Police are Being Privatized (YAY! Now we can have shitty healthcare AND a constitutionally decrepit justice system! It's about goddamned time!) (1379 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-01-04 06:57:07 EST
Well...well...well...
What have we here...
heh
So...you people STILL think I'm crazy? How much longer can you deny it? It's happening right now before your eyes. Maybe if you'd just open them from time to time you'd see it, no?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100665_pf.html
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-11 17:48:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-01-08 11:39:41 EST (#)
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Privatized police forces have always been around. Research the history of the Pinkerton detective agency, or the Coal & Iron police.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2007-01-07 21:45:00 EST (#)
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awesome work, detective.
Submitted by pannerplant (user info) at 2007-01-06 02:56:43 EST (#)
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MOAR ROBOCOPS
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-06 02:43:23 EST (#)
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um im pretty sure no one is paying attention so the implications of giving police powers to non sworn poorly trained security guards.
****** was a private police guy in the projects of ********, **. and I can tell you first hand hes not the kind of dude I would trust to uphold people's rights upon arrest, if you know what I mean. And I've known him for 27 years and love him to death.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-01-06 02:29:13 EST (#)
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Everybody is right...again...except for Stabkill. I'm beginning to think...no...he's an idiot. What to do? I'm with you, except for the stupid 9-11 videos. I've been saying for years that free-thinkers (well, I've usually said "liberals") should acquire as many guns as possible. I have a few. That scares me. Not only for the implied ramifications, but because most of the liberals I know are really bad with guns. Oh yeah...I'm drunk again.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-01-06 02:08:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:21:53 (#)
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A person is either a government officer or they are not. If they are part of the government, they still have to operate with the restrictions placed upon them by the people. If they are not part of the government, they are just like any other citizen.
This means that if a non-government "private police" member asserts force against you in public, it is assault and you have the right to defend yourself with force if necessary.
Most importantly, the government does not give you your rights - you give the government its rights. The burden of protecting your rights lies on you - not the government. If you let a "private police" member violate your rights without using force, you have to accept responsibility for giving in to that voluntarily. If they did use force, then you have a crime.
Now, if the government in turn does not respect the boundaries of its own authority and sides with the "private police" in a criminal dispute, that's when it's time to start the revolution because the rest of the law might as well not exist. Until that happens, you should give standard rule of law the benefit of the doubt.
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Thank you, Bart. And thank you to all the rest of you who seem to get it. (Oh, and happy New Year to you too, Scott. Take care of yourself, dude.)
Am I alone in thinking that I'll STILL be the lone nut who resists all this? Will I be alone when I pick up a gun and blow one of their goddamned heads off for so much as touching me or asserting physical force over someone I hold dear to me?
I don't know what else one could say... It's right there in the article in black and white. It hasn't been to the Supreme Court yet as far as I know, but with the way the deck has been stacked...who the hell knows? They've already nullified our personal property rights with eminent domain rulings. What's next? What could possibly go beyond THIS?
I am just tired, y'all. This is getting to be ridiculously scary and so blatantly obvious that to do anything other than revolt makes us look like we're all sleepwalking...or we just don't care...can't tear our fat asses away from our electronic gadgets long enough to lift a finger against it. We're going to have to stand up to this at some point and I don't think most Americans have the knowledge or BALLS necessary to do what will ultimately need to be done.
We're all a bunch of publicly schooled morons and we have been made so assured of our safety, comfort, and convenience in this bubble of bread and circus we call the modern era that we have rendered OURSELVES impotent.
In short, we are a nation of cowards, and, to me, America is dead.
I'm rambling because my mind is frazzled. The sheer awe I feel in reading what, to me, is so obviously a circumvention of constitutional rights is overwhelming. To even attempt to add to it would be like trying to insert Bee Gees lyrics in the middle of the book of Psalms. If you don't get it already, you never will.
It's like they say in poker...if you look around the table and you don't know who the sucker is, it's YOU.
Anyway...vini vidi vici... see you in a few more months, uber...maybe.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-01-05 21:29:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:40:46 (#)
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furthermore I find it disgusting that Pelosi is using her cunt as a platform.
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Hee hee!
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-01-05 21:28:58 EST (#)
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Police are called here, are lobbying the state legislature to broaden their jurisdiction, currently limited to the private property of those who hire them, to adjacent streets.
What part of "limited to the private property of those who hire them" do you not understand? Yes yes, you'll point to the "currently" part. The first guy that kills one of these fucks in self-defense and gets off scot free from a jury (providing their influence is ever expanded beyond private property), you'll see the end of this little craze. Now take your nebutol.
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2007-01-05 21:03:28 EST (#)
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wtf? On the surface it seems like a good idea but I can just imagine the loopholes and technicalities they'll abuse.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-01-05 12:50:30 EST (#)
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Guess I don't see the problem, or know how 'privatized security' (rent-a-cops, bodyguards, bounty hunters, PI's) are terribly new or offensive. To my knowledge, organizations or individuals have always been able to hire (or train) a private security force. There seems to be some alarm indicated over the fact that private security forces outnumber state or federal security, but I would think that this would be normal. Rent-a-cops are not trained as well or required to do as much as your average FBI agent; as such they don't get paid as well, and you can afford to hire more of them. It's not like rent-a-cops across the nations food courts are going to band together and overthrow the government.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-05 03:54:27 EST (#)
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Police have no duty of care to actually help or protect US citizens anyway. It comes up about once a year when police fail to turn up to a distress call and someone tries to sue them.
Its a peculiar little technicality which has probably already been mentioned here in the reviews.
The real problem is not the increase in rent a cops (provided they don't abuse powers) but why am I so awake at this hour?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-01-05 03:28:04 EST (#)
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bart hit most of it on the head. i have to disagree with his ending though. the fact that something is valid until an actual violation takes place is erroneous.
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-01-05 03:21:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:21:53 (#)
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"A person is either a government officer or they are not. If they are part of the government, they still have to operate with the restrictions placed upon them by the people. If they are not part of the government, they are just like any other citizen. "
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OK...
"This means that if a non-government "private police" member asserts force against you in public, it is assault and you have the right to defend yourself with force if necessary. "
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Not neccesarily. If that "private police" member asserted force in order to maintain order and uphold the peace, it is not a breach of civil liberties. Even you, as an ordinary citizen, have a right and obligation to physically detain or immobilize any violent lawbreaker as long as its within reason (ie. you probably wont get in trouble for pinning down and immobilizing a burglar, but you might get in trouble if you killed said burgurlar (unless he was armed and you felt your life was in imminent danger, which is self-defence, which is totally cool.)
"Most importantly, the government does not give you your rights - you give the government its rights. The burden of protecting your rights lies on you - not the government. If you let a "private police" member violate your rights without using force, you have to accept responsibility for giving in to that voluntarily. If they did use force, then you have a crime."
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This is also up for discussion. The citizen's actions lie in "enjoying" and "utilizing" our rights. the goverment, IN THEORY, are supposed to uphold and protect everyone's constitutional rights. Now I realize that this concept, while noble, doesn't really go into practice as often as we the people would like, but still.
It also goes back to the fact that these men and women with "plastic badges" as I like to call them, are peing compensated for protecting shit, either personal property, public property, and/or private citizens. Thus they should be allowed to use force, just like commisioned police officers do. Of course there will be some dissentions and abuse of power, but as we have seen with numerous previous cases, regular commisioned police officers have, are, and will continue to abuse thier power in rare circumstance
"Now if the government in turn does not respect the boundaries of its own authority and sides with the "private police" in a criminal dispute, that's when it's time to start the revolution because the rest of the law might as well not exist. Until that happens, you should give standard rule of law the benefit of the doubt. "
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Why would it be so bad for the government to side with privatized police? The government still hired these guys, just like they hired the commisioned officers under them. The only real difference is these guys are contractors.
There is a MAJOR shortage of police officers here in Michigan. While I feel that just commisioning more citizens tobe police officers would be the best course of action, these private security firms do serve the same purpose that regular officers do. Id like to see MORE cops, especially in the crummy area where I live (Detroit). But if these private contractors can do just as well, Im satisfied.
Until these guys start abusing thier arrest power (which will happen eventually, much like it happens in most police departments) I say let em work. If anything, it opens up much needed jobs in such a crappy economy.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-01-05 02:28:56 EST (#)
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"Most importantly, the government does not give you your rights - you give the government its rights."
A billion nods to Bart Bart for that one.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-01-05 02:27:12 EST (#)
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So, what, you think health care should be funded with extorted money and run by one central agency? Have you ever lived in a country that does it that way? Canada's health care is free - just like, you know, I broke into your house and took all your stuff because I thought it was in the public interest "for free."
I guess this is what happens when the government drops the ball. Good for them.
Submitted by Mortlock (user info) at 2007-01-05 02:14:07 EST (#)
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You know what I'd like to see...
The real issues of what causes crime to be addressed rather than the more cops, more guns, more jails, less freedoms method of tackling crime the west seems to adore. The USA has more people incarcerated per capita than any other nation on the planet. Land of the free my bleeding fucking asshole! Seriously, when the fuck is enough of this bullshit going to be enough. Perhaps when the one company owns the entire justice system from the police to the the courts to the jails? Looks like it's approaching two out of three and we know that ain't bad.
The automated judge will say - "You've been sentenced to 10 years working as a slave labourer in SecCom's(TM) high security detainment facility. Thank you for being criminally processed by SecCom(TM)and we value you as one of the newest members of the SecCom(TM) family."
"SecCom(TM) - Using security and justice to create competitive American labour."
Submitted by Dieter (user info) at 2007-01-05 01:59:42 EST (#)
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This is not all about civil rights, police authority and other issues, it is about money. These municpalities are hiring rent-a-cop firms because it is CHEAPER than hiring actual police officers. If you read the article, the firm charges the place 35 bucks an hour. I doubt all 35 bucks an hour go to the rent a cop. Probably 13-15 an hour tops. And they probably have benefits that are well below the standard benefits package that the actual police officers in the area have. I am willing to bet that the cost of hiring an actual police officer is quite a bit higher due to benefits, overtime, training, etc. This is just another example of privatization to save money. These "security officers" or "private police" are more like scabs when they are in an area that should be protected by legitimate police personnel. I think this is more of a PBA issue than a rights cause. To whomever said that the wild west had private police: Yeah, there were lots of private police firms, or "detective agencies" most were brutal, corrupt, horrible organizations that make RAMPART look like Eagle Scouts. They were great for breaking strikes, oppression, etc. Also, to the Canadian that made light of bounty hunters, you should know, that a bounty hunter usually goes after an individual who has jumped bail, because a bail bond is a private contract between parties, so jumping bail is breach of a contract, and a bondsman is enforcing that contract with a bounty hunter. Its like hiring a lawyer when someone breaks a contract, only lawyers do not generally have tasers, chevy suburbans and bleached blond mullets.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:48:04 EST (#)
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What's worse is this new law allowing the government to go through anyone's mail without a search warrant for "foreign intelligence purposes."
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:21:53 EST (#)
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A person is either a government officer or they are not. If they are part of the government, they still have to operate with the restrictions placed upon them by the people. If they are not part of the government, they are just like any other citizen.
This means that if a non-government "private police" member asserts force against you in public, it is assault and you have the right to defend yourself with force if necessary.
Most importantly, the government does not give you your rights - you give the government its rights. The burden of protecting your rights lies on you - not the government. If you let a "private police" member violate your rights without using force, you have to accept responsibility for giving in to that voluntarily. If they did use force, then you have a crime.
Now, if the government in turn does not respect the boundaries of its own authority and sides with the "private police" in a criminal dispute, that's when it's time to start the revolution because the rest of the law might as well not exist. Until that happens, you should give standard rule of law the benefit of the doubt.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:21:17 EST (#)
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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2007-01-04 16:57:27 (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-01-04 16:11:42 (#)
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conducting your life(s) so you don't have worry about these jokers might solve the "problem"
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The "if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about" line is the oldest, most tired argument in the book.
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No. The "if you don't believe in my wacko stuff, you are part of the wacko system and are my enemy!" is the most tired arguement in the book.
People should be allowed to say whatever they want, no problems. But when they say something wacky and someone tells them they are nuts, then these idiots resort to "well you are a slave of the government and are an idiot." which is laughable at best.
I doubt the private police in a private security firm on a private apartment complex property is going to become the next SS.
Submitted by Zebra (user info) at 2007-01-04 18:13:14 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Dolson (user info) at 2007-01-04 17:55:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:18:43 (#)
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America has bounty hunters for Gods sake, how is this any different?
I dont think YOURE mad, I think youre ALL mad.
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They're just jealous since they don't have Mounties.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2007-01-04 16:57:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-01-04 16:11:42 (#)
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conducting your life(s) so you don't have worry about these jokers might solve the "problem"
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The "if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about" line is the oldest, most tired argument in the book.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-01-04 16:11:42 EST (#)
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conducting your life(s) so you don't have worry about these jokers might solve the "problem"
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2007-01-04 15:11:03 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:49:01 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:11:14 (#)
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Security guards on private property, OH NOES!!!!!
I would love to get my ass kicked by a security guard who oversteps my rights, or his "citizens arrest" rights. Do you know how much money you could make?
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I think the issue is that they are not "security guards" but rather they have full police arrest and detention powers and don't have to respect your 4th Amendment rights, as mentioned in this sentence: "Some warn, too, that the constitutional safeguards that cover police questioning and searches do not apply in the private sector."
THAT is where the danger lies.
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-01-04 14:26:18 EST (#)
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There is nothing wrong with a privatized security force!
Just look at all the good it did in the "Robocop" movies!
Submitted by jraines (user info) at 2007-01-04 13:51:30 EST (#)
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Good find.
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2007-01-04 13:48:31 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by sergestorms (user info) at 2007-01-04 13:09:50 EST (#)
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i live in an apt. complex w/ hardcore rent- a- cops...my neighbor got wasted staggered into his place, left his wallet on his drivers seat and drivers door opened, the security guard sat in a golf cart watched the car all night, just my own experience....does this privatization concern me? definitely but i havent seen enough examples of them not doing there job yet for me to get my panties in a bunch
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-01-04 12:13:19 EST (#)
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Submitted by HotWillie (user info) at 2007-01-04 03:33:23 (#)
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didnt read
Submitted by ubetidid (user info) at 2007-01-04 12:12:08 EST (#)
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As an average citizen in my city, I am all for more
tax money being spent on public safety; however, my city counil
disagrees.
They want CONDOS CONDOS CONDOS CONDOS CONDOS.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2007-01-04 12:01:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:20:46 (#)
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Why don't you just shut your fucking yaphole for 2 god damn seconds?
The L.A. Police are "real" police yet anyone can take a look at their track record and behavior... Are they a pristine model of crime prevention? Take a look at the horribly ineffective police in any major city from Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, etc.
I thought it was the GOVERNMENT we had to look out for... these guys are private police meaning private business owns them and t hey are given official powers to help them fight crime. What is wrong with this, exactly? If you owned an apartment complex that had a bunch of crack heads always parked in cars in your lots, a bunch of illegal immigrants performing illegal acts, and constant calls of rowdy drunken fights...what would you want to do? Call the shitty local cops or call a private security firm?
This isn't new. The old west was constantly monitored by private law enforcement to control unruly folks. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
But in your white bread neighborhood, I guess you can't comprehend what real crime is. The government is the only force capable of being guilty of crimes to you.
You are an absolute nut, ETS.
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Actually, Stab-type person, he's not as much of a nut as you think. Sure, he's still a psychotic piece of whacko, but on this subject, not so much. These private po-pos wouldn't realistically have public safety in mind, it would be for the good of the company. Imagine a corporate takeover of every aspect of life. Seriously, these companies could come up with new, ridiculous laws, becoming a big, corporate Kim Jong Il. And old Kimmy is kind of a douche.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2007-01-04 11:48:35 EST (#)
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Oh yeah, and my grandfather used to work for Wackenhut... This is fucked the fuck up.
Submitted by erosion_rules (user info) at 2007-01-04 11:47:18 EST (#)
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ETS, I hate you for posting something that I cannot think of a valid reason to -2 you for. You son of a B.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2007-01-04 11:40:46 EST (#)
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isn't the post a conservative rag? why would YOU read it?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 11:39:34 EST (#)
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It's funny, it's a 5"x5" sign anywhere that is visible from the street. Could be the entrance door, could be the lower-right corner of the window farthest from the door.
Most places do post right next to the door and use a larger sign but it is not required.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 11:11:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:56:30 (#)
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I understand that, indo. But IS it posted? And if so, is it posted conspicuously, where you can read it BEFORE entering or only once you've entered or is it more like a shrinkwrap EULA that you can't read or decipher before you open the wrapper?
I'm not weighing in on whether it is good or bad. I can see both sides. My concern is this: If it is not posted conspicuously that you are "giving up" your rights by entering - in other words, you don't know you've given them up until you have already done so because the sign is on the building and not on the entrance to the parking lot - they are legally covered and someone who may not know that concealed weapons are not allowed on the premises (for example) is totally fucked.
And before you retort on the concealed carry part of my argument, a 5"x5" sign is all that is required to disallow concealed weapons in my state.
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Is that 5"x5" on every door?
I can see your concern over this, and I see the potential for many lawsuits over this in the future. However all of the stories have read about this show the rent a cops getting hammered everytime they cross the line, and I don't see that changing.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:56:30 EST (#)
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I understand that, indo. But IS it posted? And if so, is it posted conspicuously, where you can read it BEFORE entering or only once you've entered or is it more like a shrinkwrap EULA that you can't read or decipher before you open the wrapper?
I'm not weighing in on whether it is good or bad. I can see both sides. My concern is this: If it is not posted conspicuously that you are "giving up" your rights by entering - in other words, you don't know you've given them up until you have already done so because the sign is on the building and not on the entrance to the parking lot - they are legally covered and someone who may not know that concealed weapons are not allowed on the premises (for example) is totally fucked.
And before you retort on the concealed carry part of my argument, a 5"x5" sign is all that is required to disallow concealed weapons in my state.
Submitted by hour_man (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:52:11 EST (#)
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I wasn't aware of this.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:51:26 EST (#)
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Rent-A-Pigs have been around forever.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:41:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:07:05 (#)
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"With the sleeve patch on his black shirt, the 9mm gun on his hip and the blue light on his patrol car, he looked like an ordinary police officer as he stopped the car on a Friday night last month. Watt works, though, for a business called Capitol Special Police. It is one of dozens of private security companies given police powers by the state of North Carolina -- and part of a pattern across the United States in which public safety is shifting into private hands."
That's not enough for you?
"In North Carolina, the state Department of Justice requires company police to go through the same basic training as public officers. They have full police powers on the property they are hired to protect."
FULL POLICE POWERS, indo. And since they aren't the government, the government can use material they find without Miranda under what is known as the "good faith" rule of thumb.
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You can't delegate more power than you have, you can't give more power than you have. So if it is in the case of officers patroling in public areas they have to follow all the rules cops do as far as miranda rights, propabale cause and searching people.
Unless it was in the case of a rental property where it was known on the lease that the owner could search anything. As far as private property and they stop you when driving/walking, if it is posted that they can search when you enter, you give up your rights by going in.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:33:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by Chillax (user info) at 2007-01-04 07:30:32 (#)
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Looks bad, but I recently had my faith in the truth of newspapers shaken. +1 for uncertainty.
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The Associated Press constantly prints stories without proof of sources that are legitimate. Then when they are investigated by outside sources for this information, they call those people names rather than provide evidence of a real source.
The government also feeds bad info to papers to get a reaction from other countries. I don't know if I would consider that printed lies, rather than the newspaper not exactly doing good reporting. They fall right into the government's hands...
I remember a story about Libya years ago that was 100% false and it was admitted much later that this was the case. It was obvious to me at the time...that's why I remembered it. It was a great tactic by the gov't though... I'm glad they do those things, to tell you the truth. It is the media's responsibility to simply report the truth and if they constantly go for sensationalism, they'll always be lying to the people.... No government conspiracy theories, no government scam, only a greedy asshole in charge at X media company.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:20:46 EST (#)
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Why don't you just shut your fucking yaphole for 2 god damn seconds?
The L.A. Police are "real" police yet anyone can take a look at their track record and behavior... Are they a pristine model of crime prevention? Take a look at the horribly ineffective police in any major city from Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, etc.
I thought it was the GOVERNMENT we had to look out for... these guys are private police meaning private business owns them and t hey are given official powers to help them fight crime. What is wrong with this, exactly? If you owned an apartment complex that had a bunch of crack heads always parked in cars in your lots, a bunch of illegal immigrants performing illegal acts, and constant calls of rowdy drunken fights...what would you want to do? Call the shitty local cops or call a private security firm?
This isn't new. The old west was constantly monitored by private law enforcement to control unruly folks. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
But in your white bread neighborhood, I guess you can't comprehend what real crime is. The government is the only force capable of being guilty of crimes to you.
You are an absolute nut, ETS.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:18:43 EST (#)
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America has bounty hunters for Gods sake, how is this any different?
I dont think YOURE mad, I think youre ALL mad.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:16:06 EST (#)
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they have those in boston, too. THE END IS NEAR!!
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 10:07:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:25:25 (#)
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That is the thing, they don't have full police and arrest powers. When it comes to rental property the owner may stipulate that they can search apts (that might be illegal) but if you refuse to listen to them (drive away, lock your door etc) all they can do is call the cops. They can only "arrest" you if they witness a felony, just like any citizen making a "citizen's arrest".
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"With the sleeve patch on his black shirt, the 9mm gun on his hip and the blue light on his patrol car, he looked like an ordinary police officer as he stopped the car on a Friday night last month. Watt works, though, for a business called Capitol Special Police. It is one of dozens of private security companies given police powers by the state of North Carolina -- and part of a pattern across the United States in which public safety is shifting into private hands."
That's not enough for you?
"In North Carolina, the state Department of Justice requires company police to go through the same basic training as public officers. They have full police powers on the property they are hired to protect."
FULL POLICE POWERS, indo. And since they aren't the government, the government can use material they find without Miranda under what is known as the "good faith" rule of thumb.
Submitted by Scott_James (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:54:23 EST (#)
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"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"
-- This is the way it has always been. Why does so much of this surprise you?
Happy New Year to you both, by the way.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:25:25 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:49:01 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:11:14 (#)
Ranking: -2
Security guards on private property, OH NOES!!!!!
I would love to get my ass kicked by a security guard who oversteps my rights, or his "citizens arrest" rights. Do you know how much money you could make?
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I think the issue is that they are not "security guards" but rather they have full police arrest and detention powers and don't have to respect your 4th Amendment rights, as mentioned in this sentence: "Some warn, too, that the constitutional safeguards that cover police questioning and searches do not apply in the private sector."
THAT is where the danger lies
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That is the thing, they don't have full police and arrest powers. When it comes to rental property the owner may stipulate that they can search apts (that might be illegal) but if you refuse to listen to them (drive away, lock your door etc) all they can do is call the cops. They can only "arrest" you if they witness a felony, just like any citizen making a "citizen's arrest".
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:23:56 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
can't be any worse than the shaven headed thug excuse for police you cunts have already.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:21:01 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Well I'd like to tell you all about my dream, it's a place
Where strip malls abound and diversion's mere moments away
Where culture's defined by the
Ones least refined
And you'll be left behind
If you don't fit in
It's all distorted
In americana my way
Well, fuck you!
Well my dream has come true
My vision has come true
Now give me my cable, fast food, four-by's, tat's right away
I want it right now cause my generation don't like to wait
My future's determined by
Thieves, thugs, and vermin
It's quite an excursion
But it's okay
Everything's backwards
In americana my way
Well, fuck you!
Well my dream has come true
My vision has come true
I'm a product
Of my environment
So don't blame me, I just work here but I wanna fuck you!
My rights are denied by
Those least qualified
Trading profit for pride
But it's okay
Everything's backwards
In americana my way
Well, fuck you!
My nightmare has come true
My nightmare has come true
Yeah, it's all coming true
Yeah, it's all coming true
Submitted by DeathJester (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:19:37 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
WTF I'M NOT READING ALL THAT!
Write something.
Submitted by cshape (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:15:34 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
That's fucked.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-01-04 09:07:04 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
This just made me think of Kuffs, and now I need to watch that movie again dammit.
But on a serious note it is worrying.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:59:15 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:54:19 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Spooky , but it will happen . The hunger of capitalism is infinite .
it will eat anything until it has consumed everything . It's in it's nature .
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:49:01 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:11:14 (#)
Ranking: -2
Security guards on private property, OH NOES!!!!!
I would love to get my ass kicked by a security guard who oversteps my rights, or his "citizens arrest" rights. Do you know how much money you could make?
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I think the issue is that they are not "security guards" but rather they have full police arrest and detention powers and don't have to respect your 4th Amendment rights, as mentioned in this sentence: "Some warn, too, that the constitutional safeguards that cover police questioning and searches do not apply in the private sector."
THAT is where the danger lies.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:40:46 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
furthermore I find it disgusting that Pelosi is using her cunt as a platform.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:13:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
We don't think you're crazy for moaning about shitlike this, we think you're crazy when you contradict basic logic/the laws of physics....reading through that article, it doesn't sound....good.....but I'm not too worried about it, surely there are far more dangerous signs about than that....
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-01-04 08:11:14 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Security guards on private property, OH NOES!!!!!
I would love to get my ass kicked by a security guard who oversteps my rights, or his "citizens arrest" rights. Do you know how much money you could make?
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-01-04 07:37:04 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
I'm sorry, but this is fucking stupid. You should be allowed to police private property.
Most cops are out there making arrests that give them payout anyway. DUI's & other traffic tickets.
Submitted by Chillax (user info) at 2007-01-04 07:30:32 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
Looks bad, but I recently had my faith in the truth of newspapers shaken. +1 for uncertainty.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-01-04 07:10:12 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
hey, just think!
No more fruit from the poisonous tree!
police who are not the agents of government do not have to follow the fourth amendment.
but this will go the way of private corrections.
Bottom line will always win over public safety.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-01-04 07:02:25 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Now taking the over/under on the ETS/Filthy divorce