Nothing breeds fairness faster than truth. (427 hits)
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Submitted by PokeyMen (View user info) at 2006-12-07 13:34:45 EST
Visibility is simply another word for truth.
Know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
Governments, corporations, people of power know that, which is why they will never allow the truth - the plain and simple truth - to be the basis of any political, social, or economic system they would devise.
In enlightened societies there are no secrets. Everyone knows what everyone else has, what everyone else earns, what everyone else pays in wages and taxes and benefits, what every other corporation charges and buys and sells and for how much and for what profit and everything. EVERYTHING.
Why is this possible only in enlightened societies? Because no one in enlightened societies is willing to get anything, or have anything, at someone else's expense.
This principle extends to personal relationships as well as monetary affairs. Yet, in most personal relationships on this planet, we are consumed with loss. It's about being afraid of what one might lose or fail to gain. Yet the best personal relationships, and certainly the best romantic ones, are relationships in which everyone knows everything; in which visibility is not only the watchword, but the only word; in which there simply are no secrets. Nothing is withheld, shaded, colored, hidden, disguised, left out, or unspoken. There is no guesswork or game playing; no one is "doing a dance," "running a number," or "shining you on."
Yet this dose not mean that every single thought, every private fear, every darkest memory, every fleeting judgment, opinion, or reaction must be placed on the table for discussion and examination. That is not visibility, that is insanity, and it will make you crazy. We are talking about simple, direct, straightforward, open, honest, complete communication. Yet even at that, it is a striking concept, and a little-used one.
Imagine an entire society built around the principle of visibility. Half of the world's ills would go away tomorrow. There would be anger and frustration at first, make no mistake about it. When it is finally discovered just how much the average person is being played like a fiddle, used like a disposable commodity, manipulated, lied to, and downright cheated, there would be plenty of frustration and anger. But visibility would clean most of that up within two months; make it go away.
Has lying by omission or commission brought your world where you really want it to be? Has manipulation through silence and secrecy really benefited us?
What would happen if everybody could see everything?
Do you think you could live a life like this? No more secrets? Absolute visibility?
If not, why not?
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Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-11 08:31:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:45:13 (#)
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Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:27:27 (#)
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Um...I'll just bite my tongue, indoninja. All I'll say is consider reading the CWG books with an open mind. They explain all of this a lot better than I am able to paraphrase.
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oh SURE.
Nice back-up fella.
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Alters don't have time to spend on defensive strategies. :)
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 19:03:38 EST (#)
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"I am not deflecting anything."
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Yes you are.
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"I am not saying homelessness, poverty or ignorance in the US is ok because it is worse elsewhere."
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I never said you did. What I implied was your method of argument relies on distraction.
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" I have no idea how you could come to the conclusion that I implied that. "
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Of course you don't. Know why? You don't bother reading what I am actually saying. You have made up your limited mind that what I am saying is wrong. Period. You haven't read the book that this post was inspired from, you obviously do not understand the meaning of 'Visibility' - You have yer panties all twisted up and are childishly lashing out and being a negative dickhead to pass the time.
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"Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your ass you would be able to read better."
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I have been saying the same thing about you.
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"I have not once in this post denied there are massive problems in the US or else where."
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Of course not. As mentioned this is just the classic example of the tactics you regularly employ while having these "discussions". Of course with you it's never really a discussion is it? You are always hell bent on PROVING something - or having whomever is talking to you PROVE something to you. Maybe take a deep breath and remember what its like to talk nicely to people?
No?
Just really enjoy being a miserable cunt?
Ok, fine.
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"I said we know how much CEO's, and companies make in the US, anyone can figure out how much they are making on their products. This visibility has in no way helped the poor in this country. You and pokey have failed, miserably, to demonstrate in anything approaching a logical explination as to how 100% visibility would help anyone."
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This is another clear case of you simply failing to grasp the concept. See, it is impossible for Pokey and myself to demonstrate something you are completely unwilling to even understand what the fuck it is you are getting so worked up about.
At this point you are huffing and puffing over something completely arbitrary and manufactured by your own diversionary tactics.
It's comical.
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"You have no answer for how something like that could be possible, from collecting such info, storing such info, and distributing such info, nevermind the mindboggling cost even if people wouldn't try to manipulate such a system."
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You know what - you are absolutely right. The plausibility of this idea is certainly something that would require a massive expense and universal buy-in.
Given the predisposition of people just like YOU, this kind of solution is an impossibility - but that doesn't negate it's value as an ideal. A goal.
You only bring real world negativity and limitations to the table when doing you very best to invalidate the concept. I happen to appreciate the relative impossibility of the suggestion - but embrace the notion that full transparency would be a pretty fantastic achievement.
I suspect at some level you probably do as well - yet thrive on being a dink.
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"You accuse me of deflecting the conversation.. "
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You do.
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"...but you have yet to come up with one reasonable claim that supports this idea. Magically "transending money because of 100% visibility" isn't a reasonable claim."
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What is reasonable? We have had many points in our existence where we have been absolutely convinced that something was impossible. Yet time and time again we have shattered those limitations and exceeded our own expectations.
Stop being so close minded and pissy.
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"You go on and on about the massive problems but do nothing but masturbate over stupid ideas that have never, and will never help anyone."
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Hehe... What do you know about what I do?
Again...you thinking about me masturbating is just creepy. Are you hitting on me?
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"If you are that concerned about these massive problems then do something you worthless fuck."
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Again, what do you know about what I do? Besides, I happen to be worth a good $17.28.
So there.
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"Don't sit around and pretend that slobbering over impossible dreams is helping the MASSIVE problems."
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I don't.
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"People like you are useless, you are worse than somebody who buries their head in the sand and ignores the worlds problems, you know shit is wrong with the world and..."
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Ok, see right there is where I insert my clever redirect of how I feel about you and your belligerent negativity.
Don't you get it? I don't consider you any more helpful than what you consider me. I make suggestions that you COULD be part of the process in a more productive way but you would rather be a giant unlikable cunt and continue to dump your bile all over otherwise optimistic conversations and refuse to be constructive in any way.
Annoying miserable fuck that you are.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-08 17:51:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:27:27 (#)
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Um...I'll just bite my tongue, indoninja. All I'll say is consider reading the CWG books with an open mind. They explain all of this a lot better than I am able to paraphrase.
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I actually have read part of one of the books. Not my cup of tea, and not original, at least from what I read. I actually disliked it enough to resort to this http://www.ubersite.com/m/16561 a few years back. Someone left it on a rig library, I had nothing left to read, and running in circles on the helo deck was making me crazy.
I appreciate the sentiment behind more visibility, but anyone who makes an effort can easily see how much profit people/companies make on things. As to waether it is fair you will get a different question for every person you ask. Visibility can only take you so far because even if we all see the same shit we will interpret it differently. Nevermind the whole logistical issues behind visibility.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-08 17:12:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:14:44 (#)
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See, I never said YOU said it was right - I said "just because it's shit elsewhere doesn't mean the fact it's shit HERE any more justified or tolerable."
Which is an entirely accurate and agreeable statement.
What I suggest is that your acknowledgment of the "homeless, poor, and sick people in the US" and then pointing out that it is WORSE other places doesn't make it any better.
WHY do I make that suggestion?
Well, that would be because people like you are all to happy to just deflect the conversation away from the MASSIVE problems that we are facing in society today.
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I am not deflecting anything. I am not saying homelessness, poverty or ignorance in the US is ok because it is worse elsewhere. I have no idea how you could come to the conclusion that I implied that. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your ass you would be able to read better.
I have not once in this post denied there are massive problems in the US or else where. I said we know how much CEO's, and companies make in the US, anyone can figure out how much they are making on their products. This visibility has in no way helped the poor in this country. You and pokey have failed, miserably, to demonstrate in anything approaching a logical explination as to how 100% visibility would help anyone. You have no answer for how something like that could be possible, from collecting such info, storing such info, and distributing such info, nevermind the mindboggling cost even if people wouldn't try to manipulate such a system.
You accuse me of deflecting the conversation, but you have yet to come up with one reasonable claim that supports this idea. Magically "transending money because of 100% visibility" isn't a reasonable claim.
You go on and on about the massive problems but do nothing but masturbate over stupid ideas that have never, and will never help anyone. If you are that concerned about these massive problems then do something you worthless fuck. Don't sit around and pretend that slobbering over impossible dreams is helping the MASSIVE problems. People like you are useless, you are worse than somebody who buries their head in the sand and ignores the worlds problems, you know shit is wrong with the world and think it is your responsibility but instead of doing anything you pat yourself on the back for applauding stupid ideas.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:57:30 EST (#)
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I have to poop.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:45:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:27:27 (#)
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Um...I'll just bite my tongue, indoninja. All I'll say is consider reading the CWG books with an open mind. They explain all of this a lot better than I am able to paraphrase.
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oh SURE.
Nice back-up fella.
Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:27:27 EST (#)
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Um...I'll just bite my tongue, indoninja. All I'll say is consider reading the CWG books with an open mind. They explain all of this a lot better than I am able to paraphrase.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 16:14:44 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-08 14:45:01 (#)
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"You are a fucking idiot."
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You keep saying that. It's silly. I'm obviously not - I just see the world in a vastly different way than you. You think I am an idiot. I think you act like an idiot.
Clearly we are both smart, well adjusted intellectually curious people - yet you seem to thrive on confrontation FAR more than me - which is staggering considering my propensity to e-scrap. Perhaps you think better when you are righteously indignant so you whip yourself up into this big frothy negative stupor and attack your "foes" with wild fabrications and misinterpretations slathered with an impressive amount of bile and vitriol.
It gets boring.
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"I never said we aren't fucking over third world countries. I never said it was right. How am I ignoring it?"
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You marginalize it. We ALL ignore it. This is yet another Indo argument tactic that wastes times and cause people to just avoid engaging you in any conversation for which you take such an intractable annoying position.
See, I never said YOU said it was right - I said "just because it's shit elsewhere doesn't mean the fact it's shit HERE any more justified or tolerable."
Which is an entirely accurate and agreeable statement.
What I suggest is that your acknowledgment of the "homeless, poor, and sick people in the US" and then pointing out that it is WORSE other places doesn't make it any better.
WHY do I make that suggestion?
Well, that would be because people like you are all to happy to just deflect the conversation away from the MASSIVE problems that we are facing in society today.
"We have a homeless problem." > "Well at least you don't live in a 3rd world country."
"Global warming." > "I like warmer weather - don't you?"
"The war in Iraq is wrong." > "All war is wrong, but things happen in war and just be glad that war isn't here."
Etc...
Nothing altruistic or problem solving ever seems to have much of a chance to germinate in your fallow fucking minds - you are all too eager to battle out the semantic bullshit while conveniently ignoring the larger issues. I am not saying you are particularly against those kinds of ideas - I just think you like to argue. I just don't understand why getting you to willingly participate in a conversation about them tantamount to pulling teeth. Sure there are downsides to EVERY idea, limitations and otherwise current impossibilities in a lot of the major solutions this world needs. People like you could be helpful in those discussions, yet you choose to be a distraction.
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I said it is fucking stupidity bordering on insanity to think 100% visibility will help (correct me if I am wrong but 100% is MORE than we have now).
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Right, you said that and all that does is indicate your pathetic unwillingness to embrace the ramifications of TRUE visibility. TRUE transparency.
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"You failed to provide a single reason how 100% visibility would help people in third world countries. Everyone knows they are getting screwed, do you seriously think knowing how much money they are getting screwed out of to the exact dollar would help?"
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I don't know how to make you appreciate that your point of view is limited and irrelevant to what is actually being suggested.
Bah, the rest of your tripe is just jammed with all sorts of silly conjecture and wild assumptions - although I am a little concerned that you spend ANY time picturing me in my parent's basement. That is just creepy.
Again - why do you feel the need to be such an angry little cunt? Cheer the fuck up already.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-08 14:45:01 EST (#)
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Rob,
You are a fucking idiot.
I never said we aren't fucking over third world countries. I never said it was right. How am I ignoring it? I said it is fucking stupidity bordering on insanity to think 100% visibility will help (correct me if I am wrong but 100% is MORE than we have now).
You failed to provide a single reason how 100% visibility would help people in third world countries. Everyone knows they are getting screwed, do you seriously think knowing how much money they are getting screwed out of to the exact dollar would help?
Please elaborate on my limited mind. I am sorry I don't live in a fantasy world where knowing how much every company and person makes, where knowing how much everybody pays for everything can some how make people transcend the evil chains of money. Do you honestly believe that? I don't see you leading the charge by swearing off money. I live in the real world. I understand that outside of your parents basement it takes money to get things done. Nevermind the fortune it would take to gather all this information (and we will even ignore the cost of making sure everyone is telling the truth, and just assume everyone is going to turn honest overnight) how would you magically distribute it to every man woman and child on earth? Would that to be free? How would this revolution transcend money if it cant reach people to let them know they are free?
You keep saying revolutions like this are around the corner but you won't do a godamn thing about it. You will never give up all your money, you will never work face to face with real poverty, you will never do anything but pat yourself on the back for +2 stupid ideas.
You love to sit on your ass in your parents heated basement and applaud stupid ideas like this because you think it makes you clever, open minded, revolutionary, and so sensitive to your poor struggling brothers and sisters. But what have you done to help them? Once again have you ever been to a third world country? Have you ver helped out at an orphanage? Have you ever really seen poverty? After you have done that tell me that you think visibility is a problem.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-08 13:49:12 EST (#)
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"The argument this post made is that if there was more info out there inequality would go away"
No Indo, that is what you would like the argument to be about.
Where you fall short in your logic is simple - you have glommed on to the word 'more'.
MORE info.
That is not what is being said at all. The blue sky- "wouldn't it be nice if" sentimentality of the argument was that if EVERYTHING ... that is right... ALL information was available and there was not misinformation, lies, closed door meetings, deception, talking points - full and complete transparency.
100% Visibility.
Your limited brain seems inflexible when it comes to comprehending solutions that exist outside of the polluted and corrupt world systems that are already in place. You fixate on the cost of such an undertaking - yet that that is just absurd.
What is being suggested transcends standard cost implications. In fact, simply attaining that level of awareness would surely precipitate a modification in our economic trappings as well. We might finally have the perspective to realize that while handy in transactions and figuring out 'who is winning' - money is an evil fucking creation.
You passionately (callously) describe that 3rd world scenario and trumpet this arbitrary cost for 'more' information - yet you completely ignore the fact that some of these 3rd world nations are exploited, western civilization has cultivated vast operations dependent on the blood sweat and tear equity of those human beings unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong country.
Why? Because it's economically viable to fuck over those more unfortunate than us.
Oh sure - on a micro level ANY help is good help and a dollar a day is a fuck of a lot better than nothing - and will certainly allow for a meal that consists of more than eating bark - but not by much.
'True Visibility' would expose the elaborate supply and distribution chains of the world.
Bottom line is we are opportunistic creatures - and we LOVE a good deal. The tragedy is most of the wonderful 'deals' we get are enabled through the exploitation of our fellow human beings.
That is a fact. Nike shoes, Sony DVD players and various Martha Stewart products - invariably produced by people making less money a month than some people make in a day.
What amazes me is that you get so fucking bent out of shape when people suggest change. "OH its going to cost money. OH things are not that bad. OH you're an idiot."
I like positive suggestions on what would make the world a better place - so that is why I hand over a bright shiny +2.
It must be painful to be have such a miserable soul. Cheer up ya grumpy fuck.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-08 07:35:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-07 16:30:10 (#)
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How absurd for you to have the audacity to speak for EVERYbody in the western world. Do you find it difficult to make a point that doesn't involve massive exaggeration in some pathetic attempt to marginalize whatever it is you disagree with?
Your arrogance aside, your point is (as per usual) highly limited.
What the idea of 'Visibility' is suggesting is more that just a quantitative head count of the destitute people in this skewed world - it is an open and honest awareness process by which people can actually appreciate the degree to which we are all being manipulated and exploited by a staggering minority of the population.
Sure we 'live' better in western civilization comparative to third world nations - at least by most conventional definitions - but that isn't the point, is it?
WE could be living better. WE could be living in a society where there is true equality and transparency and accountability. WE could focus on community, wellness, health, protection, education.
WE simply choose not to. Granted that choice is made by default - because we are far too consumed with survival, willingly distracted, or highly apathetic to embrace such a wonderful as complete transparency.
If that isn't entirely the case then we can always look to some of humanity's well established traits like greed, pride, and selfishness to suggest that type of system would never work. Some people are miserable, aggressive, petulant, argumentative cunts and are typically just itchin' for some sort of fight to work out their various anger management issues.
We have prejudice and racism and intolerance. We fear the unknown and crave safety.
This horrible manufactured society we sustain with our limited participation is little more than a cancerous pit of misery, conflict and exploitation.
The fact that we are able to enjoy the 'small details in life' and extract a fair amount of happiness and satisfaction in our willfully ignorant little lives makes the horrible bullshit reality somewhat tolerable.
Sure there are people dying from preventable diseases all over the world... Sure there 10 year old kids assembling my shoes... Sure there are wars and famine and genocide and death in various countries... Sure there is pollution... Sure there is inefficiency, corruption and scandal in our governments... Sure people are fucking stupid and getting stupider...
But very few people give a shit. The rest just do a good job of changing the channel.
Of course no one even wants to TALK about it... especially when assholes like Indoninja dig in and start cranking out their negative distractive bullshit.
Oh, and for the record Indo, just because it's shit elsewhere doesn't mean the fact it's shit HERE any more justified or tolerable. Your defense of the the status quo is a painful.
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What I said about the western world was wrong? It isn't common knowledge that there are countless places in the world where people slave away in sweat shops, or live in dirt with no chance of jobs education or healthcare? The premise of this argument was that if people knew that some people were being treated unfairly it would stop, well guess what, unless your head is buried in the sand you KNOW that people are getting screwed over.
There is tons of info out there about what CEO's and executives make, about what companies profits are, about what companies expenses are, do you think people pay attention? The argument this post made is that if there was more info out there inequality would go away, and that is just plain stupid. If people can't pay attention now, do you think they would if there was twice, or three times as much info out there?
Tell me where in my reply I said the situation is justified? Where did I defend it? I am not just stupid enough to clap my hands with glee and rave about stupid fucking ideas that will do absolutely nothing to help the world.
Tell me mr world problem solver when is the last time you have been to third wolrd country? You ever been to an orphanage so poor they sell the soap that gets donated to them so they can buy food? and have you ever helped a place like that? Do you really think people in that situation would be better off, would be able to get more or help themselves if billions of dollars (that is what would be required) were pissed away making sure everybody knew exactly how much everybody made and how much it made to make a product, and to transport a product, and how much a store made for selling a product?
Did you even think about the implications of what was suggested or just jump in with a +2 because it came from pop-theology guru who brought us "conversations with god". Try using your fucking head and the give me one fucking solid reason why pissing away billions of dollars on making everything more transparent (as I said earlier there is plenty of info out there on any public company, we know what the oil companies are making, what they spend and what they pay people) would change one godamn thing.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2006-12-07 20:13:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2006-12-07 16:45:27 EST (#)
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In enlightened societies there are no secrets.
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2006-12-07 16:30:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:04:49 (#)
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"Bullshit."
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No it isn't. Your negativity sure is, though.
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"You and everybody else in the western world knows they live a lot better, have a lot more than some 10 yr old slaving away in a sweat shop for 20 cents a day. But year after year faceless people keep getting shitty jobs like that.
The same goes for all the homeless, poor, and sick people in the US. We (know) they are there, do their ills and misfortunes go away?"
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How absurd for you to have the audacity to speak for EVERYbody in the western world. Do you find it difficult to make a point that doesn't involve massive exaggeration in some pathetic attempt to marginalize whatever it is you disagree with?
Your arrogance aside, your point is (as per usual) highly limited.
What the idea of 'Visibility' is suggesting is more that just a quantitative head count of the destitute people in this skewed world - it is an open and honest awareness process by which people can actually appreciate the degree to which we are all being manipulated and exploited by a staggering minority of the population.
Sure we 'live' better in western civilization comparative to third world nations - at least by most conventional definitions - but that isn't the point, is it?
WE could be living better. WE could be living in a society where there is true equality and transparency and accountability. WE could focus on community, wellness, health, protection, education.
WE simply choose not to. Granted that choice is made by default - because we are far too consumed with survival, willingly distracted, or highly apathetic to embrace such a wonderful as complete transparency.
If that isn't entirely the case then we can always look to some of humanity's well established traits like greed, pride, and selfishness to suggest that type of system would never work. Some people are miserable, aggressive, petulant, argumentative cunts and are typically just itchin' for some sort of fight to work out their various anger management issues.
We have prejudice and racism and intolerance. We fear the unknown and crave safety.
This horrible manufactured society we sustain with our limited participation is little more than a cancerous pit of misery, conflict and exploitation.
The fact that we are able to enjoy the 'small details in life' and extract a fair amount of happiness and satisfaction in our willfully ignorant little lives makes the horrible bullshit reality somewhat tolerable.
Sure there are people dying from preventable diseases all over the world... Sure there 10 year old kids assembling my shoes... Sure there are wars and famine and genocide and death in various countries... Sure there is pollution... Sure there is inefficiency, corruption and scandal in our governments... Sure people are fucking stupid and getting stupider...
But very few people give a shit. The rest just do a good job of changing the channel.
Of course no one even wants to TALK about it... especially when assholes like Indoninja dig in and start cranking out their negative distractive bullshit.
Oh, and for the record Indo, just because it's shit elsewhere doesn't mean the fact it's shit HERE any more justified or tolerable. Your defense of the the status quo is a painful.
Another good post Pokey.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 15:54:12 EST (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:22:17 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:04:49 (#)
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I was going to give this a zero but the more I read it the dumber it is. A fucking report just came out that the richest two percent control 50% of the worlds wealth while the poorest 50% only control 2 of the worlds wealth. How much more transparency do you need? How does knowledge of this inequality do anything?
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Yes, knowledge alone does not solve our problems for us. But I think his point was that there is a great deal more of the UNKNOWN to us than the known.
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I thought his point was that knowledge would help, which is completely wrong. if his point is that there is more unknown to us than known this post is even worse.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-12-07 15:35:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:04:49 (#)
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"Imagine an entire society built around the principle of visibility. Half of the world's ills would go away tomorrow."
Bullshit.
You and everybody else in the western world knows they live a lot better, have a lot more than some 10 yr old slaving away in a sweat shop for 20 cents a day. But year after year faceless people keep getting shitty jobs like that.
The same goes for all the homeless, poor, and sick people in the US. We knoe they are there, do their ills and misfortunes go away?
I was going to give this a zero but the more I read it the dumber it is. A fucking report just came out that the richest two percent control 50% of the worlds wealth while the poorest 50% only control 2 of the worlds wealth. How much more transparency do you need? How does knowledge of this inequality do anything?
Submitted by richsghostdog (user info) at 2006-12-07 15:26:33 EST (#)
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Knowledge doesn't change anything, it merely exposes. If everyone is too lazy and self involved to do anything about what they know, nothing changes.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:22:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:04:49 (#)
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I was going to give this a zero but the more I read it the dumber it is. A fucking report just came out that the richest two percent control 50% of the worlds wealth while the poorest 50% only control 2 of the worlds wealth. How much more transparency do you need? How does knowledge of this inequality do anything?
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Yes, knowledge alone does not solve our problems for us. But I think his point was that there is a great deal more of the UNKNOWN to us than the known.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:10:01 EST (#)
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that's because the other one actually had something to contribute, kid
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:07:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:47:23 (#)
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Um, I said right down there in the first review that this was drawn from CWG...
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"Funny you should mention this, since one of the key concepts in the CWG spiritual train of thought is that if there is such a thing as sin, it is to allow your thoughts, words, and speech to be completely dictated by the ideas and behaviors of others."
I wonder who said that? Oh right it was you. It seems that you are clinging pretty tightly tot he views expressed in this pop-philosophy piece of crap.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-12-07 14:04:49 EST (#)
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"Imagine an entire society built around the principle of visibility. Half of the world's ills would go away tomorrow."
Bullshit.
You and everybody else in the western world knows they live a lot better, have a lot more than some 10 yr old slaving away in a sweat shop for 20 cents a day. But year after year faceless people keep getting shitty jobs like that.
The same goes for all the homeless, poor, and sick people in the US. We knoe they are there, do their ills and misfortunes go away?
I was going to give this a zero but the more I read it the dumber it is. A fucking report just came out that the richest two percent control 50% of the worlds wealth while the poorest 50% only control 2 of the worlds wealth. How much more transparency do you need? How does knowledge of this inequality do anything?
Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:57:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:52:12 (#)
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big deal. relying on someone ELSE's imagination to formulate definite opinions is even less realistic than relying on your own
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Well, you didn't seem to mind +2ing my post yesterday dealing with concepts from the same book...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:52:12 EST (#)
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big deal. relying on someone ELSE's imagination to formulate definite opinions is even less realistic than relying on your own
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:49:10 EST (#)
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It is to be wished for...the transparent life.
Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:47:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:45:40 (#)
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"In enlightened societies there are no secrets. Everyone knows what everyone else has, what everyone else earns, what everyone else pays in wages and taxes and benefits, what every other corporation charges and buys and sells and for how much and for what profit and everything. EVERYTHING."
where the fuck did you pull this from? oh right, your IMAGINATION
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Um, I said right down there in the first review that this was drawn from CWG...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:45:40 EST (#)
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"In enlightened societies there are no secrets. Everyone knows what everyone else has, what everyone else earns, what everyone else pays in wages and taxes and benefits, what every other corporation charges and buys and sells and for how much and for what profit and everything. EVERYTHING."
where the fuck did you pull this from? oh right, your IMAGINATION
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:43:04 EST (#)
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*nods knowingly*
Submitted by Maltese (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:42:22 EST (#)
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LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS
Submitted by PokeyMen (user info) at 2006-12-07 13:36:46 EST (#)
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Another topic inspired from "Conversations With God."