Governments by Fisher Price (574 hits)
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Submitted by Hit The Left <meeat.g.at.thehawk.mil (View user info) at 2006-11-05 08:26:57 EST
The whole trial on Saddam was and is bullshit. America overthrew the Iraqi government to establish a new one and some of the local Iraqis running with the U.S. are just nodding their heads in approval without even asking for this "freedom" in the first place; it just kind of seems like they are sort of faking it somehow, but maybe that's just me. Freedom from what anyway? Iraq looks like a wasteland now, even worse than before America went there to fight SADDAM AND THAM DAMN TERROIST. Wait, THAM DAMN TERRIOST weren't really in there at first... oh well.
Different judges, people getting killed, Saddam acking like a royal jackass in court and basically calling bullshit on this fisher price government they have set up is the story of this "trial". Shouldn't this shit have lasted about a week tops before they went and asked him what he wanted on his tombstone (pizza)?
The dude's going to die, so what? What hope could it bring? Will it not stir more anger amoungst those who say we are stealing into their lands? Insurgents are pouring into Iraq at the chance to fight; they have a great cause. Hardly any Americans believe we should be there, and the proof is in the pudding when you look at how "terrorists" are still setting off IED's at an even greater pace, killing an increasing number of service members. While all this is happening more and more "terrorists" are falling as well, watering the seeds of hatred more intensely with each bullet that manages to find its way to human flesh.
Even that Brit army general said we're just making it worse chilling over there. What are we doing, and why Iraq? There's plently of fucked up places to "free", and considering the fact that the military was overtaken in a few days (I was out there) it doesn't seem like there was that much of a threat, and as far as the freedom argument goes, why don't we say that every government that isn't a democracy like ours is not "free" and then go free them. We are gluttonous with our freedoms (well not so now that "security" is the new goal in life, and protecting freedom is accomplished by taking it away), these countries have one ISP that could block ubersite if they deemed it and you couldn't say SHIT if you lived there, lest you find a noose around your neck. So, that's not FREEDOM right? We better go free them from oppression then before its to late!
I just read that the police are having major problems now because corrupt officals are running wild through their ranks. American military officers are estimating decades before a government can truely be cemented there, all the while the politicians keep saying "everything is ok, we'll be done in a minute", or "everything is totally fucked up and we're all going to die because of George W. Bush and his entourage of republican badmen".
Now that I think about it those supporting the war are kind of like my father when I was about 5; he used to drink at bars and take me with him to play pool and I would ask when we are leaving and he would say "5 minutes" over and over again until I was totally convinced that we were not leaving ever. I then waited in the truck while play-sniping people coming out of the bars.
"When are we leaving Iraq boss? Oh, just 5 more minutes guys, go wait in the tank."
I also hate the fact that you can't talk about this without people going into an uproar because you "aren't supporting the military". What does this have to do with the military? They are just executing orders and that has nothing to do with these stupid politics. They do what they are told, bound by codes of jurisdiction that civilians casually walk past. They can't "quit".
Last but not least, don't beat off with Vick's Vapor Rub. It is not a good experiment and it is not easy to abort the mission, as it was said. That stuff STAYS on.
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Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-08 09:55:07 EST (#)
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"We have plenty of boring liberals on this site already. You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better to justify this crap."
I'm not a liberal you fucking chode smoker! I for one call for the execution of all murderers, rapists, and other scumb suckers because there is enough people on this planet already, we don't need all these useless assholes taking up valauble breathing air. I also support abortion because why bring a child into the world when they will get treated like shit because their parents didn't want him/her enough to actually consider killing him/her off?
I only call bullshit on things I notice, and that war is plain old fashioned bullshit in principle. No weapons of super-incredible destruction, a "hostile" and "threatening" regime that was taken over in DAYS, and some rinky-dink government that is surrounded by people who have a hard-on for blowing shit up to fight us "infidels".
America will NEVER be appealing to Islamic fundamentalists, sorry to say it but our trash (Pop singers, aka sluts, and other morons are propegating their influence to other countries making almost everyone else imitate us on at least some level. Our popularity is always going to piss them off.
Oh and...
The proof is in the pudding is a valid idiom! You are already supposed to know that eating it is how you get the proof, unless you need it explained so you don't accidentally think:
"The proof of the pudding is in shoving it up your ass."
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-11-06 19:43:11 EST (#)
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We have plenty of boring liberals on this site already. You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better to justify this crap.
Submitted by FuckTheArmy (user info) at 2006-11-06 19:26:59 EST (#)
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So what's your solution?
We haven't got democracy in the west, I don't think western governments should be pushing their bullshit anywhere else - There is a systematic abuse here, caused by the drive for global domination.
A systematic abuse? Change the system. It may not be easy, or well-accepted, but it's the only solution (as opposed to compromise).
Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2006-11-06 16:22:01 EST (#)
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as was i. such a disapointment
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-06 16:18:15 EST (#)
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I was expecting a picture of Saddam's trial with those little Fisher-Price people.
Submitted by Siren (user info) at 2006-11-05 16:33:00 EST (#)
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Ok.
Mmmmm, pudding.
Submitted by Sandecki (user info) at 2006-11-05 14:23:06 EST (#)
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Did ETS reproduce?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-05 12:37:21 EST (#)
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ps- don't use carmex as butt lube in a pinch. it won't work out very well for either of you.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-05 12:28:51 EST (#)
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i was there as a civilian for a year. i traveled in and around Baghdad a lot. i didn't have the same experience you did. you most certainly had more interaction with the people.
funny story- one night me and another guy snuck onto an SF base, armed only with a Gerber, broke into the headquarters building, and got all the way to the roof of a 4 story building and got out without being detected.
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2006-11-05 12:15:43 EST (#)
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With SF we stayed embedded in with the people and other soldiers so I really had a lot of time to talk to them. I am sure there are a lot of people that are skeptical, especially since they probably were also under the assumption that it would be possible to enter the country and create a perfect government and end all civil war in a few months. I am not sure where you were either but when you are dealing with the people, especially outside Baghdad you can really get a feel for the oppression they suffered and the relief they felt when we showed up.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2006-11-05 12:04:22 EST (#)
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moneyshotforyou- i don't know who you talked to, but most of the Iraqis i talked to said they didn't trust the US motives for being there. none of them actually said they "hated" the US, at least not to my face, but their stance was clear and simple- they didn't agree with this "war". i had one man tell me he was glad we were there. a guy from Sadr City that gave me a haircut. i suspect he just wanted a good tip because he didn't seem very sincere.
i may go back to Baghdad for a month or two after christmas. i will probably be traveling around a lot, so i think i will ask some more people what the current concensus is. hidden101's "man on the street" quiz. i hope i don't get shot.
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2006-11-05 09:46:33 EST (#)
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Everybody thinks that Iraq was a failure due to the cival war they are having (and did before we got there) and currently poor government.
hap
Don't forget it took the US nearly 300 years to get its government together and there has never been total happiness with that.
Saddam was a criminal that deserved the death penalty. Even if it does cause the civil war to escalate for a period of time. The man should not walk free because terrorists threaten to kill people if they don't free him.
I was in Iraq before and after the war. The people were extremely happy to be receiving the help from the US and other countries. They could not manage to free themselves and each attempt was dealt with harshly. ie. the use of WMD's on the Kurdish people.
I know everyone wants to say that our government is bad and we are shit but when you actually get a chance to talk to people in the country without a government filtering it or a news reporter leading the conversation you may come to understand what is actually happening.
Till then, go on with your bad self.
Submitted by ICO (user info) at 2006-11-05 09:21:41 EST (#)
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Jesus, look at prof.fuckface. Go kill something to let out that anger. I'm sure you will, anyway.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2006-11-05 09:08:44 EST (#)
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I've never heard the saying about pudding, but was just having a craving for the banana kind my mom makes.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-11-05 09:03:45 EST (#)
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FYI........
[Q] From Terry Cleary: "I have heard BBC reporters say 'the proof is in the pudding'. Surely the phrase should be 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'."
[A] Indeed it should.
However, the version you quote is a form that has been appearing with increasing frequency in books and newspapers, so we ought not to single out the BBC for censure. As another recent instance, the Boston Herald had this in its issue of 3 February 2004: "While the team's first Super Bowl victory back in 2002 could be explained away by some skeptics as a fluke, the second victory is the proof in the pudding in cementing the Pats' status as the cream of the NFL crop."
But examples can be found in American newspapers at least as far back as the 1920s and it became relatively common from the middle 1950s onwards. Slightly different versions also turn up from time to time, such as this about a charity considering its links with Michael Jackson, "Until there's some proof in the pudding, we will continue to remain neutral" (The Grand Rapids Press, 30 November 2003), and about an election in Canada, "I guess that the proof in the pudding will be on Oct. 2" (Toronto Star, 29 September 2003).
The principal trouble with the proof is in the pudding is that it makes no sense. What has happened is that writers half-remember the proverb as the proof of the pudding, which is also unintelligible unless you know the full form from which the tag was taken, and have modified it in various ways in unsuccessful attempts to turn it into something sensible.
They wouldn't make this mistake if they knew two important facts. The full proverb is indeed the proof of the pudding is in the eating and proof has the sense of "test" (as it also has, or used to have, in phrases such as proving-ground and printer's proof). The proverb literally says that you won't know whether food has been cooked properly until you try it. Or, putting it figuratively, don't assume that something is in order or believe what you are told, but judge the matter by testing it; it's much the same philosophy as in seeing is believing and actions speak louder than words.
The proverb is ancient—it has been traced back to 1300 and was popularised by Cervantes in his Don Quixote of 1605. It's sad that it has lasted so long, only to be corrupted in modern times.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:58:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:54:50 (#)
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No, the proof is IN the pudding; said proof can be obtained by eating, for the proof is in the taste. Noting the eating part is completely unecessary unless you are a dolt, you know, that thing you are.
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"The proof is in the pudding" is an incomplete statement. Proof of what?
If you insist on including old idioms, at least get them right.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:55:26 EST (#)
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You're right about the military being a bunch of pawns with no input. You're also
right about Vicks. OUCH!!
Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:54:50 EST (#)
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No, the proof is IN the pudding; said proof can be obtained by eating, for the proof is in the taste. Noting the eating part is completely unecessary unless you are a dolt, you know, that thing you are.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:51:53 EST (#)
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I also hate the fact that you can't talk about this without people going into an uproar because you "aren't supporting the military". What does this have to do with the military? They are just executing orders and that has nothing to do with these stupid politics. They do what they are told, bound by codes of jurisdiction that civilians casually walk past. They can't "quit".
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This point is going to be missed by so many people.
I think you are entitled to your opinion with having people jump all over you.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:46:42 EST (#)
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I'm getting really tired of you dolts misquoting an old saying. The proper form of the saying
is: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." See the FUCKING difference?????
Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:39:59 EST (#)
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heh. ok squattail.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:34:34 EST (#)
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don't call yourself a troop if you are going to post shit like this, call yourself a traitor, fuck off
Submitted by MeeatG (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:32:57 EST (#)
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i am a troop and i support myself, but i don't support the fakeness of that trial or that government.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-11-05 08:31:15 EST (#)
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hey man why don't you just support the troops and shut the fuck up