Skyhook and the Wi-Fi Positioning System (Your laptop as a tracking device) (1211 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-01-19 12:41:07 EST
The other day, a friend of a friend, who I'll henceforth refer to as 'Elmer', just happened to be in my neighborhood on a job and was looking for a little R&R downtime with interesting personages. Being only too happy to be of service, we met up at my place where the conversation naturally turned to the curious work he was doing.
What made his work so curious was that it merely consisted of driving around neighborhoods. That's it. Just driving...
Why, you ask, would anyone pay someone else to just drive around and sleep and eat? Why, if such an ideal job existed, one that allowed you to pretend you were on permanent vacation while you were on the clock, didn't your high school guidance counselor inform you of this BEFORE all those expensive student loans? What was the meaning of this craziness?
It turns out Elmer works for a company called 'Skyhook', and as far as he knew, the meaning of his job had something to do with the Palm device in his front seat that was constantly scanning for and recording the precise locations of all the Wi-Fi networks in the area.
Did Elmer have any idea what this information was for? Not really. While Elmer did express a hint of concern about not exactly knowing the full details of what he was doing driving up and down every street in my city, and while he personally felt the name 'Skyhook' sounded like some kind of CIA code name, he was more than happy to have such a job that allowed for these kind of flexible hours and afforded him a certain freedom that cannot be found behind a desk.
Unable to resist the burning curiosity, I Googled the company name, 'Skyhook', and discovered the official website of 'Skyhook Wireless' (http://www.skyhookwireless.com/). On it, they describe a tracking system they are developing for commercial and private use, the Wi-Fi Positioning System (WPS), that will allow for pinpoint tracking accuracy in cities whether indoors or outdoors. According to their website, GPS tracking systems aren't always accurate enough to be reliable in urban settings, do not work well indoors, are expensive, and experience latency in getting accurate positioning, but, they claim, their WPS system overcomes these obstacles.
Here is a quote from their website:
"Skyhook Wireless was founded on the belief that location is a key contextual element of mobile communication. The company's vision is to expand the market for Location-Based Services (LBS) by making precise location information accessible to users and application providers.
At a time when the number of mobile devices is increasing into the billions, the connectivity and processing power of these devices is also increasing greatly. This is providing business with productivity gains and enabling consumers greater freedom in how they interact. Additionally, adoption of 802.11 (Wi-Fi) technology by consumers and industry has proceeded more quickly than the most aggressive predictions. Today, more than 10 million Wi-Fi access points have been deployed in both public and private networks resulting in a ubiquitous cloud of radio signals in the metropolitan areas of the United States.
In 2003, the founders of Skyhook recognized these two technology trends and began developing a platform to take advantage of these realities. Today, the Wi-Fi Positioning System (WPS) from Skyhook Wireless is the only commercial, metro-area positioning system that provides highly precise location capabilities inside and outdoors."
One can only guess at the kinds of consumer uses such a system might have...
Need a dozen roses delivered precisely where you're standing on the street? Need to know, as you walk or drive, where the nearest salon is, and do you want them to inform you of any special services they are offering or sign you up for their e-mail newsletter as you proceed past their storefront? Looking for a friend in a crowded plaza?
No problem, Skyhook also has a toolbar called 'Loki' (http://loki.com/) which, when downloaded and installed in any Wi-Fi enabled device, will allow others to pinpoint your exact location and vice versa, and as of January 2007, anyone with AOL Instant Messenger installed on their Wi-Fi enabled device will have these self-same capabilities built into their software: http://loki.com/blog/2007/01/18/aim-adds-location-based-presence-with-skyhookloki/
So whether you are looking to hook up with littlemisshottie69.at.aol.com in a more intimate setting, have a pizza delivered to wherever you might be standing at 3:00, or inform the minions at the Secret Service of your every move, (sorry, it just slipped out), according to the visionaries at Skyhook you'll now be able to do that with increasing accuracy.
Now if someone could just figure out how to get a tracking device directly in our bodies, like, I don't know, maybe our foreheads, we wouldn't even need the laptop anymore!
It sure is exciting living in the 21st century!
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/news/reigncom.html
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-24 02:45:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-24 02:35:15 (#)
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http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/hearings.html
The first hearing on the topic was in October 2001, a month after 9/11. Yes, the on the book reason for the mandate is 911 support, but the opening "reminds us" that if we had cell phone GPS tracking in place on 9/11, fewer people would have died.
Get the rules changed and implemented before anyone realizes the impact. Use 9/11 or 911 as the root cause even though the vast majority of use will be for privacy invasion.
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I am not disagreeing about privacy concerns in the least bit... it can be used to track you.
GPS cannot track you without a transmitter, but the phone has one built in relaying the GPS codes no doubt...meaning they can pin you down to whatever the government sets the GPS accuracy at.
Of course, if you shut your phone off you can't be tracked...end of story. Of course, nobody can call you either.
I saw an article on this claiming $50 of the cost into the phone...I laughed. GPS technology is down to about $1 per chip from another site I found. I have heard of people using palm pilots attached to the underside of a girl's car that they are stalking. Obviously you need the GPS unit and something to record the track of the GPS... without a transmitter, it is useless. I suppose a small program could look for an open connection and send a signal out...like this post is talking about. Then your automobiles can be tracked...cell phone or not.
Technology, even devious technology, is very interesting. How small can they make a GPS & transmitter with enough hardware to send a signal to an open wifi connection? A portable receiving device? A satellite?
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-24 02:35:15 EST (#)
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http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/hearings.html
The first hearing on the topic was in October 2001, a month after 9/11. Yes, the on the book reason for the mandate is 911 support, but the opening "reminds us" that if we had cell phone GPS tracking in place on 9/11, fewer people would have died.
Get the rules changed and implemented before anyone realizes the impact. Use 9/11 or 911 as the root cause even though the vast majority of use will be for privacy invasion.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-01-24 01:56:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-24 01:20:25 (#)
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All new cell phones are required to have GPS in them for "emergency" use ever since 9/11. While this wifi tracking sounds bad, I don't mind as much because most of my rights have already been eroded.
Oh, and Alberto Gonzales says Americans don't have a right to habeas corpus.
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The GPS was mainly put in their to help 911 (not 9/11) services. It makes sense in case of an emergency. Too bad it couldn't help James Kim...
Also, you don't deserve any rights so why are you bitching? I was going to say "When did you ever have your rights imposed on?!?" but then I remembered....
I tipped the feds on Shitfuck and you helped them hunt him down...for America. God bless you, Bart.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-01-24 01:20:25 EST (#)
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All new cell phones are required to have GPS in them for "emergency" use ever since 9/11. While this wifi tracking sounds bad, I don't mind as much because most of my rights have already been eroded.
Oh, and Alberto Gonzales says Americans don't have a right to habeas corpus.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-01-21 23:46:22 EST (#)
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THATS AN IN-MY-FACE BLURB
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2007-01-20 18:48:55 EST (#)
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i'm paying too much at the pump to worry about this.
oh wait.
another brilliant prediction.
Submitted by Scott_James (user info) at 2007-01-20 12:41:41 EST (#)
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littlemisshottie69.at.aol.com is refusing to return my emails. Bitch.
There are alternative uses for this type of technology that aren't abuses of privacy and civil liberties.
Already in the UK, persons who wish to contact the emergency services via a cellular device should dial 112 rather than 999 because the former instantly connects you with a satellite tracking system and you need not have to worry about giving your location and waste valuable seconds.
Not every dark alley has a mugger or a rapist lying in wait.
Submitted by Falconer (user info) at 2007-01-20 12:39:50 EST (#)
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Skyhook = Skynet.
TERMINATORS!!!!!!! OH NOES!
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2007-01-20 12:21:41 EST (#)
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"I'm just a poor little shopkeeper. I mind my business and obey the law. I read the Torah
and go to Temple. They don't care about me."
-Abraham <insert Jewish name>, Germany, 1938
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2007-01-20 11:13:21 EST (#)
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i have to agree. this is pretty worrying..... for you lot
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-01-20 03:24:48 EST (#)
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Submitted by Zol (user info) at 2007-01-20 01:17:33 EST (#)
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pal they can get u with or without wifi so pls stfu.
We have analyzed your defensive capabilities as being unable to withstand us.
If you defend yourselves, you will be punished.
Resistance is futile.
u will be assimilated.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-01-19 22:50:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:16:52 (#)
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Actually, I've spent part of an afternoon with an insanely geeky friend driving around and finding people's networks. Amazing how many of them were poorly protected.
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 18:35:18 EST (#)
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The fucking idiots are everywhere. Haliburton? What? A??A()#$*#@)(&% Yea what he said, shut up!
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:52:33 (#)
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Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:48:07 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings.
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1) halliburton is a commercial enterprise
2) if its voluntary wy is his friend driving arounf recording every wi-fi location
3) True, but what better way than to hide it in a commercial company
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1- What?
2- it is voluntary to USE, asshat. I don't use WiFi, they cant get me!
3 - shut up, retard.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:52:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:48:07 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings.
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1) halliburton is a commercial enterprise
2) if its voluntary wy is his friend driving arounf recording every wi-fi location
3) True, but what better way than to hide it in a commercial company
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1- What?
2- it is voluntary to USE, asshat. I don't use WiFi, they cant get me!
3 - shut up, retard.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:48:07 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings.
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1) halliburton is a commercial enterprise
2) if its voluntary wy is his friend driving arounf recording every wi-fi location
3) True, but what better way than to hide it in a commercial company
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:34:37 EST (#)
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Fuck yeah. And UPC codes, man...they TRACK you man! Then they get you library card and...track what you read. Yesterday a spook was disguised as a racoon and tried to steal my info from the trach. Luckily I had my +3 Broom of Spy Detection and chased him away. I can only imagine the plot they have in mind when tey locate me through my Wii. Think they'll challenge me to Wii Sports Bowling and then ship me off to a gulag when I school their ass? They are after me through my cell phone to, man! It's so freaky, man, people have been saying this since the sixties and shit has happened yet. But you, man. you know the truth and "they" want to control you with your Nintendo DS, man. Aww, man, it hurts to think about this, man.
I gotta take a nap.
Submitted by The_Cyst_Master (user info) at 2007-01-19 17:29:42 EST (#)
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This is funny. I was under the impression you were a black female.
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 16:21:57 EST (#)
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Exactly.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:55:48 (#)
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Wi Fi is shit at the best of times and governments are run by idiots, this combination makes it unlikely that the CIA are tracking us in their top secret Aurora airships and taking us out with laser sattellites...nevertheless Im stockpiling tinfoil, just in case
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 16:19:36 EST (#)
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No arguements there either but I don't think AOL is really going to package this in and enable it by default... Even if they do they will get a shitload of bad press due to teh obvious privacy concerns and will quickly reverse their position.
Let's not all be hysterical about something that hasn't happened yet and may never happen. No need to immediately assume anything that could be abused will be abused until it is. There's a huge community of computer nerds out there that love to expose security flaws and absue of shit like this. It's not likely and ETS is blowing things out of proportion here.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:24:01 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings. 4.) Other things I'm sure he uses can already be used to track him far more accurately than this, for example a cell phone. The government can get access to those records and pinpoint you through the cell tower you're connected to. They can do this even when you're not making a call because modern phones are always "on the network" listening for texts and so on.
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I hear you homer. I guess my take away from this post was the "anyone with AOL Instant Messenger installed on their Wi-Fi enabled device will have these self-same capabilities built into their software:" bit. I find it unsettling when things like that are "built in". You do make a good point, no one is forcing anyone to use AOL Instant Messenger, it's purely voluntary. However, I suspect many people will download and install this program unaware of its tracking capabilities. Who's fault is that? "Caveat emptor", perhaps? I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect consumers to know/research that much about the products they buy. It just seems underhanded to slip something like that in and it's been my experience that if someone's doing something in an underhanded manner, their ultimate goal is probably not noble.
Good point on the cell phones though. If someone wanted to track you today, that'd probably be the most efficient way to do it. Don't forget about the brain cancer though, there's always the brain cancer.
Submitted by jade_digitalmedia (user info) at 2007-01-19 16:10:34 EST (#)
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We are working on implementing this at Disney World, for a kind of scavenger hunt. It is already used all over Orlando to identify historical spots and give an audio visual history as you walk around downtown with your PDA.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-01-19 16:00:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:45:24 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this. The government is way to busy with important things to worry about
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The "If you have nothing to hide, why are you worried?" mindset is so terrifying. It essentially represents the fact that you have divorced you liberties from what you perceive to be your freedom. For example, let us say you were pulled over on your way to work tomorrow, taken into custody and held for 3 months while everything you own is searched and examined by some government agency. Over these three months, you are held without charges or access to counsel and suffer financially by: losing your job, missing mortgage payments, missing car payments, etc... Would you be angry? Well, if you had nothing to hide, why should you care?
Removing personal liberties takes away everyone's freedom, whether you have "something to hide" or not. We are only as free as the personal liberties we have.
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That mindset is terrifying because we live in a world that is very aptly described as 'FUCKED'.
But, the sentiment is the same: I live a good life. I am honest, empathetic and generally good natured. I don't steal, rape, kill or maim other people. I have no interest in creating bombs nor do I have any affiliation with hate groups - even if I do hate stupid people.
SO - why should I HAVE to fear 'big brother'? (Rhetorical, obviously.)
As much as jackasses like Homer and Shlongy rail against 'nut-job' conspiracy theorists out there - we know deep down in our no places that human nature is so rotten and selfish and laced with greed that we will fuck each other over almost every chance we get.
Evil exists within the heart and mind of man, and there are interested parties actively manipulating as many of the disinterested and distracted human beings as they possibly can in order to ensure their continued comfort and relative success in life. Advertising is the most benign and recognizable example of this - but close examination of the stock market and global politics requires FAR more brain power than the average asshole is willing to exude.
So we shut our brains off to it. Willfully ignore the bad, suck up the good.
I think there are WAY more of us 'good' folks out there than bad ones - but the evil mother fuckers have motive.
We have American Idol and our blissful ignorance. (Fair trade for most of us.)
The only answer to our mounting humanity woes is simple: complete transparency, full accountability, responsibility, pervasive education, positive action and enforcement of established law and principles and truly establishing meaningful communication around the world.
I think we should all try and get that going on Tuesday. (After Idol, of course.)
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:55:48 EST (#)
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Wi Fi is shit at the best of times and governments are run by idiots, this combination makes it unlikely that the CIA are tracking us in their top secret Aurora airships and taking us out with laser sattellites...nevertheless Im stockpiling tinfoil, just in case
Submitted by ih8u2man (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:38:47 EST (#)
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Ignorance is bliss. Fuck, are you ever on top of this kind of shit.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:29:44 EST (#)
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Fucking telescreens!
I printed this out and put it in the memory hole.
We are at war with Eurasia. We have ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia.
I need the new edition of the Newspeak dictionary. Anyone have it? Also, I'm out of Victory Gin.
Ok, I'm off. I've got to go to the 2 minutes of hate and then to my women's auxillary anti-sex league meeting.
We are at war with Eastasia. We have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.
BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:24:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings. 4.) Other things I'm sure he uses can already be used to track him far more accurately than this, for example a cell phone. The government can get access to those records and pinpoint you through the cell tower you're connected to. They can do this even when you're not making a call because modern phones are always "on the network" listening for texts and so on.
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I hear you homer. I guess my take away from this post was the "anyone with AOL Instant Messenger installed on their Wi-Fi enabled device will have these self-same capabilities built into their software:" bit. I find it unsettling when things like that are "built in". You do make a good point, no one is forcing anyone to use AOL Instant Messenger, it's purely voluntary. However, I suspect many people will download and install this program unaware of its tracking capabilities. Who's fault is that? "Caveat emptor", perhaps? I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect consumers to know/research that much about the products they buy. It just seems underhanded to slip something like that in and it's been my experience that if someone's doing something in an underhanded manner, their ultimate goal is probably not noble.
Good point on the cell phones though. If someone wanted to track you today, that'd probably be the most efficient way to do it. Don't forget about the brain cancer though, there's always the brain cancer.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:18:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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I must be really catching on to this whole ubersite thing because I already know whenever I see a post from electrictoothsyndrome I know it's going to be full of some wild conspiracy theory paranoid dellusional bullshit.
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home, ets loves the heat, and he will camp on his posts for hours. just drop a -2 and leave, that's the best thing to do.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-01-19 15:16:52 EST (#)
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Actually, I've spent part of an afternoon with an insanely geeky friend driving around and finding people's networks. Amazing how many of them were poorly protected.
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:49:14 EST (#)
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St_Jimmy,
Don't get me wrong I agree with you whole-heartedly... My point is a few things. 1.)That he's singling out is a commercial enterprise not a government spy device. 2.) It's voluntary to use it, if you don't like it don't use it. 3.) If the government wants to be evil they have better, more accurate, higher-tech ways to track your comings and goings. 4.) Other things I'm sure he uses can already be used to track him far more accurately than this, for example a cell phone. The government can get access to those records and pinpoint you through the cell tower you're connected to. They can do this even when you're not making a call because modern phones are always "on the network" listening for texts and so on. 5.) There is no grand conspiracy. 6.) The submitter is an asshole, he thinks the government used laser beams to blow up the world trade center.
So on and so forth. I don't support diminishing civil liberties, but at the same time I don't get that bent out of shape about every little thing that MIGHT be used to track me, ESPECIALLY if I can opt out of using it. I'm not that important to spy on and neither is ETS.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:45:24 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this. The government is way to busy with important things to worry about
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The "If you have nothing to hide, why are you worried?" mindset is so terrifying. It essentially represents the fact that you have divorced you liberties from what you perceive to be your freedom. For example, let us say you were pulled over on your way to work tomorrow, taken into custody and held for 3 months while everything you own is searched and examined by some government agency. Over these three months, you are held without charges or access to counsel and suffer financially by: losing your job, missing mortgage payments, missing car payments, etc... Would you be angry? Well, if you had nothing to hide, why should you care?
Removing personal liberties takes away everyone's freedom, whether you have "something to hide" or not. We are only as free as the personal liberties we have.
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:44:46 EST (#)
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"anyone with AOL Instant Messenger installed on their Wi-Fi enabled device will have these self-same capabilities built into their software: http://loki.com/blog/2007/01/18/aim-adds-location-based-presence-with-skyhookloki/"
If AIM/skyhook don't have an 'off' option for that ready, they're going to get torn to shreads by the anti-paedophile brigade.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-01-19 14:36:44 EST (#)
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auto nutjob -2.
My pleasure.
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:45:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this. The government is way to busy with important things to worry about
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The "If you have nothing to hide, why are you worried?" mindset is so terrifying. It essentially represents the fact that you have divorced you liberties from what you perceive to be your freedom. For example, let us say you were pulled over on your way to work tomorrow, taken into custody and held for 3 months while everything you own is searched and examined by some government agency. Over these three months, you are held without charges or access to counsel and suffer financially by: losing your job, missing mortgage payments, missing car payments, etc... Would you be angry? Well, if you had nothing to hide, why should you care?
Removing personal liberties takes away everyone's freedom, whether you have "something to hide" or not. We are only as free as the personal liberties we have.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:42:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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I must be really catching on to this whole ubersite thing because I already know whenever I see a post from electrictoothsyndrome I know it's going to be full of some wild conspiracy theory paranoid dellusional bullshit.
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STFU alter
ETS - thanks for the info. This was a good read.
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:41:39 EST (#)
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Here we go again, he quotes the free press of the retards "Prison Planet" - lol. A respected media outlet for sure. You're a fucking moron get lost.
All right then, 'Kevin' McVeigh.
*rolls eyes*
It was TIMOTHY McVeigh, and there are some serious questions concerning who was really behind the bombing he got blamed for.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/181206mcveighvideo.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3272698624135234456
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:40:32 EST (#)
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Thank God for the uberboard. I never would have seen this dog shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:33:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
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You're an asshole.
This technology is cool and useful. If you don't like it don't use it. The government and big brother has better ways to track you if they want to than this you idiot. It's already relatively easy to pinpoint a cell signal and the government has access to this data if and when they want it. It's used all the time by law enforcement. If you're so worried about this you better not use a cell phone or a credit card or any modern technology at all for that matter. I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this. The government is way to busy with important things to worry about which gay bar your dumbass likes to visit every tuesday. Although it's conspiracy theorist morons like you that sometimes let your paranoid dellusions get the better of you and blow shit up (i.e. Kevin McVeigh). Ironically the government does have a vested interest in watching, I'm sure they're not though because they are encompetent.
You have already voiced your opinion that you are a 911 conspiracy theory supporter... This means you have publicly announced your intelligence level at somewhere in the range between a smart ape and a severely mentally retarded person. Stop trying to sound like you know anything, you don't.
I must be really catching on to this whole ubersite thing because I already know whenever I see a post from electrictoothsyndrome I know it's going to be full of some wild conspiracy theory paranoid dellusional bullshit.
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All right then, 'Kevin' McVeigh.
*rolls eyes*
It was TIMOTHY McVeigh, and there are some serious questions concerning who was really behind the bombing he got blamed for.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/181206mcveighvideo.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3272698624135234456
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:27:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 (#)
Ranking: -2
"...I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this."
Submitted by St_Jimmy (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:21:49 EST (#)
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I've missed you ETS!
It works using your laptop for now, but soon enough, the tracking will be done using the chips we'll all have for making purchases! The cash-less society is closer than you think! http://tinyurl.com/38j693
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:20:05 EST (#)
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It's funny that you have a real job (assuming that's true).
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:45:20 (#)
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Awesome, I've been looking for a way to track our shithead sales people in other states that do absolutely no work except sit home and make phone calls, when they should be out meeting with clients, thanks!
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:18:38 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
You're an asshole.
This technology is cool and useful. If you don't like it don't use it. The government and big brother has better ways to track you if they want to than this you idiot. It's already relatively easy to pinpoint a cell signal and the government has access to this data if and when they want it. It's used all the time by law enforcement. If you're so worried about this you better not use a cell phone or a credit card or any modern technology at all for that matter. I have nothing to hide so I don't care about stuff like this. The government is way to busy with important things to worry about which gay bar your dumbass likes to visit every tuesday. Although it's conspiracy theorist morons like you that sometimes let your paranoid dellusions get the better of you and blow shit up (i.e. Kevin McVeigh). Ironically the government does have a vested interest in watching, I'm sure they're not though because they are encompetent.
You have already voiced your opinion that you are a 911 conspiracy theory supporter... This means you have publicly announced your intelligence level at somewhere in the range between a smart ape and a severely mentally retarded person. Stop trying to sound like you know anything, you don't.
I must be really catching on to this whole ubersite thing because I already know whenever I see a post from electrictoothsyndrome I know it's going to be full of some wild conspiracy theory paranoid dellusional bullshit.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:16:59 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
interesting.
Submitted by Pentameter (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:14:58 EST (#)
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Well this should make things a lot easier for pedophiles, huh? Now the kids don't even need to tell them where they live while they're chatting with them on AIM!
Submitted by Jorge_Burrito (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:11:21 EST (#)
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Wasn't this the plot to one of the Charlie's Angels Movies? ERRRR not that I have watched those.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-01-19 13:07:27 EST (#)
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The company is currently looking for 'scanners'.
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/scanning/upload.php
Who knows, after a few months in the position, you might become a scanner darkly...
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:57:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:45:20 (#)
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Awesome, I've been looking for a way to track our shithead sales people in other states that do absolutely no work except sit home and make phone calls, when they should be out meeting with clients, thanks! '''
Yeah! They should be in the 9th ward in New Orleans hawking their 'gold' to negroes!
Lazy cunts!
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:51:57 EST (#)
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You may be one of the smartest people on this website. Even if I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, I can still recognize that.
Submitted by ajanssen (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:47:43 EST (#)
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Will it help me find my cigarette lighter? I need a Marlboro like I need a fuckin blowjob. Guess I'll have to use the toaster. Or maybe thats just what they want me to do...
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:46:10 EST (#)
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interesting article
Big Brother is a tricky son of a bitch isn't he? Make things his advertisers told us we couldn't live without his means of controlling us. We gladly pay for our own enslavement, right?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-01-19 12:45:20 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Awesome, I've been looking for a way to track our shithead sales people in other states that do absolutely no work except sit home and make phone calls, when they should be out meeting with clients, thanks!