to not understand that I'm demonstrating a wider climate of hero worship with one small example from my personal experience.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:59:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:28:09 (#)
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I was on a plane from chicago once and you would not believe the venom I recieved for not standing up and applauding at the behest of the flight attendant because two soldiers happened to catch the same plane. Would everyone have stood up and hollered if two nurses or two teachers boarded the plane? What about if the two soldiers had been from Britain instead of America? It's admirable that people are prepared to put their life on the line for something they believe to be greater, but at the end of the day it's a personal choice that you make for your own personal reasons and if we are going to prostrate ourselves in front of the military as selfless, infallible heros then we need to be doing the same in front of the other groups that also serve the greater good of their society.
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How many teachers/nurses just returned from a life threatening situation? A situation they got into to (at its heart, not specifically in the case of Iraq) defend their nation? It isn't like that happens whenever a soilder gets on a plane, I am sure they were flying home from Iraq or Afghanistan.
If they were soilders from Britian flying home, yes they would have had the same treatment.
If I saw a fireman that I knew had just been in a fire come into a bar I would buy him a drink.
I hadn't realized that standing up and clapping is equivalent to prostrating yourself, and equates to calling the person you are applauding an infallible hero.
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:55:12 EST (#)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/us/31kerry-transcript.html
John Kerry owns.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:47:32 EST (#)
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anyone who considers his words as the words of the entire democratic party shouldn't have the right to vote...people are stupid.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:36:15 EST (#)
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sorry for the double post. my internet connection is acting up on me...
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:34:15 EST (#)
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Jack,
corporate whores like myself make more money than soldier, cops, etc, because we work for corporations. the more money the company makes, the higher your salary is able to climb. that's just the way it is and i'm sure you are fully aware of that.
cops, firemen, soldiers, etc, get their paychecks from the tax payers. if we want to pay them more, we have to make cuts in other places or raise taxes, right?
aren't taxes high enough? i paid 40 grand in taxes last year. FORTY FUCKING GRAND.
although i made only a modest living in the military, my salary was quite sufficient and i thank the tax payers for that.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:32:20 EST (#)
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and corporate whores like myself make more money than soldier, cops, etc, because we work for corporations. the more money the company makes, the higher your salary is able to climb. that's just the way it is.
cops, firemen, soldiers, etc, get their paychecks from the tax payers. if we want to pay them more, we have to make cuts in other places or raise taxes, right?
aren't taxes high enough? i paid 40 grand in taxes last year. FORTY FUCKING GRAND.
although i made only a modest living in the military, my salary was quite sufficient and i thank the tax payers for that.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:30:04 EST (#)
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I love this picture
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:25:13 (#)
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I wonder if I could get a grassroots movement to ban the Democratic and Republican parties as a political agency together.
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GC I would gladly join anything of the nature, especially run by someone such as yourself. I could also guarentee many, many of my friends would join as well.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:28:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:13:50 (#)
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How many of the people who plastered those "support the troops" magnets to their car were actively working to *really* support the troops, by not sending them off to watch their friends die or by making sure that a career or an education didn't seem so far from people's grasp that they felt they had to enlist?
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Then how do you explain kids from colleges and universities who volunteered to go to Iraq AFTER the war began? That is a shitload of flukes or misguided choices from people already in institutions of higher learning.
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Again, jack, don't assume I'm saying that the only reason people enlist is to secure an education or a career. I don't believe you can make any all-encompassing statements about any career, and I've been careful not to here. The fact remains, some (NB: SOME) people do enlist because they feel it is the best way to secure either an education or a career. Shit, you've got two guys on this very thread for whom that was the case. It's not a criticism - it's an unfortunate economic and social reality. Read my comment again and see the point that I'm really getting at - there is "supporting the troops" by actually trying to do something to help them out and then there is "supporting the troops" in ways that boil down to show over substance.
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:27:45 EST (#)
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Jack is such a chickenhawk.
Good for you boy!
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:26:13 EST (#)
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Jack, i'm sorry, but i disagree. i don't think putting your life on the line is any more noble than professions that don't require you to put your life on the line.
as i stated before- i was never bothered by being shot at. it didn't make me feel like i was doing something more valuable or noble than a teacher or doctor or social worker, etc, etc. when mortars struck but a 100 feet from me a couple times a week, i did not feel brave. most of the time, me and the others around me ignored it unless they were super close. once, and rpg hit in the row of trailers i lived in. it was a dud, but nevertheless, had it gone off, i would have punched my ticket. the conversation with my buddy in the morning went like this-
me- "get in the shower, man. we gotta be at HQ at 0800."
him- "did you throw rocks at my trailer last night?"
me- "no, an rpg hit right in front of your trailer and threw some rocks up."
him- "oh, ok. see you at 8."
that was one of many nonchalant conversations i had about near certain death. most soldiers aren't scary bitches and don't feel like they deserve special attention just because they got shot at. i don't believe they deserve extra respect simply because they put their lives on the line.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:24:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 (#)
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Filthy, I can understand the logic behind that statement, but at the end of the day it is liberal bullshit.
Soldiers, cops and firefighters go to a job that could kill them every day. Yes, some do it for money, or glory, but the fact is, they could die.
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I could die crossing the street. If I worked in a bank (or an american school, it seems) I could get shot. If I worked down a mine I could get caved in. We could all die at any moment, jack. I'm not going to congratulate someone for being mortal. If you voluntarily enter into a dangerous career then fair play to you, you're a braver man than I - but you know the risks before you go in and when you sign on that piece of paper you're saying "I'm ok with this. I understand this is just part of the job."
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 (#)
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Most of them do not quit. They do not sit back and let the others around them pick up the slack. And rarely will they plead incapacity due to a back back, chronic fatigue syndrome, or any of the other rampant horseshit that has so many in this country furiously sucking on the taxpayer disability teat.
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This is very sketchy rhetoric. I know plenty of admirable people who are not shiftless layabouts - it's not a trait specific to the military. And similarly, I know some soldiers who are utter, utter bastards. You're casting too wide a brush here. And have you considered that the discipline instilled in them (necessarily, if they're going to follow command) during training may play an enormous part in this? Not every goes into the military the same person as they come out as. Don't preference some people over others because they've been taught better.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 (#)
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Now I don't know what the mortality rate is on paper cuts or file cabinet topple and crush incidents, but most of us work at desks, in offices, and we are a lot more safe. And some of us are making more money than those soldiers, cops, and firefighters.
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For the first part, see my first section of comment, and for the second: so pay them more. I'm sure they can do a lot more with your money than your applause.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 (#)
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Every day you hear people shitting on soldiers and cops and firefighters, but when the shit hits the fan, who do most of us turn to?
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You hear people shitting on soldiers every day? Not one day that I've spent in america have I heard anyone shitting on a soldier. Same for the 26 years I spent in Britain. Maybe you should look into changing your social circle.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 (#)
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Am I a fool for saluting people who put themselves on the line and saying 'thank you'?
Then call me a fool. I don't care.
If a soldier or a cop or a firefighter wants to tell me to shove my thanks up my ass, that's his right. If I am the one person he meets in a day or week or month that lets him know his efforts are appreciated, then I'm glad I spoke up.
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Dude, don't misunderstand me here. If you want to thank these people, go for it. But when you are attacking others for not showing the same emotion over a career choice, somethings wrong.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:13:50 EST (#)
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How many of the people who plastered those "support the troops" magnets to their car were actively working to *really* support the troops, by not sending them off to watch their friends die or by making sure that a career or an education didn't seem so far from people's grasp that they felt they had to enlist?
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Then how do you explain kids from colleges and universities who volunteered to go to Iraq AFTER the war began? That is a shitload of flukes or misguided choices from people already in institutions of higher learning.
Submitted by coley (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:09:43 EST (#)
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This made me..
dare I say it...
LOL.
well it was sort of a chuckle but OL nonetheless.
WTF
OMG
ROFLCOPTERRRRRRRRRRR
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:09:37 EST (#)
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Looks like a troop of happy campers.
The joke was well written but poorly executed, like the war in ......., nevermind.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:09:23 EST (#)
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as a veteran, i think what Kerry said is insulting. as i have said before, in my experience, a large percentage of the military joined because they had nowhere else to go. most of those people, because they are, well... dumb. even though i believe that to be true, it absolutely does not mean people like John Kerry should be making jokes about it.
i was in the same position as Monty. i saw it as my only option, but not because i was dumb, but because i wanted to better myself and the crappy college i was going to wasn't going to cut it. i couldn't afford to go to the university my parents paid for my sister to go to. i was paying my own way.
the military made me a better person in almost all aspects of my life, ten fold and i am grateful for that and proud that i got to give back to my country in the process.
i do want to note that i wholeheartedly agree with Filthy on the fact that there are so many other professions that do not recieve near as much recognition as military members. yes, i understand that they are putting their lives on the line, but i have just as much respect for someone who doesn't, like a teacher. in fact, i think it's more noble to brave a classroom of children everyday. i was out in Iraq getting shot at and mortared and i'd take that over dealing with high school students any day. it really didn't bother me that much.
this picture is still hilarious.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:06:31 EST (#)
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hehe
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:03:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:45:35 (#)
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Filthy: I see your point.. But I don't want a bunch of thanks and hurrah kind of crap.. I just want to go home. I honestly don't know how to take it when people DO do that to me, in person. Bemused is the only defining word for my thoughts on that.
I also joined for the education. No $ and a single underfunded junior college serving the entire county meant few real opportunities. I had no marketable skill, I couldn't even wash dishes efficiently.
We've plenty of bright people without the economic wherewithal to pay their way into a school that could match their intellect, and many of them find their calling by enlisting, to discover what they might possibly be good at doing.
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I'm sure you don't want all the hurrah crap. The problem is there is a large section of american society not in the military that are outrageously offended when you don't get it. And to me, the kind of shallow, effortless camaraderie that they want to milk from those who are actually serving is sickening. How many of the people who plastered those "support the troops" magnets to their car were actively working to *really* support the troops, by not sending them off to watch their friends die or by making sure that a career or an education didn't seem so far from people's grasp that they felt they had to enlist?
It's the same thing here - most of the people who are shouting loudest over what Kerry said have no military connection and no concept of the climate they are creating.
Good luck to you dude. Hope you get to come home soon.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-01 19:02:48 EST (#)
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Nutjob below
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:58:25 EST (#)
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It's admirable that people are prepared to put their life on the line for something they believe to be greater, but at the end of the day it's a personal choice that you make for your own personal reasons and if we are going to prostrate ourselves in front of the military as selfless, infallible heros then we need to be doing the same in front of the other groups that also serve the greater good of their society.
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Filthy, I can understand the logic behind that statement, but at the end of the day it is liberal bullshit.
Soldiers, cops and firefighters go to a job that could kill them every day. Yes, some do it for money, or glory, but the fact is, they could die.
Most of them do not quit. They do not sit back and let the others around them pick up the slack. And rarely will they plead incapacity due to a back back, chronic fatigue syndrome, or any of the other rampant horseshit that has so many in this country furiously sucking on the taxpayer disability teat.
Now I don't know what the mortality rate is on paper cuts or file cabinet topple and crush incidents, but most of us work at desks, in offices, and we are a lot more safe. And some of us are making more money than those soldiers, cops, and firefighters.
Every day you hear people shitting on soldiers and cops and firefighters, but when the shit hits the fan, who do most of us turn to?
I felt like this long before 9/11, btw. I'd hear people calling cops pigs and soldiers warmongers and bitching about the fact that firefighters can often get paid to just sit, and wait.
Am I a fool for saluting people who put themselves on the line and saying 'thank you'?
Then call me a fool. I don't care.
If a soldier or a cop or a firefighter wants to tell me to shove my thanks up my ass, that's his right. If I am the one person he meets in a day or week or month that lets him know his efforts are appreciated, then I'm glad I spoke up.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:55:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:28:09 (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:01:57 (#)
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Filthy, its not the "hoo rah military" thing.
Tt's the fact he insinuated we're all stupid/and/or high school dropouts.
The Navy spent 2 years training me in just the BASICS of my job, before they ever sent me to the fleet to become a real sailor. Every single one of us who managed to pass my schooling has nearly the equivalent of a 2 year degree in Electrical Engineering.
That's to say nothing of the education you receive on the job in tactics, first aid, etc.
Navy Enlisted are the ones who go through the schooling to become operators of nuclear reactors. That is about 2 1/2 years of school. Focused training, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I feel insulted and degraded, and I know others do as well. All the services have much more going on in the background than may be readily apparent.
His dated viewpoint as an _officer_ in Vietnam is *not* appreciated.
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Obviously military personnel are going to be affronted by the implication that they're not too bright, but I really think the "hoo rah military thing" is a large factor in the criticism I see coming from people who are not serving and have never served in the military. Yes, it was a stupid thing to say, but I've never known a country to so canonize the armed forces and I think that touchiness plays a large part in the criticism we're currently seeing in the media. I was on a plane from chicago once and you would not believe the venom I recieved for not standing up and applauding at the behest of the flight attendant because two soldiers happened to catch the same plane. Would everyone have stood up and hollered if two nurses or two teachers boarded the plane? What about if the two soldiers had been from Britain instead of America? It's admirable that people are prepared to put their life on the line for something they believe to be greater, but at the end of the day it's a personal choice that you make for your own personal reasons and if we are going to prostrate ourselves in front of the military as selfless, infallible heros then we need to be doing the same in front of the other groups that also serve the greater good of their society.
The irony of the whole thing is, in america that the only way some sections of the community can secure a decent education is to enlist - look at the current crop of army adverts with a black dude telling his mum that they'll pay for his college education with absolutely no mention of the reality that he might end up in a hellhole that nobody should have to be in.
That's not a criticism of the military - that's a criticism of the education system and lack of social equality in that regard. ""
or what i have said numerous times in fun filled posts
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:50:22 EST (#)
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i wuz in da armee but now im in da are nashunal gard!
i wuz also stuk in irak!
but at leest im in colledge!
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:45:35 EST (#)
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Filthy: I see your point.. But I don't want a bunch of thanks and hurrah kind of crap.. I just want to go home. I honestly don't know how to take it when people DO do that to me, in person. Bemused is the only defining word for my thoughts on that.
I also joined for the education. No $ and a single underfunded junior college serving the entire county meant few real opportunities. I had no marketable skill, I couldn't even wash dishes efficiently.
We've plenty of bright people without the economic wherewithal to pay their way into a school that could match their intellect, and many of them find their calling by enlisting, to discover what they might possibly be good at doing.
Thorpe: I agree, but the public whim is very capricious and it happens. I think the split between political parties is just as divisive in the military as it is in the public. Frankly, those of us who are "lifers" as they say, often feel that the people come and go from office far faster than we do... and the strategy overall remains the same.
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:44:00 EST (#)
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hahahah ima pee myself
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:40:00 EST (#)
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i <3 FilthyAssistant.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:28:14 EST (#)
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I'm not blaming you for this reaction by the way, but anyone so offended by this that they would change their vote needs to be strung up.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:28:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:01:57 (#)
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Filthy, its not the "hoo rah military" thing.
Tt's the fact he insinuated we're all stupid/and/or high school dropouts.
The Navy spent 2 years training me in just the BASICS of my job, before they ever sent me to the fleet to become a real sailor. Every single one of us who managed to pass my schooling has nearly the equivalent of a 2 year degree in Electrical Engineering.
That's to say nothing of the education you receive on the job in tactics, first aid, etc.
Navy Enlisted are the ones who go through the schooling to become operators of nuclear reactors. That is about 2 1/2 years of school. Focused training, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I feel insulted and degraded, and I know others do as well. All the services have much more going on in the background than may be readily apparent.
His dated viewpoint as an _officer_ in Vietnam is *not* appreciated.
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Obviously military personnel are going to be affronted by the implication that they're not too bright, but I really think the "hoo rah military thing" is a large factor in the criticism I see coming from people who are not serving and have never served in the military. Yes, it was a stupid thing to say, but I've never known a country to so canonize the armed forces and I think that touchiness plays a large part in the criticism we're currently seeing in the media. I was on a plane from chicago once and you would not believe the venom I recieved for not standing up and applauding at the behest of the flight attendant because two soldiers happened to catch the same plane. Would everyone have stood up and hollered if two nurses or two teachers boarded the plane? What about if the two soldiers had been from Britain instead of America? It's admirable that people are prepared to put their life on the line for something they believe to be greater, but at the end of the day it's a personal choice that you make for your own personal reasons and if we are going to prostrate ourselves in front of the military as selfless, infallible heros then we need to be doing the same in front of the other groups that also serve the greater good of their society.
The irony of the whole thing is, in america that the only way some sections of the community can secure a decent education is to enlist - look at the current crop of army adverts with a black dude telling his mum that they'll pay for his college education with absolutely no mention of the reality that he might end up in a hellhole that nobody should have to be in.
That's not a criticism of the military - that's a criticism of the education system and lack of social equality in that regard.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:25:52 EST (#)
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So there are members of the military that are so insulted by this that they would change their vote?
YOUR COUNTRY IS FUCKING MENTAL.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:24:31 EST (#)
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All our family members care. That's a huge voting pool, and therefore, the politicians running for office care.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:19:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:01:57 (#)
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Filthy, its not the "hoo rah military" thing.
Tt's the fact he insinuated we're all stupid/and/or high school dropouts.
The Navy spent 2 years training me in just the BASICS of my job, before they ever sent me to the fleet to become a real sailor. Every single one of us who managed to pass my schooling has nearly the equivalent of a 2 year degree in Electrical Engineering.
That's to say nothing of the education you receive on the job in tactics, first aid, etc.
Navy Enlisted are the ones who go through the schooling to become operators of nuclear reactors. That is about 2 1/2 years of school. Focused training, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I feel insulted and degraded, and I know others do as well. All the services have much more going on in the background than may be readily apparent.
His dated viewpoint as an _officer_ in Vietnam is *not* appreciated.
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Who cares?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:13:33 EST (#)
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This entire incident is nothing but an opportunity for more smug political shit-slinging by the GOP, and it's so absurd, it makes me want to break all my stemware and walk barefoot on the jagged pieces.
However, that doesn't change the fact that John Kerry is an uptight, personality-challenged embarrassment, who can't even do one of the easiest things ever (i.e. Bush-bashing) without fucking it up and making himself look like a TOTAL. FUCKING. RETARD.
In conclusion, all politicians are worthless pieces of scum who should hang themselves immediately. God, I can't wait for midterm elections to be over.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:09:31 EST (#)
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ahahahahaha
Iraq was fun.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:06:49 EST (#)
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It makes it even more funny if you read it with a 'Forrest Gump' voice.
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 18:01:57 EST (#)
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Filthy, its not the "hoo rah military" thing.
Tt's the fact he insinuated we're all stupid/and/or high school dropouts.
The Navy spent 2 years training me in just the BASICS of my job, before they ever sent me to the fleet to become a real sailor. Every single one of us who managed to pass my schooling has nearly the equivalent of a 2 year degree in Electrical Engineering.
That's to say nothing of the education you receive on the job in tactics, first aid, etc.
Navy Enlisted are the ones who go through the schooling to become operators of nuclear reactors. That is about 2 1/2 years of school. Focused training, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I feel insulted and degraded, and I know others do as well. All the services have much more going on in the background than may be readily apparent.
His dated viewpoint as an _officer_ in Vietnam is *not* appreciated.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:52:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:40:59 (#)
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OK, what exactly did the guy say???
I thought he just said "Finish your education or you'll end up stuck in Iraq" which isn't worth a second of attention let alone all this. I must be missing something outrageous the guy also said.
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He said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
His office are saying that it was a quip that he fucked up, that should have read somewhere along the lines of: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."
Neither remark is really worthy of media coverage, but in the US even the slightest hint of not masturbating yourself to orgasm at the mere mention of the military appears to be a cardinal sin.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:47:11 EST (#)
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Ignorant bastards, every one of them.
(Awesome awesome awesome picture!)
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:44:44 EST (#)
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HAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHHA
Well played.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:40:59 EST (#)
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OK, what exactly did the guy say???
I thought he just said "Finish your education or you'll end up stuck in Iraq" which isn't worth a second of attention let alone all this. I must be missing something outrageous the guy also said.
Submitted by LongestPants (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:38:47 EST (#)
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Ba ha ha!
Submitted by wookie (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:32:26 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:28:04 EST (#)
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I am scared now.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:27:02 EST (#)
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The code of the schoolyard, Marge! The rules that teach a boy how to
be a man! Let's see; don't tattle, always make fun of those different
from you, never say anything unless you're sure everyone feels exactly
the same way you do.
-- Homer Simpson
Bart the General
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:25:13 EST (#)
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Filthy, sadly, it WILL tilt some votes. Which is why his entire party is offloading his appearances and running for the hills, before the hammer of public disapproval comes down.
I wonder if I could get a grassroots movement to ban the Democratic and Republican parties as a political agency together.
Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:20:40 EST (#)
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About time they called on a real American hero
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:19:34 EST (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:06 (#)
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The election is lost because of him.
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Bullshit. Even a monkey could forge a successfull anti-republican campaign in the current climate - if the democrats lose out, they only have themselves (collectively) to blame. How much more ammo does the republican party have to give them?
As an aside, if anyone is going to change their vote because they misconstrued one comment from one man rather than looking at the party policies and bigger picture, then they barely deserve the responsibility of a vote.
Submitted by Crystle (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:19:24 EST (#)
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that pikshur is guld!
Submitted by GodChicken (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:15:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:06 (#)
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As a liberal, every time I hear that clip of John Kerry saying what he said, I scream inside my mind "Shut up! Shut up! SHUUUT UUPP!"
He's committed political suicide, and given Bush a hell of a lot to feed off of and read into. The election is lost because of him.
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I agree, and I weep inside as I consider what to do with my pets and personal belongings when my next involuntary recall to active duty comes, or my company slates me to head to Iraq again for my 3rd tour.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:06 EST (#)
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As a liberal, every time I hear that clip of John Kerry saying what he said, I scream inside my mind "Shut up! Shut up! SHUUUT UUPP!"
He's committed political suicide, and given Bush a hell of a lot to feed off of and read into. The election is lost because of him.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-01 17:14:02 EST (#)
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Heh.