A Clear Conscience (A letter to my congressman-elect, Brad Ellsworth) (1529 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-11-13 12:34:32 EST
Dear Mr. Ellsworth,
First let me say congratulations on your recent victory in Indiana's 8th Congressional district. Your win has given some measure of hope for those of us, like myself, who live in the district, voted for you, and are tired of the criminal way in which our beloved country is being run. For too long our policy makers have found it more advantageous to forsake the honor of their office and look the other way while our national principles were compromised by a runaway neo-con agenda.
To even begin to make a comprehensive list of their infractions would require more of our time than I believe is befitting a letter such as this. Suffice it to say, a lot of us see what's been going on in our country and around the world and are both pissed off and saddened.
Our liberties have been compromised, sir, and our world made a more dangerous place because of the activities of those that have held the reigns of power for the last six years. What's worse, there is a preponderance of evidence, if one cares to take notice of it, that supports the claim that elements in our own government were either complicit or directly responsible for the very event upon which this worldwide "war on terror" has been illegally waged.
I humbly submit to you that unless REAL, IMPARTIAL inquiries into this matter are undertaken, the wounds created on 9/11/2001 can never fully heal, and our country will not only lose its place in the hierarchy of world trust, but will collapse under the weight of its own lies.
For five long years we have waited for true justice. For five long years we have watched while the priceless liberties we've enjoyed for 220 years have been eroded and undermined by misguided, or perhaps malicious, "anti-terrorist" legislation. For five long years we have asked the questions: why did Building 7 really collapse? Why did NORAD stand down? How was it that the Pentagon, the nation's defensive nerve center, in the most defended airspace on the planet, was stricken? And why was the public prevented from seeing the other video evidence of the strike to that building? Why were claims of bombs planted in the World Trade Center by firefighters on that day never fully investigated or even taken seriously by the 9/11 Commission?
I ask all these questions along with a growing number of my awakening countrymen, and though we are not surprised, we are saddened to see that our leaders seem to care not for the answers. Nor do they seem willing to do their duty in protecting the Constitution of these United States by raising more than an eyebrow at the administration's admitted spying and data-mining programs, their arrest of American citizens, or their indefinite detention without charge. They choose to attack the messengers rather than the source.
Anyone who has been paying a modicum of attention to the events of the last 5 or 6 years can't help but notice the eerie and disturbing similarities of our current government and that of the National Socialist (Nazi) movement in Germany in the 1930s. At the very least, we as citizens of this country deserve to have these fears allayed by more than a congressional bone-throwing. Sir, "we the people" deserve a full investigation. We deserve to have our country back!
What we do not deserve is for the party we have now elected to represent us as the majority in Congress to lose its nerve and fail in its appointed duty to weed out the corruption and criminality that has soiled our great nation's good name throughout the world. We do not deserve to hear from the Pelosis, the Conyers, and the Deans that impeachment is "off the table". http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/tilove111006.html
How can any true pursuer of justice say that? If justice and truth is what one seeks, no options should be considered "off the table" prior to any real investigation, and those that say that should, perhaps, be investigated themselves! As my representative, I fully expect you to resist the party line on this issue. I expect you to have more integrity than to tow the party line for political strategy at the expense of truth and justice. I should not, as a resident of Indiana and citizen of this country, be made to feel as if I am simply naïve by believing that these things still exist.
As Americans, we should be able to hold our head high as we travel abroad, proclaiming proudly that, yes, we are American, and we come from the greatest nation on earth! We should not have to make excuses or apologies for the things our country has done in our name!
Please, if there is a shred of integrity in your heart, if you desire to see your children grow up in a country they can be proud of, follow your conscience and do the right thing. Now that the people of the 8th district have elected you overwhelmingly to office, it is time to show what you're really made of. Now that you have accepted this great responsibility, make the people of your district proud by being a seeker of truth and a pursuer of justice in this national time of need!
Whatever you do, please follow your conscience. Please do not blindly follow the established politicians of either stripe, for we both know that, given enough room, they would do exactly what their predecessors had done, robbing the American people of a better future in exchange for personal gain. Be a leader...be a true representative. Ask questions...demand answers. Above all, follow your conscience, for it is what leads us to truth.
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." - John 8:32
"Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water." - Hebrews 10:22
Thank you for your time.
Your truth-seeking constituent,
Brad Linzy
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Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-11-17 13:32:12 EST (#)
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Doesn't anyone NOT say what they think anymore? It's getting really grating.
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2006-11-17 00:42:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:53:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:14:55 (#)
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It's not "inflammatory".
If the fucking Hindenberg is going down and people are jumping off the fucker to their deaths, do you report that it landed safely and happily in a field of fucking flowers???
Calling it as I see it and being able to back up my position with facts is NOT "inflammatory" in itself. Of course, ANYTHING CAN be "inflammatory". "Inflammatory" is a subjective quality that exists in the eyes of the perceiver. Sometimes this response is the result of a deliberate evocative attempt, and sometimes it is an unintended byproduct resulting from misreading of what is said and meant.
I harbor no ill will toward Brad Ellsworth; in fact, I congratulated him on his victory... If what I said is taken by him to be "inflammatory", then he obviously needs to hear what I say even more than I thought, because he clearly doesn't understand the gravity of the situation.
Being "inflammatory" is easy...all you have to do is possess the ability to breathe and a pulse. Having the ability to decipher motive and think critically based only on FACTS and not personal preconceptions is the rarer faculty.
Unfortunately, some of you do not seem to possess it. Hopefully, Mr. Ellsworth does not share this handicap.
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OK mate.
Whatever. You wrote a letter previously that I +2'd because I thought you were at last doing something. This letter does not compare to that one.
I just feel that this one will be treated differently (i.e. Thrown in the bin) because it could have been written in a fashion that would have demanded to be read. As soon as this man or any one of his lackeys reaches the 'pissed off' part or 'Nazi' part they will a) throw it away... at best, b) send it to the feds.
You can argue all day with me the terms of inflammatory but this man needs a reason to put letters to one side and I think you have given him more than enough reason to do this with this letter.
It's no skin off my nose mate.
As I say
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:44:24 EST (#)
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BYU scientist?! AHAHAHAHAHA!!
The mormons know how to pull the wool over folks eyes. What a phony position that one is.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:35:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:38:03 (#)
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I was talking about people like BYU scientist, Steven Jones and countless other professionals who have either been ridiculed or lost their jobs over speaking out on 9/11.
You people just presumed I was talking about myself. And as far as socially, I have seen some repercussions. My job isn't important enough for it to matter professionally.
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Who lost their job?
Steven Jones is still, unfortunatley, working. Even after he showed he didn't posess the mental capacity to write a paper that can pass peer review.
The only guy I know of who lost his job is one who lied about the work he did in a measurement company.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:19:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:09:00 (#)
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I can write your congressman as well, Mr. Linzy.
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Dear Mr. Ellsworth,
You are not my congressman, but I feel I have a duty to write you.
Recently you have received a letter by a constituent named Brad Linzy. I apologize for his incoherent ramblings due to the fact he is off his prescribed medications.
Mr. Linzy is a deranged individual and is not to be taken lightly. I highly suggest you forward the letter to the FBI to aid them in their continued investigation already in place.
He has a deathwish and has made public comments on his eventual and imminent demise via death by cop/government law enforcement official.
Reference: http://ubersite.com/m/94774#2195025
Mr. Linzy is not the kind of individual you want associated with yourself or your campaign.
Congratulations on your recent election victory. Hopefully the correspondence from Mr. Linzy will be minimal and not nearly disturbing as much of the material he has written and is available on the internet.
Thank you.
Scott Board
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Wow, no one has ever done anything like this before! It's so impressive!
Going out of one's way to ridicule a man for raising concerns over something no one wants to hear about isn't an old story at all!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:14:55 EST (#)
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It's not "inflammatory".
If the fucking Hindenberg is going down and people are jumping off the fucker to their deaths, do you report that it landed safely and happily in a field of fucking flowers???
Calling it as I see it and being able to back up my position with facts is NOT "inflammatory" in itself. Of course, ANYTHING CAN be "inflammatory". "Inflammatory" is a subjective quality that exists in the eyes of the perceiver. Sometimes this response is the result of a deliberate evocative attempt, and sometimes it is an unintended byproduct resulting from misreading of what is said and meant.
I harbor no ill will toward Brad Ellsworth; in fact, I congratulated him on his victory... If what I said is taken by him to be "inflammatory", then he obviously needs to hear what I say even more than I thought, because he clearly doesn't understand the gravity of the situation.
Being "inflammatory" is easy...all you have to do is possess the ability to breathe and a pulse. Having the ability to decipher motive and think critically based only on FACTS and not personal preconceptions is the rarer faculty.
Unfortunately, some of you do not seem to possess it. Hopefully, Mr. Ellsworth does not share this handicap.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-14 12:09:00 EST (#)
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I can write your congressman as well, Mr. Linzy.
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Dear Mr. Ellsworth,
You are not my congressman, but I feel I have a duty to write you.
Recently you have received a letter by a constituent named Brad Linzy. I apologize for his incoherent ramblings due to the fact he is off his prescribed medications.
Mr. Linzy is a deranged individual and is not to be taken lightly. I highly suggest you forward the letter to the FBI to aid them in their continued investigation already in place.
He has a deathwish and has made public comments on his eventual and imminent demise via death by cop/government law enforcement official.
Reference: http://ubersite.com/m/94774#2195025
Mr. Linzy is not the kind of individual you want associated with yourself or your campaign.
Congratulations on your recent election victory. Hopefully the correspondence from Mr. Linzy will be minimal and not nearly disturbing as much of the material he has written and is available on the internet.
Thank you.
Scott Board
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:47:40 EST (#)
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I think i'll also claim that's an acceptance that the letter content IS inflamatory.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:46:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:43:24 (#)
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The bottom line is this...
The guy is MY congressman. I will use whatever goddamned language I deem necessary in communicating with him. You folks can use whatever kind of language YOU deem necessary with your own congressman.
We could argue methods all day, but at the end of it, these are MINE and mine alone. Disagree all you like. Being completely cordial, I have found, especially with regards to 9/11 questioning, gets one nowhere.
I articulated my concerns exactly the way I wanted to. Like it or don't. It's none of my concern
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Excuse me. I thought you posted it for feedback.
Good luck with the reply dude.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:43:24 EST (#)
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The bottom line is this...
The guy is MY congressman. I will use whatever goddamned language I deem necessary in communicating with him. You folks can use whatever kind of language YOU deem necessary with your own congressman.
We could argue methods all day, but at the end of it, these are MINE and mine alone. Disagree all you like. Being completely cordial, I have found, especially with regards to 9/11 questioning, gets one nowhere.
I articulated my concerns exactly the way I wanted to. Like it or don't. It's none of my concern,
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:38:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:14:30 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:47:33 (#)
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Why anyone would act like retarded 3-year-old and ridicule those who risk personal detriment, be it socially or professionally, in the search for fundamental truths is beyond me... """
yep.
you are well up there with Nelson Mandella.
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I was talking about people like BYU scientist, Steven Jones and countless other professionals who have either been ridiculed or lost their jobs over speaking out on 9/11.
You people just presumed I was talking about myself. And as far as socially, I have seen some repercussions. My job isn't important enough for it to matter professionally.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:26:16 EST (#)
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This was, however, NOT my goal. Neither was my goal to be inflammatory. To that end, I don't think this was in the least inflammatory. I expressed my concerns about the loss of civil liberties, the strategic, non-justice-seeking pardon of president Bush by the leading democrats, and bulleted some of the questions I'd like answered about 9/11 and the so-called "war on terror". If you read this letter in full, you will see that I did just that.
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I read the letter in full, believe me.
You think comparing the administration to the Nazi party is not inflammatory?
You think using the term 'Pissed off' to an elected member of government/congress (whatever) isn't inflammatory?
Claiming that your liberties have been compromised directly due to those in charge is not inflammatory?
ETS, I have no interest in your rage against the administration or your perceived opportunity here to engage in some intellectual battle about your beliefs.
I have said this again and again, I agree with a lot of what you say.
Now.......
You HONESTLY think this letter isn't 'in the least inflammatory?'
If you continue to claim that this letter is in NO WAY inflammatory you will only achieve lowering yourself in mine and I fear many others estimations.
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You ask how much good it will do... You ask me if I understand how congressmen operate... You ask me to write letters that are completely reticent and unassuming, devoid of all personal feeling, simply because it's an official correspondence with MY PUBLIC SERVANT... These questions should answer themselves.
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I do no such thing.
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Perhaps you should rethink what you believe this letter was for.
And as for your assertion that I am merely doing this for some kind of adolescent quality attention, you're sorely mistaken. How is it you people can routinely mistake a passion for truth for attention-seeking immaturity? No one more than myself wishes I didn't have to write such a letter to a congressman. I'd much prefer that my government knew how to act responsibly and do the right things without having to be reminded that people are watching. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way.
You ask if this letter will do any good; the answer is no.
But the question you SHOULD be asking yourself is: would 1000 others just like it from people all over the district do any good? The answer to that slowly ventures into the terrain of "maybe" and "God-willing".
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Not going to happen if those other 1000 letters adopt the same language and insinuations that this one does.
I believe that you know this but would rather argue the toss.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:19:58 EST (#)
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How's that petition coming along Brad?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:14:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:47:33 (#)
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Why anyone would act like retarded 3-year-old and ridicule those who risk personal detriment, be it socially or professionally, in the search for fundamental truths is beyond me... """
yep.
you are well up there with Nelson Mandella.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 11:06:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 05:25:22 (#)
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Brad, again I ask.... do you, as an intelligent young man, REALLY BELIEIVE that the letter you wrote, this one that is posted above, would really get you a SATISFACTORY response?
I'm a complete fucking idiot and I REALISE that if I wrote that letter it would be ignored at best and act as inflamatory at worse.
You COULD have worded it so much better, but I think you are pissed that the FBI are not interested in you and that your ranting isn't getting the publicity that you feel it deserves.
THIS letter reads 'look guys, look how far I'm prepared to go' more than it does 'I really want an answer to the questions I'm asking'
I could write a letter like that tomorrow and post it to someone, I KNOW it'd get ignored whereas a more intelligently written less aggresive more rounded letter would be far more valuable.
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No, now that you mention it, I DO NOT believe this letter will garner a satisfactory response. You're misunderstanding the purpose of the letter. The purpose of the letter was to merely inform this man, this congressman, that there ARE people in his district who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and the "war on terror" is nothing more than a grand excuse to grab the assets of other countries, particularly those in the middle east, and to scare the population into adhering to a mindset of giving up liberties in exchange for a false sense of security.
I, for one, thought I was particularly cordial in light of my expectation that he will not even respond, or if he does respond, will do so with a canned response designed to obscure his position on the matter. This letter gave him the benefit of the doubt and was well reserved in that regard.
This letter was designed to clue him in on some of my concerns and urge him to keep his eyes open once in congress and be mindful that everything he does regarding foreign policy issues should take these things into consideration.
Could I have composed a carbon copy letter that kissed his ass and asked nothing of him of any particular controversy? Of course I could have. I know perfectly well how to compose a run-of-the-mill, unobtrusive letter that will ruffle no feathers and garner no attention.
This was, however, NOT my goal. Neither was my goal to be inflammatory. To that end, I don't think this was in the least inflammatory. I expressed my concerns about the loss of civil liberties, the strategic, non-justice-seeking pardon of president Bush by the leading democrats, and bulleted some of the questions I'd like answered about 9/11 and the so-called "war on terror". If you read this letter in full, you will see that I did just that.
You ask how much good it will do... You ask me if I understand how congressmen operate... You ask me to write letters that are completely reticent and unassuming, devoid of all personal feeling, simply because it's an official correspondence with MY PUBLIC SERVANT... These questions should answer themselves.
Perhaps you should rethink what you believe this letter was for.
And as for your assertion that I am merely doing this for some kind of adolescent quality attention, you're sorely mistaken. How is it you people can routinely mistake a passion for truth for attention-seeking immaturity? No one more than myself wishes I didn't have to write such a letter to a congressman. I'd much prefer that my government knew how to act responsibly and do the right things without having to be reminded that people are watching. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way.
You ask if this letter will do any good; the answer is no.
But the question you SHOULD be asking yourself is: would 1000 others just like it from people all over the district do any good? The answer to that slowly ventures into the terrain of "maybe" and "God-willing".
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-14 06:59:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:47:33 (#)
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Why anyone would act like retarded 3-year-old and ridicule those who risk personal detriment, be it socially or professionally, in the search for fundamental truths is beyond me...
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Climb down off your fucking cross, you haven't risked a damn thing and you never will.
You love the spotlight your "fight for truth" gives you as far as acting like a retarded 3-year-old, look in the mirror. Nobody tries to answer your questions because they have been answered a hundred times, but you are too childish to listen to reasn or too stupid to get it.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 05:25:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:47:33 (#)
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Well, I can't say I'm disappointed with the response this post generated. It's about what I expected, as per usual.
I do remain, however, disappointed that so few of my own countrymen seem to understand the weight of such considerations as were put forth in this post and many others I have posted just like it.
How some of you can be so goddamned selfish and cowardly that you ridicule those of us who demand answers to the most fundamental of questions is now more a source of personal sadness than surprise.
It shouldn't surprise any of us who possess any memory of high school social structures that there are cowards out there who love to ridicule anything different than themselves or anyone who THINKS differently than themselves. This attitude is neither anything new or anything special or unique. In fact, this attitude has been the pervasive one since before man had a language. I am probably as guilty of it as anyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that there are some very precise and heavy questions that need to be answered by some very specific people in our own government who are REFUSING to answer them.
Why anyone would act like retarded 3-year-old and ridicule those who risk personal detriment, be it socially or professionally, in the search for fundamental truths is beyond me...
But of course I'm just crazy so what do I know...
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Brad, again I ask.... do you, as an intelligent young man, REALLY BELIEIVE that the letter you wrote, this one that is posted above, would really get you a SATISFACTORY response?
I'm a complete fucking idiot and I REALISE that if I wrote that letter it would be ignored at best and act as inflamatory at worse.
You COULD have worded it so much better, but I think you are pissed that the FBI are not interested in you and that your ranting isn't getting the publicity that you feel it deserves.
THIS letter reads 'look guys, look how far I'm prepared to go' more than it does 'I really want an answer to the questions I'm asking'
I could write a letter like that tomorrow and post it to someone, I KNOW it'd get ignored whereas a more intelligently written less aggresive more rounded letter would be far more valuable.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-14 03:58:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:33:13 (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:10:33 (#)
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When you sat and wrote this letter did you REALLY BELIEVE that it's tone and content would elicit you with a satisfactory response?
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It's tone and content should be immaterial in deciding whether or not it illicits a response. Ellsworth is the elected *representative* of the people in his district and therefore it is his job to listen to the concerns of all those people, not just the concerns of the people he happens to agree with.
Don't you think it's sad that all we ever expect from our agents in government is a canned response from a minion? They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
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When you sat and wrote this letter did you REALLY BELIEVE that it's tone and content would elicit you with a *satisfactory* response?
Please do not answer questions that I didn't ask.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-14 00:16:48 EST (#)
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Yet you fail miserably to answer a single question I posed. Typical.
If YOU are the measure of mindfulness, I'm more than happy to remain a fool. Now go fuck yourself.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 23:38:58 EST (#)
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You, sir, are a complete fool. You bought into the mindlessness found on conspiracy theory websites and amateur video. Change your account name to Chupa Chup because that is EXACTLY what you are.
I'm afraid nobody can convince you otherwise and I certainly won't try. I can just join your local congressman by placing your name in the "lunatic: avoid at all costs" category.
Have a nice day, sir. Maybe you'll find peace because it won't ever come to you through politics or conspiracy theorizing.
Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2006-11-13 22:49:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 22:11:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 21:08:00 (#)
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I want an independent inquiry into incursions into our country from elements from the past. There is someone abusing the space-time continuum!
There is evidence that individuals are coming here and stealing socks from my house leaving me with only one out of originally a pair of them. I DEMAND IT FROM MY GOVERNMENT! Come to my house with the experts, foot the bill for it all! Investigate my wild, ridiculous claims that can only be believed by morons and fools.
I'll call anyone that doesn't believe in my nutty theory a cog in the machine and a government drone.
What's wrong with coming to my house and at least checking it out?
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The difference is, there is an alternate explanation for your missing socks that makes sense. They are stuck in other clothing you haven't yet worn. They were left in the machine. They were dropped outside the machine. They were separated when you kicked one of them accidentally under the bed....
Nothing and noone has yet explained to me how building 7 was destroyed by fire, or fell at freefall speed, straight down into its own pretty footprint.
Neither has anyone explained to me why molten steel was found at the site months after the event with the chemical characteristics of thermate use.
No one has properly explained to me why NORAD was doing "drills" that day or why 14 jets had been relocated hundreds of miles away.
No one has explained to me why in the video of the collapses of the twin towers I see demolition squibs coming out of floors that are a good 400 feet below the collapse point, or how those buildings came down at freefall speed in perfect, uniform symmetry even after at least one of them displayed a momentum toward lateral toppling at the beginning of the collapse.
No one has explained to me why we haven't been shown the other footage that exist from the Pentagon "atack".
No one has explained to me why even the FBI has not and CANNOT charge Bin Laden with planning the event because, according to the FBI spokesman, [paraphrasing] "there isn't enough evidence to bring about charges".
No one has explained why there are two time stamps on the Muhammad Atta airport security tape that read different things, or why it's taken at the wrong fucking airport!
No one has explained to me why at least 7 of the supposed 19 hijackers are STILL ALIVE!
No one has explained why the FBI reported finding a passport on the streets of New York, or why they later retracted that statement, THEN said later "it's a rumor that may or may not be true"! [I mean...what the fuck...get your fucking story straight.]
No one has explained to me why the hijackers would have left entire suitcases in the airport lobbies filled with what the FBI described as "hijacker training materials" and other paraphernalia that could have given away their plan.
No one has explained to me adequately why, with regard to building 7, Larry Silverstein would say on PBS that he told the fire dept. to "pull it", meaning to demolish with explosives. No one has explained to me why a handful of morons insist that he meant "pull out a unit of firefighters" when no one had even BEEN in the building since 11:00 that morning, or why I see a representative from controlled demolition in a tape of the cleanup saying they're about to "pull building 6".
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.........
Then I could go on some fucking more....then more.... All this off the top of my fucking HEAD! And you fucking idiots can't answer a damned one of those questions with any plausible explanation. Sure you can give the official story and quote a bunch of so-called "experts"...*cough* government funding recipients *cough*...saying something that, on the surface, seems plausible, but none of it stands up to logical scrutiny.
I could sit here, as I have done many many many times and tell you why each of your "explanations" are scientifically and categorically unreasonable and implausible, but at by the end you would still deny it. Why? Because that would require you to consider a truth that you simply are too cowardly to face. Your nice, perfect little world would be FUCKED, and you don't like that. It's much like trying to tell a Christian fanatic that they are going about it all wrong. They will call you the "devil's agent" and continue in their little thought bubbles, insulated from reality by a pretty prismatic film of their own device.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 21:17:55 EST (#)
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"What's wrong with coming to my house and at least checking it out?"
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Simple. The fact that you are there oozing stupidity would keep most things away.
Except flies, of course. They do enjoy the bullshit.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 21:08:00 EST (#)
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I want an independent inquiry into incursions into our country from elements from the past. There is someone abusing the space-time continuum!
There is evidence that individuals are coming here and stealing socks from my house leaving me with only one out of originally a pair of them. I DEMAND IT FROM MY GOVERNMENT! Come to my house with the experts, foot the bill for it all! Investigate my wild, ridiculous claims that can only be believed by morons and fools.
I'll call anyone that doesn't believe in my nutty theory a cog in the machine and a government drone.
What's wrong with coming to my house and at least checking it out?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 20:58:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 19:59:30 (#)
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that's the one thing makes rob_berg one of the biggest dipshits around here - whenever you disagree with him, he calls you willfully ignorant.
THAT IS BECAUSE ONLY ROB_BERG HAS THE NECESSARY KNOWLEDGE TO SAVE MANKIND FROM ITSSELF - WHY DONT YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKERS REALIZE THIS AND GIVE HIM THE +2S HE SO RICHLY DESERVES
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...and yet another pointless, worthless offering from a complete retard.
Although it WOULD be nice to save man-kind from itself... Don't you think?
I mean after all - there is some pretty repugnant shit to save us from. (BTW- Your particular brand of idiot is but a dent in that gigantic bucket.)
But let me get this straight... my claim that people like the general here "willfully ignorant" for his particular outlook on life is the ONE (and only) thing that makes me a dipshit around these parts?
Fair enough. I'm a dipshit. Can we be friends now?
Oh and I do CRAVE +2s.
Please, anyone reading this mosey on over to any one of my posts and immediately +2 it.
PLEASE?
And then tell all your friend to look at all of my posts on various computers so I can get more HITZ! Cuz I crave those too! That is REALLY my master plan! MVA here I come... all thanks to JonnyX!
I'm so glad we are friends now!
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 19:59:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:59:06 (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:37:26 (#)
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Alrighty, Mr. Berg. You are right up this electrictoothsyndrome's alley. I think you two should hook up and take turns fucking each other in the ass until Bush admits on national TV that he devised the plan to make the twin towers fall.
Fault me for having ignorance, but in 60 years I will be a generally happy old guy probably bouncing my grandkids on my knee.
You, on the other hand, will find that life will treat you "unfairly" as you have unanswered questions in your head about some wild conspiracy theory. I doubt you will live to a ripe old age as life will be too harsh to take and you'll find a hangman's noose around your neck. That hangman will be yourself and you'll be alone when you die. The same will happen to electrictooth.
Jimmy Hoffa and his killer will never be found, Tupac and Elvis will not make a comeback, the grassy knoll shooter will forever wander free, and those government agents that placed explosives in the WTC will never be exposed.
I have years of solid history on my side, and what do you on yours? Wild accusations and uneducated blatherings of conspiracy theories. Keep it up for your entire life and die with that question unresolved and painfully tearing at your heart. You're both fucking living jokes to the world.
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Now now now.
We were having a perfectly civil conversation and you just jump right in with the ass fucking.
Shameful.
You ARE faulted for having ignorance you sorry sack o' shit... in fact that is the entire thrust of this giant wasting of fucking time.
You = willfully ignorant
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that's the one thing makes rob_berg one of the biggest dipshits around here - whenever you disagree with him, he calls you willfully ignorant.
THAT IS BECAUSE ONLY ROB_BERG HAS THE NECESSARY KNOWLEDGE TO SAVE MANKIND FROM ITSSELF - WHY DONT YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKERS REALIZE THIS AND GIVE HIM THE +2S HE SO RICHLY DESERVES
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 19:54:20 EST (#)
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Hey Brad, why dont you do something useful, like this guy
http://www.ubersite.com/m/95654
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-11-13 19:41:15 EST (#)
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WRITING YOUR FUCKING CONGRESSMAN IS *NOT* DOING ANYTHING. NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST. IT IS MERELY WASTING INK.
to do something, you have to BE your congressman.
you dont live anywhere near me, i suggest you start finding ways to go about becoming a congressman.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-13 19:06:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:15:11 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:33:13 (#)
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Don't you think it's sad that all we ever expect from our agents in government is a canned response from a minion? They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
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Not sad...tragic.
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He has 675,564 constituents, and he should personally sit down and pen a letter in response to every single whack job who takes the time to write him about their stupid conspiracies?
Sorry but the 675,563 other people don't give a shit about brads stupid letter, and he would be remiss in his duty if he wasted time responding to that garbage.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:47:33 EST (#)
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Well, I can't say I'm disappointed with the response this post generated. It's about what I expected, as per usual.
I do remain, however, disappointed that so few of my own countrymen seem to understand the weight of such considerations as were put forth in this post and many others I have posted just like it.
How some of you can be so goddamned selfish and cowardly that you ridicule those of us who demand answers to the most fundamental of questions is now more a source of personal sadness than surprise.
It shouldn't surprise any of us who possess any memory of high school social structures that there are cowards out there who love to ridicule anything different than themselves or anyone who THINKS differently than themselves. This attitude is neither anything new or anything special or unique. In fact, this attitude has been the pervasive one since before man had a language. I am probably as guilty of it as anyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that there are some very precise and heavy questions that need to be answered by some very specific people in our own government who are REFUSING to answer them.
Why anyone would act like retarded 3-year-old and ridicule those who risk personal detriment, be it socially or professionally, in the search for fundamental truths is beyond me...
But of course I'm just crazy so what do I know...
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:42:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:30:03 (#)
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Get lost, Berg. Go drink a molson and shut the fuck up.
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HAHA! You giant chicken-shit!
You are such a waste of time... even your pathetic insults are slathered with ignorance.
I likes rye.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:30:03 EST (#)
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Get lost, Berg. Go drink a molson and shut the fuck up.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:19:13 EST (#)
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Since you're not a taxpayer, why would your rep care?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:15:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:33:13 (#)
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Don't you think it's sad that all we ever expect from our agents in government is a canned response from a minion? They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
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Not sad...tragic.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:04:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:45:17 (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:41:15 (#)
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Of course I'm Canadian
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Oh here we have it. Your opinion now even means even less, if that is possible.
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See? How can you even talk with people willing to be this dumb?
Of course I strongly suspect that is all part of the plan - I mean they are so unbelievably irritating that people just simply give up and can't be fucking bothered wasting their time on dickheads who embrace their ignorance so tightly.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-11-13 18:00:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:45:17 (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:41:15 (#)
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Of course I'm Canadian
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Oh here we have it. Your opinion now even means even less, if that is possible.
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Take that back, bitch. We'll stick the UN on you faster than Michael Ignatieff eats his words.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:59:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:37:26 (#)
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Alrighty, Mr. Berg. You are right up this electrictoothsyndrome's alley. I think you two should hook up and take turns fucking each other in the ass until Bush admits on national TV that he devised the plan to make the twin towers fall.
Fault me for having ignorance, but in 60 years I will be a generally happy old guy probably bouncing my grandkids on my knee.
You, on the other hand, will find that life will treat you "unfairly" as you have unanswered questions in your head about some wild conspiracy theory. I doubt you will live to a ripe old age as life will be too harsh to take and you'll find a hangman's noose around your neck. That hangman will be yourself and you'll be alone when you die. The same will happen to electrictooth.
Jimmy Hoffa and his killer will never be found, Tupac and Elvis will not make a comeback, the grassy knoll shooter will forever wander free, and those government agents that placed explosives in the WTC will never be exposed.
I have years of solid history on my side, and what do you on yours? Wild accusations and uneducated blatherings of conspiracy theories. Keep it up for your entire life and die with that question unresolved and painfully tearing at your heart. You're both fucking living jokes to the world.
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Now now now.
We were having a perfectly civil conversation and you just jump right in with the ass fucking.
Shameful.
You ARE faulted for having ignorance you sorry sack o' shit... in fact that is the entire thrust of this giant wasting of fucking time.
You = willfully ignorant
That is my point...AND something that you readily admit. So really the only problem we have is the fact that you are...
Honestly, how you fucking retards are not viciously beaten on a more regular basis is a shame to the rest of the people who actually give a shit about what goes on in the world.
You can toss up as much boring conjecture as you would like about how I live my life... and create romantic images of me hanging myself - it doesn't change the fact that I am drawing my conclusions specifically from what you have typed up on that greasy little keyboard of yours.
Its all here in black and white - and so far all you have typed up is empty rhetoric filled drivel. (To which I have responded with my intelligent rhetoric filled drivel)
Bah.
There really is no talking to people like you is there?
You are so content on NOT learning anything and NOT asking questions that you really are quite happy to bounce your grandchild on your lap while proverbially getting fucked up the ass from the government you are so willing to ignore.
Its pathetic... but that is downside of free will.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:45:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:41:15 (#)
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Of course I'm Canadian
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Oh here we have it. Your opinion now even means even less, if that is possible.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:41:15 EST (#)
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"Likely has something to do with me not living in the United States or not being American or whatnot."
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Yeah, that can certainly limit your willingness to participate.
Of course I'm Canadian so most people would argue that I shouldn't give a shit either... but the questions that need asking are not simply limited to American self interest. See, being a citizen of their largest trading partner the integrity, stability and economic viability of the United States is of vital importance to Canada. (Not to mention their sometimes deplorable foreign policies - ie: Iraq - makes their inept leadership and relatively ignorant population a grave concern to any aware citizen of most civilized nations around the world.)
Besides, political discussions give me a semi and I love to mix it up - attention whore that I am.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:37:26 EST (#)
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Alrighty, Mr. Berg. You are right up this electrictoothsyndrome's alley. I think you two should hook up and take turns fucking each other in the ass until Bush admits on national TV that he devised the plan to make the twin towers fall.
Fault me for having ignorance, but in 60 years I will be a generally happy old guy probably bouncing my grandkids on my knee.
You, on the other hand, will find that life will treat you "unfairly" as you have unanswered questions in your head about some wild conspiracy theory. I doubt you will live to a ripe old age as life will be too harsh to take and you'll find a hangman's noose around your neck. That hangman will be yourself and you'll be alone when you die. The same will happen to electrictooth.
Jimmy Hoffa and his killer will never be found, Tupac and Elvis will not make a comeback, the grassy knoll shooter will forever wander free, and those government agents that placed explosives in the WTC will never be exposed.
I have years of solid history on my side, and what do you on yours? Wild accusations and uneducated blatherings of conspiracy theories. Keep it up for your entire life and die with that question unresolved and painfully tearing at your heart. You're both fucking living jokes to the world.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:33:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:10:33 (#)
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When you sat and wrote this letter did you REALLY BELIEVE that it's tone and content would elicit you with a satisfactory response?
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It's tone and content should be immaterial in deciding whether or not it illicits a response. Ellsworth is the elected *representative* of the people in his district and therefore it is his job to listen to the concerns of all those people, not just the concerns of the people he happens to agree with.
Don't you think it's sad that all we ever expect from our agents in government is a canned response from a minion? They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-11-13 17:10:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:11:23 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:55:50 (#)
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Do something about it or shut up about it.
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What do you propose I do? I AM doing something. I'm writing my congressman...my elected representative! What would you have me do that is above and beyond that? If it's within reason, I'll do it.
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ETS I would ask merely one question of you.
When you sat and wrote this letter did you REALLY BELIEVE that it's tone and content would elicit you with a satisfactory response?
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:59:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:38:17 (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:24:44 (#)
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This is going to hit the circular filing cabinet on the floor once some staffer reads about your conspiracy theories a couple paragraphs in. That, or it gets forwarded to some kind of government agency. Couldn't you have found some kind of middle course way to make the same point (which might actually get read)?
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I do agree with this.
How about YOU come up with a letter that expresses the same concerns, but in a more moderate tone and then post it?
You seem to agree that the sort of things mentioned in this letter are important - just over-stated.
Perhaps some participation on YOUR part is needed?
That goes for the rest of you people following along... especially you scourge. I mean considering your occupation I would think you could format a very compelling letter that might highlight the same concerns as Mr. Tooth - but and actually have them read and considered.
Unless you all think that communicating with your own government to affect some sort of positive change is ultimately useless / impossible.
At which point you have stumbled upon what I consider to be a far greater problem than anything 9-11 represents... our own crippling feeling of uselessness.
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Likely has something to do with me not living in the United States or not being American or whatnot. Really, it's your problem.
That said, communicating to your government through letters and e-mail is useless. Knowing people who work for members of parliament, I have my doubts as to how well spent the time is. You're probably better off voting (in more than just one election), writing letters to the editor, or doing something involving you and the legitimate media.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:57:37 EST (#)
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I'm beginning to think I can't speak english very well.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:54:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:51:07 (#)
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I don't think so but he can (be) slow sometimes.
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Thanks for the endorsement. I'm not slow, I'm pokey.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:52:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:42:23 (#)
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Rob Berg is an ETS's 2nd account where it makes it seem like he has popular support for his wacky views?
Either way, I am NOT a "cog in the machine" for not demanding some investigation. I really don't care because I have better things to do with my life than cry for the next 60 years before dying in a hospital bed with unresolved issues. That's stupidity right there, folks.
You are all setting yourself up for failure.
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HAHA
Just earlier in this string you defend your own uniqueness... do you remember banging out:
"Is it hard to believe more than 2 people will disagree with your comments..."
Maybe let that sink in.
Now,
"I really don't care because I have better things to do with my life than cry for the next 60 years before dying in a hospital bed with unresolved issues..."
Yup. That IS stupidity right there, folks.
It also illustrates your WILLFUL IGNORANCE.
-or-
Capacity for looking the other way.
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Simply not giving a shit.
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Apathy.
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Boredom.
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Whatever the fuck you wanna call your detachment from any desire to hold your own government accountable for its overwhelming stupidity - THAT is what that sentence represents.
So nice work.
And listen, I fail at many things... at least I KNOW when I am failing. You seem to enjoy being clueless.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:51:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:42:23 (#)
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Rob Berg is an ETS's 2nd account where it makes it seem like he has popular support for his wacky views?
Either way, I am NOT a "cog in the machine" for not demanding some investigation. I really don't care because I have better things to do with my life than cry for the next 60 years before dying in a hospital bed with unresolved issues. That's stupidity right there, folks.
You are all setting yourself up for failure.
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I don't think so but he can is slow sometimes.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:42:23 EST (#)
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Rob Berg is an ETS's 2nd account where it makes it seem like he has popular support for his wacky views?
Either way, I am NOT a "cog in the machine" for not demanding some investigation. I really don't care because I have better things to do with my life than cry for the next 60 years before dying in a hospital bed with unresolved issues. That's stupidity right there, folks.
You are all setting yourself up for failure.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:38:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:24:44 (#)
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This is going to hit the circular filing cabinet on the floor once some staffer reads about your conspiracy theories a couple paragraphs in. That, or it gets forwarded to some kind of government agency. Couldn't you have found some kind of middle course way to make the same point (which might actually get read)?
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I do agree with this.
How about YOU come up with a letter that expresses the same concerns, but in a more moderate tone and then post it?
You seem to agree that the sort of things mentioned in this letter are important - just over-stated.
Perhaps some participation on YOUR part is needed?
That goes for the rest of you people following along... especially you scourge. I mean considering your occupation I would think you could format a very compelling letter that might highlight the same concerns as Mr. Tooth - but and actually have them read and considered.
Unless you all think that communicating with your own government to affect some sort of positive change is ultimately useless / impossible.
At which point you have stumbled upon what I consider to be a far greater problem than anything 9-11 represents... our own crippling feeling of uselessness.
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:24:44 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
This is going to hit the circular filing cabinet on the floor once some staffer reads about your conspiracy theories a couple paragraphs in. That, or it gets forwarded to some kind of government agency. Couldn't you have found some kind of middle course way to make the same point (which might actually get read)?
Submitted by morontian (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:18:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:26:50 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:23:10 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:10:09 (#)
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And if he fails to address my concerns satisfactorily, I will join his opponent's campaign in '08.
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This is not the way to decide who gets your vote and no-one is going to take a threat that sounds petty and short-sighted seriously. If you don't like what he's doing, find someone you do like and help make them a contender.
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damn, I would hate to sit at you guys's breakfast table...
"Honey, would you pass the Conspiracy-O's?"
"NO, dairy is a Bilderberger plot to deprive us of our precious natural resources!"
"..."
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heh
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:17:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:06:03 (#)
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Rob Berg, I like the moderate democrat that electrictoothsyndrome is writing a million more times than electrictooth syndrome.
I don't understand why it is if I don't buy into a large-scale 9/11 conspiracy that I am a cog in the government machine.
Actually I do understand: It is a way for conspiracy theorists and general raving madmen to try to dismiss their critics.
I voted for Blago for gov. this election. I'm hardly a right winger. Thanks for trying, though.
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heh...
um.
Actually I never explicitly said you were a right winger... only that you exemplify the willful ignorance of the right wing faithful.
I sit corrected.
However, you are a 'cog' in the government machine because you enable their bullshit. You should be fighting to get those questions answered - not highlighting how crazy you think some 'conspiracy theorist' conducts himself online.
Really examine your agenda 'Captain Democrat'... our government's NEED to be far more transparent and be held FAR more accountable for the deplorable and sometimes destructive ways in which they govern us.
While conspiracy theorists certainly take it too far... they do highlight many areas where questions have remained unanswered.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:09:55 EST (#)
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No, you shouldn't need a petition. If there was partisan wrongdoing (if any at all), it will all come out in the wash. However, if the wrongdoing is bipartisan, it'll never see the light of day.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:06:03 EST (#)
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Rob Berg, I like the moderate democrat that electrictoothsyndrome is writing a million more times than electrictooth syndrome.
I don't understand why it is if I don't buy into a large-scale 9/11 conspiracy that I am a cog in the government machine.
Actually I do understand: It is a way for conspiracy theorists and general raving madmen to try to dismiss their critics.
I voted for Blago for gov. this election. I'm hardly a right winger. Thanks for trying, though.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-11-13 16:02:13 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/95704#2223168
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:13:32 (#)
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I've bookmarked this page as a good comedic read. I understand you now and I think that you are a riot!
You are playing the role of an overexaggerated stereotypical conspiracy theorist madman! I thought you were serious for a bit and now I realize nobody could be that nuts. I love your wit and humor, albeit strange.
I apologize for me mistaking you for being a fool who thinks they are greater than everyone else when, in reality, you are nothing more than a mindless idiot who cannot think for yourself but you know how to click on youtube and watch videos from amateurs that don't know anything more than you do. I understand now that you are just kidding. You mock those conspiracy theory guys in an extreme fashion.
You are great!
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I've bookmarked this response as a wonderful example of how the right wing faithful successfully marginalize any divergent thought and ignore the need for questions to be asked. I understand full well how little you actually 'think' and people like you are failing humanity.
You play the role of smug, detached 'everything is just fine' willfully ignorant blowhard!
I detest your lazy, condescending, and distractive outlook on life. I am constantly amazed how you people can remain so conveniently unaffected by the utter bullshit our elected officials force-feed us 'little people' on a daily basis.
If you are going to apologize - consider apologizing for how relatively oblivious you are.
"You are nothing more than a mindless idiot who cannot think for yourself."
When was the last time you had an original thought about the way you are being governed?
Questions need answering - and just because Mr. Tooth here has some rather absurd theories about what the answers might be to those questions - it certainly doesn't invalidate the NEED to ask them and the fact that WE deserve to have them answered.
Stop being so patronizingly clueless. Open your eyes, wake up, stop following the herd... or whatever appropriate label applies to the frustrating ignorance you wallow in.
Yer an ass!
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:49:46 EST (#)
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Uh oh! There is trouble from the start. He supports the troops:
http://www.ellsworthforcongress.com/issues_details.asp?id=41
And he is against illegal immigration:
http://www.ellsworthforcongress.com/issues_details.asp?id=40
He is what one would call a "moderate".
You're screwed, dude!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:45:39 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:38:39 EST (#)
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priceless. this is going on my favorites. and in an email to everyone i know.
you're great.
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:35:37 EST (#)
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seriously where do you find the time for all of this shite ? you could probably put yourself to better use
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:26:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:23:10 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:10:09 (#)
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And if he fails to address my concerns satisfactorily, I will join his opponent's campaign in '08.
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This is not the way to decide who gets your vote and no-one is going to take a threat that sounds petty and short-sighted seriously. If you don't like what he's doing, find someone you do like and help make them a contender.
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damn, I would hate to sit at you guys's breakfast table...
"Honey, would you pass the Conspiracy-O's?"
"NO, dairy is a Bilderberger plot to deprive us of our precious natural resources!"
"..."
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:23:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:10:09 (#)
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And if he fails to address my concerns satisfactorily, I will join his opponent's campaign in '08.
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This is not the way to decide who gets your vote and no-one is going to take a threat that sounds petty and short-sighted seriously. If you don't like what he's doing, find someone you do like and help make them a contender.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 15:10:09 EST (#)
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Bob, you're right about the petition thing. That was an afterthought to this post more than the core thrust. This won't be the last Mr. Ellsworth hears from me. Until he shows that he's taken my concerns seriously, I am not going to leave him alone. And if he fails to address my concerns satisfactorily, I will join his opponent's campaign in '08.
I shouldn't have to get a petition started for him to, as a congressman, demand truthful answers from our president and his administration. Am I naive in thinking that, Bob?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:24:57 EST (#)
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Fuck spelling, try responding to the argu...wait I forgot I'm talking to ETS.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:23:43 EST (#)
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Find peace, Mr. Linzy. Because you will not find it in conspiracy theory blogs and false hopes of seeing President Bush frog marched into a federal prison.
You are setting yourself up for a life of anger, frustration, and, ultimately, failure.
Is that what you desire?
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It's sure as heck what JONNYX desires for him...
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:18:24 EST (#)
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Ah yes, Indiana. Where midwest travellers stop to take shits between travels from Cleveland to Chicago...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:17:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:06:56 (#)
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You are setting yourself up for a life of anger, frustration, and, ultimately, failure.
Is that what you desire?
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He desires his life to end in a violent confrontation with the govt.
ETS, it is funny you are accusing me of having alters, maybe you should go log in as vengance and -2 all of my posts.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:11:30 EST (#)
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There are better words to convey upset than "pissed off". You're a good writer, you know this.
As far as online petitions, if a representative from Indiana were to forced into action by a petition, it would to be signed by the people that he represents in his district in Indiana. A blanket form on internetpetition.com doesn't cut it bacause the signatures are unverifiable - any chump can request a list of voters from the department of state and start plugging their names into an online form.
You would need actual signatures, made with the person's hand and a pen. The signatory must be registered to vote and of legal age. If this is what you want to do, I suggest that you start knocking on doors.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:06:56 EST (#)
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I can certainly reassure you that I am not this indo fellow. Is it hard to believe more than 2 people will disagree with your comments and label them as "madness"?
Mr. Linzy, merely calling political opponents "nazis" and "war criminals" doesn't make it so.
If I had any advice to offer you, it would be to remove all your favorite links to lefty and conspiracy theory blogs/websites. Get in your car, drive out west into the Rocky Mountains somewhere. Have a tent, some warm clothing, food, etc. Fish in a river where there are no humans for miles. The only sounds are you and nature.
Find peace, Mr. Linzy. Because you will not find it in conspiracy theory blogs and false hopes of seeing President Bush frog marched into a federal prison.
You are setting yourself up for a life of anger, frustration, and, ultimately, failure.
Is that what you desire?
Submitted by Newty (user info) at 2006-11-13 14:02:41 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:59:22 EST (#)
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You use your real name and address on the petition, so that argument is moot, Bob. I used the term "pissed off" precisely BECAUSE it's out of form. It is there to punctuate my feelings on the subject. Simply saying "I'm upset" doesn't do it.
DCWoody: Learn to spell.
5-Star: Get a new alter, Indo.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:54:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:48:48 (#)
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For a petition, you would need no less than 10% of his congressional district's voters to sign to get him to act. Getting "ButtBaloney69" from ubersite's signature on an online petition doesn't count.
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Yes it has to be physical, and I'd try to go straight for the white house, ETS was quoting 42% all over the place a while ago, even if he could get 1 in 10 of those people to sign that's still more than 10 million people. It'd cause hell of a stir.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:48:48 EST (#)
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For a petition, you would need no less than 10% of his congressional district's voters to sign to get him to act. Getting "ButtBaloney69" from ubersite's signature on an online petition doesn't count.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:47:37 EST (#)
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That doesn't count Brad, two reasons, 1st just clicking an automated link doesn't really require any effort and people will take it, as they take everything on the internet, far less seriously than physical signatures it'll be completely ignored, 2ndly, you can't petition for impeachment, nobody is going to pay any attention to something that's directing the outcome of an investigation.
You need something you can physically deliver to the whitehouse, something tangible that the press can photograph, and you have to ask for an impartial investiagtion, not and investigation leading to impeachment
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:47:02 EST (#)
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Investigations and impeachments will only hurt the democrats.
You see, the constituency of American voters is roughly 30% hard core Democratic, 30% hard core Republican, and 40% independants, third party, or swing voters that belong to either of the big two. The third group is who win elections for a particular party.
The third group is very fickle. If every time they watch the news, they see that there is partisan in-fighting, they tend to side with the underdogs. They are the same group who voted last week after having four years of 'Iraq Iraq Iraq' getting jammed down their throats.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:45:19 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:31:34 (#)
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I know I recommend petitions a lot but they really are effective compared to the effort to get them together.
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You are just one of the mindless sheeple if you think a petition with thousands of signatures will have more effect than a letter where he uses "sir" and knows the full name of the Nazi party.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:45:13 EST (#)
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUsyTyOsTig
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:43:04 EST (#)
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Do you know what it will take to impeach? A simple majority of the HoR sends the matter to trial in the Senate where a 2/3rd majority must convict.
Reality Vs. Your Dream World
Even the Democrats know this. Hence, you get Pelosi & Dean saying it isn't going to happen. Doesn't that just piss you off? Doesn't that piss you off enough to climb over the gates at the white house and bum rush the front door?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:39:52 EST (#)
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http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/88
Here is an automated link that will email your appropriate congressmen based on your zip code letting them know you want investigations and impeachment, not just a band-aid and a lollipop fix.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:37:27 EST (#)
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Your truth-seeking constituent, """
LOL
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:31:34 EST (#)
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I know I recommend petitions a lot but they really are effective compared to the effort to get them together.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:31:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:29:59 EST (#)
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You have to know that whoever opens his mail for him will add a copy of this to the freak file.
Nothing like looking through the freak file on a quiet afternoon.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:27:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:11:23 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:55:50 (#)
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Do something about it or shut up about it.
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What do you propose I do? I AM doing something. I'm writing my congressman...my elected representative! What would you have me do that is above and beyond that? If it's within reason, I'll do it.
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Writing your congressman isn't going to do shit. I'll be extrememly suprised if he ever sees that letter and he's certainly not going to pay any attention to a conspiracy theorist comparing the current administration to the Nazis, expecially when you write National Socialists and put Nazis in brackets because you think it makes you sound smart. I don't think there's much you can do seeing as you're dead wrong about it, but a petition for an enquiry sounds the best way to go, if you were accurate when you quoted 42% being suspicious then it shouldn't be hard to get a few million signatures. If you can find anyone willing to try to get signatures, I'm sure you're not.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:17:33 EST (#)
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I just caught the Bible quotes at the end - the contradictory icing on the "hang the neo-cons" cake.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:15:28 EST (#)
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Reading this as a politician, I stopped when you used the term "pissed off". Not professional at all. Skimming along, I saw non-government (i.e. opinionary) webaddresses, the words "nazi," "neo-com," and "9/11" - hallmarks of extremist-ism.
If you get any reply at all, you will get a "thank you for your interest" form letter signed by one of his underlings on his behalf, and if you're *really* lucky, a calendar with his office address on it and pretty pictures of D.C. Expect them six to eight weeks after he actually takes office in 2007.
Whatever it is that you're trying to do, you're going about it all wrong.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:14:23 EST (#)
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This post was a waste of time, sir, and it won't be read by your congressman.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:13:32 EST (#)
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I've bookmarked this page as a good comedic read. I understand you now and I think that you are a riot!
You are playing the role of an overexaggerated stereotypical conspiracy theorist madman! I thought you were serious for a bit and now I realize nobody could be that nuts. I love your wit and humor, albeit strange.
I apologize for me mistaking you for being a fool who thinks they are greater than everyone else when, in reality, you are nothing more than a mindless idiot who cannot think for yourself but you know how to click on youtube and watch videos from amateurs that don't know anything more than you do. I understand now that you are just kidding. You mock those conspiracy theory guys in an extreme fashion.
You are great!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:11:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:55:50 (#)
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Do something about it or shut up about it.
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What do you propose I do? I AM doing something. I'm writing my congressman...my elected representative! What would you have me do that is above and beyond that? If it's within reason, I'll do it.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-11-13 13:00:07 EST (#)
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Might be a bit patronising putting "(Nazi)" in brackets like that - surely every adult knows who the german national socialist party were.
Call him: (202) 225-4636
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:55:50 EST (#)
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Do something about it or shut up about it.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:54:45 EST (#)
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...a runaway neo-con agenda...
...can't help but notice the eerie and disturbing similarities of our current government and that of the National Socialist (Nazi) movement in Germany in the 1930s. ...
...As my representative, I fully expect you to resist the party line on this issue. ...
..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." - John 8:32...
...Your truth-seeking constituent...
*tries to restrain laughter, sputters through lips, makes a bthubtt-bthubtt sound*
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:53:27 EST (#)
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I really don't understand you, electrictoothsyndrome. You believe in a large scale 9/11 coverup and yet you believe this congressman will be influenced by your letter?
Are you bipolar or have dual personalities? You certainly have some weird personality disorder of some kind.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:53:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:51:38 (#)
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His response:
Dear Nutjob,
Fuck off.
Regards,
Congressman SmallBoy Shagger.
AHAHAHAH!!! LOVE IT!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:51:38 EST (#)
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His response:
Dear Nutjob,
Fuck off.
Regards,
Congressman SmallBoy Shagger.
Submitted by FiveStarGeneral (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:45:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:39:22 (#)
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Sorry pal, but he's never going to see this. You'll get a standardized response letter from a bored intern and then this will be tossed in the refuse bin.
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I disagree with you. This electrictoothsyndrome gentlemen, and I'm using the phrase liberally, already has a file with the FBI. This letter will be put through the "screen heavily" pile whereby it will be checked for explosives, anthrax, etc. Then it will be opened and pre-screened by law enforcement agents for threats, etc. Next, it will be resealed and forwarded to the office and THEN it will get the standard response and tossed in the refuse bin.
"Thank you for your letter. What we are trying to do here is [lay out party platform, mention progressive movement, forward progress, common good] and we look forward to your continued support. If you have any other questions feel free to write back"
Submitted by morontian (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:41:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:40:54 EST (#)
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I read the whole letter, by the way. The comparisons of US Govt. Representatives to Nazis will forever blackflag you as a nutjob. Future correspondence will likely be tossed out without even the courtesy of a form letter.
:(
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2006-11-13 12:39:22 EST (#)
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Sorry pal, but he's never going to see this. You'll get a standardized response letter from a bored intern and then this will be tossed in the refuse bin.