Advertising to Children in School - An Expose on Channel One's New World Order Connections (1915 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-02-13 03:04:04 EST
Do you ever feel like you're a target? Like someone is out to get you? Like every step you take in life is being somehow monitored and analyzed for the slightest details and then extrapolated into some kind of database of information that is further used to track and control your thoughts and habits? If you've never felt this way, you probably haven't considered very deeply the commercial aspect of modern life and how the seemingly innocuous profession of marketing has and continues to influence the very fabric of civilization. Let us examine just one of the many examples of how marketing has managed to, if not shape our society at the source, thrust its ugly head into our lives and the lives of our children...
Anyone who went to an American public school from the early 1990s to the present is likely to remember being forced to watch the pseudo-news (formative propaganda) program "Channel One".
My foreign readers may find this concept alien and frankly so did I, but the truth is, beginning in the early 1990s American schools, apparently faced with questions of how to further fund their football teams at the expense of their music programs saw fit to make a deal with a firm called Primedia to allow an approximately 20 minute program called "Channel One" to be pumped into their school in the mornings.
The school board in my county signed a contract with Primera which mandated that the school play the advertiment-laden programming every morning before the start of the school day. According to what I've been able to since find out about the standard contract. the school would play the program on at least 80% of its school days, reaching at least 90% of its students, and in return the school got shiny new media network systems complete with TVs in every classroom (systems which Primedia retained ownership of), and, I presume, some kind of monetary kickback.
The school day started something like this...
"Snickers, it really satisfies...Get the cool new Trapperkeeper...Drink Coke...Be like Mike, Just Do It...Get rid of your embarrassing acne with Clearasil...Tampax Maxipads are ultra absorbent...Today in Iraq, U.S. soldiers struck a blow to Saddam Hussein's Republican Army when blah blah blah...Do the Dew...Levi's 501 Blues...Buy this, buy that, you're worth it!
Think marketing to underage kids in their formative years sounds a bit fucked up? It gets better...
As it turns out, Primedia is owned by an investment firm called Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR) who built their $100bn empire in the 70s and 80s by being the pirates of the corporate takeover world and, besides Primedia, has had such widespread financial interests as Toys 'R Us, R.J. Reynolds Nabisco, Safeway, Executive Life (which was the first life insurance firm to declare bankrupcy since the Great Depression), and Shoppers Drug Mart (Canadian Company), Owens-Illinois, Inc., Borden Inc., Spalding Holdings Corporation, Accuride Corporation, Amphenol Corporation, Borden Chemical Inc., The Boyds Collection Ltd., The Gillette Company, KSL Recreation Corporation, Sotheby's Holdings Inc., Evenflo Company Inc., and something called KinderCare Learning Centers Inc., to name a few.
Some of the products made by the companies in its holdings portfolio include Motor Trend Magazine, Seventeen Magazine, Camel Cigarettes, Kool Cigarettes, Chips Ahoy!, Fig Newtons, Mallomars, and Oreos, to name a few.
So let's get this straight, the company that owns RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company, a company that was involved in a European mafia money laundering scandal, a company who makes cigarette packages featuring now infamous cartoon characters, is allowed to peddle its wares and opinions every morning to children through Channel One not to mention operate a business called "KinderCare Learning Centers Inc."? *Puts Q-Tip in ear to check hearing*
Outraged yet? It gets better...
According to this website, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Primedia , Channel One owner "Primedia employed disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and associate Tony Rudy from 1999 through 2003, to lobby for Channel One. "Although it is not clear what Mr. Abramoff's firm did for Channel One, the network has faced a number of legislative threats," reports AdAge, including proposed "regulations to limit how marketers reach students. Channel One also derived much of its ad revenue from government agencies, including the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy and military recruitment efforts." A Primedia spokesman said Abramoff's Channel One work "did not include any effort to secure government agency advertising."
Ok, let's review:
a) advertising to minors in school while they should be thinking about bigger and better things than what brand of acne medication they're using? CHECK
b) ethical conflicts of interest rising from a single company owning both a criminally-implicated tobacco company while at the same time operating a television channel designed for youngsters? CHECK
c) hiring Jack Abramoff to lobby for your children's channel? CHECK
Boy, this has the makings of a pretty good Dateline News program, right? Wrong. Dateline will never air it. Why? You'll see. It gets better...
According to the same website, "Primedia contributed at least $2,500 to Texans for a Republican Majority (TRM) in 2002. The contribution was made by Demetrius McDaniel, an Akin Gump lobbyist, on behalf of Primedia. In February 2004, Mr. McDaniel was called to testify before a grand jury about the donation, due to an investigation into illegal campaign contributions to the TRM PAC."
Also, according to this site, http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=262801 , Henry R. Kravis, a founding member of KKR and current director of many of its subsidiary companies is "a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and serves on the boards of the Partnership for New York City, the New York City Investment Fund, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Mount Sinai Hospital, Public Television Channel 13/WNET New York, and the Rockefeller University.
Well, look-a-there! Whaddaya know! It's our old friends the CFR and the Rockefellers! Throw in the $60+ million contributions to establishment darling Columbia University and I want to strip off my clothing and worship Molech/Lucifer right here and now!
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Ready to call me a conspicacist nutjob with no grasp on reality yet? Wait, I'm not finished...
From the same site, here is Mr. Kravis commenting on a development proposal between Beijing Vantone Chairman Lun Feng and WTC Developer Larry Silverstein for something called a "China Center" on the site of the old WTC7 building:
"The China Center is a great example of what can be accomplished through public-private collaboration, both here at home and reaching across the world to the government and business leadership of China."
Furthermore, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, in April, 2002, Kravis gave $250,000 in soft money to the Republican National Committee and, according to newsmeat.com, has contributed to campaigns for the likes of Joe Lieberman, Dennis Hastert, Charles Schumer, Trent Lott, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, and George W. Bush over the years totaling in the hundreds of thousands. And that's just what we know about. http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=kravis&first=henry&city=&zip=&xst=&next=25
Another KKR associate, Stuart Scott, has given thousands of dollars to political candidates and political action committees. http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Greenwich&st=CT&last=STUART&first=SCOTT
In conclusion, while nothing contained within this post is patently 'illegal', it outlines a clear hypocrisy and lack of ethical reserve within the ranks of one of our country's largest corporations. In my estimation, this is par for the course in this day and age. Question is, how long will we put up with it? Can it be stopped? And do we have the will to stop it?
The Channel One generation, now a decade old, seems to be answering "no, we just can't be bothered". Is it really any wonder?
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Submitted by shmack92 (user info) at 2007-07-09 11:08:48 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Antioxident (user info) at 2007-03-05 09:33:07 EST (#)
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why the fuck do you still post?
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-02-24 20:20:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by DesolateMisanthrope (user info) at 2007-02-24 19:48:27 EST (#)
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On a side note, it looks like you have hit on almost every topic that I have been skeptical of, or simply laughing at for a while now. Keep it up.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-02-24 15:16:18 EST (#)
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whoopidee-doo. everyone sells out eventually. i made plenty of posts bashing the Iraq war and then i turned around and went there and made a shit-fucking-ton of money off it. of course, what i did out there saved lives and i wouldn't have gone for any other reason, but i most certainly did it for the money, bottom line.
i loved watching channel one for the news and talked during the commercials. if i became more world-aware while my school got a new football field and track, what's so bad about that? advertising rarely compells me to buy something (yes, even subconsciously). i don't really care if it makes the mouth breathers want to consume. the reason we have it so good in this country is because we consume so much, thereby strengthening the economy. by the way, i heard you didn't want to pay taxes. that's pretty fucking foul, man. i gladly paid 40 grand in taxes last year. taxes pay for the things you take for granted every day, even if they also pay for things you don't want to fund. this is a country, not survivor island. if you want life to be like that, move the fuck out.
maybe you should sit back and have some reflection time to try to look at things from new perspectives instead of always giving us this doom-and-gloom shit. not everyone is out to get you and take advantage of you.
Submitted by DesolateMisanthrope (user info) at 2007-02-24 14:22:35 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Upon reading about 10 of your posts, I can make the clear assertion that you are a one naive, pour
your heart out, confiding, fool. It is almost as though you are a sensible, idiot. The first part
of that could be attributed to your unselfish desire to seek out things that will make you better
informed as a person, even if they have no bearing on your day to day life. Most topics you
address should be pondered for hours on end. Others are so benign in nature that I cannot help
but question your cunning. Watching journalists on cable news (watching cable news period), berate
the president for being a Liar (or "tearing apart the constitution") is where you run the risk of
falling into that deep bottomless pit. Would you spend a needless amount of time, questioning an
armed robber for running a red light? During the course of an atrocity there will undoubtedly be
several smaller misconducts. To allocate a tedious chunk of time, on these trivial things, is not
only stupid but foolhardy, because it deflects scrutiny from the greater concept and it is really
demeaning to those (select few) who actually give a shit about the big picture. Also keep in mind,
that Americans, are on a large scale, lazy and selfish. It is real easy to kick back and listen to
the slanted news stations( otherwise known as Zionist Instruments)bringing you their take, on a
bloated flat screen TV. Think about it. Why do I, as a well to do American, give a rats ass about
what is taking place on Jupiter? I don't give a damn because you are imposing on my self ordained
box, and I don't want to come out lest the sunlight bleach my skin. You see, it is conceit, self-
importance, and most importantly of all, it is blatant ignorance. It is easier for a moron to
follow mindlessly as opposed to leading. Oh, and who is this leader? Those at the top, who spew
propagandas nonstop so they can provide an "assistance to lull the person into a false sense of
security. And do not think for a minute that these misbegotten, ignoramuses, are being misled.
They are willing, pretenders who live in a state of deception. In reality, they are deceiving
nobody. And of course that is why someone like you would be an "irritator, or "annoying.
Because deep down their subconscious is well aware. So let me then ask you; Why preach to an
obstinate? Wouldn't you be far better off trying to run a marathon with bare feet? What is the
point, if any?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-15 10:54:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-15 02:10:19 (#)
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Like every step you take in life is being somehow monitored and analyzed for the slightest details and then extrapolated into some kind of database of information that is further used to track and control your thoughts and habits?"""
not to fan the flames, but that looks like a conspiracy theory to me.
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Wow how could I ever get the impression this was a conspiracy theory rant.
"You have to admit that subconscious mind control is a reality. The mechanism has been proven again and again to exist. The possibility is there. Now which is more far-fetched: that the government or corporate entities have the ethical standards NOT to use it to their advantage, or that they will stop at nothing to exploit it in an, as you say, "good-old-fashioned capitalist" manner?"
Hahaha!!!
Really? Then why is it not used to keep societies in line?
I have no figures but I would wager that poorer people are more likely to watch more TV. Poorer people are also a lot more likely to commit crime, litter, and cause problems for society. Why wouldn't the shadowy govt/corporation groups that control our lives through commercials have them obeying the laws and working hard so they can consume more snickers, buy more expensive shoes, and increase the wealth of the jew bankers who control everything? Wait sorry this one wasn't about the evil jew money lenders.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-15 10:38:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-14 21:36:47 (#)
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Again, you fucking pedestrian moron... I don't give a damn what you call it, it's wrong. And it has some of the same players that keep cropping up in everything else morally questionable about this fucked up society.
You're so 'anti-conspiracy' you can't see the forest for the fucking trees. A 'conspiracy' is when two or more parties get together (conspire) to do something that is either immoral, unethical, or illegal to another party without their full knowledge or understanding.
I think we can all agree that CHILDREN fit the bill of a group that does not possess a well developed understanding of what's being done to their minds.
You can -2 me all you like, but I never characterized this as a "conspiracy", YOU did.
You need to grow the fuck up.
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I am getting told I need to grow up by the guy who rants about revolutions, swears he won't pay taxes, fantasizes he will die in a gun battle with the govt and brags about doing so many drugs he has had his eyes open to the mysteries of the world. I will take that to heart.
I said I agree it is wrong, I have said I don't like it, but in the grand scheme of things a few more commercials aren't going to really change anything. However if you kept your argument to simply the students being forced to be a captive audience to commercials you would have a good point.
When you throw in the CFR and the Rockafellers, when you bring up a company donating to republicans you do make it out to be a conspiracy.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-02-15 03:07:53 EST (#)
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It's nothing personal
It's strictly business
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-15 02:10:19 EST (#)
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Like every step you take in life is being somehow monitored and analyzed for the slightest details and then extrapolated into some kind of database of information that is further used to track and control your thoughts and habits?"""
not to fan the flames, but that looks like a conspiracy theory to me.
i could be right.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-14 21:36:47 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-14 12:32:21 (#)
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Your accusations implicating channel one of being propped up as part of some vast conspiracy simply because it is part of a big corporation are just plain stupid.
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Again, you fucking pedestrian moron... I don't give a damn what you call it, it's wrong. And it has some of the same players that keep cropping up in everything else morally questionable about this fucked up society.
You're so 'anti-conspiracy' you can't see the forest for the fucking trees. A 'conspiracy' is when two or more parties get together (conspire) to do something that is either immoral, unethical, or illegal to another party without their full knowledge or understanding.
I think we can all agree that CHILDREN fit the bill of a group that does not possess a well developed understanding of what's being done to their minds.
You can -2 me all you like, but I never characterized this as a "conspiracy", YOU did.
You need to grow the fuck up.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-14 13:44:56 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/98725#2313368
STOP POINTING OUT DETAILS, IT INVALIDATES THE CONSPIRACY!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-14 13:35:26 EST (#)
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Derren brown is awesome.
Check him out on youttube.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2007-02-14 13:27:50 EST (#)
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You kids!!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-14 12:36:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-14 06:12:26 (#)
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I pretty much live my life by this principle. It's borne out of a deep-seeded desire never to have the wool pulled over my eyes again.
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You and your principles.
Weren't your principles behind your decision not to pay taxes, how long did that last?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-02-14 12:32:21 EST (#)
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It started out good.
Channel one is fucked up, I had it in my high school freshman year, then I moved to a less broke ass school district.
I remember in 03 a bunch of lawsuits, but hadn't heard anything since so I thought they were done, but I guess they are still around.
Do I think it goes to far, yes.
Is it part of some vast conspiracy to brainwash kids, no.
"Number of 30-second TV commercials seen in a year by an average child: 20,000"
http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health.html
That is 10,000 minutes of commercials a year.
Channel one has (rounding generously up from here http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/education/channel-one) 4 minutes a day.
At 180 days a year, and 80% of the days and 4 minutes a day that is 576 minutes of advertising.
Is adding 5.76% more commercials to kids daily intake of garbage a good idea, I don't think so. But is it worth the extra AV equipment the schools get so they can spend their money on books, teachers etc? It depends. In general I would say no, and I think people should be mad about schools thinking they needed to turn to shit like this to get equipment, but as a last ditch effort to get more money I could understand it.
Your accusations implicating channel one of being propped up as part of some vast conspiracy simply because it is part of a big corporation are just plain stupid.
Submitted by TheScaryGuy11 (user info) at 2007-02-14 12:10:17 EST (#)
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+2 for effort
-1 because I hated channel one with a passion
-1 because I work in advertising and yes I have no soul
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-14 11:46:57 EST (#)
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It's borne out of a deep-seeded desire never to have the wool pulled over my eyes again"""
^delusional man
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-02-14 09:32:16 EST (#)
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Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:31:50 (#)
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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:25:27 (#)
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Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:41:54 (#)
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I know most people are here are a little dim but I'm still shocked and appalled at the degree they placate and encourage your incoherent nonsensical conspiracy theory ramblings... what the fuck is wrong with all of you?
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You might have a better perception of our faults if you take the plank out of your eye first there, old chap.
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I love Captain Thorns. Homer's a little hypocritical to be calling ANYONE dim.
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I love you too Susie! :D
Submitted by Scott_James (user info) at 2007-02-14 07:18:23 EST (#)
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Interesting.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-14 06:12:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-02-14 04:33:40 (#)
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Don't say ; 'Wow , something happened !' ... Try ' Who made it happen , and what was their goal with that ? ' , and a whole different cast will become visible ...
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I pretty much live my life by this principle. It's borne out of a deep-seeded desire never to have the wool pulled over my eyes again.
Submitted by messmind (user info) at 2007-02-14 04:33:40 EST (#)
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Don't trust what you hear , read , write or even think .
From one of my previous posts : 'The map is not the territory ' , but the
territory can be on the map .'
We have the tendency to build our reality on thruth , while a few good lies can make quite some clarity . Don't say ; 'Wow , something happened !' ... Try ' Who made it happen , and what was their goal with that ? ' , and a whole different cast will become visible ...
Forgot my dentist yesterday . I've got tootache . Poor me ...
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-02-14 04:01:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:59:05 (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:43:52 (#)
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fucking hell spam managed to crawl from beneath his duvet of seath loathing and self abuse to give a semi intelligent review.
what spamuel said.
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Only semi intelligent eh?
I've obviously got a long way to go before I reach such heady academic heights as 'Fag below' and '<ejaculates>'.
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PLUS 2 Spam's comment
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-02-13 23:09:14 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2007-02-13 21:21:54 EST (#)
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if it was so bad, why didn't you just get home-schooled? that would've worked great if your parents had moved off the grid, huh?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-13 20:31:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:57:43 (#)
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I was referring to content, certainly not writing style.
I've mentioned before that whilst I agree with a large portion of your posts, I don't think that you put your points or revelations across in a constructive manor. Your style is overly sensationalist and the aggressive stance you seem to take almost forces the reader to disagree with you regardless of what you're actually saying.
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oh look, im not the only one to say so!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 20:22:59 EST (#)
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Point taken Spam. Thanks for the critique and input from you and Apollo.
You asked what my intentions are with posting this kind of stuff. This is a complex question which begs a complex answer, but simply put, I want to get people thinking about and questioning things they might normally never think twice about, particularly since some of the kids who are in school right now have never known any different and are therefore not likely to question such things as having advertisements pumped at them in their own fucking school.
It's the same sort of questioning that desperately needs to be taken seriously concerning events like 9/11 and this "war on terror" business, but it is not allowed serious facetime in mainstream media. At least not yet.
This lack of journalistic thoroughness at best, or complicit lapdog-itis at worst, is the equivalent of a pedestrian turning his head as a homeless man is beaten up by juveniles.
I admit that my style is not sleek or refined in journalistic terms, but at least with me you're getting (I hope) food for thought and not just a lot of pandering punditry like you would get if you watched the nightly American news, which, by the way, I do not recommend.
Submitted by bicklefragile (user info) at 2007-02-13 19:47:43 EST (#)
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I didnt read any of it. However, I fucking hated channel one in high school. so +1
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-02-13 19:11:39 EST (#)
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quite right old chum quite right.
about the post:
I'm not sure about all your linking in to all the other companies the holding group owns as that is extrapolating too far for me (often times other branches of the same company haven't got a fucking clue what their other offices are doing) however the whole tv and advertising in schools is bonkers.
School should be a sanctuary from financial pressure. I grew up pretty poor and school was the one place where it didn't really matter. I was just another germ to be abused by the teachers for arsing around.
Until lunchtime then I was a cunt again for not having Adidas trainers/sneakers to kick a ball around with.
It still scars me now. My wardrobe/closet is like one of those basketball stars on MTV cribs with a million pairs of trainers in.
The point I am inching exruciatingly towards is thus: Schools shouldnt have this shit.
I thought having to say the lord prayer every morning was bad enough.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:59:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:43:52 (#)
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fucking hell spam managed to crawl from beneath his duvet of seath loathing and self abuse to give a semi intelligent review.
what spamuel said.
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Only semi intelligent eh?
I've obviously got a long way to go before I reach such heady academic heights as 'Fag below' and '<ejaculates>'.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:43:52 EST (#)
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fucking hell spam managed to crawl from beneath his duvet of seath loathing and self abuse to give a semi intelligent review.
what spamuel said.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 18:15:35 EST (#)
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Well, I'm glad I read the rest of your reviews before replying to the first which, yes, did sound awfully condescending. Of COURSE I know that there is something terribly wrong with this fucked up world we live in - you're preaching to the converted, buddy.
But I tend to purposefully avoid discussing politics on this site because I see it as a fairly pointless exercise - You're not going to tame the warmongering Nazi you perceive to nestle at the heart of say, McCallum's beliefs and likewise, he's not going to cure the gibbering lunatic he sees ranting back at him. When it comes to your politics, as I mentioned before, I don't really give a shit.
(McCallum picked at random as first neo-conservativey-type person I could think of - I appreciate that this is snap judgement so save me the tears).
What I was really getting at is your writing style - like I mentioned, it's too 'In-Your-Face', for want of a better cliché. I don't want to be preached at dude, and a lot of the time, you come across as a kind of pompous conspiratorial evangelist, almost floating on a cloud of your own self-righteousness. Sure that may not be what you're trying to do and is possibly far from the truth but that's the impression I (and I'm guessing others) get sometimes.
But your articles interest me and, like anything else that I read, in any situation, I find myself thinking, as always: "why has this been written?"
Everybody has an agenda for everything, basic psychology. So I ask myself, what's yours? My two most probable answers are thus:
1. You are trying to open the eyes of the almost biblically meek masses you perceive to have had the wool pulled over their eyes in the hopes that they may show some resolve through enlightenment and make the wool puller's job somewhat harder.
2. You are trying to convert people to your cause by hitting them with a sledgehammer of truth so that they might actively (at least in some small measure) fight 'the system'.
Now, with this in mind and all politics aside -judging this as a piece of writing and nothing else - the way that your points are put across grates. You are too sensationalist and aggressive for people to read this as factual information and instead they read it as views and ideas. Likewise because you're so passionate and the points you make are somewhat Out There, nobody is going to flock to your cause or even take you seriously because everything you put forward seems to scream 'unhinged'.
I guess this immensely long review could be summed up with two questions born of pure curiosity -
What are you trying to achieve?
And do you really think you are going about things the best way to achieve this?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 17:18:02 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-02-13 16:12:12 (#)
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Okay, I got all excited and gave a +2 for pointing out this shit and then read the rest of your latest descent into madness with my mouth hanging open.
Jesus Christ, there's a difference between a deep-rooted global conspiracy and good-old-fashioned capitalism. And if my kid was actually paying attention to a station while AIDS or the shit going on in the Sudan are being discussed, I wouldn't have a problem with him seeing a fucking Pepsi ad.
What are you gonna do to keep your kid free of corporations and governments - home-school the kid in a windowless cell?
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What madness?
Dude, come off it. I think I've been pretty reasonable in my arguments, and even if you don't believe in any sort of wider trans-corporation, international conspiracy, you must admit that if this is the kind of symptom we can expect from this new global capitalist model, then we are all in trouble.
You have to admit that subconscious mind control is a reality. The mechanism has been proven again and again to exist. The possibility is there. Now which is more far-fetched: that the government or corporate entities have the ethical standards NOT to use it to their advantage, or that they will stop at nothing to exploit it in an, as you say, "good-old-fashioned capitalist" manner?
When you break down what you're saying, it makes absolutely no sense.
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2007-02-13 16:20:15 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:59:03 (#)
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Liberals and whack jobs collectively condemned and shit all over the practice of American children saying the Pledge of Allegience in class in the morning... but THIS is acceptable?
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I pledge allegiance to People Mag
And the united Banks of America
And Banana Republic and Frogurt stands
Hot Topic, Mountain Dew, and also the Gap
With Pepsi and Pizza Hut for all.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-02-13 16:12:12 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Okay, I got all excited and gave a +2 for pointing out this shit and then read the rest of your latest descent into madness with my mouth hanging open.
Jesus Christ, there's a difference between a deep-rooted global conspiracy and good-old-fashioned capitalism. And if my kid was actually paying attention to a station while AIDS or the shit going on in the Sudan are being discussed, I wouldn't have a problem with him seeing a fucking Pepsi ad.
What are you gonna do to keep your kid free of corporations and governments - home-school the kid in a windowless cell?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 16:10:18 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:59:03 (#)
Ranking: 2
Waitaminnit waitaminnit waitaminnit!
Liberals and whack jobs collectively condemned and shit all over the practice of American children saying the Pledge of Allegience in class in the morning... but THIS is acceptable?
Liberal Brainwashing: And the Beat Goes On...
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What are you talking about? How does this relate to the post in any way?
When I was in high school I refused to say the pledge of allegiance in class, personally, without any outside provocation. I hadn't read about other people doing it, I didn't do it because it mentioned God, I didn't do it because of some 'liberal brainwashing'. I did it because I did not feel allied with anything let alone my government, therefore would not pledge my allegiance to a government I didn't agree with.
That does not mean I don't still love my country. Quite the contrary. I think this once was and still COULD BE the greatest country on the face of the earth. But not in the direction we're going.
Now, please explain why I'm wrong.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:59:03 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Waitaminnit waitaminnit waitaminnit!
Liberals and whack jobs collectively condemned and shit all over the practice of American children saying the Pledge of Allegience in class in the morning... but THIS is acceptable?
Liberal Brainwashing: And the Beat Goes On...
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:55:21 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:41:55 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Ok, Spam, I read your review again and I know what you're saying. But you act as if I am some kind of corporation unto myself with this agenda that consist of duping people into believing wild conspiracy theories in an unproductive way. You even go so far as to try and give me advise on how to more productively sway people to my side of the argument.
But I am NOT a corporation. I am one man.
I do not have an agenda that comes from anywhere but inside myself. Of course it's influenced by the things I've read and seen and my understanding of historical context, etc. If I come off as angry and sensationalist, it's because I AM angry and I AM insensed at the state of the world.
I read a lot of Alex Jones and admit freely that my ideas have been influenced by his. There is a reason for that though. His ideas tend to confirm my preexisting suspicions that something is definitely wrong with the bigg picture. They tend to back up my own observations about the world more than they challenge them. I can't say the same for, say, Fox News. To me, they are obviously misleading people because nearly NOTHING they say jives with what I've actually OBSERVED in the real world. They're relying on a lack of information to operate and, in fact, are there to create a Pavlovian RESISTENCE to any new information that will require a fundamental breakdown of philosophy.
You're judging my post like you would judge something written in the London Times and it's not the same.
There are always going to be two different kind of sensationalist-sounding argument. They will probably be nearly indistinguishable from one another except by a trust in the speaker.
If I say something in an angry or sensationalist tone you can see it one of two ways...
1) I am really and truly angry about the situation, in which case if you believe that, you can surely excuse me in some measure because you understand the reasons why I'm angry. The very nature of the things I talk about in many of my posts are things that DESERVE an outraged, outspoken response, if I'm right, wouldn't you agree?
2) I am being sensationalist for a hidden agenda. Since I have nothing immediate to sell, one might say I am on some kind of corporate or CIA-funded mission to sway people from the truth using these sensationalist tactics. However, if my sensationalist style really sprang from this, I am doing a piss-poor job convincing people according to you, because my posts give people this instant Pavlovian rejection response. So, if you're taking my sensationalism to mean I possess a hidden agenda, then my agenda must be to turn you OFF to even entertaining the kinds of ideas I put across. In that case, mission accomplished.
Look, man... The London Times tries to be fair because they know it increases their readership over the largest audience possible. They tone down their editorials - just like any other commercial newspaper who follows the accepted journalistic model - because it maximizes profits! I have no interest in 'toning down' because that's not who I am and because I think these subjects are prety goddamned indicative of the insanity of the fucking world right now.
Can you not see the distinction?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:38:22 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:20:25 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:01:37 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-02-13 06:39:44 (#)
Ranking: 2
Goddamn your country is a joke........why are you still there Brad?
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Because I'm not a university graduate and immigrants to Great Britain are required to be "professionally skilled". The only professional skill I have is music and that's not gonna open any doors for me unless I'm living off my royalties from another country already like Madonna.
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I'm pretty sure we let any mother fucker into Britain these days; as long as you promise to bring your whole family, as extended as possible, with you to scrounge off us for the rest of your lives.
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My own home town is so awash with EU immigrants that they print an edition of the local paper entirely in polish now, but getting a yank over there with permission to work for more than a six month stay is akin to the 12 tasks of Asterix, even if they're married to a british citizen. When you factor in the exchange rate that would essentially cut all our money in half as soon as we got there, the ridiculous cost of housing and the fact that I'll lose my green card if I live outside the US for more than a year - it's really not worth it.
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:31:50 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:25:27 (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:41:54 (#)
Ranking: -2
I know most people are here are a little dim but I'm still shocked and appalled at the degree they placate and encourage your incoherent nonsensical conspiracy theory ramblings... what the fuck is wrong with all of you?
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You might have a better perception of our faults if you take the plank out of your eye first there, old chap.
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I love Captain Thorns. Homer's a little hypocritical to be calling ANYONE dim.
Submitted by Susie_Derkins (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:25:56 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
They'll put advertisements on anything now. You can't even go into a toilet stall without being sold something. The ones that make me most angry are the "mobile advertisements", the billboards on the back of flatbed trucks that drive around the streets of Toronto. They don't deliver anything, they don't do anything other than advertise a product.
So in the summer, when it's 100 degrees out with the humidex, the air feels like dense liquid and you can't see the top of the skyscrapers for the smog, you wonder what this is about. Who thought this was a good idea?
Everyone is all up in arms about the cost of fuel, traffic and global warming, but advertisers are allowed to have these diesel trucks roam aimlessly around the already congested downtown core just to shill their shitty energy drinks? Makes you shake your head.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:25:27 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:41:54 (#)
Ranking: -2
I know most people are here are a little dim but I'm still shocked and appalled at the degree they placate and encourage your incoherent nonsensical conspiracy theory ramblings... what the fuck is wrong with all of you?
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You might have a better perception of our faults if you take the plank out of your eye first there, old chap.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:16:18 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Spam, please understand, I'm not being in any way condescending in my previous review. I'm just trying to get on a common plateau with you and the easiest place to start is with simple concepts we can agree on.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:14:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:57:43 (#)
Ranking: 1
I was referring to content, certainly not writing style.
I've mentioned before that whilst I agree with a large portion of your posts, I don't think that you put your points or revelations across in a constructive manor. Your style is overly sensationalist and the aggressive stance you seem to take almost forces the reader to disagree with you regardless of what you're actually saying.
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I don't understand. What is it you're disagreeing with? You think we shoud have advertisements in schools?
Think about this, Spam, and this is going to require you to open your mind a little bit...
What if the writer is not the problem? What if it's the READER who is malfunctioning? Think about it. What happens when we watch the news anymore? We end up yelling "bullshit" aloud at the TV. It doesn't matter what our politics, we can all find a program that generates the desired "BULLSHIT" response.
What if it were DESIGNED that way? Think about it in those terms for a second. Assume for a moment that someone is DESIGNING the programs we watch to train us like Pavlov's Dog to feel a certain response when we encounter certain subjects regardless of the manner in which they are presented?
Can you at least see how that is possible? How the human mind can be manipulated on a massive scale without its knowledge? Watch some of the Darren Brown videos at the bottom of the page again and ask yourself if world leaders - and that includes those who run the media, naturally - just might be trixie enough to try it.
Now look at your world again and realize that every initial response you have to ANYTHING is a product of this Pavlovian conditioning.
Pretty fucked up, huh?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 15:06:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:13:28 (#)
Ranking: -2
Blah blah blah blah... Seems to me, your state can't manage its money and sold out.
Parents who would not know what is going on in the school seems like more trouble than this stupid Channel One stuff...
If there is some big conspiracy about peddling Snickers bars, you should also include gay rights groups influences, socialist thought, and other garbage being forced fed to the children in the public education system.
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Listen to me for one second...
You're confusing 'socialist thought' with 'globalist thought'. There is a difference. Socialism still presumes some national boundary whereas the globalism being pumped into our school systems wants to tear those down in favor of world governing bodies like the United Nations.
And make no mistake, the politics of the United Nations is a thoroughly CAPITALIST one. It's so capitalist, in fact, it's exploitative.
Leave the inaccurate preconceptions about "left vs. right" aside for a second and you'll see it clearly. You have the right suspicions and you're barking up the right tree, but you're mischaracterising the situation with antequated terminology.
What do you think? Could I possibly be right on some level? Think about it and get back to me.
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:57:43 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
I was referring to content, certainly not writing style.
I've mentioned before that whilst I agree with a large portion of your posts, I don't think that you put your points or revelations across in a constructive manor. Your style is overly sensationalist and the aggressive stance you seem to take almost forces the reader to disagree with you regardless of what you're actually saying.
Whilst certainly biased, Klien gives information out in a passive and informative way, and whilst this may at times seem a little dry and hence dull, it is at least better than "This is what's happening behind closed doors! THE WOOL HAS BEEN PULLED OVER YOUR EYES!! EVRYTHING LAID OUT HERE IS GOSPEL AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE MEDIA"
you are in essence, the conspirasist's version of Fox News.
I may however, be pushing things by hoping you'll reign in your knee-jerk over defensiveness and take some constructive criticism on the chin.
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Actually, that reads back far harsher than it's supposed to sound but you're smart enough to work out what I mean.
besides, if you DO take offense, I don't really give a shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:55:09 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Some of you who scoff at the acid thing obviously don't understand the whole "break on thru" thing.
I feel sorry for those people who don't understand how to fully understand that reality is PLIABLE, not STATIC.
I've seen heaven and hell come alive inside a hotel room. I've seen walls melt...yes, MELT away into a boiling blob of colors. I've stood on my own two feet and seen them disappear before my very eyes.
We can go round and round philosophically all day about the nature of this subjective reality that I've seen first hand and know the human mind to be capable of descending (or ascending) to, but the objective, empirical world is even LESS real than the one inside my head. In fact, it doesn't even EXIST without it. It only ever exists if more than one person agrees it exists and it's only by a healthy measure of faith that we accept even the true existence of other people.
When all preconceptions are torn away, the human mind can be a fascinating and scary place to live. It's no wonder people are resistant to such radical forms of open-mindedness, choosing instead to see their world as a static and mundane place with no mystery or miracle.
It's amazing how the powers of the world have chaged. Where once these 'miracles' were used to awe the masses into submission, now they are thorougly rejected as insanity and a whole new form of control has sprung up in the wake of this movement toward ultra-reason.
It has created a cynical, 'fuck it' mentality in people everywhere. If their gods no longer exist, and there's no culture they can carry over from their ancestors that is 'acceptible' within this new worldview, then they will be open to anything and everything that seeks to replace it, including consumerism as a way of life.
It's the sense of familiarity in the grocery store.
First time I went to Britain, the scariest place I went was the grocery store. They didn't have any of the comforting products I was used to. NONE! It was like being inside a surreal dream.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:35:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:53:10 (#)
Ranking: 1
We watched that program in middle school. In high school everyone realized it was crap and just let it play in the background while we did other stuff.
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Check out some of the videos in th early reviews of this post for an account of how 'background' is never the 'background'.
If everyone realized it was crap, it would have been turned off.
I'd be surprised if we all didn't have some CIA programming pumped into our fucking heads and when the president someday announces the trigger word on live primetime, we all turn into mindless foot soldiers like something out of Pink and the Brain...or The Naked Gun even.
That's really not a joke. I've seen too many fucked up things the human mind is capable of and know of too many ways the CIA and KGB exploited or sought to exploit them in the Cold War to rule this out as some kind of sinister possibility.
It's usually the off-the-wall things we joke about that turn out to be the truth. And truth is stranger than fiction.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:28:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-02-13 08:05:40 (#)
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Company sponsored schools ala Jennifer Government probably not far off then
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Hey, they sponsor everything else.
Watching the Grammys the other night, I think it was Tony Bennett who thanked Target Superstore in his acceptance speech.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:26:44 EST (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:02:20 (#)
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No, this was just in your redneck backwards hick school in Indiana or wherever the fuck you went to school. Why don't you and the wife move the fuck out of that state?
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Yea...and move to Times Square. That'll solve everything. Plus, I won't have to live in a state with Hillary Clinton is a representative either...so, you know, that's a plus.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:23:13 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:52:49 (#)
Ranking: 2
The title made me laugh out loud. I didn't bother to read the post because it's probably your boilerplate "the man is out to get me" gibberish.
However...
I remember in high school, when Channel One came to be. They put free TV's in all of our classrooms, with the stipulation that they would be be allowed to air channel one's "Kid's News" and assorted advertisements during our homeroom period. Being a small, private, religious school that wasn't funded by taxes, we were glad to have anything for next to nothing.
Nuns have no concept of electronics and gagetry. I picked up a universal remote at the local Radio Shack, and sat for a few days entering codes into it until I got the one right for the new TVs. From that point on, the TV's kept randomly turning on and off during class, or so it seemed.
Within a week's time, every TV in my classrooms was unplugged. Bear in mind, this was back around 1991-1992, so the teachers weren't as familiar with the technology as they would be today.
Thinking back, I was a li'l bastard.
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HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
GENIUS! +2 for you
Submitted by firefly (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:21:59 EST (#)
Ranking: 1
my school never had channel one.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-02-13 14:13:28 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Blah blah blah blah... Seems to me, your state can't manage its money and sold out.
Parents who would not know what is going on in the school seems like more trouble than this stupid Channel One stuff...
If there is some big conspiracy about peddling Snickers bars, you should also include gay rights groups influences, socialist thought, and other garbage being forced fed to the children in the public education system.
And what is your answer, Mr. Linzy? You have none. So shut the fuck up already.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:59:05 EST (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:41:54 (#)
Ranking: -2
I know most people are here are a little dim but I'm still shocked and appalled at the degree they placate and encourage your incoherent nonsensical conspiracy theory ramblings... what the fuck is wrong with all of you?
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Heya, sweet-tits. Generally, I only encourage ETS because it seems to make his ramblings more off-the-wall nutty. This, however, was actually fairly reasonable (okay, minus the NWO references and emotional overtones -- it was reasonable for ETS), and I can personally vouch for some of the facts. What particularly do you have a problem with?
Submitted by homer42 (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:41:54 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
I know most people are here are a little dim but I'm still shocked and appalled at the degree they placate and encourage your incoherent nonsensical conspiracy theory ramblings... what the fuck is wrong with all of you?
Submitted by SkullBiter (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:15:19 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
Janus.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-13 13:02:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:28:55 (#)
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Anyone who has ever had the kinds of acid trips I've had know full well what it's like to see with complete and utter transparency how we are manipulated in every facet of our lives in subtle, subconscious ways.
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i've had plenty of acid trips and this enlightening feeling is well...a feeling.
people who do too much acid don't end up in asylums because they are intelligent.
get a grip man. jesus...
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-02-13 12:36:47 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-02-13 12:21:21 EST (#)
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1. I can vouch for most of what you say. Back in the 90's, our high school was one of the most overfunded in the state. Even so, to cut costs, they had TV's flashing advertisements during all breaks, paid for by a local advertising company. At the start of every year, agents of the same company would go around handing out 'care' packages including trial packs of the latest shampoos and zit creams, and the high school took a kickback. It was one of the only stories the administration wouldn't let the student paper run. While nothing was outright illegal it was, as you say, a gross breach of ethics.
2. WTF? Dude, that was a REASONABLE argument based on FACT with a HEALTHY amount of JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY. No death threats... no zany connections to 9/11... what did you do to the ETS we all know and love??
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-02-13 11:40:15 EST (#)
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"Do you ever feel like you're a target? Like someone is out to get you?"
No, only wackjobs like yourself feel that way.
Submitted by hairycoo (user info) at 2007-02-13 10:26:00 EST (#)
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'no logo' is a good read
Submitted by odin (user info) at 2007-02-13 10:05:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2007-02-13 09:11:17 EST (#)
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Yeah, I remember that stupid program. I can't say I blame the schools for it, though. My school was underfunded had pretty shitty equipment, so I bet the offer must have sounded like a godsend.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2007-02-13 08:05:40 EST (#)
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Company sponsored schools ala Jennifer Government probably not far off then
Submitted by Maltese (user info) at 2007-02-13 08:01:05 EST (#)
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We had tons of companies at our school... I snapped once during an assembly with a milk company and said they were corporate propagandaists... I got suspended for a week.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:56:02 EST (#)
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hardly revolutionary. did you just read Fast Food Nation or something?
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:53:10 EST (#)
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We watched that program in middle school. In high school everyone realized it was crap and just let it play in the background while we did other stuff.
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:52:49 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
The title made me laugh out loud. I didn't bother to read the post because it's probably your boilerplate "the man is out to get me" gibberish.
However...
I remember in high school, when Channel One came to be. They put free TV's in all of our classrooms, with the stipulation that they would be be allowed to air channel one's "Kid's News" and assorted advertisements during our homeroom period. Being a small, private, religious school that wasn't funded by taxes, we were glad to have anything for next to nothing.
Nuns have no concept of electronics and gagetry. I picked up a universal remote at the local Radio Shack, and sat for a few days entering codes into it until I got the one right for the new TVs. From that point on, the TV's kept randomly turning on and off during class, or so it seemed.
Within a week's time, every TV in my classrooms was unplugged. Bear in mind, this was back around 1991-1992, so the teachers weren't as familiar with the technology as they would be today.
Thinking back, I was a li'l bastard.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:36:48 EST (#)
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Hands up anyone who thinks that THROUGH THE AGES we haven't tried to influenced children before they start to adopt their own ideas?
Those with their hands in the air... you are all immensly stupid, please kil yourself for the better good of the huiman race.
Brad, this is not new and it isn't news.
And if you ever refer to me again as 'my foreign readers' again you egotistical fuck, I will unplug that computer of yours, then how will you save the human race?
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:27:06 EST (#)
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This whole situation is testiment to how sick and fucked up the Western capitalist system is! When you run a society on a basis of he who has more is better, then fill that society with companies competing to trick the public into giving them their money, all you're going to end up with are huge corporations with fingers in every pie going trying to push their brand names into childrens heads!
I work in marketing myself however I refuse to work in direct to public marketing and only deal in business to business. I do my job with ethical marketing values running alongside. This is because I get no benifit from actually making sales, increasing profit, or boosting turnover. I just come in and try to do my job without annoying, endangering, or taking advantage of anyone.
You're more than happy to winge on about corporations and marketing, but I bet you'd never call yourself a commie! Remember, communism only ever failed when it was executed incorrectly or by unstable leaders forged from unstable situations. In todays online world neo-communism WILL work, giving everyone a chance to have they're say and everyone the same chance as everyone else! Communism is not a last resort for a failing society. If used in this way it's bound to fail. We need to introduce communism into a stable society as an improvement rather than an emergency measure.
The only real part of communism needed is the nationalisation of the big corporations. We need to rid the world of the opportunity for big corporations to suck the public and the society dry of funds and feed them into the pockets of it's selected few executives. This does nothing but increase the gap between the rich and the poor. We need this to stop before marketing can be used in an ethical way.
Submitted by DrogoRoch (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:20:25 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:01:37 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-02-13 06:39:44 (#)
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Goddamn your country is a joke........why are you still there Brad?
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Because I'm not a university graduate and immigrants to Great Britain are required to be "professionally skilled". The only professional skill I have is music and that's not gonna open any doors for me unless I'm living off my royalties from another country already like Madonna.
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I'm pretty sure we let any mother fucker into Britain these days; as long as you promise to bring your whole family, as extended as possible, with you to scrounge off us for the rest of your lives.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:04:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:28:55 (#)
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Anyone who has ever had the kinds of acid trips I've had know full well what it's like to see with complete and utter transparency how we are manipulated in every facet of our lives in subtle, subconscious ways.
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Oh Jesus Christ
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:02:20 EST (#)
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No, this was just in your redneck backwards hick school in Indiana or wherever the fuck you went to school. Why don't you and the wife move the fuck out of that state?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 07:01:37 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-02-13 06:39:44 (#)
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Goddamn your country is a joke........why are you still there Brad?
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Because I'm not a university graduate and immigrants to Great Britain are required to be "professionally skilled". The only professional skill I have is music and that's not gonna open any doors for me unless I'm living off my royalties from another country already like Madonna.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-02-13 06:50:18 EST (#)
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no sense.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-02-13 06:39:44 EST (#)
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Goddamn your country is a joke........why are you still there Brad? If where I lived made me as sick as the usa obviously makes you I'd move.....
Don't think you're convincing anyone about the 'new world order' though....that's just big business......alright....fucking ginormous business......advertising in schools.....bloody hell....
Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2007-02-13 05:32:40 EST (#)
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Dude I want to meet the horse that hauled off and booted you in the noggin.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 05:28:14 EST (#)
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Here is a post of mine I dug up from over a year ago on a similar topic, Mind Control: http://www.ubersite.com/m/81676
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:32:33 EST (#)
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Here's the Wikipedia synopsis of Cypher for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypher_(film)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:30:53 EST (#)
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I figured it out...
The movie is was thinking of before is called Cypher.
I highly recommend it for anyone interested in the how the mind operates.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:24:06 EST (#)
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Are you judging the writing style or the content, Spam? Both, perhaps?
I have a quick question for anyone and everyone...why are we always so keen to relate any new information to something that's already familiar to us?
I have a theory on that. It's a theory that is in no way revolutionary; it has been hinted at for ages, yet none of us seem to have the ability to internalize and apply it to our lives in any consistent manner.
Guess what it is.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:21:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by orph (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:04:41 (#)
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It is Derren Brown - I liked the other one he did with the group of people, and he got them to steal things from a local convenince store.
Then he set them up with images etc, boosting their confidence and stuf, then set them up, suggestively, to seize the moment.
He then, when they thought they were going to meet him, set up an armoured car guy with a few bags of money, had the same music he was pumping them up with before, and 2 out of the 3 people actually robbed this guy with the fake guns they had been given to bring to their next session - very good stuff and shows just how impressionable people can be.
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hokey crap that sounds awesome.. if anyone finds that on youtube let me know pleases
Submitted by Spam (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:14:15 EST (#)
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reads like No Logo.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:11:25 EST (#)
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Here's one with children: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbxV8vtm85s&mode=related&search=
Fitting in the context of this post.
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:04:41 EST (#)
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It is Derren Brown - I liked the other one he did with the group of people, and he got them to steal things from a local convenince store.
Then he set them up with images etc, boosting their confidence and stuf, then set them up, suggestively, to seize the moment.
He then, when they thought they were going to meet him, set up an armoured car guy with a few bags of money, had the same music he was pumping them up with before, and 2 out of the 3 people actually robbed this guy with the fake guns they had been given to bring to their next session - very good stuff and shows just how impressionable people can be.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:04:33 EST (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRAcajFte0&mode=related&search=
Does anyone know the name of that movie where the guy thinks he is a salesman traveling to all these conventions, but people come into the convention centers while they are asleep brainwashing them?
This skit is like that.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-02-13 04:00:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:22:15 (#)
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Derrin Brown?
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I thought derren brown,at first I thought it was some shit uk hypnotist but I am am fucking impressed
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:58:43 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:56:48 EST (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr1iq9UBBVE&mode=related&search=
Undertaker Trick
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:53:06 EST (#)
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It's derren brown.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:51:19 EST (#)
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More Darren Brown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwthqRJ1Khg
He manipulates a random guy in the street to give him his watch and cell phone.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:41:48 EST (#)
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Here you go, Locksly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:31:53 EST (#)
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That's big of you, Caul.
It's experiences like having to watch TV in our schools that makes many of us American 'conspiracy nuts' so...what's the word...paranoid.
There's much more to the things I say than you give me credit for sometimes, but we don't share the same life experience.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:28:55 EST (#)
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I don't think I'm tooting my horn when I say I'm fairly aware how to be wary, Locksly. ;)
Anyone who has ever had the kinds of acid trips I've had know full well what it's like to see with complete and utter transparency how we are manipulated in every facet of our lives in subtle, subconscious ways.
We are like sleepwalkers through life. Then one day something happens that makes us never see it the same way again...if we're lucky.
There is more to this reality we are a part of than we can ever realize while in human form, if you know what I mean.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:22:15 EST (#)
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Derrin Brown?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:22:12 EST (#)
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i have no idea what you're talking about so for once, i'll give you the befenit of the doubt that this makes sense, with the exception perhaps of the first paranoid paragraph.
Submitted by locksly (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:13:20 EST (#)
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ETS, there is an awesome UK show by a guy who does mind control tricks...
In the episode my friend sent me, he hired two famous ad agency execs to create an entire marketing campaign for him.
On their way to the meeting he organised the cab to pick them up and drove the guys through certain neighbourhoods and streets where he had already placed posters of specific images at intersections etc. he even had school children walk in front of the cab with a logo on their shirt etc.
Then the execs were given the brief and had 1 hour to sketch the campaign, after an hour they had copied almost perfectly the logos and images they had been surrounded by in the cab!
It was fucking awesome...
I'll try to remember the name, he was awesome... mind control techniques that he claims are used every day by many people, and he shows you how to be wary.
Submitted by BadSamaritan87 (user info) at 2007-02-13 03:12:37 EST (#)
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You're still a nut, but I hated that fucking program.